Rick Warren, finally


By now you’ve all heard about the heinous Ugandan bill that would lead to the imprisonment of homosexuals and the execution of any with AIDS, and you’ve probably also heard that it was promoted by American right-wingers. There’s a curious phenomenon going on right now: people are trying to stir up some principled opposition to the bill, and the religious right is dragging their heels. It’s strange because once they’ve been cornered, wrestled to the ground, and forced to face a camera, they all quickly repudiate the bill — unless you’re Fred Phelps, it’s pretty much impossible to support it, it is so barbaric — but you can also tell they aren’t happy about having to make a public denial. Weasely ol’ Rick Warren has finally spoken out against it, but as archy analyzes Warren’s statement, it’s not very impressive:

By my count, about twenty percent of his message is a direct condemnation or call to opposition to the bill. About thirty percent of the message is self-promotion or promotion of his groups. The other half of the message is his greeting to the pastors and a Christmas message. The latter part should have been sent as a separate message an waters down the most important part of his message, but that’s quibble on my part.

This stuff isn’t hard. When someone announces that they want a legalized hunting season on gay people, you reject it, plainly, clearly, and loudly. It’s revealing when it takes you this much time to decide it’s a bad idea.

Comments

  1. NewEnglandBob says

    If Rick Warren was an honest person he wouldn’t be a preacher. Proselytizing is made for hucksters.

  2. MadScientist says

    I would never have guessed about the involvement of the american right-wing because as far as I can tell, the legislation is 100% in accord with the teachings of the Roman catholic church. (With the exception of the executions which the church will deny is good catholic behavior.)

  3. Sastra says

    I loved Bob Price’s take-down of Warren, The Reason-Driven Life. After all the stuff and nonsense and high-flown rhetoric, God’s purpose for your life turns out to be that He wants you to volunteer in a church. Such as, a big mega-church. Such as, a big mega-church in desperate need of volunteers run by somebody like, oh, I don’t know … Rick Warren?

  4. Zeno says

    There’s nothing like a combination of religion and sexual orientation to make people insane. I keep hoping for a more rational society, but that hope often seems vain.

    It was back in the eighties that my father was diagnosed (mistakenly, as it turned out) with inoperable lung cancer and given only a few months to live (instead, he’s still with us today, soaking up Fox News lies and driving me crazy). Everyone rallied around at the tragic news to pay their respects and commiserate. Food was brought. One of my cousins brought an excellent homemade lasagna. Dad wouldn’t eat any of it because it was cooked by a gay man. A man under sentence of death was afraid to eat a meal prepared by a gay nephew. It stands in my mind as a stark reminder that irrationality is a powerful force.

    Rick Warren would probably have enjoyed my cousin’s lasagna, but been sorry that he was doomed to go to hell. That’s “enlightenment” for you. I guess it’s (marginally) progress.

  5. Rox says

    I read that the death penalty and life imprisonment have been removed from the bill (from Bloomberg). But they are still pushing for a bill that is designed to punish homosexuals.

    I’m sure that Rick Warren will be more than happy to take the credit for this.

  6. Cuttlefish, OM says

    I’d run and run… except, you see,
    I’d fall, and likely skin my knee.
    I must protest depravity
    That goes along with gravity!
    The good lord wants to change my habits,
    (Cos otherwise, I’d fuck like rabbits)
    What else could find a cause so foreign
    It needs an advocate called….Warren?

  7. says

    Apparently Rachel Maddow did a nice in depth analysis of Warren’s statement. Unfortunately, I don’t have a TV and tonight’s show isn’t online yet (the clips usually go online before midnight). I’m looking forward to watching that! :-)

  8. aratina cage says

    This condemnation of the neo-Inquisition by Rick Warren won’t stop him from advocating subhuman status for gays. H8 is his business.

  9. Shawn Wilkinson says

    Off-topic, but has anyone seen Kent Hovind’s thesis? It’s been released via wikileaks. I think it’s legit, since it includes the cut-out figure of the electromagnetic spectrum discussed by the only other one to review the “doctoral” thesis.

    It’s so bad! My eyeballs bled around page 5 or 6.

  10. Shawn Wilkinson says

    #13, #14 – Note your time stamps, and noted.

