[Lounge #398]
This is the lounge. You can discuss anything you want, but you will do it kindly. We’re all happy as clams!
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Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal
Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal
This is the lounge. You can discuss anything you want, but you will do it kindly. We’re all happy as clams!
Status: Heavily Moderated; Previous thread
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 24th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Clammy Steel?
Audley Z. Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
January 24th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
That looks lewd. For shame, PZ! For shame!
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 24th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Hey, as long as it isn’t an assclam!
:D
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If we need to give permissions to wiki-fy our Commune-related posts, then consider it given.
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The Mellow Monkey:
January 24th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
I think I must have missed something. Commune posts are going in the wiki now? Is there a link to whatever’s up?
I’m up for anything I’ve posted on the topic going there.
Cannabinaceae:
January 24th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
That looks like a geoduck, pronounced “gooey duck”.
No, I’ve never eaten one, but I would if I had the chance. Well, maybe not a whole one, I’m not all that big.
morgan:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Hey it is a Geoduck clam… pronounced gooey-duck. This looks like a baby. They are yummy, but their phallic appearance freaks out many folks. Too bad. But not for the clam I suppose.
Esteleth, Ultra-PC Feminist Harpy Out To Destroy Secularism:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Funny:
I’m currently chatting with the Someone I Met. And I mentioned Pharyngula.
So she says, “What is that?”
I briefly explain. Both the biology and the blog.
Leading to her saying:
Horde, I think I am in love.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
That is a keeper right there. :D
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
I know! I even changed my nym to match
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Esteleth! Fuck yeah! *grins*
I also want a geoduck. They are sort of a scary giant clam, but they also present an interesting challenge texture-wise.
Jafafa Hots:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
The cool thing about a geoduck is that if you lose it it’s easy to track.
chigau (違う):
January 24th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
It’s not cute.
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 24th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Only until the GPS goes down.
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PZ Myers:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
I’ve eaten geoduck many times. They are delicious! I want one now!
Jafafa Hots:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
I’ve never even had regular duck.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Heh
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
January 24th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Hai guise!
Threadrupt.
DC was awesome. Saw lots of hordelings. Carpooling with Esteleth was fun.
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 24th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
SallyStrange!
*pouncehug*
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Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Jafafa Hots,
Regular duck is good too… OMG I love duck! My wife hates it because it tends to be fatty and gamey, but I love it because the meat is richly flavored and the rendered fat makes an incredible gravy.
For me, I think the temptation of the geoduck is that it affords a level of size that most clams just don’t. I think most people chicken out and just grind or dice the geoduck like it is more cost-efficient clam. I’d like to experiment with larger pieces and see if I can work the texture and flavor to my advantage. Maybe like a spiral-cut geoduck?
J Bowen:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
I accidentally caught a clam once while I was fishing for walleyes. I didn’t know what to do with it so I threw it back in the river. It was just barely hooked through the flesh on the outside of its closed shell.
Happy clam.
About a year later me and my wife were strolling down the dry river bed spotting clam shells everywhere.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
The Mellow Monkey
Here’s what’s up so far. I apologize for the lack of formatting and such, I haven’t really played with it much, just put the stuff rq sent up onto a page there.
Jafafa Hots:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
This lounge needs to issue matchbooks.
Lounge matchbooks are fun:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/therealdevildoll/1807457604/in/pool-2110335@N24/
permutation:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
If you haven’t caught last week’s Quirks and Quarks podcast yet, you at least need to know is that it includes a researcher who has set up video cameras in hopes of capturing deviant barnacle sex.
http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2013/01/19/january-19-2013/
The gooseneck barnacle doesn’t have the usual legendary barnacle penis – instead, it found a way to mate with others far, far away.
Jafafa Hots:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
(and yes, that one is insensitive, but it was the 1950s. Everything was offensive then.)
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
I like duck, but prefer it cooked more than typical. I don’t like my meats too bloody (steak for instance, I prefer medium).
Jafafa Hots:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
I went clamming at the Bay of Fundy as a kid.
The resulting clams were gritty. We ate them with ketchup.
The next year when we went back (was it the next year?) there were signs all over warning people not to eat the clams because of some disease.
I think that was where it all went wrong.
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
I sort of like the idea of Lounge matchbooks… largely because I don’t have much of anything from my past to hang onto.
When I was a kid, one of my uncles stole everything we owned… literally backed a truck up and filled boxes and plastic bags and left our home looking like no one had ever lived there*. When I was 10, my family packed up and moved to North Carolina, and all of our stuff was moved into a barn with a leaky roof while my dad tried to unpack it, and a bunch of it was destroyed. When I moved out of my parents’ house, they moved my stuff into an unfinished basement where most of it was destroyed by water or mold.
So I’m all about collectibles. Someone make a T-shirt, let’s have some matchbooks, who wants to make a commemorative plate?
*I don’t have any clear memories before my 8th birthday. I’m relaying what was told to me.
rowanvt:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Threadrupt:
Did you know, I really *love* owners who tell us that yes, their cat be a little aggressive because it’s a feral that their taming, but they can totally pet it (and sometimes it won’t attack them when they touch it) and they got in the carrier just fine (lying, cat scratched the owner) but then *don’t* tell us that the cat also charges them at random and climbs their legs while attacking them.
I really am enjoying my bite wound on my right index finger from this evil 2 year old (now formerly) intact feral tomcat that got his only rabies vaccination the day he bit me. AND he bit me through a towel and thick leather gloves.
I’m also enjoying the aching arm from my tetanus vaccine.
We told the owner that once the 10 day quarantine is over… put the feral BACK outside where they found it. Adult ferals rarely fully tame. Adult feral toms are even less likely to tame. An adult feral that is also of the charge you and try to rip your eyes out variety is almost guaranteed to NOT tame and if they want a rescue cat, they should foster a feral kitten that will probably tame.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
the commune stuff is totes awesome!
Great job to all involved. Is there something we do not have covered?
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
And let me just say, I love that, courtesy of MacGuyver, Beatrice is in charge of explosives!
Cyranothe2nd:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
@ 27–Improbably Joe
First, that’s awful and I’m sorry that that happened to you.
Second, my parents were the kind of people that didn’t value the belongings of others or the privacy of us kids, so it wasn’t unusual for me to come home and find some of my stuff just gone. I had to hide the stuff I really valued. As a consequence though, I throw practically everything away. I keep important documents (to a point) but throw or give most everything else away when I get tired of it. I never really thought this was weird until a few years ago, when my partner got a new coat and had trouble throwing the old one out because he’d worn it all through high-school and college. It never occurred to me before that “normal” people imbue objects with emotional significance. While some things are significant to me–my daughter’s baby book, for example–other stuff just isn’t on my radar (her first blanket, or first pair of shoes or other stuff that people save. To me, that’s just stuff.) And to me, “collectibles” and “collections” are just clutter. The only things I keep for longer than a year or two are books, and I still ruthlessly cull those out after a few years.
No point here, except that we had the exact opposite reaction to similar experiences.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
rowanvt:
Oooh, geez. My sympathies.
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IJoe:
I totally had a thought the other day of a shirt or hat that gets shipped around to each of us. We sign it and ship it to the next person. Once we have all signed it, as many of us who are financially able to, pitch in to produce multiple copies of said hat/shirt for all Lounge denizens. Lovely idea, but I have no idea how to make it work while retaining everyone’s anonymity.
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
rowanvt,
I’m the opposite sort of “owner”: I tell people the very worst thing my furry kids have done up front. Better that others take unnecessary precautions and they aren’t needed, rather than they take no precautions and get hurt for their trouble.
I took my dog in to the vet about two weeks ago. I muzzled her myself. The fact that she didn’t act like she needed to be muzzled doesn’t change that later that night she bit my wife badly enough that both of them were on antibiotics.
Cyranothe2nd:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Rowant:
Do feral kittens or adolescents tame easily? I have a friend who adopted a feral when he was maybe 6 months, and he’s still hyper-aggressive and scratchy/bitey. I don’t know if he needed special handling or what… (probably too late now, as she’s had him a few years.)
rowanvt:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
@Joe #33-
You are my favorite type of owner. I’m always delighted when someone warns me about their pet. I’m also sorry to hear that your wife got chomped that badly. She has my sympathy.
rowanvt:
January 24th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
@Cyranothe2nd #34-
Feral kittens tame down easiest if they are found before 3 months of age. After that, it’s up in the air. I’ve seen a few tame, a few that became semi-tame, and some that never tame at all. My nymsake, Rowan, is a semi-feral that I own. I got her off the streets at 9 months old and she’d clearly had *some* people exposure before I got her. But she is entirely unable to be handled and will back into a corner growling and hissing if you startle her. I have more scars from that cat than any of the evil cats at my old job.
The best way to tame a young feral is to stick ‘em in a bathroom with food, water, litterbox, toys and sit in there for a couple hours every day. Don’t look at them. Don’t talk to them. Just read a book or something so they have to deal with you merely existing. Also bring in a nummy treat such as tuna or baby food and set it a few feet away from you (and take it when you leave). After a few weeks of that, begin reading out loud so kitten gets used to the sound of your voice. A few weeks of that and you can begin looking at the kitten and bringing the nummy treat (if kitten eats it) incrementally closer to you. Once they can eat close to you, you can try playing with the kitten via a string toy or some such.
It can take a few months for a 3-monther sometimes, but most kittens when I’ve done the above have actually tamed in just a few weeks.
borax:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
J. Hots,
Was the disease Red Tide? That stuff will make you sick.
Now when it comes to duck, it comes in two varieties; delicious and horrible.
Jafafa Hots:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
One day when I was maybe 10 or 11 I came home from school (this was a little while before my whole family just fucked off and left me outright) to find that all of my stuff in my room was gone. My books on archeology, science, etc., my collection of insulators… (I was a strange kid), everything.
My mother took it all to sell at a flea market. She was surprised that I was upset.
It was unsettling. Turned out to be a minor event compared to what followed, but at the time I thought it was important.
Jafafa Hots:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Dunno, my memory is vague (I’m not even sure I have the timing right) but I seem to recall just a vague mention of contamination or bacteria or “Warning – can make you sick” or something.
I’d still like to visit the Bay of Fundy again though. I figure maybe they’ve fixed their clams by now.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
I have the begining of an idea for something that I want to run by anyone. Joe, Dalillama, you two are the only ones who have an email that I know. May I send you a message?
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Tony
Sure, go ahead.
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Cyranothe2nd,
You threw that irritating “y” in there, that’s the reason people call me IJoe/iJoe. :)
Otherwise, I feel like we’re really similar, although maybe a couple of years apart in seeing how other people treat things as valuable. I’m just now wanting to have that feeling of being connected to a past. I’m only in the last 2-3 years feeling attached to things beyond their purchase price. And ironically, “normal” people seem to think I’m a fucking idiot. I guess people with a more traditional background give a whole bunch of things a little bit of value, because I only have a few things they all take on huge value to me.
The first decade of my life is GONE. The second decade consists of a handful of mold-covered yearbooks. The third decade is a couple of things from the Marines and nothing else at all. The remaining years are a little bit more populated, but I tend to be a bit silly-sounding to people when I talk about that stuff… because it is most of what I have that’s solid to show I ever existed.
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Tony, you’re welcome to email me 24/7. I’m only going to answer when I’m awake, but you don’t have to ever ask again.
mieuxvaut:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
I’m just going to take this opportunity of civility to delurk…
Hello! I’m a feminist atheist to-be scientist. I like cats (even the bitey ones). And I’m still traumatised by my mother throwing out some of my old toys when I was 17 – but not the ones she knew I didn’t care about, only my favourite stuffed toy (a cat, natch) and my baby blanket.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
tony
Also, what Joe said.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 24th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Huh.
When I was little my mom would buy my brother and me too many toys, especially stuffed animals, and then when she decided the mess in our rooms was Too Overwhelming she would force us to cull our toys. At least once she tried to tell us we could only keep 10, or 15, or something like that. (I remember I pushed back pretty hard on this, and increasingly successfully as I got older…though that doesn’t seem to have stopped the box that had my remaining childhood stuffed animals in it from disappearing by the time they moved out of their house a few years ago). Stuffed animals were the worst because they were cute and I anthropomorphized them and felt a deep sense of loss and loneliness at having to give them away. As an adult I’d try fairly hard to avoid buying things that might have to be given away later, and have been reluctant to throw things out or give them away; though I’m slowly getting better about it, I still often defer deciding whether to keep things in lieu of getting them better sorted and/or put away. When my then-wife would come home with some impulse purchase we couldn’t afford, she’d often ask me if I wanted her to return it and I felt like it would be some sort of betrayal to demand she do so. I’ve always handled my daughter’s toys carefully…trying to discourage people from buying her things she wouldn’t actually want, and once she was old enough, asking her if she wanted me to go through and donate toys she didn’t play with any more (generally yes), and if she wanted to be involved or just wanted me to handle it (also generally yes).
I actually had a sobbing breakdown when mom was helping me sort out the toys that had been left in a mess in the de facto playroom when daughter and I were getting ready to move back out of the house we’d been renting for a year (her mom being shacked up with a Not A Boyfriend by that point), and she was pushing me to keep less things, and reminded her of how traumatic the forced culling had been for me as a child…and of course she insisted that it was never forced, and she’d only wanted us to donate the things we didn’t want any more, and that she’d always allowed us to keep the things we actually cared about (technically true at least some of the time, but there was a LOT of “are you sure? Really? Are you sure?” and other pressure. I don’t think she accepts that pressure counts).
Business as usual. >.> (Well, somewhat atypical, actually; usually she just doesn’t want to talk about any childhood experience I’m trying to process as an adult).
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Oh, and Tony… I had a similar thought to yours. I thought I’d buy everyone a snazzy hat, and we’d know each other by the hat, and how cool would that be?
mythbri:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
On the anniversary of Roe v. Wade this week, protesters gathered outside my local Planned Parenthood clinic.
That clinic does not offer abortion services. I suppose they were protesting general healthcare. Or pregnancy testing and related pre-natal care. Or cancer screenings. Or men’s healthcare (Oh no – how silly of me. No one protests men’s healthcare). Or HIV testing. Or STD testing, treatment and vaccines. Or women’s healthcare.
I just don’t understand it. I can’t help but believe that people who are anti-choice have just never really thought about it. Really. I know that’s naive, but I don’t understand how someone could really put a lot of thought into the issue and come down on the side of forcing women to give birth against their will, or to outlaw a potentially life-saving procedure.
I don’t understand it.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Dalillama:
Sent.
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
mieuxvaut,
Please, stay unlurked! The community we’ve built here doesn’t see new people as splitting resources, but as adding to the pot. More people don’t take away from, they add to.
And I feel your trauma… I’m still hurting from where my dad destroyed my G.I. Joe #1 comic book, and then thought he would fix it with a 4th reprinting a few years later.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 24th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Good Idea: Lying down and watching some telly when you’re not well.
Bad Idea: Lying down and watching food-related programming when you’re not well.
Cue the Wheel of Morality….
mieuxvaut:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
:) Thanks Joe. Anonymity will help!
I hope that you managed to replace it yourself at some stage, but I guess not if you’re still hurting. My mother denies that such an event ever took place, in much the same way that she denies anything bad ever happening to us, ever. A true revisionist historian.
Caine, Infuriated Invisible Pixel:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Hallo Mieuxvaut, welcome in!
chigau (違う):
January 24th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Hi mieuxvaut.
Have some grog.
I’m going to bed.
mieuxvaut:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Thank you Caine and Chigau. Grog is the most welcome of all welcomes. And… sleep well, I guess? If that’s what you’re going there for. I mostly use mine for the consumption of media and peanut M&Ms.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
I tend to keep things that were gifts, as an aid to/substitute for memories. Otherwise, I generally don’t really have much attachment to things (although I’m a tad peeved about my mother losing/getting rid of all my old magazines. Not because I was attached to them per se, but because I was saving them for particular articles which I now can’t find anymore.) No one’s deliberately got rid of any of the things I do care about, but I know I’ve lost or broken some of them over the years. I just don’t know what they were anymore, for the most part, or who gave them to me, or why I was keeping them.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
and welcome to mieuxvaut
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Joe :
on my way to the bar so I can use my laptop . I will send shortly. if anyone else has no problem sharing their email address with me, I would love pose my question to you .
Jafafa Hots:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Welcome mieuxvaut.
I’m going out into the garage to cause trouble.
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
mieuxvaut,
My first name is not actually “Improbable”… anonymity is OK and respected here. :)
I’ve not replaced the things my parents destroyed… including some things my mother smashed when I got bad grades… but I’ve been trying to create new things, related to my new life. Sometimes it is hard to get people to understand, when those people have had stable lives and real records of their lives, that new things you get can have strong meaning. But it is cool, because I have an awesome wife who always tries and usually succeeds in understanding, and is supportive either way.
My parents… I’ve trained them to be better parents, by threatening to cut them off and never speak to them again. My mother has “revisionist” tendencies too. She had something called “Mom math” where every dollar she ever spent triples and quadruples in the retelling. When I was 14 she bought me a Fender Stratocaster ripoff from a pawn shop for $175. If you asked her when I was 24, it cost $300, and by now it must be worth at least $800. Not so bad, except one time where I borrowed $1400, paid her back $900, at which point she claimed I owed her $2000.
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
mieuxvaut,
NOT FAIR. I’d kill for some peanut M&Ms… not people, of course. A couple of ducks and a geoduck for the stuffing.
deoridhe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
After chatting it up in a couple of threads (iPhones are a wonderful thing, yo), I’d thought I’d introduce myself too. Deoridhe, feminist raised by a feminist, not atheist but a skeptic of sorts, devout soft scientist (my eternal love is psychology, but I have a soft spot for sociology, anthropology, archaeology… pretty much anything where natural science rules), lover of cats (mine is sleeping on my bed right now, but he’s a cuddler and I’ve had him since he was nine and a half weeks), social justicer of sorts, geek…. very weird, but I like to think entertaining.
Whenever I hear about people with sad childhoods, and disrespectful parents, and all that, I wish I could loan out my mom. Even when she didn’t understand what I valued and loved, she tried to value it because she loved me, and she taught me so much about being a scientist (she’s a physical chemist and used to take me and my brother to her lab when we were kids to watch obscure studies on the chemical makeup of sulfur, and to play with the liquid nitrogen). I’d love to loan her out to people; she was the adopted mom to most of my friends.
Improbable Joe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
deoridhe,
Welcome to the Lounge. The folks here are among the best people I’ve ever known. They give as good as they get, so I suggest you meet them in kind, and you’ll have no problems here. :)
Caine, Infuriated Invisible Pixel:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Hallo Deoridhe, welcome in. Your voice is a good one, glad to have you here.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Two delurkers in one night?
Wonderful!
Welcome in Deoridhe and mieuxvaunt!
Pull up a chair. Relax.
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
As for me, my parents never threw out any of my belongings. A few times my dad threatened to throw out our legos, but only if we failed to pick them up from the living room and kitchen floor IMMEDIATELY.
That’s a terrible invasion and upset of a child’s sense of self and boundaries between self and others.
It is extremely sad that so many people have so many bad experiences at the hands of their parents. I know the parents don’t mean ill, too–it’s just childish behavior, lashing out, thoughtlessness. Still and all. It affects people so deeply.
mieuxvaut, bienvenue. You’ll have to pardon me if I continually switch your ‘nym to “vaut mieux” in my head. Can’t be helped. Just sounds odd the other way around. That’s how I understand languages – patterns of sound just like music. Things just sound right or wrong.
My boss sucks.
I’m in love. And it’s reciprocated.
How about you?
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Joe:
Email sent.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
SallyStrange:
You’re in love?
That is fantastic!
I am incredibly happy for you.
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I have a date tomorrow. Hopefully I don’t get stood up again. Or have him tell me he loves me before we meet.
FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist, with anit to pick):
January 24th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Hello mieuxvaut and deoridhe, welcome.
rq, I think, and everyone else involved in the commune project: well done! Fun, fun, fun. And I have to say that being the only person in the “Random Useless Skills” category made me laugh almost to the point of tears. And before anyone else tries to horn in on my action may I say: no way, ain’t going to happen. I can guarantee that my skills are more random and more useless than anyone elses, anywhere anytime. :p
mieuxvaut:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Thank you dalillama, and Jafafa Hots. Joe, I would pass you some M&Ms but I probably can’t throw that far.
Deoridhe, nice to meet you! Your mum sounds awesome. My parents are both a bit perplexed by science, and also by being respectful human beings. They try, though.
I laugh whenever anyone in this thread talks about geoducks, because my inner 13 old is telling me that they are surely Pokemon.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Sallystrange
Good for you (the in love thing).
Tony
Best of luck, hope the date goes well.
Caine, Infuriated Invisible Pixel:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:58 pm
Sally:
Mine certainly did, however I don’t need to talk about that any more.
Glad to hear you’re in love. Is this Strange boyfriend or someone new?
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:58 pm
Tony – yes! Well, actually, it’s the same man I’ve been in love with since – fuck, since 2006. We’ve spent the past year living in different states. I just visited him (along with the Hordelings, though sadly not concurrently – he had to work during our dinner hour) and we had a great time. Again. Fourth such visit since June. We’re both changing, and for the better. We’re getting better at resolving our conflicts and enjoying our time with each other. We’re both dropping expectations and not putting so much pressure on each other or ourselves. He’s having a rough time on account of working 3 jobs and being too busy to have a social life, but I feel confident he’s going to hang in there long enough to find a job before the end of his Americorps thing.
And, yeah, that giddy happy feeling I had when we first met is still there. So. In love.
Okay, it’s true. I’m a romantic and a softie.
/rambling
deoridhe:
January 24th, 2013 at 11:58 pm
iJoe and Caine: I’m a total fan. *blushes, flails, generally looks embarrassed*
I’ve been lurking for about six months. I am a significant lurker. I’ve had places I lurked for years before becoming a loudmouth, but well… you guys seem so awesome, and Pharyngula felt so safe. I literally used to come here to reassure myself about the validity of humans after particularly rough days; it’s so relaxing to be in a place where being just is more important than polite, and the kindness when given is without hidden costs or strings attached.
Thanks or the welcome Tony!
Oh gods, I miss being in love! May it last you a long time, Sally.
mieuxvaut:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:00 am
Thanks Tony, Sally and FossilFishy! Don’t worry if you do awful things to my name in your head – I’m not French, just pretentious.
Sally, congratulations! And good luck Tony :)
(Oh, I do have better things to do than camp on a comment thread. But they are no fun, and it’s a rainy Friday.)
Caine, Infuriated Invisible Pixel:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:05 am
Lee The Misogynist Coye just called Ginmar’s post on combat duty a ranty rant.
Fuckin’ doucheweasel.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:09 am
deoridhe:
The people here are some of the best humans I’ve known.
And yes, this is a safe place. Even if The Lounge is the only place you want to post.
****
Long Time Regulars:
is it me, or have we seen more de-lurkers here in the last few months? Maybe I’m off here, but it feels that way.
As I have said many times, I appreciate and welcome diverse points of view and new people with new stories to share (as they choose).
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:15 am
Anyone need an android cell phone?
Someone gave me one. A Samsung Admire.
I can’t afford a cell phone contract. No use to me.
I’d donate it to one of those thingies where you donate it, but I don’t know of one around here.
Nobody wanted to buy it dirt cheap (any offer accepted) from craigslist.
None of my family members who do use cell phones use MetroPCS.
I can just pop it in a bubble envelope and mail it. Or something.
Seems like a waste to have it sitting here useless.
(needs a charger, they’re like $5-$10 on eBay)
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:17 am
Sally: you being excited and happy makes me feel excited and happy too. I’m already in love and thrilled with it, and seeing anyone else in the same state just amps up my own feelings. :)
deoridhe: I know we’re not polite, but we are generally kind to one another. And yeah, no strings attached. I’m probably still in the hole here 90% of what I’ve gotten from them financially, and all anyone asks of me is that I try to be good to myself and to my wife. Really genuinely good people here… and the angrier the person seems, odds are that’s how decent they are.
FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist, with anit to pick):
January 25th, 2013 at 12:18 am
There seems to be a lot of giddy love floating around The Horde lately.
[Does a happy dance involving Peanuts like moves]
[Notices a customer]
“Uh, hi. Sorry about that. What can I do for you?”
“No worries, I was looking for a tube like this one.”
[Hands over tube.]
“Yup, I’ve got one of those.”
[Digs around for correct size.]
“So, if you don’t mind me saying, you looked pretty happy there…”
[Obvious question of why? indicated with a rising inflection.]
“Uh, yeah, it’s just, er, here’s your tube…”
[hands tube over, ponders for a moment, decides the world needs more joy.]
