Oddly enough, I am not at all surprised that Garrison Keillor has been fired for sexual improprieties.
The question now is who will be the last man standing in the entertainment business. I’m betting on Peewee Herman.
Pharyngula
Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal
Apparently, he was incorrect when he claimed things were quiet this week at Lake Woebegone
Peewee Herman’s a reasonable bet. At least he was only caught sexing himself in a porn theater. No harm to anyone there (assuming the actors in the film are all of age and reasonably happy at their job).
Keillor:
A “code of public deadliness”? Really. So men are expected to keep their hands to themselves, and it’s public deadliness. Is this going to become the new witch hunt?
This is a fact based on experience, & not meant to insult anyone. Especially if you aren’t as described below:
Most men are dogs.
I was in the military for nearly 10yrs and was apparently at my sexiest in baggy camo fatigues. I’d venture to say if it weren’t for the gays in the USAF, I would have perceived even more men as dogs. Sometimes you’d think you were friends with someone (apparently happily married) and they’d come on to you despite having behaved as a normal human for months. Disappointing to say the least.
No I’m not defending Keillor, still questioning why Keillor first ahead of Moore.
I don’t understand this. I truly do not. People, smart people, beautiful people, all sorts of people, all people really, will happily boink the bejeezus outta you if you just ask them to in a respectful and pleasant manner. Oh, wait … what’s that? It’s not about a mutually respectful consensual relationship? It’s all about violence and power and hurting and degrading the other person? Oh. Oh, okay. That’s totally different. I guess I do understand it then, you sick fucks!
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)), because it is up to the electorate to fire Moore. Not a communications company.
There’s got to be a long-term story behind that.
Everyone’s goin’ down except Trump and Senate wannabe Roy Moore. At least fifteen women have voiced allegations against Trump, but I guessed he grabbed their pussies so well that their outrage is being overwhelmed by their continuing afterglow.
This is extremely gross and I really hope I don’t have to explain why.
#4: sherylyoung said:
This is a fact based on experience, & not meant to insult anyone. Especially if you aren’t as described below:
Most men are dogs.
I am deeply insulted. Please do not compare these men to dogs; dogs have done nothing to deserve that.
What a shame. I tuned into the show in the early 70’s, and have loved it since. It was gentle, kind, funny, musical, and at times quite beautiful. Rare on any channel.
Now not only is GK “tainted”, but the “taint” extends to the show’s reruns and the title of the continuing show. I can understand MPR’s desire to keep a squeaky clean image, but this is beyond what would be needed in a climate political conservatives didn’t dominate.
Good on GK for not fighting this, but I’d think the next step would be for him to make amends.
@sherylyoung
“Most men are dogs.”
Externally. And probably a lot more are dogs internally. I know I’ve felt lots of internal desires, but have never acted on them to commit inappropriate behavior. I can’t imagine other men not having such desires.
This might seem like it’s growing like a wildfire, but the numbers are still very tiny. It seems to some like traumatic change but I’m happy to think about the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of men who are living in fear now. And changing how they will act in the future.
It will change our society if this keeps up, in the best way it could.
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Have you read what he said happened?
@Ronald Couch #15
You mean where he admitted to putting his hand 6 inches up a woman’s shirt?
“Sexual improprieties” is such a weaselly wording, bypassing the consent angle that made his behavior such a problem. If it was just consensual sexuality, it wouldn’t be a problem.
From the link:
If anyone had any doubts that Keilor deserved (at least) dismissal, that statement should resolve them.
Ronald Couch@15, kupo@16,
And note that this was “in one case”, and that, as so many other harassers/abusers have, he cites the (alleged) acceptance of his apology in self-justification. “We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called”, apparently. Notice the implication that this woman has behaved treacherously.
I should perhaps note that on the few occasions I have heard or read anything by him, I have found Keillor mind-numbingly tedious, but people I respect like his stuff, so I’ve clearly been missing something.
Pee-wee Herman? Get a grip on yourself!
Hmm, this from Keillor
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Hackneyed little shit to the very end.
Thanks, chigau.
@snuffcurry
Let the Two Minutes Hate begin again. Doesn’t have to be murder: even inappropriate touching taints everything and anything he ever has or will do in the eyes of some people, transforms him into Goldstein.
Does Pharyngula really benefit from Two Minutes Hate?
mikehuben – Keillor has a pretty long history of being an outright jerk, much of which has been chronicled on this very blog. He’s not being newly tainted here, except in the range and scope of his negative actions. And believe it or not, some people never thought he was all that great in general.
I’m sorry everyone, but could you please express your abject disgust at the way women are treated by powerful men a little more politely, softly, discretely? This goes doubly so if you are a woman who has herself been treated poorly by powerful men. See, @mikehuben is feeling a tad uncomfortable and as we all know, what’s really important here is moderating our anger to accommodate the biggest jackass in the room, lest he steamroll everyone and try to force us to focus on his needs.
Things mikehuben has decided the little ladies shouldn’t get so angry about:
Sexual assault
Harassment
Murder
Be like mike! Be logical, by which he definitely does not mean to let him dominate the conversation in an attempt to maintain control of the status quo, nor does he mean to prioritize his own discomfort over women’s safety, nor does he mean to police your emotions over things which have happened to you, nay. Or, well, he does, but that’s his right because LOGIC.
Shut the fuck up, mike.
@Onamission5
Now, now. @mikehuben is as feminist as anyone and loves and respects all women.
But please try and consider the men’s feelings first. That’s what’s most important, here.
Onamission5, #23
I’m a little uncomfortable about you calling it that since that’s a moral judgement and you know there’s no right or wrong we’re all made of libertarian star stuff without god ten commandments must go.
@Saad: My apologies. What I meant was “good man whose podcasts someone enjoyed who made one mistake in his whole life just like Al Franken, by which no one should judge him, or else they’re stupid, illogical, and just as bad as fictional totalitarian governments.”
@ mikehuben, #21
Well, at least you finally got the number of minutes right. Now, if only you could figure what’s wrong in essentially everything else you’ve said here over the past couple of days…
These guys, as a group, were taking advantage of the “perks” of being high on the social food chain. Even though it was unethical, it was accepted that they could use the bodies of people of lesser social value at their whim. They knew it was wrong, but didn’t think twice about it, because it was generally acceptable. It’s so widely established as expected that the “blooper” credit scenes in Toy Story 2 (a Disney kid’s movie) included one of the “co-star toys” blatantly sexually harassing “extras toy” barbies. He was written making obvious innuendos about their bodies and inviting them back to his trailer for an “interview”. It’s such a “done thing” that whole group of people wrote and animated a scene of sexual harassment as throw away joke.
Where on the cusp of this abuse no longer being the acceptable cost of doing business as a woman or attractive teen of any gender. Many of these men are going to feel unfairly put upon that they are being held to task for something that was acceptable at the time they did it. While they have a point, it’s not a very good one. I’m not advocating absolving them, but we shouldn’t be surprised when we find out our favorites are actually creeps when given enough leeway.