    On topic, is anyone else really that surprised about this? I mean, you’re talking about individuals who do not accept the lifestyle/culture/ of a specific social group. They may *say* they are against executions of HIV positive people, but deep down they still disapprove of the “lifestyle” and so feel no real remorse for the consequences of their hell and brimstone words.

  11. llewelly says

    Zeno Author Profile Page | December 10, 2009 10:38 PM:

    One of my cousins brought an excellent homemade lasagna. Dad wouldn’t eat any of it because it was cooked by a gay man. A man under sentence of death was afraid to eat a meal prepared by a gay nephew. It stands in my mind as a stark reminder that irrationality is a powerful force.

    Personally, I’m glad he didn’t eat it. After all, it would have turned him into a liberal, and then your blog would be a lot less interesting.

  12. Steven Dunlap says

    I just finished watching two Rachel Maddow segments about this (called, appropriately, Uganda be kidding me). One of the people interviewed made the rather important point that the people who traveled to Uganda to present their bogus information dressed up as science have now repudiated the “Kill the gays” legislation to Americans. But none of them have said any of this to the Ugandans.

    Watch the interview toward the end of this segment. The right-wing nuts may have spoken out against the bill here, but no one has told the Ugandans.

    Uganda be kidding me

    The second segment has an interview with a man who wrote a book about “the family” — the conservative political organization where this legislation hatched. The second segment will start on its own. I suggest watching them both.

    Rachel Maddow rules.

  13. destlund says

    Shawn Wilkinson,

    I know you’re taking our side, but using the phrase “lifestyle/culture” of a “social group,” while it accurately reflects what the religious right tries to paint us as, does not reflect who we are. We come in all stripes and are a part of all cultures and social groups. The “queer culture” was a response to our ostracization by mainstream America, and is not a natural result of being gay.

    That’s why, as regions/cities/populations progress in tolerance and understanding, queer culture disappears or at least succumbs to Disneyfication. There are legitimate reasons to take issue with that, but the fact remains that sexual orientation is not a choice, lifestyle, artifact of culture, or sinful impulse.

    Again, I know you’re not arguing against that; the SIWOTI made me clarify. Also, I disapprove of the religious lifestyle, but nothing could convince me to approve of their mass execution (except for fleeting moments when they show up at my door).

  14. says

    I read that the death penalty and life imprisonment have been removed from the bill (from Bloomberg). But they are still pushing for a bill that is designed to punish homosexuals.

    They are also still keeping the parts of the bill that put people in jail simply for not reporting homosexuals. They even think they can request that Ugandan nationals can be deported from the USA and returned to Uganda to stand trial for not reporting homosexuals.

  15. destlund says

    Oh and Shawn, I didn’t mean to be curt in the first post; it’s just a very active thread. You’ll find a lot of good laughs in there. And with the second, I don’t want you to think I took your statement the wrong way; it was just a bit ambiguous and I felt the need to clarify.

  16. R. Schauer says

    Zeno @ #5 said,

    I keep hoping for a more rational society, but that hope often seems vain.

    I feel the same way but I harken to my younger days for inspiration and this is what I say:

    “Spock, help me Spock!”

  17. Shawn Wilkinson says

    Ah, but destlund. You don’t believe in any sort of extrapersonal mind or entity that possesses projected emotions and desires of your internal self. Read more clearly in terms of our Western tradition, you don’t believe in a god that can become happy, sad, or angry as consequences of the actions of others. Your disapproval of religion is programmed completely differently in your brain then their disapproval of a specific sexuality.

    PS I wasn’t borrowing their words or meanings, though I see how it could be seen as such. Apologies for any confusion, but I really wanted a short term to describe a specific group of individuals that possess a similar trait or identity in which an observer classifies internally, eg. a “social” group, borrowing more from the act of the observer socializing. It didn’t help that I forgot HTML is enabled, and so instead of angle-brackets should have included regular brackets for [insert favorite term for identifiers].

  18. raven says

    PZ Myers:

    When someone announces that they want a legalized hunting season on gay people, you reject it, plainly, clearly, and loudly.

    It’s not a hunting season on gay people. Hunting seasons have rules, bag limits, and so on. The bag limit would be 2 gays, 15 years or older, or whatever. It is mass murder, genocide.

    But what is the point of being a Xian Death Cultist if you can’t kill lots of people? Don’t you know jesus loves him piles of bodies and rivers of blood. Might as well become a Methodist or something.