“Look, this is going to sound stupid, but I was dancing like an idiot because a bunch of people that I know on-line have been finding relationships and being all in love and things, and well, I got caught up in the happy for a second…”
[Customer gets big grin.]
“Can I dance too?”
“Of course!”
[Flailing silly dancing for 10 or so seconds followed by helpless laughter]
Thanks for triggering an awesome end to a pretty average work day, Sally.
deoridhe:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:18 am
Tony: I’ve kinda opinionated it up already in the Thunderdome. When I delurk, I do it with energy. Hee hee. Actually, the lounge is one of the few places I haven’t lurked. It always felt more invasive. Elsewhere, there are debates and it seems public, but the lounge always felt like someone’s living room and like if I was going to watch, I should speak up, too. Isn’t it weird how subtle differences can cause such effects in different people? (I don’t expect others to agree with me, it’s just a weirdness in how I operate. See? Psych obsessed. Permanent navel gazer.)
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:18 am
Oh, I forgot the word FREE. as in anyone want a free cell phone.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:35 am
deoridhe:
No, it isn’t weird at all.
It took me some time before feeling comfortable enough to post here. I felt like I was intruding, even though the nature of this area is that multiple conversations are often going on, it is open to all, and it is an open thread. Yet for all that, I still felt I was intruding. Really though, there is not any “good” time to post (by that I mean a point where no ongoing conversation is occurring where one could insert a comment into).
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 25th, 2013 at 12:41 am
I still feel like I’m intruding on a group and forcing my way in.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:47 am
well you’re not. Not in here. Not ever :)
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:49 am
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:49 am
annnnnd I borked the blockquote.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:54 am
Jafafa Hots
If no one actually needs such a thing, I wouldn’t object to it; it looks a bit nicer than my current one. OTOH, if you want a cellphone, simple plans are dead cheap nowadays; I’m paying about $25/mo for mine.
deoridhe
It’s not just you, I felt the same way.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:56 am
Audley:
If you’re up, you have email.
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:56 am
WMDKitty,
We ALL feel like intruders and fakes from time to time. There have been times where someone has said that they feel like you feel, and then someone else says “Oh no, not you! But maybe me?” and then I’ve popped in to say “you two are awesome, but I don’t belong here!”
I know that I care about the people here even if I don’t always feel like I fit. And I’m coming to learn that the people here don’t need to constantly reassure me in order for them to care about me back.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:57 am
Dropping by to say hello.
And I promise I’ll try to be nice.
Cheers, mates( or comrades if you please), and have a good one.
Caine, Infuriated Invisible Pixel:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:57 am
Jafafa Hots:
Yeah, right. You’ve always been a cool kid to me. ♥
On the phone, I loathe cell phones. I have an uber cheap one and put minimum time on it as needed. It’s for emergencies only and the only person who has the number is Mister.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:58 am
Jafafa Hots:
Ummm, this bar does not close early. Have you seen how late I stay up? I’m *the* bartender here. You wants a drink?
Imma fix you a drink.
What’s your poison?
A Paden on the rocks?
A frozen Bumblebee?
A Shermer shaken and strained?
A shot of Groethe?
Caine, Infuriated Invisible Pixel:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:59 am
Hallo, Jesper.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:59 am
As far as I’m concerned, if you post here, I care.
deoridhe:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:59 am
Man, now I want brownies. *bats eyelashes at Jafafa*
I’d take your free phone, but I just got a nearly free iPhone 5 (I have really nice friends, lets just say) and I’m still gleeful over the act I now have over two dozen books on it all for free. Free Austen, free Baum, I haven’t even looked up free Socrates and Machiavelli yet! The world is a wonderful place.
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:59 am
Dalillama, this being an android smart phone thingie, most people would want a data plan.
Even simple plans aren’t that cheap around where I am, I think.
But I don’t call people anyway.
So anyway, let’s let the offer percolate until tomorrow to see if someone with a serious need comes along. If not, it’s yours.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:00 am
Hello Jesper!
Welcome in.
::looks around at the bar and the seating area…who are the builders in the Commune? I think we need to expand the Lounge a bit. I may need to have PZ order more liquor.::
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:02 am
Yeah, me too. I actually have one that is (generously of them) on someone else’s plan, but I never even charge the thing except when I need an alarm clock for a Dr. appt.
Tony, judging from my body’s reaction, I’d guess my poison is lactose.
Caine, Infuriated Invisible Pixel:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:03 am
Dalillama:
That’s not cheap. I wouldn’t dream of parting with 25 a month for a phone. Sorry, I can buy books with 25 bucks or food for my rats, or…
I just buy x amount of hours at one time. I never use the thing.
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:05 am
Tony:
I know it! :) That’s my point, I don’t need you to say it every time… not that I mind when you do! But I think I’m going to be able to be cool even when nobody says it to me. :)
deoridhe:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:07 am
I used to loathe phones, and then I got this awesome bluetooth headset so I can hear everything perfectly, and well I’m not planning on sitting and chatting or anything, but the phone stuff I have to do for work isn’t as much of a pain anymore. It’s very new, so I’m still getting the sense of it, but I had a string of emergencies on Wednesday and it make them so much easier to balance.
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:09 am
Phones are… phones. My wife MUST have one, so adding me to her doesn’t mean much. But since I have one, it is so cool that I can use it to keep up with here, and alter the sounds of my guitar, and help me navigate in a new town, and all the other things the phones do these days!
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:11 am
Thanks good people.
Looking forward to internetting with you.
*orders a goodnight cap and lights up one last smoke before zzztime beckons*
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:14 am
I used to be senior consumer affairs rep at Fisher-Price.
150-plus phone calls a day.
Sometimes concerned and upset but polite parents of kids who had been hurt (and in some cases nearly killed (and in a couple actually killed)) by our products. (I caused a couple of recalls, that’s always fun…)
More often outraged, irate and foul-mouthed parents violently upset that the stickers were missing and I wasn’t “next-minute-air”ing them to them.
6.5 years of 12 hour days of that. I was good at it too, but I think I totally used up my “phone.”
Now I hate the damned things.
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:15 am
Hello Newcomers
+++
I’m going to kill the little one if she doesn’t shut up soon.
At the moment every “no” is met with a serious tantrum and my head is already burtsing.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:19 am
Giliell:
Do you have an email you would allow me to send a message to?
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:21 am
Esteleth:
You have email from me.
Caine, Infuriated Invisible Pixel:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:22 am
Deoridhe:
That wouldn’t make a whit of difference to me. I do not like talking on the phone. I don’t like doing anything on a phone. I have a tablet, that’s as small as I’m going to get as far as ‘net stuff and I don’t have to talk to anyone on it, and more to the point, no one can call me on it.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:24 am
Caine:
I think I can relate to an extent. I don’t like talking on the phone. I like talking…to people, in person.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:28 am
Tony:
There’s a big difference. I’m not social either, and when I’m around people, I tend to watch and listen more than talk. If I’m just with a couple of people that I know, then I can enjoy talking. I’m fine on the ‘net. The ‘net is good.
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:31 am
I love my phone but I hate talking on it.
Now I can die happy. I have made a positive difference in the world!
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:39 am
Oh man, StevoRacist is about, Lee The Misogynist Coye is still yakking and I’m weary of idiots, racists and sexists.
So, I’ll go back to spending time with worthwhile Misogyny (the one by Jack Holland). G’night, all.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:43 am
Caine
I needed a phone for job hunting, although then I was only paying $10. My current plan does include limited data, so now I can find places more easily, which is a boon as my sense of direction sucks. Also, I need to have a cell so that L can get in touch w/me while I’m out; sometimes he needs to be able to communicate w/me. Beyond that, having the phone allows me to carry books with me a lot more conveniently, and gives me convenient access to content from Baen, project Gutenberg, etc. Plus it allows me to keep up with the lounge at work, even when I can’t post :). I don’t actually use it as a phone hardly at all, though. I’m not terribly social at the best of times, and I don’t like talking on the phone if I can avoid it. I’ll cheerfully talk if I’m in a group of less than about 5 people, no more than 2 of whom are strangers; otherwise I tend to just sort of lurk. I really hate incoming calls, but that’s mostly a legacy of my last job at a call center, and the fact that 99% of my incoming calls these days are bill collectors.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:45 am
Caine:
There’s an email I’d like to send you. You’ve probably seen my posts about it. I think it might be a good thing.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:47 am
God-fucking-damn!
I am sick of my laptop that keeps freezing up!
deoridhe:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:51 am
Ugh, Gilielle! Sounds like a really rough time. Tantrums are such a pain.
Yeah, I prefer the body language of talking to people in person, or the entire lack of talking through text, but the half-life of the phone is off-putting.
I can’t deny it’s handy, though; honestly my favorite love is how it gives me internet access, game access, texting access, a calendar to keep me organized, to do lists, and my new favorite the Unfuck Your Habitat application which makes me ever so happy and may result in me having a clean house due to awesome. I’m so thoroughly on the “my phone can do eeeeeeverything” bandwagon and having a ball that it’s kinda pathetic.
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:59 am
I would like a tablet kind of device, but a little smaller, for directions (I walk & bus everyone, surprisinlgly that makes directions far MORE important) and quick research when out… but then I have to admit to myself that I’m practically a shut-in, rarely venturing more than a half mile from where I live, so for those few occasions like appointments or winning a free concert ticket or something, it’s not worth it.
Plus I just hate carrying crap, so even the phone I have that does crude mapping I leave uncharged at home.
(I should maybe check my voice mail. It’s been at least 2 years since the last time I checked.)
But the main reason is things are wrong with me so I’m not bragging or anything.
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:07 am
er, everywhere, not everyone.
That would take too much time and some of everyone probably wouldn’t like it.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:11 am
And now begins the Lounge Lull. That time of the day JUST when I can take time to comment —everyone goes to bed, leaves for work… A person could get a persecution complex :)
Yoo hoo, anybody home?
deoridhe:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:17 am
Nobody here but us ponies.
Sophia, Michelin-starred General of the First Mediterranean Iron Chef Batallion:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:18 am
Caine – Just have to say it, because you’ve been so hard at it lately – You are awesome. Any thread with a whiff of sexism and you’re there fighting the good fight and showing the arseholes exactly how badly they stink.
Thank you.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:21 am
Night Owl here I am still up comment away
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:27 am
deoridhe, Giliell is an Elvish nym.
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:30 am
Jafafa Hots,
Which reminds me, in future past goggle and earpiece sets that could provide virtual overlays and mark up reality were just around the corner.
(What happened?)
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:31 am
Tony
sure, it’s nym ÄT yahoo DOT de
and it’s 9:30 am here and I’m going back to bed…
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:31 am
Just figured out the utc time. Hadn’t seen it before, nice one.
Surely this will wreak havoc upon my surrealistic sleeping patterns. Heh…patterns, not bloody likely.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:33 am
Well, I’m not getting any relaxtion or reading in, the rats have decided it’s fight, fight, fight night.
Tony:
You can grab my e-address from my zenfolio: http://caine.zenfolio.com/
Sophia:
Thank you. You’re hardly a slouch in the fight yourself, you know. ♥
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:35 am
Ponies and owls,oh my!
Tony, I caught the comment up thread and saw the Commune wiki for the first time! Ooooo…
And that, deoridhe, is part of MY delurking testimonial. I delurked here just before christmas (and unfortunately haven’t been able to get back lately). With just a few comments from my end the regulars included me on the spreadsheet!
*sniffle, sniffle* I’m getting misty-eyed.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:37 am
John:
The dream of Macx is dead.
deoridhe:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:45 am
Awww, I haven’t been on a wiki since I was a big name at FandomWank! Of course, most of what’s on there about me is lies written by me…
Hee hee, yay Elvish! My name is just bastardized Irish. I love learning how people got their names, though, and the meanings behind them. The toss off, a year later it’s a major identity ones are almost more interesting than overthought ones like mine.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:48 am
I’ve been using Caine for well over 15 years now. For all intents and purposes, I am Caine. If someone calls me that in meatspace, it’s fine.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 am
John Morales, #125
Google said they were releasing them in May, IIRC.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:57 am
My nym started out as political commentary but can double for many things lately. Every time Rick Perry, Joe Barton. Ron Paul, Louie Gohmert, or John Cornyn open their mouth I get blue, red, hostile… Maybe I should just change it to ‘facepalm n tx’.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:00 am
Bluentx:
‘Facepalm n ___’ would work all over the place. May I call you Blue?
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:01 am
Dalillama:
Yes, Goggle™
So not serious.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:07 am
Blue is fine, Caine.
[Sucking up to follow...]
Caine, some of your comments (during my lurking period) were what kept me coming back to read. Thanks for the education and insight.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:17 am
Time to make the hour commute home. Wonky rural internet providing I’ll be back online then.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 am
Thank you, Blue. I really appreciate that, you have no idea how much. Have a safe commute.
deoridhe:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:18 am
Yeah, I’ve been Deoridhe since 2006. People regularly call me that offline, and I answer to it the same way I answer to my legal name.
rorschach:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:19 am
God I love Changi airport in Singapore. Managed to break my glasses in my sleep on the flight over, and was walking through the world in a miopic haze until I found a little mini market that sells superglue! It’s not pretty, but at least I can see for now.
Murray seems to be beating Federer, I will catch up on the result when I get to Bangkok in a few hours. I have an appointment with a Sky High bar on the 24th floor overlooking the city of 10 million, my favourite place in the world. Or close enough.
Also, Deadric weapons are fun! And Im looking forward to see if the Nettlebane sword will kill the damned Spriggans in the Grotto quest when I get home the week after next! *Skyrim reference*
Audley Z. Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
January 25th, 2013 at 4:48 am
Tony,
Email has been received. I will reply after I’ve cleared the cobwebs (it’s 5:45 here and I haven’t had any coffee).
For anyone thinking about getting a tablet, I totally recommend investing in a stylus (they’re cheap!) too. Makes using the touch screen sooooooo much easier.
Hello new people!
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:26 am
Well, only one seemingly suicidal deer on the way home. Fortunately it changed it’s mind at the last minute and neither of us was damaged.
I know there are a few Texas Loungers/Pharangulites but are there any legal types who might be able to help me navigate through the stupidity that is Texas Open Range Laws?
The Justice of the Peace (a friend from High School) told me that– yes, what I read online IS pretty much correct. Because of the Open Range Laws it’s mostly on ME to keep my neighbors goats off my property not his responsibility to control them!WHAT!?
So, now I not only have to spend money on fencing material to try and patch the fence but will have to pay my lawyer to ‘threaten’ a civil suit because I know no amount of ‘patching’ will keep goats out. Grrrrr!
Okay, got that out of my system now…. Good Morning everybody!
jjgdenisrobert:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:55 am
OK, dude, the popups on this site are getting really annoying. It seems like every whitespace is a link to some dumb ad???
Getting damn close to the straw that broke the camel’s back, PZ.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:05 am
Go Chrome and add adblock.
Chrome:https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
adblock:https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom?hl=en
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:07 am
And it’s free btw. So no unpleasant surprises there.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:08 am
If the popups are that annoying try an adblocker. Why are you blaming PZ?
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:24 am
Or free Firefox and adblock. Incidentally it’s Ed Brayton who’s in charge of the site advertising, not PZ. (Ed’s at Dispatches from the Culture Wars in the sidebar.)
—
Welcome more new awesome peepz and Caine-fans.
I’d rant about parents that trash their kids’ stuff but first I have to go hide things. >_>
Matt Penfold:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:27 am
Are there really pop-ups on this site ? Only I thought I recalled Ed saying that was one type of ad they would not allow. The only ones I see are the standard, click-on to visit type.
mildlymagnificent:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:34 am
Federer v Murray now in fifth set.
Which reminds me about the commune. Didn’t we have some ideas about education as well as healthcare – we should also have games and, if not the real thing, piccies of equipment and copies of rules. Croquet and field hockey much more doable than tennis and some other games I would have thought. A goodly stock of board games wouldn’t go astray along with playing cards.
Welcome to de-lurkers. Commiserations to the not-so-well. Love to the loving in love.
Laughing at FF and customer.
billingtondev:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:41 am
Delurking is kind of an odd process. I did it – then wondered why the hell I did it? Still not sure really – except was only way to get over that felling of ‘prying’. And acknowledge the great stuff – and people – here.
Got my nym from the authors of a book on Composting that happened to be sitting on bookshelf next to the computer.
Good Grief! Just pulled it out and had a look at it – it was published in 1956. Well revised in 1956 – first published in 1952! Clearly I’m not one of those that throws things out.
billingtondev:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:51 am
* feeling
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:53 am
Parents throwing things out? I have/had the opposite problem- got the packrat gene from both sides! Expecting the film crew from ‘Hoarders’ to show up any day*- I’m working on my ingrained neurosis (did I tense/spell that right?).
*Better ‘Hoarders’ than ‘Cops’ I guess.
Beatrice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:55 am
I am totally and utterly threadrupt and was trying to catch-up.
Then I read this:
Tony:
Um. Ok. Interesting. I guess I could blow things up if needed. How hard can it be?
Right?
—
And now I remembered that I forgot to give Dalillama confirmation that whatever comment of mine he (or rq) finds valuable, they can use it.
–
Tony, where did you get this info about the commune? Should I send rq and email, or is it somewhere else?
Sorry, I’m a bit lost right now.
—
Also:
update on my worries about getting a day or some hours off to go write a test for another job:
I panicked needlessly (as usual). Boss was great, wished me luck.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:00 am
billingtondev:
Always liked that story about Lee Hays of the folk group The Weavers. He was an avid gardner. When he died (supposedly) in his will was the stipulation that his ashes be turned into his compost bin. Story goes they had a ceremony/party and did just that. I think I heard that via Ronnie Gilbert one of his ‘band’ members.. or was it Pete Seeger telling the story? Been a while…
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Beatrice:
Having trouble linking but see Comment # 21 this thread. Especially note the spreadsheet links at bottom of wiki page. :)
Beatrice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Hello, welcome to mieuxvaut, deoridhe, Jesper and bluentx!
Sorry if I missed someone.
Beatrice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:13 am
bluentx,
Ah, there it is. That’s what I get for skimming comments, I miss obvious things.
Thank you!
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Eh, not so obvious the Schmott Guy was kinda sneaky. Gotta be-we can’t have everybody in on the ‘Secret Plan’ before it’s complete—rrriiight?
howard:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:41 am
Mythbri @ 48
Mind if I drop a link to one of the best answers to that question I ever heard?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html
And you can read my rant on the matter at Manboobz here (though I mostly just repeat her with a lot more yelling, and a connection to why MRAs terrified of spermjacking refuse to get a vasectomy)
Summary: because they don’t actually give a good goddam about the babies, of course. It’s really about controlling women, and anybody in the movement who thinks too hard about the babies eventually ends up leaving the movement in disgust, because of their hypocrisy.
Also, I’ve been lurking and reading around these parts for, I don’t know, a year? And it’s a pretty awesome place.
billingtondev:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:42 am
bluentx:
Ha! Cool story. Hadn’t heard it before – but makes sense to me.
I think I inherited the book from my Dad. He was a great gardener too. And an old atheist from way back. He stipulated that his body be donated to science when he died. He couldn’t see any sense in being buried – taking up space in perfectly good ground that could be used for something productive. And somebody might as well get some use from his remains since he didn’t need them any more! He would have liked the composting idea too. Pete Seeger… oh my – yup, thats a while ago alright…
camcaran:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:43 am
Hello. I’m a delurker too.
I also wanted to share my thoughts on holding onto stuff. I don’t remember very much anything of my life before the age of 13 or so. And even to 18 or 19 my memories are very foggy. (I’m 26 now) Until lately my mother kept almost all my old toys and drawings, but I didn’t see much value in them. After all, I don’t even remember ever having them. But when I looked through them, as my mother was moving and didn’t have space for them anymore, she had to throw them away, among those things was this very little, plastic, sad looking turtle. And when I saw it started to cry, but I don’t know why. That and couple of teddy bears are only things I have kept from my childhood. I also have other items important to me, but them I have bought or received later as an adult.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:44 am
Okay, was just scanning back through yesterdays comments. Now I’m a little concerned– FossilFishy and family you okay out there in fire country?
dianne:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:17 am
I don’t understand how someone could really put a lot of thought into the issue and come down on the side of forcing women to give birth against their will, or to outlaw a potentially life-saving procedure.
Some haven’t thought it through any further than “oh, the poor babyz” and are picturing 3 month olds being torn apart in the average abortion. But most are simply evil. Get to talking to a “pro-life” man and pretty quickly the rapist comes out. A person who believes he has the right to tell you what to do with your uterus will believe he has the right to tell you what to do with your vagina.
dianne:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:23 am
camcaran, not having any memories before age 13 is concerning. Would you consider talking to a therapist and maybe getting a physical exam to make sure there’s no physical problem preventing you from forming memories properly? (Some caution though: bad therapy might be worse than none…false memories and so on.)
birgerjohansson:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Miscell. books and films:
If Lovecraft had been a woman: Kiernan:”The Red Tree”
Alan Moore: “Nemo: Heart of Ice” League of extraordinary gentlemen go to the Mountains of Madness
Film: “Grabbers” …The evil critters from beyond space turn up at a small Irish island.
Fortunately, drinking alchohol makes you taste badly, so the protagonists try to stay plastered while saving the world.
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NB: False beliefs persist, even after instant online corrections http://phys.org/news/2013-01-false-beliefs-persist-instant-online.html The comment section is a free-for-all battle Royale, with creationists and AGW denialists. I am not at all surprised that the conspiracy theories common in Republican circles resist any correction.
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Never do this: ”Home Alone” http://www.xkcd.com/1164/
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Energy policy: The rebound effect is overplayed http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7433/full/493475a.html
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Expert warning: Resistance to antibiotics to be apocalyptic http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-01-expert-resistance-antibiotics-apocalyptic.html
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Tumor cells engineer acidity to drive cell invasion http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-01-tumor-cells-acidity-cell-invasion.html
The Mellow Monkey:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:39 am
Oh, wow. That commune skills chart is wonderful. Makes me rather wish we really were all pooling our skills together. :D
Welcome to mieuxvaut, deoridhe, Jesper, bluentx and anyone else I missed!
FossilFish:
Love this!
I powered through The Creation of Patriarchy by Gerda Lerner yesterday, since holding a hot compress to my face made it difficult to do much else. It’s a bit dated in places, but really helped me better conceptualize how patriarchy develops and works.
Now that this Sudden Mystery Wisdom Tooth has erupted, my head in general is feeling quite a bit better and the ear infection has cleared up. I’m still really cautious, though, and have resigned myself to spending what little savings I have on a dentist if there’s any pain by Monday or if it gets worse again today. I had a wisdom tooth come in without me even noticing it once before. That time, I don’t think there was any discomfort at all. Just one day I noticed I had an extra tooth.
I may actually be an elephant.
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:56 am
tossing a reference out here: Ambivalent Sexism (the collaboration of Hostile and Benevolent Sexism) review article full text is available “for a limited time” (it went up in 2011, maybe Sage hasn’t noticed.)
Short topic review: http://www.sagepub.com/press/2011/oct/SAGE_PWQ-StudyofAmbivalentSexismv3.sp
Full article: pdf + html link
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:06 am
ooo! forgot the pull quote, but this is a better one anyway: (bolds mine)
That might sum up where the local anti-feminists are coming from, eh? They only recognize overt hostility, only when it’s extreme enough, and tend to misrepresent or misinterpret concepts like Schroedinger’s rapist or unconscious bias as accusations about all-men being awful people compared to all-women.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:10 am
There are two people ’round these parts who have Elvish nyms.
‘Course, Gilliel’s is Quenya, mine is Sindarin. I think that means that Gilliel is more high-class than I am.
Welcome, newcomers!
In about half an hour, I’m going to the doctor. Finally seeing about getting these damn sebaceous cysts chopped off. The big one (and there are several) is bigger around than my thumb and sticks up half an inch. And it isn’t painful per se, but it is starting to feel tight. Pre-painful, I guess. The shits run in my family, so when I started getting them in middle school, my parents were all, “Yep. Sebaceous cyst. When the get big, cut them off. But they’ll regrow.”
Trufax trufax.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:17 am
I commented about this on another thread but that thread was dead thereafter. The subject has probably already been touched on at Pharyangula or elsewhee on FTB but…
Having been raised in and lived most of my adult life in Texas most of my friends and FB ‘Friends’are godbots. I am so sick of the prayer requests and ‘God is so awesome’ posts, some days I contemplate just deleting my account altogether. But then there are other reasons not to.