    These Uganda massacres are simply a witch hunt. And the Africans are just a warm up. The Death Cult’s real target are the gays in the USA. And that is just a warm up too.

    This is an old movie, really old. They came for the gays but I wasn’t a gay. They came for the evolutionary biologists but I was an accountant. They came for the Wiccan witches but I was a Unitarian. It keeps going of course. When will the killer wannabes get to you?

  19. Shawn Wilkinson says

    @#22, I didn’t see a curt response. I try not to put emotions or feelings into people’s text that I’ve never read before. Everyone has their own style and diction.

    And I do admit that my ambiguous wording could be read in a pejorative manner. Mea culpa.

  20. Shawn Wilkinson says

    @25,

    Is the bolded a play off of the following?

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
    ~Pastor Martin Niemöller

  21. history punk says

    Frankly, if Ugandans pass this law and even declare open season on its LGBT population, nothing is going to stop them. Much of American left, with its infantile phobia of any American military intervention, will do some hand-wring, form supportive Facebook groups in solidarity, and conduct some telegenic protests at the Ugandan embassy. The American right will be torn between its dislike of black people and gays and outright jealousy at what the Ugandans are doing. So in the end, military intervention, the proven deterrent to and stopper of genocide will never occur.

  22. destlund says

    @Shawn Wilkinson,

    I remembered the happy god and angry god, but I did forget about making baby Jesus cry. I’ll bet that makes pappy god irritable. Anyway, I totally appreciate that you “get it,” and knew you did so from the start.

  23. raven says

    Is the bolded a play off of the following?

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;

    Some truths are eternal. This isn’t in the bible which should tell anyone how useful that kludgy bronze age anthology is.

  24. Heatheness says

    How progressive that the bill calls for hanging instead of stoning. Stoning is so old testament.

  25. Caine says

    Steve Dunlap @17:

    just finished watching two Rachel Maddow segments about this (called, appropriately, Uganda be kidding me).

    I just watched it on msnbc. Very telling, and excellently reported. It was more than a bit disturbing when the anglican minister was saying Warren’s book was looked upon as a second bible. It must have been killing him to have to come out against the bill. I’m sure he would have rather yelled “Curses, foiled again!”

    Of course, I have no doubt at all that he will continue his “work” in Uganda in regards to stomping on and oppressing gay people.

  26. ExOrganist says

    If the article referenced in #35 is the same one referred to here, it starts off well but ends up citing Paul Cameron, who has made a career out of doing to homosexuality what the Discovery Institute is trying to do to evolution. This is one area of pseudoscience that – along with “ex-gay” therapy – rarely seems to get examined by skeptics outside the gay community, and now it’s being exported around the globe. Cameron’s “research” seems to be the source of all the claims by Ugandan politicians that homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be a “learned behaviour”.

    Anyhow, it’s exceedingly depressing to watch people using colonial religions to defend enhancements to a colonial-era law and being advised on how to do so by foreigners – but all the while accusing anyone who objects of “colonialist oppression”.

  27. Strangest brew says

    Africa in general has a severe personality crisis.

    The Churches have not been slow to exploit it and use it as a lever and a hopeful deterrent to everything they hate, like diminishing congregations world wide.

    African religiosity is a Many-Splendored Thing.
    Comprising of ancient devil beliefs to black magic witch doctor style but in the flavour of xianity.

    And is causing ructions and shifts in the C of E at the moment.

    They are a massive potential congregation and the Church is turning a myopic eye to many facets of the African religious supernatural culture, they want their souls not their enlightenment.

    RCC is also plying for the same trade, as are a dozen other lesser xian delusionist cults.

    The mish mash of xianity and witch doctoring beliefs has even been imported in to Blighty, where it is seemingly welcomed by the superstitious enclaves of ethnic conglomerations.

    A bit of home entertainment to complement their present 1st world spiritual abolutions goes down right fine and dandy apparently.

    And for the C of E this has serious repercussions.
    They are suddenly cornered, they cannot fight the good, religiously ‘rational’ fight on two fronts, and it is noted that the communities where this mongrel belief gains most support are among the evangelical wing and the surge in new victims for jeebus that the C of E likes to boast about.

    Add to that the fundamentalist nature of the African xian scene and a significant emergence of African jeebus wannabes and you get right wing hate and ignorance campaigns so beloved of the missionaries that were moved to gods work in the 18th century.

    Chickens/Home/Roost springs to mind.

    This Ugandan nonsense is just the fallout of the rampant religious zealotry and the churches are on one hand deeply pleased they have a ally in their prejudice but on the other hamstrung to comply with 21st century morality regarding witch hunting/ter ghey open hating without alienating their political and moderate marks!

    The likes of Warren et al just inflames the situation.

    And it is plain that they wet dream about such draconian anti-ghey measures in the West.
    But grudgingly accept that they do not have the following to enact similar little goodies especially under the US constitution.

    Given the ‘liberal’ bias to ter gheys in the West in general the best they can muster, in a desultory and rambling style, is to mumble slight approbation.

    They do not mean it of course, and they do not like it, but they know they have little choice, it does not make them happy hoppy bunnies for jeebus.

  28. Rorschach says

    There is hope for the USA ! They have one journalist and 2 comedians who still report the news objectively….

    This whole connection to the Family and religious right still has me a bit shocked, to be honest.If the US were an open liberal and tolerant society, these hating bigot assholes would be swept out of office and stripped of their powers immediately.

  29. Caine says

    ExOrganist @ 37:

    Cameron’s “research” seems to be the source of all the claims by Ugandan politicians that homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be a “learned behaviour”.

    Which Warren has latched onto ferociously. He’s been all over Uganda pushing the “homosexuality is a lifestyle, therefor it cannot be a civil rights issue.” Unfortunately, he’s found plenty of people willing to buy that line of crap.

  30. Richard Eis says

    -It’s revealing when it takes you this much time to decide it’s a bad idea.-

    Well, yes, lets face it, they like the idea.

    They just can’t be seen to like the idea because then they would be shown as the cruel nasty little bigots that they are (as if it isn’t blindingly obvious to every non-christian).

  31. Danimals says

    I find left-wing sites like this very hateful. sorry. you guys have no love and paint people who just disagree with you with the same brush (truth be damned). it’s all convenient in the margins of a blog site, but how do you all behave in real life … with love? I can only surmise from how I see liberal people behave in my life but won’t cast you all under the bus b/c it is convenient here to do so. but i do wonder….

  32. Naked Bunny with a Whip says

    you guys … paint people who just disagree with you with the same brush

    Unlike you and your very specific and well-reasoned objections to individual points.

    (truth be damned)

    Your motto, apparently.

  33. Carlie says

    So according to Danimals, we don’t have any love, because we think it’s wrong to kill people and think that people who have condemned people shouldn’t do that, especially if it leads to killing them. Got it.

  34. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    I find left-wing sites like this very hateful.

    Says the guy conveniently ignoring the subject matter dealing with setting up laws that would kill people for who they love.

    sorry. you guys have no love and paint people who just disagree with you with the same brush

    No, we can pick specific reasons for why people are acting in ways contrary to the way civilized, rational, non hypocritical, caring people act.

    (truth be damned)

    And what exactly are you referring to here?

    And shouldn’t you be capitalizing that as Truth?

    it’s all convenient in the margins of a blog site, but how do you all behave in real life … with love?

    Yes but also with reason.

    I can only surmise from how I see liberal people behave in my life but won’t cast you all under the bus b/c it is convenient here to do so. but i do wonder….

    So what exactly is your purpose here again?

  35. Matt Penfold says

    So according to Danimals, we don’t have any love, because we think it’s wrong to kill people and think that people who have condemned people shouldn’t do that, especially if it leads to killing them. Got it.

    Yeah, it is odd how Danimals does not seem to have a problem with those advocating killing gays, and those who only reluctantly seem willing to condemn such actions, but does have a problem with those of us who think anyone who even hesitates to condemn is dangerous.

  36. Abdul Alhazred says

    Fifty years ago anti-gay laws weren’t a sign of a notorious dictatorship or a third world hell hole. Such laws were universal in the “free world” and not just Texas.

    It’s not that long ago, and apparently some folks miss it.

  37. Abdul Alhazred says

    I mention Texas because that was where the last anti-gay law was overturned in the USA a lot more recently than fifty years ago.

  38. Strangest brew says

    #45

    ‘I find left-wing sites like this very hateful’

    You have not lived in the real world long have you sherlock?

    You want hateful…

    Screw you Danimals and grow up!
    And while you are about it try and learn some real morality…fool!