It seems some of these friends are so invested in their outrage they don’t even do the least bit of research. Case in point:
I just refreshed my FB page to find a long time friend bemoaning the fate of: Judge Roy Moore! She’s seems totally unaware that he is back ‘in’. She’s still fuming about him being removed from office and how the ACLU is trying to ‘strip him of his ability to practice law’!Well, I hope they are but my friend seems unaware that he was reelected!
Yeah, I know they shouldn’t be held accountable just because of… of… facts! *sigh*
broboxley OT:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:21 am
http://www.dayswithoutagoprapemention.com/ in case it hadnt been posted here already
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Oh, bro! That’s a keeper to peruse at length! Thanks!
ChasCPeterson:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:32 am
well, Lee Hays wrote a song along those lines that Pete used to sing a lot in performance.
wait a sec…here, I found the lyrics.
birgerjohansson:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:58 am
I recall an entymologist who died in Africa while researching insect vectors for pathogens. He wanted his body to be consumed by his favourite species of insects.
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“Imagining a future when machines have all the jobs” http://phys.org/news/2013-01-future-machines-jobs.html
Perfect! The one-percenters will be able to do without those pesky “workers”!
(also, see the short SF story “The New Santa Claus”)
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But don’t worry, the computers will probably save some of us for national parks.
Also, see “The Great Computer” by Olof Johannesson (About he eventual obsolescence of humans.
The author was actually Nobel laurate Hannes Alfvén, the one behind “alfven waves”)
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Excellent if depressing article alert – Rebecca Solnit (author of ‘Men Who Explain Things’) with an overview of the current state of rape culture. This should go in everyone’s 101 file.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/rape-and-violence-against-women-crisis
The Mellow Monkey:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:32 am
That is an excellent article, Pteryxx. This passage alone is mindblowing:
Quite a perspective when you look at it all together like that.
birgerjohansson:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:37 am
“A woman is beaten every nine seconds in this country.”
But if you put forward legislation to do something about it, the Republicans can still use the filibuster to stop it.
Democrats -in this case Harry Reid- are fucking useless. One party consists of psychopaths, the other of spineless roundworms.
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You don’t exist in an infinite number of places, say scientists http://phys.org/news/2013-01-dont-infinite-scientists.html
Audley Z. Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
January 25th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Am I going to make cookies this weekend? Fuck yes, I am.
Am I going to share my favorite sugar cookie recipe? Fuck yes, I am!
http://www.annies-eats.com/2011/07/18/soft-frosted-sugar-cookies/
I’ve used this recipe several times now and have always ended up with incredible cookies. Despite what the author says about over-cooking, I’ve found that these cookies are extremely forgiving if left in the oven too long.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Duh. I am so dense sometimes. I can post my idea on PET. That can reach a wide group of people. A bit easier than doing individual emails (though as some are not on there, I still intend to contact a few more peeps individually).
UnknownEric:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Yeah, I feel like that too. It’s why I tend to just pop in occasionally. I tend to feel like, “Oh hey, I know you’re all having a nice conversation here, now let me talk about myself!”
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:24 am
Maybe y’all shy folks could apologize a lot, and then go ahead with whatever you wanted to say? ;>
rq:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
[sneak]
I found this for cicely.
Also, thank you to SallyStrange and, subsequently, FossilFishy, for a delicious laugh about love and dancing. Still one of my favourite activities – dancing with my love, but as it happens, rare these days. ;)
Tony, I’m all for hats and/or t-shirts (but I would prefer hats, I love snazzy hats and would love to wear one anytime, as long as it’s either (a) an all-season hat (needs insulation and ears) or (b) a transformable hat (can be transformed according to season)).
To the de-lurkers: a big welcome, Tony does great drinks, and the various snacks appearing randomly are delicious. For anyone with useful/-less skills, or just a random collection of resources (books, tools, old chemistry sets), or just skills that you think are useless but might be useful in some mystical situation, you can contact either me (a random rq in bold will catch my attention, since I’m currently officially on re-lurk but as things are sorted that will become wander-in-wander-out; e-mail also works, see item#3) or, I suppose, Dalillama, who’s been putting the info online, via here.
And remember, FossilFishy has dibs on random useless skills. ;)
Quick commune note: the information on comments currently appearing on the wiki is not complete. There are a few more comments to ‘finish’ the conversation – might be a formatting issue (.pdf vs. .doc of the documents I sent Dalillama), but if anyone wants the full conversation before it goes up, see item#3 linked above.
*hugs* and *happy jumps* for those in love.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Dianne #165
What camracan describes matches my experience very closely. I will contradict your recommendation, however, in that as fas as I’ve been able to determine there’s fuck-all they can do about it; camracan would be wasting their time and the doctor’s.
I picked up my ‘nym a 15-plus years ago when I was hanging out with Discordians a lot (there’s sometimes a ‘Pope’ attached to the front), and I kept it for a sense of continuity and to keep myself from having to remember a new one. At this point when I see it written, my brain actually inserts my actual name a fair piece of the time.
birgerjohansen
</blockquoteImagining a future when machines have all the jobs” http://phys.org/news/2013-01-future-machines-jobs.html
Perfect! The one-percenters will be able to do without those pesky “workers”!
(also, see the short SF story “The New Santa Claus”)
There’s been a fringe political movement for decades insisting that we implement that kind of thing to the maximum possible extent, and do it yesterday. Then everyone can make a living working 5-10 hours a week and everyone’s happy. (That’s the short version, obviously).
dontpanic:
January 25th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
My father seriously wanted his body (after he died!) to be left out in the desert for the coyotes. I think eventually he realized that there were legal issues, and the potential for freaking out anyone who stumbled across his bones. Now I think my parent’s plan is to scavange (organ/skin donation, etc) what they can, donate the rest to science.
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Currently participating in a meeting by phone — damn frustrating. People not speaking up loud enough; presenters not telling what slide they’re on (and, no, “next slide” isn’t good enough if you’ve confused me so much that I don’t know where you currently are). And then there’s the student who’s working on optimizing step 2 of a chain of computer simulations. So he runs step 1 + 2a, and 1 + 2b, but since he didn’t make the effort to ensure that step 1 is the same in both cases (random #s) then he’s got a 20min presentation that tells me … nothing. The thing is, a month ago he did do it the right way: run step 1, keep the output, feed that to step 2a and in parallel step 2b. I wacked him with a verbal clue-by-4 but … what a waste of his time for the effort and everyone’s time during the meeting. [rage]
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Following up from previous lounge: Dreams. Hmm. For the fifth time in 2 weeks I’ve woken up knowing that I’ve dreamed and remembering bits. That’s about 30% of my lifetime (50+ years) total. DON’T LIKE. Please make stop. They’re not “horrible”, but I just don’t like the whole “dreaming” thing. Hmmm, perhaps I should see the doctor about adjusting the pressure on my sleep apnea CPAP machine.
dontpanic:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Pteryxx
Sorry (how that for a start?)
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I only skimmed the article on infinite repetition but this bit stuck out at me:
Most of the time I see talked about these sort of doppleganger situations the author is not talking about duplication within a universe, but rather duplication of universes. Thus the universe in question needn’t be infinite, you just have to allow for there to be a mulitiverse (collection of universes). Not that I really expect even if there are such things, that there’s one with a “evil Captain Kirk” (goatee beard and all). Infinities are strange things — even if we physicists tend to wave many of the away. Quantum mechanics isn’t discrete in a way that really allows one to “spin” off new universes at every “decision point”. The cat isn’t dead or not dead, it’s dead at time t (or not) or dead at t+Δt (or not), etc. where the time slice becomes smaller and smaller.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Really good article on Feministing: Men shouldn’t need to “imagine if it were your wife/daughter/mother.”
FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist, with anit to pick):
January 25th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Just about 6am here. Sitting on my porch watching a line of thunderheads roll past. Saw at least one ground strike maybe a K away, actually, most likely a little more as I suspect my agitation is upping the tempo of my count.
bluentx We’re okay for the moment, at least in the sense of immanent danger anyway. Mrs. Fishy’s uncle is the closest but they’ve had days to bulldoze containment lines around their house and are well prepared to defend. I am not okay in the anxiety department. This line of storms woke me an hour ago. Normally I love a good thunderstorm when seen from cover. But this is exactly what I was fearing. I’ll be fucking amazed if this hasn’t touched off new fires. All I can hope is that they’re far enough away and small enough that we’ll get the chance to run.
Pteryxx
I know you meant this kindly and all, but despite the winky some shy folks are going to read that as mocking their need to apologise rather than as an invitation.
rq I’m really, really good at riding a bicycle on ice. I live in Australia. It ain’t just hubris that makes me claim the “random useless skill” category as my own. :)
FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist, with anit to pick):
January 25th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Fucking hell, CFA truck just went by, lights on. And another one. Small grass fire and a structure fire according to the website. 20k away 15? Keep the fucker out of the trees anonymous firefighters. If I hear them loft the helicopter we’re outta here.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
So I totally walked across campus for a meeting that was totally in the same building as the one I work in.
And it is 12 degrees and windy.
And I missed the shuttle. Both ways.
Because of course I did.
thunk, hull overheating:
January 25th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
lessee, rq ;
My useless skills would be rudimentary weather prediction, map reading and other ossum geography memorization, piloting (simulated) spaceplanes, and digging up potatoes.
I also have a knack for not falling after slipping on ice.
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
FossilFishy
Don’t those thunderstorms have rain?
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 25th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
*hug* for rowanvt. I consider a feral cat to be roughly equivalent to unexploded ordance found unexpectedly lying around without explanation. Back away sloooooowly….
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Son knows how to make napalm! Can’t do without napalm!
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mieuxvaut: Welcome in!
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I have a serious problem with people messing with My Stuff. *Mine! hssssssss!* I think it’s…territorialness. Of course, most of My Stuff has tended to be books, which have semi-sacred status on their own; but seeing someone (especially a not-friend) rummaging through My Stuff provokes a strong desire to 1) grab My Stuff outta their filthy meat-hooks, and 2) club them over the head, and 3) not explain why they later surface in a number of dumpsters in a three county area.
I have always managed to refrain.
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Also welcome in, deoridhe.
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Except, sometimes, when they do.
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And Huzzah! for reciprocated love.
:)
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Tony: Good luck on your date.
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Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Sorry FossilFishy, and sorry people who don’t feel comfortable speaking up, that’s a good point. I meant to invite y’all to feel free(er) to post, and if you’re concerned about not being an ass to folks then you probably won’t be. I’m just extra snarky today for some reason. <_<
HEY! SHY PEOPLE! COME OVER HERE AND POST MORE! HEY WHERE ARE YOU ALL GOING?…
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Oh shit, FossilFishy (@189) take care out there.
thunk, hull overheating:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Hi pteryxx. Good to see you.
Fossilfishy: Be careful. Fire is hot.
Everyone: yayhi! Good to see you around.
Beatrice:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Could I please get a hug?
It’s possible that I don’t really deserve it because I’m evil. Or I do because I’m being manipulated and convinced by repetition into believing I’m evil. Or crazy. Maybe it’s that. Not sure.
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
*pounces fluffily on Beatrice’s ankles*
…Generally people who are being evil aren’t spending any time worrying about whether they’re being evil or not. It’s likely you’re being manipulated. Hope you have someone to vent to, if not here.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 25th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
*hugs*
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
oh, and heya Thunk, it’s good to see you when you do pass through here. (I fail at consolidating my replies…)
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Hi thunk!
–
*hugs*
Beatrice
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
A delayed thanks, Beatrice. :-)
I’m still in the semi-lurking phase, but I have a feeling this will be a beautiful friendship.
Time for a cup of joe, and this evenings first cancerstick.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Oh, and…
*biiiiiiig hug…..it’s a trifecta*
thunk, hull overheating:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
*big hugs to beatrice*. You deserve them.
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 25th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
WMDKitty: You are not intruding, or forcing your way in!
*hugs*
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Welcome in, Jesper Both Pedersen !
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*looking around suspiciously*
I trust that you are not a Horsist spy.
As the old saying goes: If you lie down with Horses, you’ll get up with peas.
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Caine: What Sophia said. You are truly awe-inspiring in your wrath.
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The Future lied to us, John. Where’s my self-cleaning house? Where’s my gourmet food pills?
Where’s my damned Hoverchair™???
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Dice! Lots and lots of dice! And rulebooks.
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Beatrice:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Thank you all.
Off to bed to try and sleep everything away.
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Rulebooks?
We don’t need no steekin’ rulebooks!
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Beatrice
big *hugs* for when you get up. Also, you’re definitely not evil; I’m sure the Horde would have noticed by now. Indeed, just from the comment you made right here, I can say with as close to absolute certainty as I find in the world that the answer is, in fact, c) you’re being manipulated (or possibly gaslighted, bullshitted, or a few other related terms; I can’t say for certain which one). I say this based on the number of times I have heard exactly those sentiments expressed by people who’s situations I am quite familiar with and I can follow a pattern when i see one.
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 25th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Beatrice: Glad to hear that Boss didn’t freak out.
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Howard and camcarran, welcome in!
(Gang, I think we’re gonna need more chairs.)
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rq, that was a criminal waste of good yarn.
*scowling fiercely*
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*hugs*, moral support, and hopes of good luck for FossilFishy&Family.
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*hot drink* and sympathy for Esteleth.
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*pouncehug* for thunk.
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*hugs* and reassurance for Beatrice. You are not evil, or crazy, or crazy-evil.
“Manipulated” is a strong possibility.
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chigau: If we have no rulebooks, how can we ignore them???
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Caught up at last! Wheeee!
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
cicely
Excellent point.
We need Rulebooks!!
Hekuni Cat, MQG:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
mieuxvaut, deoridhe, Jesper, howard, camcaran – Welcome to the Lounge!
Sally – Congratulations on being in reciprocated love!
The Mellow Monkey – *hugs* I hope you feel better soon.
Beatrice – *hugs*
cicely *pouncehug* Also:
My thoughts exactly.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
In other news, the GP I saw said that she was going to send me to a plastic surgeon. Because in her opinion, the cysts are too big to be handled by a dermatologist.
o_O
She also said to make sure to tell the surgeon that they’re uncomfortable and frequently irritated (and that this shouldn’t be hard, as the big one is covered in scar tissue), so that my insurance will cover the removal.
Menyambal --- son of a son of a bachelor:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Jafafa Hots, if you are still trying to give away that Android phone, I’d like to whine for it. The phone I now have is very far from a smartphone, and I’d love to be able to carry books and music. I need a new phone number to hide from my creditors, and probably to switch over to pay-as-I-go so I have fewer creditors. I’d like a WiFi phone to replace this dying laptop for home internet use, too. And just maybe I could spring for a data plan to get internet when out and about—I could have used that today to post this message earlier.
I use an audio-book player for under my pillow so I can sleep at night, but that’s losing effect. If this phone will let me do internet research at night when I can’t sleep, that will be better. I usually lie awake going around and around about bad obsessions. It has gotten to the point that I am afraid to go to bed, even. If that phone will work as a WiFi browser, or even a game device, it might save my brain.
Yes, please, I’d like that phone.
David Howe:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
So many clam stories.
I got one.
Way back in the 70′s my roommate convinced me to go with his girlfriend and her roommate out to the Cape just before summer season started. Off we went. Motel somewhere out there right on the water.
So we all go out into the water and soon my roommate and his girlfriend leave me with this girl and my feet are digging down in the sand and OMG, I come up with a good sized clam. We are elated and spend close to an hour without finding one more, during which time we slowly rationalize how one clam a sauce could make. We return to the room fully convinced we have the gastromomic ultimate to find that roommate and girlfriend had been shopping and had a coupla pounds of clams !!!
That girl didn’t work out for me.
Not sure if it was the clams though.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Memyambal,
The phone in question can do all of the things you mention, and pay as you go plans are available; I have one. Your claim on it superior to mine, and I relinquish my request for it.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Beatrice, if you’re evil,* you’re the kind of evil I love. Very much. Many hugses to you. ♥
Besides, you are naturally evil, all us women are – we’re a punishment from the gods, ya know, sent as revenge on the poor menfolk. We can’t help it, it’s our nature, everyone (men) says so.**
**Yes, that book Misogyny is inhabiting the brain.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
I’ve now reached early CE and the very early days of Christianity in Misogyny and read this most interestin’ bit:
My, how things change. :D
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
That’s just weird and creepy, caine. The good book….yuk.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
And this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr1I3mBojc0
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Jesper:
This was when Christianity was on the verge of merging with Platonism, which resulted in Catholicism. Paul’s attitudes toward the body had, er, inflamed the minds of early xians. It’s interesting that this happened, given that Christianity was propelled by primarily women. It’s because of women it grew so tremendously (being that early xianity gave women rights which they did not have in non-xian society.)
Now, of course, you have the case of Christians claiming that xianity is the last preserve of family values, traditional values. It’s amusing.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Hehe, yeah it’s amusing. But also a bit scary, ’cause what if the fuckers suddenly thinks they were right all along, if you catch my drift. :-)
Ogvorbis:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
First off, the commune stuff? No problem. If I accidentally wrote anything useful I give full permission for use.
Congrats Sallystrange.
I leave at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow morning. I figure it isn’t cold and snowy enough in Pennsylvania, so I and Wife are headed up to visit my family in Maine. I will be incomputercado until February 1 so, if you don’t hear from me for a while, don’t worry. I’m doing good. Well even.
I got that threat when I was young. Boy has also gotten that threat. Nice to know the nut doesn’t fall far from the acorn.
Queue sappy music:
Those were the days, my friends,
We thought they’d never end,
That they would last forever and a day!
Been there. Done that. Survived. Hugs.
I’ve seen dry thunderstorms out in Montana (while at a forest fire) last for hours. One night, the lightning was so constant I could read my book by it. Scary.
stay safe, Fossilfishy.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Well, they already think that. Most xians are abysmally unaware of the history of their own religion. They just listen to whatever their religious leaders tell them. It’s not like questioning is encouraged. The book I’m reading is about the history of Misogyny, and outside of Plato and Aristotle, xianity is the primary source of the misogyny we still get to deal and live with today.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Oy. Mine @ 223 is a response to Jesper’s @ 221.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Me:
To clarify, xianity took the earlier misogyny, adopted it fully, then *added* the concepts of sin and shame to it, exploding it to a much higher level. (The early Greeks and Romans didn’t have a concept of sin, their gods didn’t work that way, and they weren’t tied into the idea of bodily shame, either.)
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Hugs for Beatrice.
Be careful FossilFishy!
Caine, that boook sounds so interesting.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
IJoe:
It’s a good one, I’m learning a lot. I learned that in 305 BCE, Roman women launched the first recorded public protest movement ever organized by women to abolish the Oppian laws, and “mobbed” the forum for the hearing on said laws and caused a massive scandal, and led Cato to make a befuddled and impassioned speech on the spectacle and horror of women in the streets and at the senate house, concluding with:
So, it would appear that women have been fighting for their rights for a tad bit longer than most people think. :D
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
“Well, they already think that. Most xians are abysmally unaware of the history of their own religion. They just listen to whatever their religious leaders tell them. It’s not like questioning is encouraged. The book I’m reading is about the history of Misogyny, and outside of Plato and Aristotle, xianity is the primary source of the misogyny we still get to deal and live with today.”
I agree to a certain extent.
I’m currently playing( in my head of course ) with the hypothesis that most religious humans know deep deep down that they’re wrong. Their faith simply doesn’t compute with facts, and therefore it isn’t a matter of faith. It’s a matter of fact.
Those who do not are simply con men/women, or sociopaths. And that’s just nasty. But it’s the truth nonetheless, if you accept this hypothesis. :-)
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
I wonder if women all-of-a-sudden doing [odd thing] in the name of Jesus was women who desperately craved autonomy grabbing onto a handy excuse?
And the women refusing their husbands – maybe this was an excuse to say no to a husband who treated them badly in bed and/or getting around having to have more babies?
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Menyambal, the phone is yours.
My gmail account is my name (minus the space) at gmail.
Eurasian magpie:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
@birgerjohansson
You probably mean William D. Hamilton, one of the most important evolutionary theorists of the 20th century. He died in London though.
Here’s an excerpt of an essay he wrote called My intended burial:
Sadly, that is not what happened. He was buried in English soil.
I had the privilege of meeting him once in the early 90s. Very much the eccentric professor but in the good way.
Hekuni Cat, MQG:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Esteleth – *hugs*
Caine:
There’s a shocker. Not. My copy has been mailed. I can’t wait to get it.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Jesper, if you use blockquotes, your posts will be clearer and easier to read:
<blockquote>Place text here</blockquote>
other handy markup:
<i>text here</i> – italics
<b>text here</b> – bold
If you use Firefox, you can get a handy text formatting toolbar.
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
I don’t suppose the Misogyny book has a computer-readable version for those of us without readers? Did it offer y’all a pdf or some such? (Paper’s fine *for me* but difficult to quote extensively…)
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Esteleth:
In this case, no. Women converted to xianity in masses because xianity gave them the right to refuse marriage and to make the choice in regard to reproduction, which earlier Greek and Roman law did not.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Pteryxx:
No pdf in my case, but I went through B&N to get the e-book.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Hmmm, I like quotation marks, though. But tanks for the pro-tip. :-)
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
*h
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Strangely, I read that as “kinky” today instead of “kindly”.
Well I was after I got my ‘Pit Name: Clammy Steel. (And then for some reason Twitter removed most of my follows and followers, making me an unhappy clam.)
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Oh my goodness, turns out Lee The Misogynist Coye is an AVFMer. How veddy unsurprising.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Aratina Cage:
Hmmm. That would make me Rubeola Gin. Heh.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
@Caine,
Rubeola Gin? I love it!
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
So, then, the second theory I posed?
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Aratina Cage:
:D It’s not bad, not bad at all.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
It would seem that my moniker is Tonsillitis Anise.
Ogvorbis:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Hmm.
Apparently, I am Mumps Licorice.
Sounds like a pool hustler.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
@Janine:
Tonsy, for short. ;)
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Sure thing, Clammy.
Hekuni Cat, MQG:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Mine is Varicella Lemongrass.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Concussion Coconut.
(If accidents “count,” that is)
Otherwise, I’m probably Chigger Infestation Coconut.
I think I prefer “Concussion.”
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Since mumps is already in use
Parotitis Cilantro
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Esteleth:
There’s no way to rule it out entirely, but from the context, I’d say it would also be no for most women. This was more of an ecstatic experience, a refusal to give in to the horrible flesh, a desire to utterly eliminate desire. To break the spell of the bed was to break the spell of the world. This was in the early days, shortly after the time when xians believed that Jesus was a comin’ back right quick, so they wouldn’t be stuck with these awful bodies much longer. As belief in that started to fade, there was a sort of headlong descent into militant asceticism. While this militant asceticism was primarily practiced by unattached men, it was infecting all xians to some degree. The emphasis on being virginal was supreme, so women took that route. There’s this bit on militant asceticism:
Ogvorbis:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
chigau:
Mumps Cilantro sounds much better than Mumps Licorice. Go for it.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Hekuni Cat:
Very nice! Reminiscent of Veruca Salt. :D
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
I’m glad I got my DoublePox Schnapps in early.
Funny thing about the schnapps… I almost invariably puke it up. That’s not the funny part, the funny part is that I usually ONLY puke up the schnapps. Everything else in my stomach usually stays put, and the schnapps gets booted out like a drunk getting forcibly removed from a party.
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Oggie
I kinda like Parotitis.
It sounds dangerous.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Mine is… Fifth Banana.
I just had one of those terrible “let’s discuss The Future and Babies” discussions that ended in “I’m leaving and I’ll talk to you later.” I feel like such an utter asshole now. Apparently, he’d been waiting until I was no longer sick to bring up Serious Relationship Talk, which I appreciate, but…ugh. I know I hurt him badly with my answers.
I think tonight is a dark chocolate and Sherlock night.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
All great ones! Surely there must be a few in the Pea family on Pharyngula, too?
–Clammy
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Please, do not seether.
Ogvorbis:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
Lemongrass, coconut, cilantro>
Anyone for some Thai curry?
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
MM:
:falls over laughing: That sounds like a mobster name in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. On reading though, you could also go with Apple Banana or Butterfly P. Banana.
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
DAMN YOU JANINE!!!!!
Now I can do nothing BUT seether… *dances from a sitting position* Can’t fight the seether!(seetheeer-er)
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
@Mellow monkey.
Sounds like he’s acting like a little girl. All offended and not amused by your apparent individuel thoughts.
Mmmmm, dark chocolate and sherlock. I’m right there with you.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
OMG, I’m squee-ing that so many of you are playing my game of find your Pit Name!