  39. Armand K. says

    Re: Abdul Alhazred
    Fifty years ago not even racial segregation laws were necessarily a sign of a 3rd world dictatorship. And I mention this specifically in the context of USA, where “interracial marriage” was illegal until 1967 in some states (namely, the so-called bible belt states).

    Just because something was lawful in some “developed” country at some point does not mean it is “right” or “just.”

    Blasphemy was until recently a criminal offence in some of the most advanced countries. Slavery was lawful throughout the whole Western world. Killing people without trial was, if not approved by law, at least tolerated (it was called, I think, “lynching,” and was a common practice throughout the “free world”).

    Just a few other examples of things that are “not so long ago,” which “some fokls apparently miss.”

  40. Abdul Alhazred says

    However, in 1959 (unlike with racial segregation) there was no general consciousness even on the left that anti-gay laws needed reforming.

    Whereas there were a significant number of people who were “good on race” even 100 or more years ago.

    Anti-gay is the older and more pervasive prejudice.

  41. destlund says

    Abdul Alhazred,

    The Texas anti-gay-sex law was struck down by the US Supreme Court in 2003, but it was promptly followed by a brand spankin’ new anti-gay law passed by a referendum which was “approved by 76% of the voters, with Travis County, Texas (which contains Austin, Texas) the only county opposing the amendment, while the cities of Houston and Dallas were close.” Ibid. That’s why I wouldn’t ever leave Austin for another part of Texas. Let’s face it: we have a lot of work to do still. And for the record, I’m gay too.

  42. Abdul Alhazred says

    Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

    For that matter, there are places where the law is alomost OK where I would not live due to the hostility of the general population.

    I’m talking about neighborhoods not states.

  43. Armand K. says

    However, in 1959 (unlike with racial segregation) there was no general consciousness

    Hum… 1959 is the year when APA exluded homosexuality from the list of mental diseases, is it not? It probably was a trigger, but it means there was something already “going on.” In that sense, the progress as far as anti-gay legislation is concerned, was swifter than the anti-racial one.

    I think I have misunderstood your initial point, sorry for that.

    However, my idea was that that pointing fingers at the laws, existing or abandoned, of a country is not a valid support in an argument on whether something is ethical or not. Law or general acceptance in a society is an explanation, not an excuse. And there were (and still are) so many laws with no other fundamental reason than prejudice and protection of said prejudice (mostly on religious grounds)!

    I shoould have realized not everyone would know I’m gay. :)

    So am I. What’s more, I lived until recently in a country (Romania) where being gay was criminalized until abour ten years ago. But I don’t think this has anything to do with the problem at hand.

    About Uganda… I can’t shake off the feeling that the official policy of the Catholic Church also had some influence, along with other fundamentalist views.

    You know, the same RCC that paraded a few years ago with the great success their abstinence-only policy had in fighting HIV/AIDS in Uganda. The same RCC that last year refused to endorse, along with other European states, a petition to the UN calling for the decriminalization of homosexuality all over the world — on the hypocritical grounds that, while they don’t advocate punishing someone for being gay, signing along would contrast with their doctrine that homosexuality is a sin.

  44. Abdul Alhazred says

    Jesusland? That absolutist bullshit again? Instead of red and blue it should be different shades of purple in most places (including in Canada).

    Actually I was thinking of certian neighborhoods in New York City and Chicago.

  45. Richard Eis says

    I find left-wing sites like this very hateful.

    Yeah I hate it when people are killed by religious lunatics. I hate it when religious kooks sneak into government and undermine it while pretending to be all nice and innocent. I hate when religious fucktards start wars because the voices in their heads told them to.

    And I especially hate you for being a nancy little troll too scared to speak out against the attrocities YOUR religion is causing. You weak, pathetical little sheep. Lecturing us on hate and telling us to be nice while we clean up and expose your own shit stinking corruption.

  46. destlund says

    It was a joke. Of course homophobia is still pervasive throughout the world. IIRC, just a month or so ago a gay guy was nearly beaten to death in the street in NYC; the whole thing was on traffic camera. Unprovoked, unmotivated (except for hate).

  47. Gyeong Hwa Pak, the Pikachu of Anthropology says

    I find left-wing sites like this very hateful

    The hypocrisy in this one is strong.

    So, from this guy’s little rant, I take it hate he supports killing Ugandan gays as a form of conservative “love”?

  48. JJ says

    Ugh, any about Rick Warren pisses me off. Saddle Back Church is defiantly a cult. It’s a creepy place. Also, was larger and had much better facilities than my High School down the road.

  49. destlund says

    *titters* I can’t help but giggle any time I see “saddleback.” Sure, the word comes from the church and its asshat minister, but it’s firmly planted in the lexicon now.

  50. JJ says

    the word comes from the church and its asshat minister

    Actually, the name SaddleBack comes from the area (Saddle Back Valley), the mountain range in south Orange County – named Saddleback Mountain, as it has two peaks that resemble a saddle (I grew up in it’s shadows). Even the school district in the area is the Saddleback Valley Unified School District.

  51. destlund says

    Whoopsie! I didn’t realize we were smearing a whole area. Them’s the breaks, I guess. Sorry about that.

  52. Janine, She Wolf Of Pharyngula, OM says

    I find left-wing sites like this very hateful.

    I am so sorry that I am so lacking as a human that I cannot openly show my love for people who think that the likes of me should be imprisoned and/or executed. Just as I am unable to show love for people who supported those who ended up proposing those laws.

    Danimal, I am so sorry that I am so lacking as a human that I take these disagreements personally. So, please, show all of that mighty love that you have and explain to me why I should be placed in jail. Maybe, if you are persuasive enough, I will become part of a campaign to advocate that I deserve to be jailed.

  53. JJ says

    @70 – No worries, the area could use a good ol’ making fun of (there’s a reason I don’t live there anymore). And quite hilarious with that link you pointed out…

  54. Caine says

    Danimal @ 45:

    I find left-wing sites like this very hateful. sorry. you guys have no love and paint people who just disagree with you with the same brush (truth be damned). it’s all convenient in the margins of a blog site, but how do you all behave in real life … with love? I can only surmise from how I see liberal people behave in my life but won’t cast you all under the bus b/c it is convenient here to do so. but i do wonder….

    My, what a generic troll-by. So, being against those who would happily institute a modern day inquisition is hateful? Interesting morals you don’t have there.

  55. Brownian, OM says

    My, what a generic troll-by.

    With all of his talk of ‘love’1 I’ll put down $50 the guy is waiting feverishly for the Rapture so God can ‘love’2 his chosen saved and ‘love’3 the rest of his creation.

    1 Love; /lÊŒv/ -noun: sanctimonious pride; a feeling of moral superiority; lack of humility
    2 Love; /lÊŒv/ -verb: control; restrain; prevent from acting freely with respect to free will and the ability to sin
    3 Love; /lÊŒv/ -verb: destroy with as much vengeance and fury as possible; overkill; behave in a manner consistent with the alternate universe of Michael Bay films

  56. MAJeff, OM says

    Hum… 1959 is the year when APA exluded homosexuality from the list of mental diseases, is it not?

    Nope. That would have been 1973.

  57. aratina cage says

    Danimals, the careening troll,

    you guys have no love

    Love:

    For God so loved the world
    that He gave His only begotten Son
    that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish
    but have everlasting life.

    So the yardstick by which God’s love can be measured is individual human longevity. By that criteria, I’d say that God’s love is minuscule. Therefore God hates you.

  58. Travis says

    I have no been around here very much lately but I was glad to see a troll appear. Now, I wish they had stuck around, I have really been wanting a toy to play with, to bat around a bit. These drive by trolls are no fun.

  59. lose_the_woo says

    These drive by trolls are no fun.

    I can pretend to be a troll for you Travis. Let’s give it a try:

    Why do you hate God?

  60. Travis says

    Thanks Lose_the_woo, but it is just not the same.

    Hmm, I’ve never thought of troll role play though. Kinky…

  61. negentropyeater says

    Is Danimals new ? Then I call POE.

    Recommended reading :

    Rev.Kapya Kaoma’s full report on how the US christian right is exporting homophobia to Africa.

    Kaoma was also interviewed by Maddow.

    Huffington Post is also covering this story.

  62. aratina cage says

    Thanks for the link to Slayer, Janine. It’s stunningly ironic how the album God Hates Us All was released on September 11, 2001.

  63. raven says

    Danimals the driveby troll:

    I find left-wing sites like this very hateful. sorry. you guys have no love and paint people who just disagree with you with the same brush (truth be damned).