You shall address me as Impetigo Lima.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Careful with those gendered insults, Jesper.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
LOL. Spank me with a hitch-slap if i’m crossing any lines. :-)
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
I was a little girl (a while ago) and I never acted like that.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
MM:
Ah hells. Those can run from tough to devastating. My sympathies. Sounds like this one wasn’t easy. A bit of distance is a good thing here. *hugs* ♥
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
And it wasn’t an insult btw. Just a little “fuck him if he can’t handle it”. My five cents, anyway.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Oh, and also too, I’m invited to a baby shower tomorrow. The invitation notes that the couple is registered at “diapers.com.” Jesus H. Christ tomatoes in a sidecar.
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
That babby in the Pfft article on ‘Fifth’ looks pretty cheerful.
Ermine:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
So that would make my ‘Pit name.. Um.. Jaundice Marmite? Would that be considered an illness? If not, it’d be.. Hepatitis Marmite. Noooooooo!
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Jesper:
Let’s get something very clear here – we do not indulge in gendered slurs/insults nor rank sexism of this kind. It is not a laughing matter, and if you think it is, then going the fuck away would be your best choice.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Jesper:
Using gendered terms to call out “shameful” behavior is, in fact, an insult, even when we don’t intend for it to be. It’s the same thing as calling someone’s reaction “bitchy.” Doesn’t matter if the target is a man or woman. The implication is bitch=womanly=bad or worthy of contempt.
Applies also to “gay” as a synonym for “undesirable.”
That’s how we roll here.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Than fucking sat that. Nothing wrong with being a little girl. Many of us were at some point.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Jesper:
The fuck it wasn’t. You compared MM’s partner to a little girl. That pretty much tells of us a lot about how you think, and it isn’t pretty. You were being flat out sexist. There’s no defense.
By the way, a lot of us here do not fit into the het cis box, so watch it.
FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist, with anit to pick):
January 25th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Thanks for the concern folks. Sorry about my previous, by the light of day and a couple more hours sleep they look a little dramalama.
The CFA kicked ass once again and the new fire is contained already and more importantly they managed to stop it getting into the bush. Once the bub is old enough to help defend the new, actually defensible house I’m joining up. Helping others in the future is the best way I can think of to repay those keeping us safe right now.
Chigau, even wet thunderstorms can throw lightning kilometers away from where it’s raining. And it’s dry here in a way that I never experienced back in the old country. So dry that when the weather radar is showing light rain you can be pretty sure none of it’s reaching the ground. It simply evaporates as it falls. It’s going to a good week or so soaking to really make any difference in how flamable everything is. Every fire that has been a concern to us has been started by lighting.
Anyway, were good, thanks again folks.
Oh and my ‘pit name: Croup Cilantro
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Damn, that escalated quickly. I’m here to stay, though, like or not.
Just for the record: I don’t give a sh*t about gender roles.
A human is a human and I love humans.
So, up yours. ;-)
Nutmeg:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Hmm….Scarlet Fever Black Licorice doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue. What else don’t I like? Ooh!
I shall be Scarlet Mango.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Jesper:
And since you’re new here, let me offer you some friendly (really, not being snarky) advice. Do not—do not—come back and defend it, or tell people they’re over-sensitive, or that you don’t mean it that way. Don’t. This has been a very serious, very painfully fought issue here, and the reasons we don’t use those slurs are legitimate. Have enough respect, please, to do some reading in the archives and respect the mores built up here as a newcomer who, through no fault of his own, does not have all the backstory yet.
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
oo, I wanna be Snakebit Mint.
(All the first options were, perhaps fortunately, taken.)
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Jesper:
Let me guess, which you think excuses your sexism. It doesn’t. I don’t give a flying fuck about whether or not you are “here to stay”. Take your sexism and shove it.
SC (Salty Current), OM:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Bitter Dysplasia.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Also, Jesper, it’s not up to you, staying. That’s up to PZ.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
I learn by doing. That’s how I roll.
If you guys can’t handle that, then ignore me and I’ll go away eventually.
You’ll be losing one hell of a scientist, though.
Your choice.
SC (Salty Current), OM:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Dysplasia Bitters?
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
If you actually been paying attention, you would know these two things.
First, no gendered insults.
Second, you can fucking spell out swear words.
Also, if you do not give a shit about gender roles, why the crack about acting like a little girl.
Or is that beyond gender?
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
SC:
Bitter Dysplasia or Dysplasia Bitter, that needs to be a character name, stat.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Caine, if you really think I’m being sexist, what does that tell you about gender roles?
SC (Salty Current), OM:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
You take good care now, out there on the road.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Yeeaaah, no. Ain’t nothing wrong with being a little girl, but a lot wrong with using it as an insult.
chigau, I may well have been as happy as the wiki babby, too. It was a mild illness for me, and I got to look all cool and colorful!
Caine:
*hugs* Thanks. I think spending a little time apart for him to sort through his feelings and us both to think is probably the best thing we can do at this moment. We love each other, but there are some serious differences and problems that need to be addressed. I’m hoping this doesn’t turn into a Big Thing, but if it does… c’est la vie.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
I think so. That’s why I went with Clammy. Oh, and ewwww!
Very athy.
The original!
Fifth Banana is going to scare the crap out of the Pitsters. :)
One of my favorites!
I still love saying your Pit Name. It gives the lips a bit of a workout.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Jesper, you’re stepping on a land mine. Please don’t do that. Please extend good faith and understand you’re talking to people who are sick to death of sexism, homophobia, ableism, classism, and lots of other thoughtless prejudices. Many have been the targets of this in dramatic ways.
We all harbor these linguistic tendencies, we’re all soaking in them, and we all make mistakes. This is not a proclamation of JESPER IS EVIL.
But do learn, and don’t have the insouciance to overplay your hand. You’ve got no cred here yet anymore than I’d have political capital to spend walking into a poker round never having played a hand in my life and demanding the table let me in lest they “lose a hell of a fun guy.”
Don’t be that guy.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Josh, I do not think that Jesper read your advice.
Ogvorbis:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Ignoring sexism, whether overt or covert, intentional or accidental, makes sexism acceptable so no, I will not ignore you when you make a gendered insult.
I’m sure there are scientists out there who understand gendered insults and just why they are bad.
Eurasian magpie:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
I wants to play too! My pit name is…
Strep cilantro.
I likes it.
@Jesper Both Pedersen
It was clear that Mellow Monkey was talking about a man. So, why did you choose to write “like a little girl” rather than little boy? Think about it.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
You know, given the refusal to blockquote and the casual sexism, Jesper is reminding me of Douglas, the top yootube commenter, who refused to blockquote or give any consideration to his casual sexism either.
Hmmm.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Nope. I’m not big on archives. They have a tendency to try to define what is wrong and what is right.
And that’s just silly. Wrong or right depends on the situation, not on the “accepted behaviour”.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
*muffled laughing into hand* Badass.
Very cool. :)
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Yes, yes, you’re a genius. We’re not a lab, why in the fuck would it matter? There are all manner of fields represented here. You aren’t a special snowflake.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
OK, gloves off.
Go fuck yourself, asshole. I bent over backwards to be calm and non-accusatory. You’re reacting like an entitled shit head. Guess what? You’re not entitled to anything and people are gonna rip your shit from stem to stern pal.
Why be such an ass?
Ogvorbis:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
So you claim there are times when gendered insults are right? Fuck you.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
I wrote “like a little girl”, because little girls have a tendency to get easily offended. Some boys too, but mostly girls. And no, not all girls behave this way, I know. Stop being so sensitive people. It leads very easily to a sense of “offence”.
I used to work at a kindergarten btw.
The kids loved me.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Jesper, you just might be mistaken about your claim to be here for a long time.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Also, the lounge is for friendly chat. If you wanna keep up your shit, Jesper, let’s take it to the Thunderdome.
Ogvorbis:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
And xe actually doubles down on hir sexism.
Please leave.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
LOL. That’s about how much some people actually do love cilantro.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
MM:
Yeah, there’s not much more to say. At least you know that these talks sometimes result in deal breakers. I really hope that doesn’t turn out to be the case, there’s little sense in ignoring it though.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
This from the person who claims not to give a shit about gender roles.
But the little girls are easily offended. But not all.
So not sexist.
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Jesper Both Pedersen
This is the Lounge.
It is heavily moderated.
I’m sure the regulars are ready to take this to the Thunderdome.
How about you?
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Janine:
If this crap continues, I’m sending an alert. I had a feeling, I did, when Jesper first appeared, which is why all he got from me was a “hello” and not a welcome.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Damn, I hope PZ has a bit more sense of ball to the walls, ladies and gents. So to speak.
Anyway, it’s his call. Y’all are just being nasty and closeminded atm.
Good vibes peeps, good vibes.
*pours another cup og joe, and lights up another cancerstick*
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
*of
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
So he goes full-on troll. Which one are you a sock puppet of you dumb fuck?
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Jesper:
You’re harshing the vibe.
(Take it to Thunderdome)
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Remember this the next time some hand-wringer whines about how people will listen to reason if you just say it to them nicely.
No, no they won’t, not when they get their kicks being a smegweasel.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Huh. I’m so glad the “og” was corrected. GrammarZimportant!
Ogvorbis:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
G’night.
Hitting the road at 4:00am so I gotta go to bed.
Talk to y’all next month.
Jesper? Take this to Thunderdome and keep it there. Please.
Jadehawk:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
pointing out sexist language is actually neither of those things.
As an aside, I’d like to point out that the lounge is heavily moderated. Fights like are supposed to be moved to the Thunderdome or else abandoned. Continuing them here will not end well.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Night Oggie!
Menyambal --- son of a son of a bachelor:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Jafafa Hots, thank you profoundly. I sent an e-mail to your G-mail.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Yup, spelling can be important sometimes. And alas, there is no edit function.
Ermine:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Jesper, friendly warning – LISTEN to people here when they take the time to explain something to you! Something that can be resolved at the beginning with a simple “Whoops, you’re right, that was dumb of me, sorry!” can put a serious long-term blot on your reputation if instead you double-down and insist that you’re going to do things your way, whether it hurts others here or not.
This is the First Rule of Holes: When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING! Really, they’ve got you dead to rights here. You said something unthinkingly sexist, we all do now and then. The question that you’re answering for the rest of us now is, “What happens when they get called on their mistakes?”
So far, your response isn’t looking very good, and the goodwill of the Horde is likely draining away rapidly. Mine certainly is. Your responses just while I was writing this are almost enough to convince me to write you off already, but I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and finish this reply, giving you the time to read it and (hopefully) stop and -think- for a moment before responding.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 25th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
So… how does one find their “Pit Name”?
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
@Jesper
*WOOOOSH* over your head.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
WMD Kitty:
Take the name of the first childhood illness/injury you know of then add to it the flavor of food you hate the most.
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Jesper:
Your incapacity is not the issue.
Yeah, there is: see the button that is labelled ‘preview’ next to the ‘submit comment’ button?
PZ Myers:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Jesper: read the OP. THIS IS A HIGHLY MODERATED THREAD. You are being an arrogant ass and breaking all the rules and expectations, while not contributing anything of interest. Keep it up and you will be banned with no regrets on my part…your departure would be no loss at all.
Jadehawk:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Mumps Budweiser?
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Josh:
Anglicised, I would be ‘colic brains’.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Thanks, John. :-)
I’ll make sure to use that one instead of double posts.
The hivemind is strong in this one, btw.
And no, I’m not trolling. Not at the moment, anyway.
Jadehawk:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
great. and who’s going to pay the medical bill for the muscle I just sprained while rolling my eyes at this?
PZ Myers:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Yes, you are trolling. Continue to disrupt the discussion here with your narcissism, and I will not be kind.
morgan:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Caine, my apologies, but could you repost the title of the book you are currently reading? I’ve scrolled way back, to no avail, and have tried the search function unsuccessfully. Many thanks.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Hah!! I tried pomegranate flavored Michelob Light a short while ago. Nearly puked.
*side-piercing pain from laughter*
Eurasian magpie:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
How can you hate the taste of budweiser when it does not have any?
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Check, PZ. Maybe my lurking days aren’t quite over yet.
Stay cool peeps, and try to relaxe a bit.
Smoke some weed, and look at the universe. It’s a brain teaser.
*goes to the bar and orders some hard liqour, looking grumpily at all the folks that seems to be having fun*
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 25th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Hmmm.
Pneumonia Tofu
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
These Pit Names are killing me! MOAR.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
John:
:falls over laughing:
Morgan:
Sure thing. It’s Misogyny: The World’s Oldest Prejudice, by Jack Holland.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Just relax and go back to lurking.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
You know, I remember years ago, when I said some stupid shit on a message board. I made generalizations about how “women” act in relationships versus how “men” behave. Everyone jumped on me. I got defensive. I left that community. Not long after that, I started figuring out exactly what was wrong with what I had said.
I feel shame over that. Every time I see someone acting like I did that day, I flash back to that and just feel so ashamed and wish I could take back every stupid, essentialist bit of crap I spewed. I can’t, though. All I can do is watch myself and try to avoid ever doing it again, and apologize if I do, and take every step I can to help improve the world. As awful as that shame is, it keeps me aware of myself and careful.
I keep hoping that maybe even the ones who double down and refuse to admit that they’re wrong will, eventually, feel that shame and learn from the experience. I don’t think it’s very likely in this case, though.
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Josh, so I asked my SO (I actually asked the question context-free) and her response was ‘Migraine Oyster’.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Janine:
:cough: That sounds very much like Lie back and think of England, dear.
:D
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
My dinner has been ruined by that name. :’(
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Migraine Oyster. Sounds like a misfit superhero.
SC (Salty Current), OM:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
So good. The first has a ’30s ring to it.
***
I nearly puked just reading that.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
@ PZ. Look at the post that started the “trolling”. I was trying to comfort MM.
The wording was a bit off perhaps, but the intention was fucking real.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
John, “Migraine Oyster” is top-tier.
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
I saved this cite via Caine because folks need it so very often.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
*jazzhands*Intent is magic!*jazzhands*
morgan:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Thanks Caine, much appreciated.
Pit Names: Bronchitis Okra or Impetigo Bell Pepper
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
@Janine
LOL
*makes a futile attempt at jazzhands and goes John Travolta pulp fiction on the dancefloor*
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Oh, and new peeps/lurkers, the preview function makes yer paragraphs and links look like hell. It’ll usually come out right in the post. (And youtube links will autoplay unless they’re wrapped in a set of a href= tags.)
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Jesper:
Crispy Christ onna stick. You just won’t get a fucking clue, will you? What in the fuck makes you think PZ would be impressed by your “intent”? Intent is not magic.
You’re just looking to be banned, which, at this point, I’d be fine with. You looking to get your pitstar, Cupcake?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
*snicker* I don’t think so Tim….
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
It was not “off”. It was rank sexism.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Caine, please explain how you define sexism.
If you insist on calling sexism bullshit on this one, I’d like to know how you came to that conclusion.
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Mine doesn’t work. Too many words.
I have a choice between Nocturnal Enuresis Oyster, Transverse Fracture Oyster or Greenstick Fracture Oyster (I was only 4, I know both bones in my arm were broken through but dunno for sure how badly since I was 4).
If I can alter it a little, I’ll go with Transverse Oyster since I play ocarina (transverse ocarina).
(It may have just been how the oysters were cooked, though.)
Problem is I tend to deliberately unremember foods I detest.
I also don’t know for sure what my first injury or illness was.
THIS STUFF ISN’T SUPPOSED TO BE SO HARD!!!!
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
MM
*hugs* Hopefully things turn out well with SO.
Jesper
Please stop fucking about in the Lounge. I come here to relax, dammit.
My name would be Impetigo Durian or Head Injury Coconut.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Jafafa Hots:
Oooh, what about Greenstick Oyster? That’s got a swingin’ sound to it.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Hehe, sorry Dali, I can be a bit rowdy and clumsy at times. But i aim to have fun….
*cheeeeers*
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Jesper, you ignored or snottily dismissed all of the many previous explanations. Why should anyone expect that repeating them means that this time you’ll listen?
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Jesper: either shut up or take your pathetic shit to Thunderdome. I’m about 3 seconds away from sending a second alert.
SC (Salty Current), OM:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
I’ve decided that Bitter Dysplasia and Dysplasia Bitters are twins. In a kind of Parent Trap style, one remained in England while the other returned to Italy to exact revenge on the evil Campari clan who’d orchestrated her family’s dislocation in the nineteenth century.
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Jesper, Thunderdome, thataway. *wavewave*
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/01/20/thunderdome-15/#respond
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 25th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
It’s starting to look like someone wants a hairball on his shoes…
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
I like that too.
Since I can never think of names for my compositions, maybe my next tune will be called “Greenstick Oyster.”
(Since what I compose ranges from vaguely classical to vaguely impressionist, the names I come up with are usually jarringly ill-fitting.)
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
I know it’s petty of me, but I quite dislike entitlement, and I particularly dislike it when people consider a privilege to be a right.
(Jesper, you’re still here, and this still ain’t the Thunderdome)
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
@Caine
I guess that’s settled then, and fuck you too.
*heads of to the thunderdome*
SC (Salty Current), OM:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Greenstick Oyster Jump.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
SC:
Oh, perfect!
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Makes me think of how a tiny octopus might feel slurping down a gigantic oyster.
*sorry grin through teeth*
Impetigo Bell or Impetigo Pepper sound great, too. :)
Heehee. I didn’t know oyster was so hated round here.
I had the same problem. I went with “steel” because I detest the taste metal forks leave in my mouth.
I like the “H.I. Coconut” potential, but durians are much more dangerous and “I. Durian” isn’t too bad, either.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
SC:
Now I desperately want this to be a movie or book.
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
That would either have to be something from the 1940s or 1950s pop charts, or better yet a rag.
I could never compose a rag though.
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
SC:
Could you throw in a little Tomax/Xamot from 1980s G.I. Joe cartoons? You punch one and the other one goes down with a busted lip?
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Well I only had them once, it coulda been in the cooking.
I’d happily try them again as long as an EMT was standing by. (Though I’m far more afeared of crab & lobster, I think I may be allergic.)
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
well I’m glad I was busy all day long and couldn’t get into the lounge .
Dalillama, IJoe, Esteleth:
it looks like opening this restaurant is going to keep me busy for the next few weeks . I do not think I will have the time to work on that special project I mentioned. Dammit.
billingtondev:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
FossilFishy
Wishing you and yours Happy Australia Day!
Yay for two flags.
Hope those storms have brought some precipitation close and kept the fires at bay. All fingers crossed for you.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
The alert I sent about Jesper read “Alert: sexist in the lounge”. Now I have that scene from the first Potter flick of Quirrel running in and yelling “Troll in the dungeon!” running through my head.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Now I feel deprived. Caine’s alert didn’t end with a theatrical fake faint.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
MM:
Oh dear. Sorry about that. However, don’t despair, Jesper might have a theatrical swooning session soon, in Thunderdome, where he continues his sneering over the notion of sexism.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
I have been lucky to not know that fear. I have had it happen a couple of times where I ate a spoiled version of a food I loved and, after recovering from that, felt repulsed by it for more than a decade.
:) It did kind of go that way.
SC (Salty Current), OM:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Huh. My first thought was a rag, but I didn’t like the sound of it, and love the juxtaposition of oyster and jump. I didn’t know jumps weren’t around in the ’30s. Learned something new – thanks!
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Speaking of migraines… off to take meds.
Migraines, yourgraines, we all scream from migraines.
SC (Salty Current), OM:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Ooh, that would be an interesting twist!
And don’t get me started on the “bittersweet” theme…
carlie:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Scarletina Brussels, at your service.
Jafafa Hots, I got my son an ocarina (OF TIME) last Christmas. I learned all the notes it was capable of and a few songs, but then I put it down and probably couldn’t quite do it now without an hour of refresher.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
I am seriously not sure if I should be “Concussion Coconut” or “Chigger Infestation Coconut.”
The concussion came first (I was 18 months old). But does that count? And are chigger infestations more nymworthy?
Also, I just spent 40 minutes watching Bio-Rad ads trying to determine which is the funniest.
throwaway:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
I would feel honored to be checked on my privilege by any of you. Except PZed, who seems to only correct the most egregious offenses with frightening red text and the scowl of a million demonic brows.
Jadehawk:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Concussion Coconut sounds better (and for some reason, makes me think of a lounge singer’s stage name)
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 25th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Ogvorbis: Safe travelling, and have fun.
-
I am Ear Infection Peas.
-
*hug* for The Mellow Monkey.
-
It haz a flavor, all right—and not a nice one!
-
runcibald:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Supposedly PZ has agreed to a discussion on “trolling, internet freedom, and the future of the internet” with youtubers C0nc0rdance, TheSkepticalHeretic and TheTruePooka.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Sounds like a name out of a fairy tale.
Hey! The first child of the Peas family! Welcome. :)
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
runcibald, I reckon if PZ had done so, he’d have put it on his blog.
(Obviously, the clear implication is that he has not done so)
–
PS Naked links to YouTube are pointless to me; I will not click on them.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Actually, PZ did retweet True Pooka. So I’m guessing it’s really happening.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Cicely:
Otitis Media Peas sounds better. ;)
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Concussion Coconut… lounge singer… How convenient for us.
“Hit it, Esteleth! Show us what ya got!”
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
The naked youtube link goes to TheTruePooka’s posted video titled “PZMyers, C0nc0rdance, TheSkepticalHeretic &TheTruePooka”. Other videos by the same youtuber include “ZinniaJones: Incorrect X 3″, “GirlWritesWhat and AVoiceForMen: HATE?!” and “ANTI-MALE PEDOPHILIA-HYSTERIA!!!”
No I didn’t load the video. *patpats Noscript*
billingtondev:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Catarrh Coriander
(corinader = the Other *cough proper cough* name for cilantro)
There’s some discussion that there’s a genetic component to the dislike of coriander. I.e. those that don’t like it have the ability to taste a chemical that others can’t. My daughter hates it as well – neither of us is fussy eaters.
http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic
I just don’t get it with the Jesper types.
What exactly is there to lose by paying attention to what people say is acceptable behaviour in their own place? You don’t even have to understand it. Just respect it.
I’ve been to places where it was not acceptable to; step over other peoples legs; touch someones head without permission; sit on any surface that is used to prepare or serve food; sit on a pillow that someone will use to put their head on – etc. I don’t fully understand all these things – but it cost me absolutley NOTHING to respect them. And to apologise if I screwed up and forgot them every so often.
I just don’t get it. Or at least trying to get it just jangles my brains.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
@John Morales & Pteyrxx: The link to the blogmeister’s comment-free retweet of TheTruePooka: link. That’s why it seems legit to me.
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
It is, or has been, Robbie Burns day.
Jafafa Hots:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Otitis media pisum sativum. or maybe O. Pisum for short?
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Pitname?
First illness-chicken pox
First injury-mild concussion from being hit on the head with a baseball
Hated food 1- chitterlings
Hated food 2- peas
I rather like Concussion Chitlins or Pox Pea.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Tony, how about Pox Chitterling?
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 25th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Caine:
At that age, I’m sure I couldn’t tell the difference.
:D
-
*theatrically throwing arms wide for an embrace*
Brother!
:D
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Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Actually, I was in leg braces at the age of two, which came long before the measles, so I could also be Genu V. Gin.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
First illness/injury? Who knows, here’s a guess..
Seperation Anxiety*(Canned) Asparagus**
* I went home from the hospital a week before my mom was allowed to.
** Love fresh, well prepared asparagus. It’s the commercially canned, overcooked crap I can’t stand!
Just call me: Anxiety Asparagus for short, won’t you?
thunk, hull overheating:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
My most reviled flavour is hard to tell. Most of the foods I would revile the most I have not touched. I’d have to go by smell here.
Same with my first childhood illness. That would make my name Kimchi Collarbone, or Kimchi Migraine (I love those). I probably have something earlier I can’t quite remember.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
Robbie Burns?
athyco:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Huh. ‘Pit names are weird: Otitis Media Sashimi.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Thunk:
This one is fab. Sounds like a comic book supermodel.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Caine:
That works nicely :)
****
I am having the absolute BEST experience with the new job. I feel respected, desired, appreciated, welcome and just right at home. The restaurant is run by a lovely lesbian couple who feel like the cool older sisters I never had. We have several openly gay employees and I think they said there is a trans* man as well. Everyone I have met is friendly and accepting. I just…wow!
****
Why do I feel driving around in a car with a cracked windshield and dents somehow reflects on my character? I feel like I am going to be judged for having issues with my car. Maybe it is all in my head. Has anyone else ever felt this way?
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
^separation.even.. Hail Tpyos!