    Yes, unlike xian fundie genocidal maniacs who want to round up most of the world’s population and kill them.

    Xian fundie love = mass murder.

    Danimals, your inept fundie god of hate and murder looks a lot like satan. Only a lot worse.

  64. Legion says

    Danimals has employed theist distract and derail tactic #117.

    We are neither surprised nor amused.

    Oink!

  65. destlund says

    Troll is gone, but I have to say that neither atheism nor science are particularly left wing. They exclude the religious right. There are plenty of libertarian, even (at least before Bush) Republican atheists, at least in the south. I’m sure the fact that PZ leans left influences the numbers on this blog, but the left/right near-even split seems to me to be just as prevalent among atheists and scientists as among everyone else.

  66. Gregory Greenwood says

    Danimals has an interesting definition of what constitutes ‘hateful’ behaviour. Apparently advocating or refusing to condemn a law that would essentially declare open season on homosexuals is just fine and dandy. Condemning such an abominable abuse of law and those who refuse to unequivocally repudiate it is, somehow, hateful.

    For Danimals, killing a person who has the misfortune to be infected with a certain virus is doing dog’s work, so long as the prospective victim is an exponent of the black arts of ‘teh ghey’. Even though AIDs infection is also at epidemic levels among heterosexuals throughout the African Subcontinent. Being straight and HIV positive or with full blown AIDs is a tragedy, but apparently being in the same boat but gay is the wrath of god smiting the sinful or some such Xian drivel.

    I would contend that speaking out against such unambiguous evil as this proposed law is not hateful. A hypothetical scenario that would be genuinely hateful would be if I were to tell Danimals that I would cheerfully throttle the life out of his vile, homophobic little carcass. I am, of course, far too British to ever do such a thing.

    I think the difference should be obvious to anyone of average intelligence . . . Oh, right. I forgot that we are dealing with a fundie troll.

    My mistake.

  67. destlund says

    You know, after all this analysis of the drive-by trolling, I thought I’d go back and investigate the original post. Obviously the troll didn’t read our comments, and hasn’t returned to read our responses, so he was just posting a knee-jerk reaction to the original post. Maybe even the first sentence:

    By now you’ve all heard about the heinous Ugandan bill that would lead to the imprisonment of homosexuals and the execution of any with AIDS, and you’ve probably also heard that it was promoted by American right-wingers.

    I knew it. PZ, you’ve got to stop spewing hate like that. Accusing people of things they’re doing! I declare! It’s a hate crime, it really is. You might as well have dragged danimals behind a truck for 50 miles because he was black. Not that I’m accusing danimals of being black; I’d never be so hateful as to do that.

  68. destlund says

    Oh Jesus Christ, Janine, I can’t believe you showed me that. My desk bears witness to the damage my brain has endured.

  69. Janine, She Wolf Of Pharyngula, OM says

    Sorry about that. You need to used to the idea that your jokes are reality.

  70. destlund says

    I thought I had the privilege of laughing at reality because it didn’t actually exist. I don’t know that I can handle the fact that it does.

  71. Caine says

    World Nut Daily? Ouch. Gotta be careful, too much reading there can lead to shrunken brain syndrome.

  72. 'Tis Himself, OM says

    Only one troll in this thread and a drive-by at that.

    PZ, we need a better class of troll on this blog.

  73. llewelly says

    From the article tim Rowledge referred to:

    ”He [the pope] assures all concerned that the Church will continue to follow this grave matter with the closest attention in order to understand better how these shameful events came to pass and how best to develop effective and secure strategies to prevent any recurrence.”

    Uh, a great many of these acts “came to pass” because the pope enabled them. The use of “understand” is there to dishonestly imply the pope does not already understand how he helped these horrible events “come to pass”.

  74. llewelly says

    PZ, we need a better class of troll on this blog.

    I agree. Trolls should be required to take a few levels in some class other than Complete Idiot before commenting on Pharyngula.

  75. destlund says

    tim Rowledge:

    Good gracious me! Sakes alive! The pope should sue them for his pain and suffering. Right after he’s finished complaining to the ministry of foreign affairs that they’re being meanieheads to his child rapists.

  76. Occam's Machete says

    “Warren speaks; I’m not impressed”.

    The ‘Department of Redundancy Department’ strikes again.