Someone will tell Ogvorbis (when he gets back) that I have reformed. I misspelled Tpyos my first time out! *The Shame, The Shame!*
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Tony:
Anyone who would judge you on that basis is an asshole, so what do you care? Besides, beaters have an advantage – carjackers and car thieves aren’t interested in them.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Tony
Glad the new job is working out well. The car is a huge, huge, status symbol in the States, and there’s all kinds of cultural bullshit surrounding what car you drive, etc. etc., with all the usual classist, sexists stuff coming into determining what the ‘best’ car to have is.
MikeG:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Threadrupt, but I noticed a call for wiki releases re the commune, so I thought i’d get that out of the way. Anything I say here can be put in the wiki, I hereby release, indemnify, codify, and nixthamilize anything I say here for pharyngula wiki use.
Off to catch up.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Tony:
My first car was a ’67 Dodge Dart– that I got in 1981. Talk about a beater! But I just named it after a B-52′s song and drove it ‘fast as the speed of light’ and went on.* Loved that car!
*Yeah, I know. Not the right make but close enough.
Good luck with the job!
rorschach:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Shopping in Bangkok. Read “slim fit” as slimepit in a clothes store. I blame Aratina Cage. And I guess it’s a hint to get off the internet more often…
Improbable Joe:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Yay Tony, I’m glad that the job is working out. You deserve good things!
Nutmeg:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Yay for Tony’s new job!
John Morales:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
Tony,
It is irrational that this makes me happier.
(But good)
chigau (違う):
January 25th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Tony
yay for the good job
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Tony, you’re in FL, right? Last I heard, windshield repair/replacement is free there by law (insurance company has to pay full amount).
Heehee. I breathe life into their nightmares of persecution.
MikeG:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
ok. I think i’m caught up. Misogynist seems to have vacated, fires seem to be away from the Fishies, Oggie:safe travels, and assorted and sundry other things that have been well addressed by others. It’s amazing how behind one can get when one’s sister visits, then one gets hammered by the flu.
I just have to mention my pit name: Jaundice Fois Gras. I like it. Sounds like a super spy, or a Batman villain.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Mike G:
Oooh, such style! Definitely a villain. In a tight catsuit.
bluentx:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
“I breathe life into their nighmares of persecution.”–I just may have to steal that line.
If/when I get up the nerve to change my ‘religious’ status (to atheist) on FB and post the links/comments I REALLY want to, I’m sure some of my ‘friends’ will cry PERSECUTION!
deoridhe:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
*offers The Mellow Monkey comforting hugs if wanted*
I so feel you on the whole “flashbacks to a bigoted me” thing. Sometimes I seriously cringe at what I’ve done! I found some sort of peace in figuring out ways to explain why I was wrong and explaining it when I see other people acting like me. It gives me the sense that at least my ill actions aren’t wasted, you know? I can’t change the past, but I can learn from it and try to both be better and bring other people with me.
Pteryxx:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
Anyone up for some technical paper critique?
Scuse me if folks covered this already, the paper’s from Oct last year – calculating the decay rate of DNA under near-ideal conditions from a set of moa bones:
http://www.nature.com/news/dna-has-a-521-year-half-life-1.11555
From the abstract:
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/279/1748/4724
A friend asked me to check it over, and as far as I can tell it looks tight – they covered their butts with multiple repetitions of their qPCR, checked it against collagen extracts and so on – but I can’t tell if they were too generous with their data interpretations to fit them into their decay rate model. That’s where my little two-cylinder math brain burned out. Anyone happen to have an opinion on their choices of datasets here?
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 25th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Guys, I feel like I’m the only one flagging the hateful comments here.
Her son received a note/poem from a male admirer, and handled it with grace and understanding, and now she’s getting hate-bombed by horrible, horrible people. Some of them are probably just trolling, but the comments (some threatening!) are still very highly disturbing.
Aratina Cage:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Or even Chitlin Pox. :)
Kimchi Collarbone it must be!
Perfect.
Regal sounding.
Hahaha!
The ‘pit will never know what hit them.
mildlymagnificent:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:01 am
I think I’ll have to go with Mumps Curry.
Can’t be sure if it’s the first childhood illness – unless you want to include “knocked over by a huuuuge, towering beast in the milking yard when I was four” as the first physical injury I can remember. Mumps was memorable because it ‘hit’ on Xmas Day – I was OK when the first course was served. Finished up in bed, unable to eat my portion of pudding – and crying with the pain because my rotten cousin and my rotten sister made me laugh.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:22 am
A 12th century Abbot, on the subject of all those pesky nuns.
Nutmeg:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:31 am
Hey, can someone talk me down from a middle of the night “Oh god I have melanoma” freakout?
I have lots of moles. I’ve already had a few sliced off at the recommendation of my dermatologist. I saw her in September, and she didn’t notice anything wrong with this mole, although I didn’t specifically ask about it. The mole I’m worried about is on my face and appeared a few years ago, with hairs that I need to pluck. A few months ago, it started sprouting a bunch more hairs (I have weird hormonal stuff going on and hair growth everywhere), and of course removing a hair every couple of days causes irritation. So it’s now less flat than it used to be, and it looks bigger but I think that’s scar tissue. Plus I had a big zit there a few weeks ago so there’s zit-related scar tissue too. And there’s also a couple spots darker pigmentation that looks like it’s under the skin.
Okay, I know that sounds totally terrible and is basically all the warning signs for melanoma. I noticed the changes before Christmas and made an appointment with my dermatologist; that’s Feb. 14th. But now I’m freaking out and thinking that I should have been much more aggressive and I’ve waited too long. So I’m hoping that the darker pigmentation could actually be the roots of hair follicles, and the slight raised-ness is scar tissue and irritation? Or that even if it is melanoma, the changes are too recent for it to have spread?
I have an appointment with my family doctor next week to get the weird hair growth stuff checked out, and I’ll ask him if he thinks the mole is something that can’t wait 2 more weeks. But if anyone has reassurance that hair growth and scar tissue can make moles look a lot scarier than they really are, that would be great.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Nutmeg, all kinds of things could cause what you describe. It sounds like there’s been a great deal of irritation, so I wouldn’t panic just yet. If you’re really freaked and feel like you’re going to stay freaked, call your dermatologist back up and say you can’t wait, you’re having an extended panic attack and need to see someone now.
Nutmeg:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:47 am
Thanks, Caine. I see my family doctor on Tuesday morning, and I have a family member who’s a vet and can look at it before then. If my family doctor thinks it’s freakout-worthy, he can probably get me in somewhere quickly.
I guess it’s a law of the universe that I must only freak out while everyone in meatspace is sleeping.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:50 am
Nutmeg:
Any time I injure myself in a manner requiring medical intervention, it’s on a Sunday in the middle of the night. :D
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:56 am
Can you call the dermatologist and tell them what you think it might be, get the appointment moved up?
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:56 am
Nutmeg
I don’t know about moles per se, but I’ve certainly seen effects like you describe from acne and hair removal on skin in general. I’m not a doctor or anything, though.
bluentx:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:58 am
Nutmeg:
*hugs* if you want ‘em
Haven’t had exactly you situation but can empathize.
11/29/12 I had a biopsy on a cyst/growth. Benign but it seemed to take for ever to hear that.
This Great American Healthcare System (TM) ya know. Sooo much better that that commie Canadian/British/etc. system where you have to wait fooooor evvver.
In rural ‘Merica I only had to drive 150 miles round trip, with a 3-4 week delay before getting the OB-GYN appointment,a $50 specialist co-pay fee and wait another two weeks for tests results. During the already stressful holiday season..
It’s the 21st century and there is not one gyno in my whole county?!With a new multi-million dollar county hospital and half the population female they don’t have even ONE full time gynocologist on staff– just a once-a-month TRAVELING gyno!!!???
/rant
So, yes Nutmeg vent all you want! I ‘get’ you and I’ve got your back!(If you want ) ; )
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 12:59 am
Every last medical emergency I can remember having has happened between 1 and 3 AM. Gallbladder? 2AM. Hernia (incisional, result of removing aforementioned gallbladder)? 1AM. Pinched nerve in back? 1AM. Twice in one week, even.
I’m honestly not sure how the Emergency dept. stays busy during daylight hours.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:01 am
Aratina:
Yes, I live in FL. I have full insurance, so I can get my windshield repaired for free. I just haven’t been able to keep my car in one location for long enough.
****
My date was ‘enh’. Not bad, but there was no chemistry. He seems nice, but I had to work hard to draw a conversation out of him.
Nutmeg:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:08 am
Thanks for the reassurances/commiseration, everyone. I’m feeling a little better. Night-owl atheists FTW, eh?
If my family doctor thinks it’s at all worrisome, I will be super-aggressive about getting things done.
One of the folks on PET had similar problems with a mole and hormone imbalances, and it resolved when the hormone issues were treated, which reassures me somewhat. Although if slicing the damn thing off so I can stop thinking about it is an option, that sounds pretty good.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:11 am
sgbm:
Thou hast been missed by this shoop. I hope all is well.
bluentx:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:13 am
12:07am childbirth- after 17 hours of labor …
2:00 am emergency room check-in for kidney stones…
Fun times!
And that doesn’t include the ER doctor ,when I was 11 y/o. By the time he examined me my back pain had eased so he couldn’t find anything wrong. When my mother was out of the room he told me “Your parents should take you home and beat the shit out of you for lying.!”
The ambulance driver (who was also one of the local morticians) ‘diagnosed’ my problem on my way out of the hospotal– “Probably a pinched nerve or muscle.”He was right I’ve had both multiple times since.
Xanthë:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:13 am
Or, phone the dermatologist to ask if you can get on a waiting list in the event that someone makes a cancellation — these days all of the specialists and major medical practices seem to send out SMS messages asking for a confirmation 24 hours ahead of the consultation (since missed appointments are expensive wastes of time), so they presumably are in the position where appointments at short notice can become available. Best of luck.
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:25 am
Thanks, Tony! Yeah, I’m good.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:28 am
Dalillama, IJoe, Nutmeg, bluentx, chigau:
Thank you for the well wishes.
****
Hugs to all in The Lounge. I got to discuss this place tonight to our IT/jack of all trades guy. He opened up about his low self esteem and lack of confidence. I shared with him the fact that this community has been a tremendous boon to me.
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:31 am
Good morning
Totally ‘rupt but slowly feeling better again.
Even had coffee this morning.
And now for a moment of internalized female guilt:
So, I spent most of yesterday in bed (on the plus side, I finally managed to read the first two hunger games books). So, when Mr. came home from work he picked up food, piled up the kids, did laundry, made supper, got the kids ready for bad and I got a damn bad conscience about lying lazily in bed while he was working non-stop. Until I realized that I do this 5 out of 7 fucking days…
Beatrice:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:50 am
Thanks for the kindness, everyone.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:09 am
Beatrice:
IIRC, you requested hugs earlier. If you still want them, I have a pair of arms ready to provide as much as you need.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 26th, 2013 at 2:12 am
So I guess my pit name is Dehydration…
…
…I’m having a hard time thinking of foods where the taste bothers me more than the texture. O.o
Let me get back to you on that.
Also, I went to a bar and totally socialized with like 7 different people :D
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 26th, 2013 at 2:14 am
No, wait, at least twice that.
*mental counts* yeah, that’s about right. O.o
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:20 am
Azkyroth:
Alright!
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 26th, 2013 at 2:26 am
Well, talked at some length with 8 people. Met and chatted a little with a few more. It was an organized event, to start with, so that helps, but I wound up wandering over to the bar section. Three members of our group stayed and chatted until about the time I left the bar. Unfortunately, one of them seems to be a global warming “skeptic”* and has some business ties to my company so I had to avoid that conversation. :(
*Possibly more of a “pathological moderate”, but… >.>
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:39 am
Caine:
you have mail
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:48 am
Tony, received and responded.
Azkyroth, sounds like a nice time. I’m glad it was a (mostly) good one for you.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:18 am
::Attention Horde::
Does anyone have experience getting words and/or images printed on clothing (specifically, a tee shirt)? I know nothing about this, but the idea I have is getting individual signatures printed on a shirt. It need not be ultra professional. Time is a factor. A single shirt is all that is necessary at the moment.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:31 am
Iron-on printer paper. An Inkjet printer is necessary. Prices range, as does the quality of the paper, I assume.
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:55 am
Trying to catch up
re:things
I think my mum had a pretty clever system: Stuff was regularly packed into boxes and stored in the attic “for later”. Two years later we didn’t give shit and if she asked “can I take this stuff to the children’s hospital?” I was more like “what stuff? Sure!”. Except for some things like books and Legos which the kids “inherit” now. And I’m a sucker for plushies. they’re all still there and they’re getting more. Yes, for my 34th birthday I got 4 plushies, which is more than most people get for their 4th…
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re: teeth
#1 has started to lose her milk teeth. Unfortunately, while she lost the left one of the lower front teeth, the right one is already growing with the milk tooth still in place. *sigh* Guess I need to call teh dentist on Monday…
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Esteleth
Nah, Giliell is Sindarin, too (Don’t confuse the iell with double L for the Quenya iel like Galadriel.) The Quenya version is Elenyen. Gil as in star (Gil Galad, starlight) and iell is daughter.
Best wishes for surgeon appointment.
cicely
Oh, books are semi-sacred around here, too. I was totally shocked to see my friend throw her already read paperbacks into the recycling bin. OK, they were a waste of paper to start with, but, but, but…
Fossil Fishy
Best wishes, take care (I know you will)
hugs for beatrice
Of course you’re evil, but so am I ;)
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We’ll carve the dice out of the bones of the slain zombies.
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pit name
Measles Dill
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The Mellow Monkey
I’m sorry your talk ended not so well.
Sometimes different concepts of the future clash hard :(
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I have two of them. They can be a pain in the ass but there’s nothing intrinsically bad about them that would make them a fit comparisson for an adult acting badly.
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Tony
Glad you like the job and thanks for the mail ;)
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Glad you aired out the Lounge…
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:20 am
Giliell:
I find myself blushing for some reason…
JAL: Snark, Sarcasm & Bitterness:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:56 am
Ow. Swollen, throbbing pain that makes me wish whatever creature is burrowing in my head would explode out already so I’ll be put out of my misery.
Or, you know, my pain meds could just kick in already.
Saw the dentist, I haz follow up in 2 weeks and will be able to get the big danger stuff done thankfully. I have the cosmetic teeth cover ups to deal with everything else until I get dental insurance (which means I need a stable, good job).
I see I missed a whole lot. I’ll either catch up or pass back out. In the meantime please know I love you all, and am here for hugs, commiserations or celebrations.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:12 am
Still working on my essay of some members the Gay and Lesbian community attacking Asexuals, but I have a question:
Do any of you find the word “sexual” or “sexuals” offensive as an identifier for non-asexuals? Personally I don’t think it should be considered offensive, but the rules state that bigots must adjust their language so as to not be offensive. I’ve noticed dust-ups over the label and asexuals called bigots by non-asexuals for using the word.
I won’t use it in my essay if consensus states that it is an offensive and bigoted word for asexuals to use.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:23 am
Katenrala, I don’t consider it bigoted or offensive. I’m not sure how else you’d refer to people who aren’t asexual.
FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist, with anit to pick):
January 26th, 2013 at 5:24 am
Have a commiserating hug for the pain and a gentle but heartfelt *celebration* for getting your teeth fixed JAL. All offered with a complementary pain med chaser.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:43 am
Katenrala,
I can’t see what other term could be used. Whining about it is as silly as the people who get all pissy about being called ‘cis’.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:51 am
Nutmeg
*hugs* cancer scares are the worst scares. ;_;
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop
Awesome Tony, it’s great to fit in.
I used to be in theatre since high-school and got my minor in it when I went to university. Theatre people are the nicest, most accepting people I’ve ever met. I would’ve loved a job in that kind of atmosphere.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:03 am
Caine, poisoned chalice
They say it’s offensive and bigoted to use because some groups have their sexuality used as a weapon against them (by other, typically het sexuals) so asexuals are being bigots by contributing to oppression, even though it’s merely a label to us that we generally independently arrived at.
Person with sexuality PWS is to close for comfort to PWD, person with disability for me, as I’m disabled and a sexuality is not a disability.
Person of sexuality POS, looks like piece of shit and is too close to POC, person of color.
Non-asexual makes it seem like asexuals have privilege over sexuals, which many sexuals claim but I intend to address that weird reversal.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy
The cis thing is exactly what I thought, these people don’t want to be labeled by a sexual minority group.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:12 am
Katenrala:
:sigh: I think it’s fair to say that most everyone has had their sexuality used as a weapon against them. Women have had it used against them for, oh, forever. Men have had it used against them. Every person in the GLBT tent has had it used against them. I’d say that’s pretty much standard.
We can hardly get rid of sexual, sex or sexuality on that basis. Given asexual, the only possible way to describe non-asexuals (clunky, that), is to use sexual. Just like atheist/theist. I don’t think anyone here will whine about the use of sexual.
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:22 am
So, I’d want to see links to actual complaints in order to grok them.
But I suppose it matters what’s being implied. If it’s suggested that sexual people are sexual to the exclusion of other interests, or otherwise hypersexual, or that our romances are less complete or genuine than the romances of less erotophilic people, or that we are more animalistic, or less committed, then yeah that is going to be a problem for gay men especially — no matter who’s implying it — since we are stereotyped in these ways.
Pteryxx:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:29 am
katenrala: that’s the impression I got too, ‘how dare you people stick a LABEL on US!’ when ‘sexual’ just makes sense as a counter to ‘asexual’. (and it’s the safest option I could think of – sexualized? *sexual? (HELL NO) sexualists? sex-with? yessexuals?) Short of inventing some new term, especially with the intended audience having a clue about sexualities and oppression, I’d go with what you have – heck, maybe address this reaction as part of your essay. As one of these sexuals it doesn’t bug me at all except for my grammar danger-sense (I’d better not say “I’m a sexual” in either text or speech without clarifying…)
OT I’m also curious, what do you think of the QUILTBAG acronym, or GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities)?
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*offers hugs to JAL* Good luck with the pain meds.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:30 am
Caine, poisoned chalice
Thank you.
I think I’ll stick with my instinct and use sexual/s unless someone can argue a good point I can agree with. I’ve had my sexuality used against me, which is the inspiration of the essay, and face-palmed when I read a post by a trans* person I respect say sexual/s is bigotry and she’d be cutting off contact and blocking those “privileged” asexuals who use the label.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:36 am
*enters the bar and looks around. Hmmm….whiskey and stokey time. Asks the bartender to put on some decent tunes*
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:38 am
Whoa cross posts! Please wait while I write responses. :)
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:41 am
Katenrala:
Woah. That’s nasty. Projection can be a bad, bad thing.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:41 am
*hits the ignore button and subtlely makes up his mind that some american atheists bigoted sheep*
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:42 am
I wish Cerberus was around to weigh in on this, as she’s trans and asexual.
Pteryxx:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:42 am
Jesper: Thunderdome’s thataway, as you know.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:42 am
*spellchecks and adds an “are”*
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:43 am
Nah, I’m just hanging out, just ignore my posts please. This is the lounge.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:46 am
Jesper:
It doesn’t work that way here. If you do not take your troll act back to Thunderdome, I will send another alert. Get a fucking clue already.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:50 am
Just alert PZ and get it over with, caine.
I’m a sexist wolf who doesn’t understand cool cats like you.;-)
*takes another sipp of whiskey and lights up a cancerstick*
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:51 am
Besides, I have a feeling that you already made up your mind when you read my name.
theophontes (坏蛋):
January 26th, 2013 at 6:51 am
@ Jesper Both Pedersen
Errr, you best check the OP again:
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:52 am
*ponders about the meaning of the word “liberal” and takes another sipp of whiskey*
Beatrice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:53 am
While yes, it’s perfectly fine to wander into somebody’s lounge, spit into everyone’s drink, offend their cat, grope the bartender and argue when people accuse you of being an asshole.
Next day, you wander into their lounge again and say “oh, just ignore me” when everyone warily covers their drinks.
Some people…
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:54 am
Alert sent. I expect Jesper is panicking about not getting his pitstar yet.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:56 am
Theophontes:
He knows. There are two red letter posts addressed to him in this thread.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:57 am
*ponders about the word “censorship” and decides not to give a fuck*
Beatrice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:58 am
My cat was randomly inserted and had nothing to do with any regular or Jesper’s cat.
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:58 am
*hmmmm, wonders about what will happen if all the bees in the world suddenly disappeared*
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:02 am
*hmmm, something smells fishy in here*
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:03 am
*contemplates the meaning of life and considers eating cats from now on. Like the fucking wolf he is*
Jesper Both Pedersen:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:04 am
Peaceout motherfuckers. And grow the fuck up. The sooner, the better.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:31 am
@strange gods before me
I’ll dredge some up. On one hand I find them hurtful because of my intersectionalities and the erasure of many the same intersectionalities I share with sexuals, on the other hand I just wanted to save it for the essay, but on the gripping hand I understand the need for others to see them.
http://missvoltairine.tumblr.com/post/13258332827/why-i-will-not-engage-with-anyone-who-insists-on-using
http://missvoltairine.tumblr.com/post/10423350493/so-were-not-allowed-by-the-powers-that-be-to-use
2 illustrations from some person I’ve never read before. They even pull the asexuals think sexuals are icky thing.
Oh and it’s the asexuals fault for dividing the “community.” What community though? We’ve an invalid orientation.
I understand what you mean, and I think the surface appearance of the “fight” if one were to call it that stems from the collision of right-wing and Christian hatred for Gays and Lesbians and a implicit assumption among the Gay, and Lesbian community that asexuals think themselves superior to sexuals and that asexuals are all slut-shamers by some inescapable trait of our characters.
But I think the actual reasons for the fight is that people of minority sexualities other than LGBT are making themselves more visible, and it seems an assortment of white Gay and Lesbian people, and a few “progressive” Het people who know that other sexual minorities exist, of influence want to define what is “properly not straight” and have become the gatekeepers of valid non-straight sexuality and invalid non-straight sexuality.
@ Pteryxx
Yeah, I strongly feel it’s a “how dare you label us!” thing as erasure seems part and parcel of the complaint. Asexuals apparently live perfect un-oppressed lives while every other sexual minority is in the trenches fighting and traumatized.
QUILTBAG has always felt like a subtle slur or jab or a “don’t take ‘em seriously” at sexual minority activism. Maybe I’m weird.
GSM? That seems very inclusive.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:53 am
From one of Katenrala’s links:
While there are valid points in all that, there’s a considerable amount of conflation going on and context and intent are being ignored. If a person is sexually active, they are sexual. Saying that is not the same as saying sexual privilege or sexual supremacy. All this is rather new to me, so if I’m missing something, please point it out.
rq:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:07 am
I would like to join the Coconut family, as Purpura Coconut.
If they will not accept me, I will gladly be Purpura Whitefish instead.
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I think Monday will be the day it actually happens.
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Lurking, reading, learning. All the time, from all of you. (heart)
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Caine, poisoned chalice
I especially like the part where asexuality is a new identity, as if we just popped up out of the weeds, and we need “gardeners” to police inter-asexual discourse.
Sexual is merely a label to mean not-asexual, as is allistic to not-autistic, as is cis to not-trans*, and probably a bunch of words I’m not privy to because I’m not part of every group. The English language isn’t equipped to handle everything so new words or old words with new meanings get used when groups of particular identities are communicating with themselves.
I’d contend that very privileged people are seen as not-sexual, but they are also not seen as asexual. Most people don’t even know asexuality exists and we are confused for gay or lesbian or bi or queer, some of us are queer, by the majority, and just like gay, lesbian, and bi people, we face the same legal and secular challenges in society. I can marry the male friend I’m in love with, I’ve been beaten for being a “fag,” I’ve been raped, I’ve could have been murdered if the wrong people sniffed me out, I’ve had my own closet to be in and find the courage to come out of, but the violence asexuals share with sexuals is dismissed and erased.
This is ugly stuff so I’m trying to tread carefully, but it’s also very enraging, unfair stuff. The Hets need picking on, not a tiny minority of a minority.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:32 am
@ Caine, poisoned chalice
No you’re not missing anything. It is the conflation and shredded context by sexuals that is the problem.
Can’t we have our own word when communicating to ourselves? Apparently not.
LGBT and A are natural allies, but we have to be pushed away for some reason.
Cannabinaceae:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:36 am
“Varicella Vinegar”, although the troll has uglified the whole thread in a most distasteful manner, so how about “Chicken Pox Troll”.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Katenrala:
I understand and I empathise. I’m a B and back in the day, we had to fight like hell to be recognised at all, and even when we were, we found ourselves being reviled by everyone else. Some days, there’s no winning for losing.
Cannabinaceae:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:42 am
Happy Cannabinaceae: Allentown Friend has gotten his RepRap working. We’re visiting his family next weekend, but now this will be preceded by me going online and having a kilogram of filament shipped to his house.
The last time we visited, Friend had just about gotten things working reliably, so when we were getting ready to visit, I said to W.U., “Friend and I will probably spend the whole weekend trying to make parts”. She thought I was joking. I was half right. Friend and I spent the whole weekend drinking beer and trying to make parts.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:55 am
@ Caine, poisoned chalice
I’ve noticed that B and T are still being pushed away and their experiences dismissed, and their validity for the cause is still attacked. I want to address that too in my essay because it is not right at all. It actually sickens me.
I wish, and hope I can find the root cause of all this in my research but sexuality and gender expression is so complicated I don’t think that there’s anything solid as a cause, just nebulous hatred and tribalism.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Katenrala:
Yeah, it still happens. I still run into people who insist that bisexuality is a myth, no such animal. And there are *always* people who insist that if a bisexual partners with someone of the opposite sex, they aren’t really bisexual.
So, complicated, hateful, fearful and tribal? Yes.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Well, it’s way past my bedtime, 7:15 am rather than midnight I was aiming for. I’ll be back on my tomorrow. Thank you Caine and the rest for talking with me. :)
Please if anyone has an idea about “the fight” say so and I’ll read it when I get back.
Beatrice:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Good night katenrala!
I didn’t participate in the conversation, but I found it very interesting to read.
Beatrice:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Or rather, just good sleep since you mentioned it’s morning :)
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Ruffles, they suck.
But I almost finished #1′s carnival outfit and thankfully the little one is happy with her sister’s old pirate outfit.
katenrala
I think this “Asexuals are the privileged people” stuff is a load of crap.
It’s bullshit. Historically, priviledged people aren’t the ones who were assumed to be asexual (probably apart from priests, although they weren’t), but having the right kind of sexuality. Heterosexual, babby-making, passively enduring or active.
Yes, especially gay men had and have their sexuality used against them, but that is surely not asexuals fault. The problem is mandatory, babby-making focussed, male-dominated heterosexuality, not asexuals.
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Tethys:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Threadrupt, but for the latest conversation. I have no objection to the term sexual. As noted already, what other term could you use that is succinct?
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I came across this article about the oil-boom in North Dakota. Apparently the gas flare can be seen from space.
A Mysterious Patch of Light
Home, home on the range.
Where the rigs and wildcatters play.
Where seldom is heard, a discouraging word
and the skies and water and wildlife and people aren’t nearly as important as big oil.
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:10 am
katenrala,
Okay, I’ve gotta admit, she makes several strong arguments, and I can definitely see where she’s coming from. Here too:
These, among others in the links you gave earlier, are substantive objections that do not simply reduce to “how dare you people stick a LABEL on US!”
So I was wondering if she is less averse to the term sexual people instead of sexuals (I was thinking of gay people as opposed to gays).
Evidently, yes, sexual people is less objectionable, and she uses the term sexual folks.
She indicates her ideal preference to be “Calling non-ace folks by our actual, personal sexual identities (bisexual, pansexual, queer, etc)”.
But you aren’t just communicating among yourselves. You’re frequently communicating in public, and often with others who aren’t yourselves. Putting aside the public forum aspect, surely you’re not suggesting that asexual people only use this term when talking to other asexual people.
If there is potential splash damage, to some sexual people, which affects them specifically because they are people of color, or queer, or sex workers, or rape victims and simultaneously sexual people, then it isn’t sufficient to justify any word X by saying it’s “your own word”. It’s important how others are affected.
I see a poll. It’s small, but not uselessly so. For those who don’t want to be called sexuals — and if we leave out the variants of non-asexual since you have a reasonable argument against it — the next most widely acceptable terms are:
Listing – something like “heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and pansexual folks”
and “A person who experiences sexual attraction”.
I did see some obvious gatekeeping during my readings, like you mentioned. Some really offensive shit that I’d rather not repeat, unless someone is dying to know. But I can also see why some people can have legitimate objections to the noun sexuals, and there are alternatives.
Aratina Cage:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:24 am
That’s understandable. I only know about it because a rock from an open-wheel trailer in front of me cracked my windshield at the exact moment I crossed the GA/FL border on the way to the FL coast, and when I called a windshield repair company about it later that day, they told me it was too bad I didn’t have FL insurance because windshield repair would then be free.
You’re off to a unique start!
Sounds more pleasant than it should.
The Coconut family is sure to welcome you. :)
Smokin!
la tricoteuse:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am
I honestly can’t think of a single flavour I actively dislike. I have flavours I like less than others or wish to encounter less often, or would mostly not choose if other options were available (blackcurrant*, smoked paprika), but I can’t come up with anything I simply do not like**. Bleh.
*Damn you, Britain, for replacing the delicious blue raspberry Sour Patch Kids with the ubiquitous bloody blackcurrant flavour you put in EVERY FRUIT CANDY EVER. *huffs*
**Strawberry Yoghurt, blech! But strawberries, yum. Likewise artificial banana flavour vs actual bananas. But that isn’t quite the same as actually disliking either fruit. It’s CONTEXTUAL.
Jadehawk:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:37 am
i know i shouldn’t bring it up, since dude lives off attention and is probably about to take off to the pit, but I’m baffled by the meaning of this statement:
The Horde/Caine is prejudiced against Nordics?
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Re: “sexuals” as the identifier for non-asexuals. I’m grateful for the term, but I can see where using it as an adjective instead of a noun could be preferable, as SG outlines. Maybe there will be a language shift to refer to asexual people over asexuals as well? I’ve tried to ensure I’m inclusive in my language, but not knowing how to describe it has been difficult. This is simple and straightforward, and I appreciate being able to make a distinction easily.
Caine:
Been there. When my partner came out as trans, overnight I went from “bisexual genderqueer” to “straight woman” in the eyes of lesbian and gay acquaintances. Amazing how I became heteronormative and gender-conforming without changing a damn thing about myself or relationships.
Beatrice:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Jadehawk,
Maybe because everyone here is American and is, naturally, prejudiced against foreigners?
/just guessing
opposablethumbs:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:57 am
::never going to catch up …::
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Tony, many many YAYs for the great working environment. Sounds wonderful.
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JAL, I hope the pain meds keep things under control until the next appointment and the work done then gets rid of the pain altogether.
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Best medical wishes to the Horde, with extra special dermatological wishes to Nutmeg and Esteleth.
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Scabies Celery.
Tethys:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:17 am
I read the complaint as “Wah, I poisoned the well and shot myself in the foot, but its all your fault.”
Typical pit logic.
—–
scarlatina aspartame
UnknownEric:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Anemia Porkchops.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Took pills, they haven’t kicked in yet.
@ strange gods before me ॐ
Very well, I can’t call the whole generalized group of non-asexuals by their preferred terms so what’s a good word or two. “A person who experiences sexual attraction” is a crappy phrase as there are a group of asexuals who do feel sexual attraction, but they are still asexuals, of course you’ll see them maligned all the time as SLUT SHAMERS because it takes very specific circumstances for them to feel that.
*erased a furious rant about my personal experiences as a repulsed autistic raped asexual being erased and twisted again*
So what to call non-asexuals? Fine how about “non-asexuals” as barrel bottom scraping as it is since positive identification is verboten? It’s the second most accurate term I can think of at the moment even though it reads like garbage.
I hope I can come up with something better once I get some sleep.
May I ask what you think of asexuals strange gods before me ॐ? Are we a thorn in your side and the movement?
@Giliell, professional cynic
Yeah, I just wish some of those who should accept us as allies because we share so much would understand that. It hurts a lot. I want to reach out, and will in my essay, but I feel that the gesture will be wasted. There’s too many haters, and Dan Savage, who is listened to, seemed kicked it all off from what my research revealed.
It feels futile to go up against that.
@Beatrice
Thank you.
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Yeah, I think I’d prefer adjectives over nouns, too.
Generally, since those things are always just part of a person. A gay man is much more than being gay, to reduce anybody to one facet of their personality, especially their sexuality rubs me the wrong way.
I know, it’s just shorter to write “the gays” or “asexuals”, or “sexuals”, but I think we should take the time.
katenrala
If it helps, I think that we should be your allies. Because asexual people are often treated as “something wrong with you”, you just “need to get some experience” and “you’re an evolutionary dead end”.
Funny, reminds me of some other people.
Seriously, I’m as priviledged as you get as a woman (white, cis, straight, middle-class, married with two kids) and the few times some totally unimportant fringe group attacks my sexuality, that hurts. Can’t imagine how you deal with getting that shit 24/7.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
RE: a/sexual
Feel free to label yourself, but don’t go labeling me, because my labels are mine to decide.
Please don’t jump on me for saying this, either — I’ve had a whole lifetime of being labeled and shuffled aside for being different (disabled), and I don’t like other people imposing their labels, their ideas of who and what I am, on me. This is why I respect your right to choose your own labels, and why I expect you — regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, species, whatever — to respect my labels.
We cool?
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
@Giliell, professional cynic
Non-asexual sexual person; NASP?
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
@WMDKitty (Always growing and learning)
The conundrum is finding a word or words that groups non-asexuals together as a whole when talking about them as a generality, that’s what I’m trying to figure out. Asexual vs. what?
I’m trying to do the right thing here.
I apologize for being a offensive shit.
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
I don’t know why privileged people get so bogged down on labels, and I really don’t understand why anyone should care if you’re asexual. Not in that “oh, I don’t see color, or sexual preference or gender or any of those things” way, but in a “ok, we’ll accept bisexuals MAYBE, but asexuality is just a bridge too far” sort of way. I’ve seen it all over, every sort of sub-group wants acceptance for themselves but some members turn around and refuse to accept other groups as also being valid and worth accepting.
It’s like I said with the Harriet Hall, “equality feminism” nonsense: the purpose of blazing a trail is to make it easier for other people to follow your lead, you’re not supposed to break through a barricade and then set it back up for the people behind you. Once you manage to survive the traps, you’re not supposed to set them back up so that they can hurt other people. It isn’t a zero sum game, the more freedom and respect any group gets, the closer we get to a place where everyone gets real equality.
I dunno, maybe I’m way off base and being insulting, and if I am I apologize.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
katenrala:
I’ve seen some of that, though certainly not as much as those who are the targets of it. The vitriol tossed at people who are romantically attracted to people of the same gender, but are asexual comes immediately to mind. People saying that the asexuals are just in denial, or projecting internalized homophobia, and/or actually causing damage to the movement. And then those who have no romantic interests at all are actively dehumanized.
Though I’m not asexual, I was celibate by choice well into adulthood. A cousin once verbally attacked me in a restaurant, saying that I was going to become a “freak” and that I couldn’t really be part of humanity without ever having sex. I would be a weirdo, a creep, and probably a pervert. That’s the kind of shit asexuals have to deal with for life, not just one conversation, targeting them in a very fundamental and intimate way. So much of society and assumptions about people are based on their sexual behavior. If someone is asexual, they’re then dehumanized, seen as a danger, broken, perverted (this one still makes no fucking sense to me), told they can’t be a real man/woman, somehow incapable of being part of society, told they deserve to be alone forever, and so much more.
There is a hell of a lot more in common there with sexual and gender non-conforming minorities than is acknowledged. Playing “who has it worse” (as I’ve seen some in the LGBT movement do) isn’t helpful and it’s not how you build alliances. There is no one way to be a person. There is no one “right” way to have or lack sexual interest, to have or lack romantic interest, to have or lack a gender identity.
I’m really sorry for all the shit and erasure asexuals are subjected to, katenrala.
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
I think you can get pretty close by listing sexual orientations other than asexual: “hetero, gay, bi, and pansexual folks”.
I don’t know; missvoltairine said sexual people was not a big deal, as opposed to sexuals. I can see her point.
Not by me. I reported another raped woman’s argument that the term plays into rape culture, and I said I could see where she’s coming from — this was for the sake of demonstrating that her arguments, whether right or wrong, have a substance which is not simply “how dare you people stick a label on us”.
You don’t agree with her. I assume you also have arguments for why the term doesn’t do that. If you provide them, I could evaluate both and tell you whose personal experiences I think are leading them to an incorrect conclusion, since you can’t both be right. I’d rather not do that — because I doubt I can convince myself strongly one way or the other — and even assuming that I’d say you’re right and her personal experiences are misleading her about rape culture, it is evident that the noun will remain offensive to a substantial number of people.
It’s a confusing question. Consider what I think of other gay men: I like some, dislike others, am vaguely positively disposed toward most, and hope that we all will live in a happier world tomorrow. I think the same of asexuals, and indeed most groups.
No.
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
@ WMDKitty (Always growing and learning)
Look I’m physically disabled and mentally different, inhuman to many and spat in my face for it. I get it that am an ignoramus when it comes to human interaction too on top of being a overpriviledged shit.
If you agree with my character assessment what would you like me to do to please you? I’m honestly open for suggestions, I’m not being snarky as I know I’m a complete asshole and waste of meat and money and social infrastructure. I will try to avoid mistakes I made but do you need something material from me too? I’ll oblige if I can.
And yeah we’re cool.
Tethys:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
WMD Kitty
I think the entire point of the discussion has been less about labeling, than it is about using words to convey the proper meaning AND not be offensive to anyone.
Our culture doesn’t recognize a broad range of possibilities as far as sexuality is concerned, and that is reflected in the limited word choices that currently exist.
Perhaps some new words are in order so that it can be discussed in a more inclusive manner?
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
@strange gods before me ॐ
I didn’t mean by you, I should have clarified that, I’m sorry. My experiences with this anti-asexual stuff goes back awhile and it is not just about that one blogger. But I’m sick of being the bad guy even as the other-side does not play fair, I’ve personally been on the receiving end of a lot of unwarranted abuse and it’s triggering to be called ignorant and have my experiences denied, downplayed, and minimized about the exact same experiences I share with these asexual detractors.
I don’t like them even if I’ll play by their rules, be nice, and try to suck up offenses to me and grow up as I’m apparently a fumbling child to them.
I’m no longer interested in argument. I’ll do as they wish me to because that’s the rules.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
WMD Kitty:
I’m just going to point out that this is the exact same argument I hear from people objecting to the term “cis.” Trying to find a way to refer to the majority without pathologizing the minority is not meant as an insult. We can work on the best way to describe the majority, but that term is going to be heavily influenced by the minority.
Our privilege as sexually oriented people makes us unaware of the fact that there even needs to be a term, just as the privilege of cis people as identifying with their assigned-at-birth gender made them unaware of the fact that there was a need for the term cis.
Lynna, OM:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
The kill-the-gays movement in Uganda is not over. This is not old news, it is news of a current anti-gay campaign funded by money donated by American evangelicals. American rabidly right-wing Christians are also providing missionaries, speakers, bill-writing expertise, anti-gay tours, etc.
This Gospel of Intolerance was covered in the New York Times, January 22.
A fascinating video is also available at the link.
Excerpt from an earlier New York Times article:
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
SGBM
Very cumbersome when discussing the differences of experience between asexuals and everybody else.
I can’t say what katenrala’s argument might be, but the ones that I’ll advance are that ‘sexual’ as opposed to ‘asexual’ is exactly the same linguistic process that led to ‘cis’ as opposed to ‘trans’; anyone who objects to one is objecting to the other as well, and their arguments still have to hold up there. Further, it is a perfectly accurate descriptive term which exactly covers the distinction that is being made with a precision rare in this type of discourse. Thirdly, it is directly cognate to ‘homosexual’, ‘bisexual’ etc. in terms of the axis of discussion. Finally, there’s no other term that has been presented which adequately captures the groups being discussed with no room for anyone to be left out, which is a constant problem when discussing sexual minorities generally, and sidetracking the discussion into listing all the various sexualities that aren’t asexual kind of detracts from the initial point, which is discussion issues relating to asexuals and asexuality.
MM
And I don’t take it seriously from them either, for the same reasons.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
katenrala
Nah, s’cool. I’m just tired of people feeling like they have some kind of “right” to slap labels on other people, regardless of majority/minority status.
Call me disabled, call me handicapped, call me crippled, call me a fucking gimp, I don’t care — just don’t say I have “special needs”, don’t refer to the “handi-capable”, and for the love of gods, do NOT say I’m “differently abled”. All that feel-good PC bullshit was created by able-bodied people so they could feel some warm-fuzzies about “look how great we are, being all sensitive and inclusive” while still lording their able-bodied privilege over us and not being “inclusive” at all. We can worry about language after every building and sidewalk and bathroom is 100% ADA compliant.
Mellow Monkey
See above response to katenrala. I don’t care who is doing the labeling, I don’t like it, because it is, at the core, forcing (generic) your ideas of who and what I am (or should be) onto me, and that ain’t cool. Doesn’t matter which direction it’s coming from, it’s still not cool.
Again, this is coming from a lifetime of being labeled and pushed aside by able-bodied people who really should have known better. I kind of expect other marginalized minority types to understand this, but nope, apparently it’s a sign of privilege to ask that your right to self-label be respected.
I’m not sitting here telling LGBTQI or A folks how to label themselves, nor would I ever consider doing so — it’s rude! Can’t I have the same respect in return?
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
katenrala
Personally, I’d think that “sexual person” would fit best.
The “label problem”, guess that’s why I prefer adjectives instead of labels, but yeah, communication. I can clearly see the similarity between cis/trans – sexual/asexual people.
I can understand the dynamics at work that make underprivileged group A peck on underpriviledged group B, but personally, people’s obsession with the sexual identities and gender identities of people who are neither themselves nor their partner flies a bit over my head.
Jadehawk:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
*cough*
wanna bet that by calling them “able-bodied people”, you’ve just “labeled” a lot of GSM folks?
point being “no labels” is a horrible argument, because that’s just not how language works. But avoiding bad labels that insinuate someone is defined by a single characteristic is a good goal. hence, “sexual people” is better than “sexuals”, but there isn’t a good way to avoid the label altogether, any more than avoiding the cis/trans, able-bodied/disabled, etc. distinctions is reasonably possible.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Dalillama:
Agreed. One of the responsibilities of an aware person is to recognize privilege and do what you can to alleviate the inequality someone lacking that privilege suffers from. Accepting the descriptive label of “sexual person” for the express purpose of discussing asexuality without pathologizing it is a pretty minor step.
David Marjanović:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Seconded.
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
What is the plural of cis? It is an adjective. It goes like this: cis people.
Emphasizing someone’s cis-ness has not historically been used to justify rape, nor false accusations of sexual predation, like emphasizing someone’s sexual-ness has been. That’s what “why the term doesn’t do that” referred to: “I assume you also have arguments for why the term doesn’t [play into rape culture]“.
“Non-asexual” in fact does, by the law of the excluded middle. But it is unacceptable to katenrala due to some rational arguments; likewise “sexuals” is unacceptable to others due to some rational arguments.
The initial point here was the question whether the noun could be offensive.
Anyway, if the discussion goes “all sexual people experience X” then differentiation can be necessary. Not all discussions using this term are going to be only about asexual people.
PZ Myers:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Jesper Both Pederson has been banned. He’s so full of himself I expect he’ll be back to trolling under a pseudonym soon.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Jadehawk
It’s goddamn disrespectful to tell other people how they “should” label themselves.
End. Of. Argument.
Jadehawk:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
alrighty then, I expect you to never use the word “able-bodied” again, since it’s a label that you use for people who aren’t you.
*rolleyes*
PZ Myers:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
By the way, Jesper left 80 comments here in less than 24 hours. Trying just a little too hard, I think.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Jadehawk
The term “able-bodied” was coined by a non-disabled person, and is therefore a self-label.
chigau (違う):
January 26th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Where is Jesper’s Last Post?
I missed it.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
WMDKitty:
I am non-asexual. I am officially coining the term “sexual person” for people like me.
Beatrice:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
WMDKitty,
If you don’t want people to use labels when referring to you, then people here won’t use labels when referring to you.
Since the label asexual already exists, I don’t see an issue in giving some sort of collective name to those who are not asexual.
Would you support cis people who whinge about being labeled?
Jadehawk:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
but you’re not using it as a self-label, you’re using it to label others. and at the same time, there’s plenty of sexual people who find that an appropriate self-label. you can’t have it both ways, you know
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
The Mellow Monkey
I claim the copyright, my #532 was before your #543
;)
Good night everybody.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Good night, Giliell! I’ll be sure to write out a royalty check for my every use.
David Marjanović:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
So is “sexual”.
(And “cis-” was a prefix before this new usage as an adjective that’s just a few years old.)
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
and Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
Jadehawk:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
no. in the originally suggested usage, it was a noun.
Audley Z. Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
January 26th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
See, this is what happens when Darkling sleeps through the night and has a good day after– I miss a truly prolific troll.
Oh well. Cookies cookies cookies cookies cookies cookies cookies cookies cookies cookies.
David Marjanović:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Sorry. I shouldn’t stumble into the middle of a discussion while being tired and having a headache.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
SGBM
Regarding the adjective/noun thing, if ‘asexuals’ is a correct usage, then ‘sexuals’ ought to be, but I don’t care enough to make anything of it if folks prefer the adjectival construction. I personally see them as essentially semantically equivalent,(Which is why I was treating them as the same in my argument) but I understand that there are arguments to the contrary, so when people have a significant preference for one vs the other I generally go with it. Basically what I’m saying is, no I can’t address your further arguments right now, and rather than trying to, I’m just going to go with the flow and say we should use ‘sexual persons(/people/folk/etc)’ for this purpose.
WMDkitty
The basic rule here amounts to one of privilege gradient; people higher on the gradient have very limited scope for criticizing the terminology that is used by people lower on the privilege scale; put differently, I don’t get to complain about you saying ‘able-bodied’, you don’t get to complain about me saying ‘straight’*, neither of us gets to complain about ‘cis,’ and as far as I can see we’ve got no grounds to complain about ‘sexual’ either, leaving aside the noun/adjective problem above.
*It is my understanding that you are female-identified and androphilic; if I am wrong in this, please correct me.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Katenrala:
NASP or SP/SPs would work, I think. Anyone else have objections to these?
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Dalillama
Female identified, yes. Bisexual, leaning towards the straight end of the spectrum. Limited to dating guys because, well, damn, it’s hard enough getting a date with a guy, and women can be kinda scary sometimes.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Dalillama:
I agree. People use ‘bisexuals’, ‘transsexuals’, ‘gays’, ‘lesbians’ and ‘straights’ all the damn times. I see it right here often enough, and what I don’t see is a major protest about it and insistence of attaching ‘people’ to all those.
Yeah, it’s not a fight worth having, I’ll go with the flow. That said, there’s a fair amount of hypocrisy working here, too.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
WMDKitty, I understand your desire to rest unlabeled, however, we all get to wear labels, that’s life. In your rush to get your point made, I think you missed the fact that Katenrala is both disabled and terminal and caused some anger and hurt there, unwittingly.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
WMDkitty
Then skip the part about straight; I wasn’t sure whether to include it or not, and I should have gone with not.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Derp. Thanks, Caine.
I haz a stoopid.
birgerjohansson:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Labels are important. But I would probably need to be familiar with several of the branches of English (British, Merican, Aussie) to come up with a term that is value-neutral everywhere.
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A kick-ass little book: “Ack-Ack Macaque” http://www.amazon.com/Ack-Ack-Macaque-Gareth-L-Powell/dp/1781080607/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359238674&sr=1-1&keywords=Ack-Ack+Macaque
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A grumpy hybrid of Hellboy and Biggles shoots down Messerschmitts with his Spitfire when he is not whacking Nazi ninjas on the ground. Then he discovers he is actually trapped inside a VR game, gets angry, breaks out and starts to kick *real* ass.
Meanwhile in a parallel history it is 2059 and supervillains are trying to start World War Three… Robots! Zeppelins! Global conspiracies!
— — — — — — — — — —
Nice clip from Fox News at Ed Brayton’s blog. It is OK to call people Nazis except when it isn’t.
birgerjohansson:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Katenrala,
You are incredibly brave. I literally slipped into decades of anhedonia just by witnessing my father dying of cancer. If I got sick myself I would not be able to function.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Caine:
There are logical reasons to use all of those terms as adjectives and logical reasons to protest any of those terms being used as nouns. I’ve seen some really bitter, nasty, angry fights over people using any form of trans* as a noun. But, really, colloquially, people noun* all of those labels and we do it ourselves here every day. You’re right.
I also don’t think it’s a worthwhile fight, though. Frankly, any label asexuals are already comfortable using is all right by me. I’ve spent my afternoon reading various Asexuality 101 pages and working through the Asexuality Archive and I’ve seen non-asexual, sexual people, and sexuals most often. There isn’t a single term set in stone, but it’s clear all of those are already in widespread, comfortable use. I’m happy with any of them, because just as with cis, it’s not something you have to walk around using every fucking day and write down on your driver’s license. It’s there for a very specific type of conversation.
*Yes, I used noun as a verb. :P
birgerjohansson:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Pteryxx
Regarding Denisovans and Neanderthals I read in Science that Svante Pääbo’s team at Max Planck Institute are making more headway in unravreling fossil DNA.
A student named Matthias Meyer has found a method to deal with single-strand nucleotides that speeds up the proces. He has sequenced 99% of the the Denisovan DNA once, and 92% 20 times. He will begin work on the Neanderthal genome next.
Beatrice:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Non-asexual bugs me a bit by being redundant, since you can just say sexual, but I can live with it :)
Deoridhe:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
I’m straight and cis, so take this with the necessary salt, but would *sexual be significantly different from sexual to not obscure the significant critique of viewing some people as sexual-and-so-unrapable? Really, very few people identify as willing to have sex with any takers, but most of us identify as something plus sexual.
Gregory Greenwood:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
It is a bit late in the day now that the US Presidential election is over, but I have stumbled upon a particularly entertaining College Humour parody – I give you Mitt Romney Style.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Deoridhe, I had actually just seen *sexual used on a blog about asexuality.
I really like that, as it both makes the distinction as the antonym of asexual while also having that wildcard in there to include all the sexualities, making it distinct from the word sexual in any other use.
The blog I found it in is really good, too:
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Deoridhe:
Pteryxx had a rather nasty reaction to that one, on the <— previous page. I have to say I don't much care for it, either. I don't care for the use of a symbol and that one in particular, as a fair amount of people involved in atheism+ have been using * attached to atheist as a means of signifying asshole. So that would be a no from me.
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Apropos of absolutely nothing, my favorite My Little Pony ever!
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
I kinda like the idea of *sexual.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Or… not, if people are using * as shorthand for “asshole”. (Honestly, it’s an asterisk, it’s commonly used as a placeholder or variable, what’s the problem?)
chigau (違う):
January 26th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
IJoe
I just spent some time googleimagesearching for my little pony +
alien
predator
batman
etc
.
.
.
holymoly
birgerjohansson:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Charles Stross: “The Anthropic Stupidity Hypothesis” http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/01/the-anthropic-stupidity-hypoth.html “We are only just smart enough, on average, to be capable of horizontal transfer of memes.”
(which explains the success stories of Sarah Palin, Lush Rimbaugh et cetera)
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Well, if people are in favour of symbology, why not -sexual / +sexual?
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
How about $SEXUAL then? :D
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Esteleth wins.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
*hands Esteleth an internet*
Caine
+/-sexual works for me.
chigau (違う):
January 26th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
test
±
∓
PZ Myers:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Hoo boy. Guess who just joined Justin Vacula as a friend of AVfM?
Wooly Bumblebee is now their Canadian communications director.
I love it when our enemies cheerfully put on their black hats so exuberantly. It’s like they’re proud of being regressive.
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Wooly Bumblebee? Yeah, sounds about right. They wear being shitty people as a badge of honor… probably screaming “FREEDOM!!!” the whole time, as though the point of freedom is to do the worst things possible to prove that no one else is the boss of you.
Jadehawk:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
yeah, after the “misandric pants” and the “women provoke abuse because being beaten turns them on” shit, this development is entirely unsurprising.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
How very unsurprising that Ms. Misandric Pants took on that job.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
*eyetwitch* That bothers me. A lot. On two counts, actually. The “women provoke abuse” part is just… ugh, no, no, that’s one of those tropes that just enables abusers and lets them think that the victim “deserves it”. The “because being beaten turns them on” is distinctly anti-kink and, once again, promotes the idea that the victim “really wanted it” and is now saying differently for some unknown ulterior “misandric” motive.
Fuck, I hate people sometimes.
bluentx:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
“women provoke abuse because being beaten turns them on” …. Maybe it’s a good thing I’m not able to keep up to date on EVERYTHING on FTB. I missed that putrid projectile of …. I’m at a loss to continue…
Jadehawk:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
that one hasn’t been featured here, AFAIK. I got it from manboobs
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
When someone says “women provoke abuse” it doesn’t really matter what ridiculous “because” they stick on the end of it. It is fucking sickening.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
IJoe:
Oh, you should read the post at Manboobz. A certain person, another feMRA, goes on a length about that. About a couple she used to hear (lived above her), and the woman would always be following the man about, yelling, cussing, yada, yada, yada, so you know, she was asking for it.
Jadehawk:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
crap. I confused bumblebee with girwriteswhat. the latter is the one with the “women ask for it” thing.
oops.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 26th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
iJoe
Yeah, because it can’t possibly be that the yelling and cussing was in response to the abuse, nope, bitchez be asking for it.
*pukes*
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Caine, it wouldn’t happen to be that “girlwriteswhat” person? That’s another abuse-apologist that I wish would just go away.
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Bitter LOL @ Jadehawk
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
IJoe:
Yep. Ms. Matriarchal Terrorism herself.
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
I guess there are two schools of thought on the subject: there are people who have been hurt and think that’s a bad thing and would never wish it on anyone else, and people who have been hurt and internalize the horrible dehumanization behind it and rationalize it by claiming that people get hurt because they deserve it in some way. The first group has empathy and engages with other people with respect and decency, and the other group does not. The first group starts by treating themselves decently first, and the second group holds themselves in contempt and therefore has nothing humane for anyone else either.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
Now Ms Bumblefuckwit will be able to spew her bile to even more people. Hmm, one hopes this backfires on her.
I wonder why she was brought on to AVfM…perhaps to say “look, we are not a hate group. We love women. We have one as our communications director!”
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
@ all
Thank you for the constructive discussion as I napped
Since the word sexual causes hurt and I’m not allowed to question the harm I cause as anti-oppression rules state, I think the suggested +sexual person(s)/people and asexual(s) constructions should be okay, unless that’s still wrong to you.
I do feel the + intones a positive marker, as if being a +sexual person is the proper state of being compared to asexual even though it also implies an addition, heterosexual, bisexual, pansexual, etc; so I’ll swallow my feelings in order to please people who’d otherwise toss my essay across the room and lay into me again as just another asexual bigot.
I’ve been layed into merely for the fact I’m asexual as others carry a lot of baggage about us and don’t understand how any human could be asexual; should I disengage if that happens or am I allowed to defend my person and character when that happens? If I cause harm for just being would it be best if I just go away instead of causing more harm by trying to argue that my existence is not a negativism? My existence is already hurtful so it seems to violate the rules to argue that I shouldn’t be considered hurtful just for being.
Also, an esteemed straight feminist blogger who sometimes posts here at Pharyngula has told me that I, and other asexuals, must come out of the closet immediately (as per Dan Savage who she defers to) before the date even begins to anyone I may hypothetically have a date with regardless of perceived danger in doing so lest we deceive the person we may be dating. Are they correct to demand such a thing?
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Tony, AVfM has a bunch of women involved… the same way that Fox “News” hires as many women and black people and Hispanic people and gay people and “Democrats” as they can find. It is like a gag from The Onion: “Lone Black Republican in Mississippi Is Guest of Honor at Every Event” or some such. There’s always a certain amount of easy status to be had by finding people who hate a group you belong to, and allowing them to use you as a shield against bigotry claims.
Or, the short version: S.E. Cupp.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Katenrala:
I agree, the + is problematic. Shit. We can keep working on this, or just go with NASPs / SPs. Perhaps that’s best. I do think there’s way too much fucking emphasis here on the potentially hurt feelings of the majority and I do not think that’s right or okay.
I don’t think you should take any shit from anyone, and that includes those who feel they are the final arbiter of proper language.
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
katenrala,
Forgive me if I’m out of line for saying so, but it seems to me like this conversation is hurting you a whole bunch. You shouldn’t have to swallow your feelings or suffer because other people make you feel like they have a right to their thoughts and feelings and you don’t. I don’t believe that other people here mean to hurt you… but as we’re fond of saying “intent isn’t fucking magic” and not meaning doesn’t equal not hurting.
I’m sorry if anything I said contributed to your hurt, and I hope everyone else feels the same. Also, seriously… can I buy you a snazzy hat*? I’m sort of the “can I buy you a snazzy hat” person around here, just ask Tony. It isn’t much, but it is what I got.
*Or a Surly-Ramic, I’m not picky. The quicker you say “yes” the faster I can get it shipped out. :)
chigau (違う):
January 26th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
katenrala
You should stay.
re dating
If a date is assumed to be a precursor to sexual activity, then it is probably best to make sure there are no illusions.
If a date is dinner and conversation then sexual preference is not involved.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
katenrala
I think that’s a valid problem with it. I’m just going to accept anything that’s comfortable for asexuals to use. What works for you is way more important when describing situations like this.
Please, please don’t go away. If any of us are hurting you from a place of privilege, we need to be told that. It’s not your fault if anyone is doing so. I am sincerely sorry if I’ve said anything that has contributed to this. It’s not a topic I know much about (and having gone on a reading frenzy today, I can see just how ignorant I am) and I really do not want to be hurtful.
No, and Dan Savage is incredibly privileged and short-sighted when it comes to topics like these.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Katrenrala, as another asexual person ’round these parts, I do wish you’d stay.
And seriously, don’t let people saying stuff get you down.
*offers hugs*
katenrala:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Oh I don’t mean I’ll be leaving Pharyngula, just disengaging with the people who find my sexuality offensive so I don’t hurt them more.
:)
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
YAY katenrala!!
… you can still have a hat/Surly-Ramic. :)
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
katenrala
I’m entirely with Caine and MM on this one. As I said elsewhere, in this type of context, the feelings of the majority are of a distinctly lower level of concern.
Ibis3, Blighter and Trampler since 1971:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
I’m threadrupt, so I’m not going to weigh in on the label discussion, but I feel comfortable answering this one off the cuff, Katrenrala:
No. First and foremost, you need to take your own security and comfort into account. You don’t owe anyone your life story or information about your intimate feelings on the 10th date, let alone the first. The whole deception idea just smacks of entitlement–as though agreeing to go on a date with someone is a kind of proto-consent to sex with that person. On this issue, Dan Savage is just wrong.
Ibis3, Blighter and Trampler since 1971:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
I just dropped by to announce some positive news. The Ontario Liberal party has elected a new leader who now becomes premier of Ontario. Two women were the two front-runners (yay!), and Kathleen Wynne won. Wynne is also openly gay, the first openly LGBTQ Canadian premier (yay!). We now have 4 provincial premiers who are women (out of 10), plus one out of three territories (yay!).
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Ibis3,
I saw your good news on Twitter… so I thought the good news was that you were dropping by! Always good to see you here! You’re one of the always-welcome voices in our little community.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Ibis:
THIS ^ for the win. It’s exactly that. It’s the same as when you hear men joking about how a woman knows immediately on a date whether or not he’s gonna get laid. That’s a bunch of shit, too. Most people figure out if there is chemistry there, and what *kind* chemistry – mental, emotional, physical, one, all or any combination. That’s not saying there’s going to automagically be sex going on. Perhaps some people operate that way, however, it’s nonsense to extrapolate that to everyone else.
When going on a date, you have no idea if you’re ever going to see the person again, let alone for date #2, so I see zero point to spilling such intimate detail under a demand for “full disclosure”. Once you’re on the way to a potential relationship, then yes, it’s necessary to disclose such a fact.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Ibis:
Wow. I’m jealous. Very jealous.
deoridhe:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
katenrala: I’ve been layed into merely for the fact I’m asexual as others carry a lot of baggage about us and don’t understand how any human could be asexual; should I disengage if that happens or am I allowed to defend my person and character when that happens?
The basis of extensive discussion of semantics is to try to take everything into account while coming up with terms that are as neutral as possible (I have to admit a certain attraction for $exual, honestly, despite the commodity connotations; it makes my geek giggle), which given there isn’t actually a neutral is pretty difficult.
It sounds like what you’ve experienced isn’t people disagreeing on a semantic level, which can get nitpicky and persnickity, but rather people being outright offensive and denying your right to self-identify and be secure and supported in your self-identification; that’s a whole other kind of asshole.
Whether you disengage or engage should be about what you have the energy for – I am firmly on the side of “no one is obliged to stay for abuse of their person” in any discussion. If other people have baggage, it’s their baggage and they’re wrong. If they insult you based on being wrong, that doesn’t make them right and you wrong because they have no knowledge of your internal state, and so they should simply shush on the matter, and possibly be locked barefoot in a room full of legos with very sharp edges.
If you want to defend yourself, feel free to as far as I’m concerned, but honestly I don’t have the right to give you permission – nor does anyone else. Feel free to tell me to shut up if this is intrusive, but it seems like you feel you don’t have the right to defend yourself and who you are because the prejudice you’ve faced is at the hands of other people who face oppression. Facing oppression, unfortunately, doesn’t make one particularly good at noticing when they are oppressing others, that’s part of why it becomes important to cultivate a culture of mutual support even when one doesn’t understand in order to learn about all of our blind spots.
Personally, I’m deeply grateful you brought up this issue because I know relatively little about the asexual part of sexual identities, and so I found learning about some of the details and things we need to consider really interesting, but it’s your life and your pain and my curiosity is not a valid excuse for causing any pain to you.
bluentx:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Built/patched fences today. I don’t have the energy to play ‘Get A Clue’ with ltlftc in the Thunderdome.
The Mellow Monkey:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
And it’s conflating asexuality with celibacy, when not all asexuals are necessarily celibate. Things like this come up when you’re communicating about and negotiating for a relationship, not on a first date.
Dan Savage gave similar advice to a young gay trans man (I think he was only eighteen), who didn’t provide “full disclosure” until two weeks after he met an older man online, which was too long in Savage’s estimation. It’s just clueless and dangerous.
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
As far as the date/disclosure thing: as a straight cis male clinically depressed person thingy, I can tell you that my favorite date has always been the lunch date. Because the lunch date doesn’t lead to sex because who has sex at 12:25 in the afternoon with someone they’ve known since 11:35? Because patriarchy hurts men too, that’s why.
I figured that out way before I figured out the finer details of.. reality, really. But earlier I was a decent enough human being to avoid the obvious bad things like cornering people for sex, in some part because I didn’t want to be cornered myself. Empathy seems hard for some people, but seems pretty simple to me.
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
katenrala,
My email addy is my nym with no spaces at the Google mail dot com. I would feel deeply honored if you would send me a mail with your mailing address so that I can send you a token of membership into the Lounge. These folks have done for me, and I’m only paying it forward so please allow me to do this, OK?
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
People are really crying “hosanna” over at AVfM over the news.
Here is a pungent one.
And, yeah, WB name checked the usual suspects.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Deoridhe @610:
That comment was full of winning empathy. People like you give me hope for our species. Thank you.
****
I find I am attracted to our jack of all trades guy (seriously, he does the bookkeeping, accounting, PR, computer technicial, handyman and more). I recognize qualities in him that, in years past, would have turned me off. He is effeminate to some degree. That is no longer a barrier to my attraction to someone (though I hope to get to the point where I do not even notice how ‘manly’ or ‘womanly’ a guy is. It is hard to shake these damn societal dictates on gender, but I won’t give up). I thought about it today and realized he has grown on me as I have become aware of his many skills. I have no idea why, but I feel like my tastes are evolving. In previous years the focus on attraction was disproportionately on physical appearance. As I got older, I began to recognize the value of communication skills, empathy, a progressive value system, and an outspoken nature. Now I may need to add skill set to that list.
I used to be so worried that as I got older, I would find fewer and fewer men I would be attracted to, but that hasn’t been the case. My tastes have changed and refined, as well as expanded.
(Oh, the tech+ guy has a hubby. So nothing can happen there.)
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
IJoe:
Comments like your #613 make me wish I lived closer to you. I totes want to hang with you. ‘Good person’ only scratches the surface of you buddy.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Ummmm….
Improbable Joe:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Thanks Tony, and I want you to know that if ever/whenever you find yourself on this side of the country, you’re welcome to stop by and spend the night or the weekend. You’ve been a real friend to me when I needed it, and that gets you all sorts of perks. I’ll even share the good hooch! :)
Ibis3, Blighter and Trampler since 1971:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Improbable Joe
Aww, shucks. Now I got me some warm fuzzies.
Caine:
And maybe not even then? It depends on the type of relationship and what you and the other person are looking for out of it. As I see it, disclosure of one’s private, intimate information happens gradually over time as two people get to know one another, and it’s up to the individual to determine when or even if intimate information is necessary and safe to impart. I think the only exception is if there are third parties who may be fundamentally affected by the relationship (e.g. disclosure about being in a supposed-to-be-committed monogamous relationship with someone else, being in a committed open relationship, having young children in one’s care etc.).
Cool, eh? Does it make up for Harper? Alas, I must say no, not so much. But yes, it’s a sign that we’re still inching forward (yay!). And it almost makes me forget about Rob “The Buffoon” Ford, Mayor of the Centre of the Universe, winning his conflict of interest appeal on Friday. Jupiter’s Thunderbolt, that guy makes me choke. Also, totally lets me forgive the Leafs from losing. Again.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Ibis:
Yes, that’s very true.
Exactly. I completely agree with all of that. As with all things, it’s also highly dependent on the individuals involved. Some people move fast in developing relationships, some people move slowly, some people are in the middle, yada, yada, yada. That’s the reason I get so annoyed with people who insist on generalizing such complexities.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Just checked the pit to see if the slymies were celebrating the news. Nothing so far.
But one wit thinks he is getting the feminists angry because he posted a photo from a special calendar. One that features women lounging in shit.
Wish I could be so cutting edge.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 26th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Potentially feeds into the “gold-digger” meme?
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
rq:
You have email :)
deoridhe:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Tony @616
*blushes, flails, hide in the sofa-cushion fort under the velour blankets*
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Janine:
I do not know how you handle even checking in over there. Props to you.
nightshadequeen:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
Yeah, sadly not everyone in the world knows bash :D
Frankly, I….think the easiest way to find a good word is to get a random string, and assign that to mean “people who aren’t asexual”. Except sbaenupr would be really hard to pronouce.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Nightshadequeen:
Or just have fun with anagrams. “Axslue / Aaxslue” or “Axelus / Aaxelus”.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 26th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
…if “sexuals” feeds into rape culture because certain people are considered “unrapable” due to their sexuality, isn’t the problem with that assumption? This sounds a little like the “We can’t tell kids being gay is normal because then they’ll come out and people will pick on them!” reasoning. :/
deoridhe:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
It’s more like the “don’t do splash damage” rule, in my opinion. I’d consider telling people to deny their sexual attraction and hide it due to threats of violence as categorically different from determining words to be used in a discussion of complex issues.
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:11 am
deoridhe:
Previously you mentioned your new ‘bluetooth’. I’m in the market to replace a lost one and wondered (if you don’t mind sharing) what brand/model you have?
deoridhe:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:20 am
It looks like this image here and that might be my model, but the letters are all little and it’s dark in here. My phone-fantastic-human got it for me, and I love it like a loving thing that loves. It sits around my neck, the earbuds are insanely comfortable (I need to see if I can link it to my computer and ipod, fo’srs), and they are held into the neckpiece with magnets, which are fun to play with. So far I haven’t broken it, which is impressive. My set apparently has a more limited range, but I’ve had no problem leaving my iphone in my purse and prancing around the living room listening to music and feeling very 20th century. It has little controls on it to answer the phone, skip songs, and raise the volume. When you turn it on and off, and an earbud is in your ear, it talks to you in this soothing woman’s voice. I like her and want to make her pancakes, or something. My phone-fantastic-human has an older set just like it and he loves it, but he bought me the latest one because he is way too damn good to me.
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 27th, 2013 at 12:43 am
There’s no way I’m gonna get caught up tonight….
*sigh*
-
Awesome job, for an awesome guy!
:)
Sorry the date was so uninspiring.
-
*high five*
-
*hug* for JAL. Monday morning dentist appointment for me. Temp patch did not hold, and I’m lacerating the hell out of the back of my tongue.
:(
-
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:51 am
Dalillama,
If straights is a correct usage (and I think it is), then gays ought to be, but I go into alert when I see that word. I have to look for other cues to determine whether the speaker is homophobic. And usually they are not — but in contrast, I am not at all alerted by the term gay people. There’s no a priori reason why this should be the case; it’s all learned heuristics.
+++++
Caine,
Of course, this wasn’t an instance of seeing someone use the term sexuals and deciding whether to say anything about it. It was an overt question about what is appropriate. Somebody asks me how I feel about the term gays, I’ll tell them. (For those who are thinking of asking: it’s what I said to Dalillama. It alerts me. I prefer not to be alerted, but I do not judge someone’s thoughts on this heuristic alone. There are also some common constructions, like Uganda’s ‘kill the gays’ bill and ironic invocations of teh gays, which I have habituated to.) Goodness, I already alluded to this when I said in 508 “I was thinking of gay people as opposed to gays“.
Take note now, and feel free to go look at the archives for how I’ve always talked: I avoid the terms bisexuals, transsexuals, transgenders, or gays. Likewise I avoid the term blacks. I don’t have the energy for every fight, but I have a habit of person-explicit language, and I have my reasons for it. I say bi people, and trans people, and gay people after which I think to myself that I probably should have said lesbians and gay men. (I lack enough knowledge of linguistic histories to say why no one uses the term lesbian people; obviously it’s just a historically contingent bit of societal habit, but I can’t say more specifically; but if it was sincerely asked of me I would. In fact there is a more obvious construction — lesbian women — which does get used and makes sense.) And I don’t care whether straights care about being called straights, but my habit is to say straight people anyway, probably because consistent habits are easier to maintain, which is probably the same reason I say white people instead of whites.
No, there isn’t. You can’t demonstrate it by pointing to a lack of objection to observed uses, alongside an explicit response to an explict question; these are different things.
+++++
Deoridhe,
Not in spoken language, unfortunately. Most people don’t have a notion of how to vocalize *, and even those who do are likely to drop it, since splatsexual sounds so absurd.
(Similar problem with all proposed symbols here.)
+++++
katenrala,
In addition to what I just said to Deoridhe, I agree with you that the + suggests being better than –. That is why atheism+, after all. For this reason, I strongly suggest you should avoid it. The best outcome of using it would seem to be subtly reinforcing the idea that it’s better to be sexual. Worse, I can imagine your essay being co-opted to argue against other asexual people who object to the + designation.
If I were writing a style guide, I still think the listing method is best, but for considerations of brevity I think it would be reasonable to list only once in the beginning, “pansexual, homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual people”, so that individual identities are affirmed instead of erased — and then using “sexual people” throughout. Using another listing in the last instance would be very effective.
If that’s the dynamic in the community you’re talking about, I would advise you to argue against it as much as you have the time and energy and spoons to do so, that is, so far as you are comfortable doing so. Obviously only you can know how your comfort there. I intend this as encouragement, not “permission”, and I hope it’s understood as such.
It sounds like you are participating in a forum which has rather strict notions of procedure-as-justice. It should be possible to raise the issue of how you’ve come to feel that your existence is hurtful. That is a big problem which deserves to be addressed.
+++++
Caine,
How about some intersectionality? “The majority” here is extremely varied and in many ways is only a numerical majority, not a sociological majority benefiting from institutional power.
Intersectionally, it matters how one minority group interacts with other minority groups. It matters that women and even moreso women of color are not suggested to be inherently receptive to sex; it matters that gay men and men of color are not suggested to be inherently sexual predators. If the term suggested was even worse, like sexually-interested, it would be patently outrageous to suggest that these things don’t matter
— by the way, we’re not talking about “potentially hurt feelings” but explicitly expressed rational arguments that the terminology plays into empirically known and demonstrated patterns of objective oppression —
and the relative ambiguity of a term like sexuals is not a justification of it. When it matters that gay men are not implied to be sexually predatory, it matters regardless of who’s talking. It doesn’t only matter when heterosexual people are talking, and it doesn’t cease to matter when it’s other gay men, or asexual people, who are talking.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 27th, 2013 at 12:57 am
Since there probably are, or at least will develop, other gradations, “sexual people – those experiencing sexual attraction or desire, who may for instance identify as…” might be a better construction.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 27th, 2013 at 1:06 am
Azkyroth, that’s brilliant!
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:07 am
Katenrala’s essay should be in hir voice. If people think that a particular construction or phraseology is better, they can write their own essay.
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:08 am
The ultimate problem is the existence of rape culture. Other proximate problems are also what affect people living in a current rape culture that will not just cease to exist tomorrow. There is no single the problem.
No, because you’re talking about protecting people from self-identification. (For the record, of course, kids should be told the truth: both that being gay is normal and that they are likely to experience some bullying for coming out. Different kids will then make different decisions about when to come out.)
No one is saying that a person who wants to self-identify with the noun by saying “I am a sexual” should not do so.
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:09 am
It will be.
Katenrala explicitly asked what phraseology to use.
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:10 am
Thanks, deoridhe. That may be more than I can handle without a ‘phone-tastic-human’but thanks for the info : )
And I’m going to copy your 23rd Psalm Remix for posterity (with atributions o’ course). Where should I send the royalty check?
“… the valley of the shadow of assholes…” *snortle*
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:12 am
And no, the implication that it’s perfectly okay for anyone to use any phraseology they want in “their own” essay is absurd. I don’t consent to being called a faggot in just anyone’s essay, for example. These are public matters affecting lots of people and the discussion is taking place in public, so I’m not going to accept the implication that I have to be silent.
Janine: Hallucinating Liar:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:13 am
Tony, I have read a lot about the worst of human behavior. The pit, while unpleasant, does not approach that. It is like dropping in on children who think that farting is about the funniest thing there is.
deoridhe:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:15 am
Yay attributed! I should write it down, huh? >.> Maybe ix the pronouns? I missed a couple of /us/es.
I would loan out my phone-tastic-human, but the headset was so easy to set up that I didn’t need him for it. It’s actually pretty ignorant-proof in my experience.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 27th, 2013 at 1:21 am
Just stuck my head in the T-dome. Wow. Kinda wishing I hadn’t.
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:23 am
The congregation here in the House of the Horde sometimes needs guidelines so yes, edit away. I’ll be looking out for the final draft.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:29 am
Who was it that explained why they didn’t like to refer to heterosexuals as ‘straight’? I think it was in one of the last few Lounge iterations. I liked the idea that ‘straight’ implies ‘correct’ or ‘on the right path’ to many people, and since gays are ‘not straight’, we are ‘off’, ‘different’, or ‘deviant’.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:31 am
WMDKitty:
Is it because of Captain Non-Sequitor, the racist/sexist/homophobe?
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:38 am
I am out of chocolate Silk. It’s going to be a long freaking day with the rats tomorrow.
:sinks head slowly into table:
Fuck the weather and fuck being broke.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 27th, 2013 at 1:45 am
Tony
I dunno, it’s the guy with an unintelligible string of consonants for a username. Had me *headdesking* hard.
…”desk” is a funny word.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:46 am
Hey everybody – I’m mostly ‘rupt but learning a lot as I read up the thread. Thanks for the enlightening discussion. Going to nod off in a minute but I’ve found myself missing it here and wanted to say hello. I’m doing well, I hope everyone else is doing as well as possible.
Wish I could send you some Silk, Caine. I concur with the last sentence of your 648, wholeheartedly. It seems my area will be coated in ice tomorrow.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:48 am
:::wonders if a tech person could install warning lights in front of infested threads, so people could be forewarned that something nasty dwells within:::
(I just checked out page 2 of the ‘women in the military’ thread. Ooooh Boy!
strange gods before me ॐ:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:49 am
Tony, this was the thread: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-backs-away-from-the-inauguration/
There was more discussion about it after your last comment.
I think vaiyt is exactly right on its origins, but as a project of queering up the world, I do want people to think of us as somewhat unconventional.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:50 am
Thanks, Portia. ♥ Stay safe.
I’ll be gone a while. If people need to reach me, I’m available via my blogs or email. (E-address can be obtained from here.)
ckitching:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:51 am
Tony, I’d just suggest assuming that any thread that includes anything that could be considered feminist is infested. “Women in the military” would qualify.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:52 am
WMDKitty:
Oh, the *other* douchebag!
****
::indulges in silly superstition::
Portia:
Were your ears burning? When I first popped into the Lounge tonight, your name sprung to mind and I remembered I haven’t seen you in a bit. I hope all is well.
deoridhe:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:54 am
*tries pouring chocolate silk down the USB port to Caine*
*has unexpected results*
Opps. That wasn’t the best plan… *eyes now sticky laptop*
Revised Horde 23rd Psalm Remix:
The PZ is our Shepard, and we shall not want.
He maketh us lie down with cool science books.
He leadeth us beside our awesome cephalapod overlords.
He restoreth our minds, but only in a metaphorical sense.
He leadeth us on paths of silly wittyness for His name’s sake.
Even though we walk through the valley of the shadows of assholes,
We fear no half-baked theories
For He is with us.
His squid and his cute animals, they comfort us.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow us all the days of our lives,
And we shall dwell in the house of the Horde forever
(or until we all die and get recycled into other living and not-living things).
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 27th, 2013 at 1:57 am
I’m watching Gracie sleep, and wondering what she’s dreaming about. Oh. We’re awake now, stretching, and back to sleep.
OMG, those little pink jellybean toes are just the. cutest. thing. evar. (must resist!)
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:58 am
Caine:
Be well :)
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ckitching:
I _should_ know that by now…but I think my surprise was finding someone posting on Pharyngula who is involved with AVfM. That takes guts. I cannot remember if it is just Pitters that PZ bans on site or if it is other misogynist asses.
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And once again sgbm comes to the rescue with a link. Many thanks!
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:59 am
Caine: Thankfully I don’t have to drive anywhere tomorrow, unless there’s a fire call because someone else had to drive somewhere and the ice didn’t agree with their travel plans. I hope you are well in your absence from the Lounge. Scritches to Angua if she lets you.
Tony: Your superstition makes me smile and feel warm and fuzzy : ) I am doing remarkably well, and feeling strong and good about myself. I reminded myself earlier today to tuck away this feeling in my memory for the next time I’m feeling down. To remember that good feelings are possible and attainable. How are you, friend?
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:01 am
Deoridhe:
One small tweak…we dwell in the Commune of the Horde :)
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:02 am
One edit to the Psalm, if I can be so bold:
And we shall dwell in the
house of the HordeHorde Commune forever.Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:03 am
Aaaaaah Tony! Now it’s my turn to be superstitious: We’re psychic!
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:06 am
Portia:
I think things are looking up. I have a wonderful new job that is almost as perfect an experience as is possible. We open Friday and I hope this sees the beginning of a financial turnaround. Among other things, this year I want to attend one of these conventions (WIS2 is calling my name).
By the way, I would like to share an idea with you (a few others know of it). Is there a way I can reach you via email?
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:08 am
Portia:
Ha ha!
Don’t these things come in three’s? May as well go all out with the superstitions.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:08 am
good morning all
Caine, take care.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:09 am
Congrats, Tony! Sorry I missed the job announcement if you made one earlier. So happy for you, I know how much money has been stressing you out. And conferences! I went to Reason Rally, and it was the first secularism/atheism/whatever event I went to. It was cool, but I’d like to try others. There was one in Madison that I had no one to go to with, so I skipped it even though it was a few hours drive, coulda been a day trip. But, I am braver about doing things alone and venturing out. So there’s hope for me yet :)
Email, I’d love to hear your idea. it’s bravoportia with the goggle email service.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:10 am
Hiya Beatrice! Been quite a while since I’ve been in the Lounge when it was morning in Croatia
Nepenthe:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:11 am
Does anyone know what the group noun is for bros? There’s a herd/murder/pride/pod of drunk ones hollering outside my window and I don’t have the language to describe it succinctly.
(Student-catered apartments: cheap, decrepit, loud, close to campus. But hey, there’s no more wind in my living room now that I’ve stuffed rags in the cracks.)
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:12 am
Tony, two black cats crossed my path at my friend’s house earlier. If they crossed back and forth (and over me and under me and all over me) enough times, do they cancel out? Or am I just exponentially screwed in terms of luck?
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:13 am
Nepenthe:
When I was in high school biology, we were tasked with describing wildlife. Us girls got in trouble with the teacher for preparing out report on the group of guys in the class. I think we called it a “pride” because of their propensity for overt, unnecessary shows of masculinity.
Seriously though, that’s a drag. : /
Nepenthe:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:16 am
@Portia.
Hmm… a group of peacocks is an ostentation. “Ostentation of bros”?
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:17 am
Portia, hello!
I too have been spending less time here. How are you?
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Nepenthe, pit/nuisance/stink?
Personally, I like stink of bros, it nicely covers the “bathed in alcohol” stench and “bros stink” in a more metaphorical sense.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:17 am
Nepenthe:
That’s perfect. And I learned a new, fun zoology fact, so thank you.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:20 am
Thirding ostentation of bros.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:21 am
Beatrice:
Work is going splendidly, I have lots of new clients and am closing some files on satisfied ones. I also am very proud of myself because I think I am making a new friend. I met her at the bar association holiday party, and saw her again at the meeting this week. I’m going to sound like a stereotypical teen boy here but…she came over to talk to me, and then we made a lunch date and I’m really happy I might have a lawyer friend who seems like a very cool, unpretentious person. (During the holiday party we discussed how awkward we feel at these social events).
So that was the highlight of my week. How was yours?
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 27th, 2013 at 2:26 am
Portia, black cats are actually good luck, contrary to what many think. Plus, getting mobbed by kitties isn’t a bad thing, unless you’re fatally allergic.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:28 am
Portia,
Great, for work going well and especially making a new friend.
It’s ok here. I’m getting used to work, colleagues are very nice and supportive. I also have a testing for a payed job tomorrow, basically a similar thing to what I’m doing now except for real pay instead of government assistance. Honestly, if it weren’t for the money and no assurance that I’ll be able to stay after this year, I wouldn’t even try anywhere else, I like this workplace.
Had a bit of a situation at home the other day, so I’m a bit down, but I’m focusing on studying for the test and trying not to think about other things too much.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:34 am
Beatrice:
Best of luck with the test. I’m glad you like your new workplace. Good that you enjoy going there every day til a paying job comes along and snaps you up.
Home situation: yuck. I’m sorry *hugs* I won’t ask if you want to talk about it since you’re trying to put it out of your mind. I’ll just encourage you to engage in as much self-care as you can while you prepare to rock that test.
deoridhe:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:34 am
Commune of the Horde works for me, and also is vaguely socialist so I approve!
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:40 am
WMD Kitty: yes, it was good to be mobbed. I think they missed me. This was the friend who let me live in his spare room for the last 2 years of college. These two kitties are usually lurking around the basement when visitors come, but when I show up they stand on the couch and wait for me to sit down so I can do my scritching duty. I’m not much of a pet person generally, but there are a few that are really endearing to me.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:42 am
Portia:
Any chance you can spare some of that ability to “do things alone and venture out”? If you can bottle that up, I will buy it from you. That will be a stumbling block-for me-to going to any conference.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:44 am
Hm, Tony…I’ll work on manufacturing and packaging that stuff. Best I can do before R&D gets back to me is meeting you at a conference and raising hell together : )
Nepenthe:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:45 am
Uh, Portia, could you put me on the waiting list too. I’ll only accept after Tony gets a bottle, of course.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:51 am
Portia:
Email sent :)
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:52 am
I’m only just getting together bits and pieces of the gumption, myself. But you guys are definitely on the list when I get any excess. (Subtext: don’t be too impressed, I’m taking baby steps : )
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:53 am
Tony:
Receieved, and pondered : D
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:54 am
Nepenthe:
We can share the bottle. I am sure just an ounce or two is sufficient for me.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:00 am
Good night all. This shoop is going to visit the realm of dreams.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:00 am
Ok my head’s starting to hurt a little so I’m going to follow through on going to bed this time. I am happy to have had a little Lounge time though and will be home-bound and Lounging tomorrow. Good night all!
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:11 am
Good night, Tony and Portia.
Cyranothe2nd:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:32 am
Hey all,
I’ve been looking for something interesting to read (Caine, I’m def getting that history of misogyny book you’ve mentioned.) Anyone read A People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn? I’ve found it online here and have read the first chapter. So far, its pretty fucking phenomenal.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:53 am
Cyranothe2nd,
No suggestions, but I’ve bookmarked A People’s History of the United States. Seems interesting. Thanks! ;)
I started The Princess Bride a couple of days ago. I’m not entirely sure if I have read it years ago, or I’m just remembering the movie.
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Beatrice
The Princess Bride is a much different book from the movie, but I love both for very different reasons (at least, the novel that I read, was much different, but still entertaining as hell!).
Tony!!!
Thanks for the email heads-up; reply sent. Had you not warned me, your email would have passed right through my account via the Junk Mail folder. I think it’s the long-running rivalry of yahoo vs. hotmail.
+++
I am officially revoking my re-lurking status, because clearly I am not lurking-only.
But.
Think of me as in a purgatory.
But I’m going to need this place next week; Husband leaves for 6 days on his all-expenses work-paid ski trip to the Alps (annual; Switzerland this year). Not happy. Not because it’s 6 days or 6 days alone or that he’s going to the Alps, but because I’m insanely jealous because I want a trip like that, too. And no one’s giving it to me, and the one time I brought up going somewhere (alone for a weekend) to Husband, he claimed money. And I wouldn’t mind going together with him somewhere, but somehow that also never happens. Because I want a break, too. So I’m stuck where I am and unhappy about it, annnd [end childish whining].
In any event, anyone want to try watching a movie simultaneously sometime next weekend? Convenient time and movie to be decided during the week?
The Mellow Monkey:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:38 am
Jesus fuck. I honestly can’t tell if this is something wrong with my ear or if it’s referred pain from my jaw. I feel absolutely nothing uncomfortable in my mouth or jaw from the area of that wisdom tooth, but the outside of my ear now feels like a cross between a muscle cramp and a fresh second degree burn. The pain itself isn’t all that terrible compared to things like kidney stones, but it’s just so fucking irritating I can’t think. Doubly so because I can’t be sure of what it is, so don’t know if seeing someone about the ear will actually help and I can’t afford to keep having things checked.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:33 am
rq:
Wonderful to have you back.
I know you and I would have a hard time coordinating a movie together. Heck, next weekend is the opening of the restaurant and we anticipate a wee bit of business.
Lynna, OM:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Sigh. The Boy Scouts organization is far from done when it comes to being anti-gay. Even when individual troops within the Boy Scouts decide to NOT be anti-gay, leaders at the national level will not permit this offensive show of tolerance.
Coverage in Mother Jones.
Lynna, OM:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:18 am
In another, related article about the Boy Scouts we find the doofuses losing funders over their anti-gay policies. Excerpt from a Mother Jones article:
Lynna, OM:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:29 am
A Moment of Mormon Madness: fighting the commies in soft rock, a memory written up by ex-mormon, Steve Benson:
The quote is excerpted from http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,773520
Improbable Joe:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:33 am
rq,
Yay for delurking! We should all get together and watch Ethel the Aardvark Goes Quantity Surveying 2: Electric Boogaloo!
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Good morning everybody : )
rq
Hello! Good to see you. Sorry you don’t get a well-deserved break. Also, I agree that the PB book is way different than the movie. I love them both, as well.
Cyranothe2nd
I was assigned to read the People’s History a couple of times in college. So naturally I’ve never read it. But it’s on my list of “things to read someday”.
Lynna
re: MoMM. I guess it’s good to know there have always been batshit preposterous conspiracy theories? Yikes.
Lynna, OM:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:36 am
A Rape a Minute, a Thousand Corpses a Year
Camcaran:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:48 am
dianne:
Sorry it took so long. I appreciate your concern, thank you. =) I used to see a therapist and she recommended going to psychotherapy, but I decided it would be too hard and I’d rather just not remember than go through that.
carlie:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:09 am
You may want to follow Mock The Movie (mocktm on twitter) – they do movies every other week. bad movies. Stephanie Zvan and Lousy Canuck usually promote them on their ftb blogs.
thunk, hull overheating:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:10 am
hia all.
Beatrice: :( for home, :) for job.
rq: yay for the delurk! Sorry about you never getting vacations, that’s way unfair.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:11 am
I missed this. : ) Sounds fun.
Mellow Monkey: I’m sorry you’re in such pain. : ( Hope it goes away soon.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:15 am
*waves at rq*
Just came back from figure skating exhibition gala (European Figure Skating Championship). I like to watch skating, but I don’t really follow the contestants, so I was really happy to recognize one of the skaters I remembered from a couple of Golden Spins I’ve been to, and that he got a nice bronze medal this time. I ♥ this guy, even though I don’t remember why exactly he impressed me so much that first time.
Skaters were wonderful. Other than my favorite, I can’t even choose who I liked the most. They were all brilliant. Well, that’s why they got the medals, right?
The whole thing ended with everyone performing together to Dirty Dancing and for the finish- Gangham Style. I think that bit was equally entertaining for the skaters and for the audience. You couldn’t help but laugh.
Mum had fun too, so that mission was accomplished.
kouras:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:16 am
*wanders away slowly dragging ‘n00b’ flag*
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
rq,
I’m in for the movie, but I fear we’ll have trouble with all the time zones.
I’m sorry you never get to go on a vacation.
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thunk,
Thanks.
—-
Mellow Monkey,
Ouch. Hoping you can figure out what it is soon, and that the pain passes.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:26 am
kouras,
Hello!
kouras:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Hello, Beatrice.
…I feel like I’ve interrupted, and that this is a daft thing to ask, but does Gangnam Style work well on skates?
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
kouras,
It worked quite well.
They didn’t do the whole choreography, just those most recognizable bits. The jumping was a bit tamer, let’s say, but they looked like they were having fun so that counted for most of our enjoyment as well.
kouras:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:54 am
:D Thank you.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
The whole thing finished only a couple of hours ago, so there is nothing on YouTube yet. I’ll probably spam the Lounge with videos in a couple of days. :)
A reason why figure skating is one of the rare sports I can watch live without hating the rest of the audience:
Even when a spectacular jump turns into a spectacular fail, the audience applauds. There’s a collective drawn breath if it looks like the skater might have injured her/himself, but never booing or anything similar.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Less than two hours ago, actually.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
The freezing rain has started out there. I think I might stay in my jammies all day.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
rq
Welcome back.
That stinks about not getting a vacation.
MM
I know the feeling; I’ve been having intermittent problems of a similar nature although not as bad; now that I finally have insurance, I’ll see what I can do about it. Best of luck with yours.
Cyranothe2nd
I’ve read and recommend People’s History. I’d also recommend Lies My Teacher Told Me By James Loewen
Caracan
As I told Dianne, I don’t think that the psychotherapist would have been any more helpful.
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Beatrice
I saw it on TV and kept wondering (since you mentioned you’d be going) where you were sitting. :) A very entertaining show!
re: movie
I know it’s all a bit tough with time zones (which is usually why Mock the Movie is tough for me to pull off), it was just a throw-out idea because I think I’d like the company but I’m not necessarily up for watching a terrible (mockable) movie. Perhaps something familiar but with the feeling that I’m watching it with someone.
One day I’ll get a vacation, a real one (not the kind where we drag along Youngest Child because and then Husband tells me See? I take you out, so why don’t you shut up about it for a while? (but in much nicer terms)). I have lots of time to plan. :) A sort of revenge-vacation, if you will… And yes, I’ll shut up on the topic now. :)
Oh and thunk you’re already the Commune meteorologist, so – yay!
IJoe
That’s a real movie? *blink*
Tony
Restaurant opening = so much more fun. Too bad I can’t go to that.
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Portia
*extra waves*
I second the all-day jammies. No point in getting dressed if there’s no going out!
kouras:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Humans being humane ftw.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
*waves back at rq*
: ) I’m all cozied up in my grandpa’s ancient lazyboy with a blanket and hulu and folding laundry. I think I’ll have a burrito in a little bit. I made a bunch of chorizo/potato ones yesterday to have meals prepared. I feel like a grown up when I do stuff like that, ha. After this I may clean my room to make my sewing machine accessible so I can finally make drapes for my office.
I think it would be fun to watch a movie together. The time zone would be a problem, though. I’m willing to try : ) Movie suggestions?
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Random Musings Straight Ahead
There’s something about my New Lawyer Friend you all might appreciate. She told me a pet peeve of hers that is identical to mine, and I hadn’t even groused about it to her yet. She is so tired of being introduced as her fiance’s fiance. That is, we get “Oh, this is __________, she’s _________’s fiance.*” rathr than “Oh, this is __________, she’s a local attorney working primarily in ________________.” Just like SO, her fiance, S, is the son of a local attorney. So of course that’s two men to whom her identity is tethered, whether she likes it or not. And of course, like me, she is assumed to be a plus-one, or an assistant. We are not given the credit that we might be at a legal event because we’re lawyers. (Have I mentioned I like her?)
*And I get tired of being called his fiance because we are not engaged. It feels weird to me, like people are trying to do me a favor by “legitimizing” our relationship or something. But I guess I do hate the word “boyfriend” because it seems like it has high school connotations or something.
/end random musings, thanks for tuning in.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
I agree, Portia, “boyfriend” sounds juvenile.
If I had a boyfriend, I would probably prefer to consider him my partner. I don’t think that would fly well over here, though. No one uses that, at least as far as I know.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Yeah, over here, partner is used very little. That’s part of the reason I use SO here, just as a shorthand and as a way of avoiding the bf word. Partner sounds stiff to me, I think. But maybe that’s the legal connotations I sift the word through. There’s no perfect word. Well, especially not for S (I think I’ll switch from SO to S). I have no idea what we’re even doing right now with this relationship. It is nice to go to networking events with him though, for someone to talk to.
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
I dunno, I’m ok, I think, with boyfriend, but it does sound a bit juvenile. May I suggest ‘manfriend’? ;) Partner would probably be best… But it’s probably tough to get people to use it properly.
How do you respond to being introduced as ‘the fiancee’? I suppose saying something like “I’m a lawyer, too!” would sound a bit juvenile as well, but maybe the SO adding to the ‘his fiancee!!’ bit a comment about the lawyerly stuff…? And I doubt anyone introduces you first and then the SO as your fiance, no? That would be interesting… Ech, I’m rambling back at you, because I have no idea how to solve this issue.
And for the record, I hate being introduced as the Husband’s wife (even though I am), rather than myself, because for some odd reason, my name gets omitted and people’s eyes just pass right over me, strangely enough…
Movie? The Princess Bride, of course. :) Ok, that’s just a suggestion.
And the time zones can be worked out; I used to watch movies simultaneously with one of my best friends from Canada – it’s a 7 hour difference, but it can be done. So… If you’re up for it Portia, we can give it a try. Especially if you get another freezing rain day! ;)
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21220308
:(
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
rq,
Haven’t seen Princess Bride in ages, I wouldn’t mind watching it again.
I have no better suggestions anyway.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Yeah, I use boyfriend in most conversations. It just feels weird to use the same word for a three-year adult relationship that S’s six year old uses for his playground romance and my 16 year old cousin uses for her 37 day relationship.
Depends on who is saying it, but I sometimes snark about how “I’m not present because I’m a lawyer or anything…” Sometimes I wait for someone to proverbially step in it and obviously assume that I’m not an attorney before I point out that I am. For instance, at one conference, S gave two seminars about his specialty area of law. I was at both, which was noticed by another young attorney. He made a quip that I must be S’s biggest fan and he wished his girlfriend came to conferences to be supportive! He felt very foolish very quickly, I assure you.
But, S is usually pretty good about bringing up something about my accomplishments or something. It helps that people are usually pretty impressed by the fact that I started a solo practice (not sure why, it often feels foolhardy to me!) But you’re right, he is never identified by his relationship to me. Sigh.
Mmm, yes, so strange…what could the explanation be???
I never turn down a Princess Bride viewing : ) I may just use it as an excuse to buy it. I had a copy once but it was lost to time and moving. We’ll just have to pick out a time : )
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Beatrice and Portia
Let’s do it. And invite everyone.
From what I can gather, I’m an hour ahead of Beatrice, but I have no idea how far ahead of Portia I am… It is currently just past 9.30PM here.
And hooray for putting people in their place, Portia. :) I am, as always, impressed with your backbone! (Starting a solo practice = brave on the outside, but feels a bit stupid on the inside… Eh. When you’re rich and rolling in it, it might feel a bit less stupid; I’m hoping that legalizing the translations will bring uncountable millions in for me, even though going official is a bit scary. Hey, I’m allowed to dream!)
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Speaking of movies, I watched three at my friend P’s house last night. The first was Safety Not Guaranteed, which was his number one movie of the year (he’s a big buff). I was entertained but not wowed. Then he insisted on The Cabin in the Woods, even though he knows I hate horror movies. (I don’t like see to see people dying horrificially, it’s just not my thing). I survived it by hiding my face under a blanket a lot. Then, we watched my favorite of the evening, A Fish Called Wanda. That was fun and funny and not horrifying. It was good to hang out with P again, too.
Not sure why I feel so talkative today, I must have been having Lounge withdrawals.
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Oh and Beatrice – they had the body count at 245 here, but they just down-graded to 232. :( Scary stuff!
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Portia,
Lounge withdrawal can be tough. I’m still not used to not being able to spend every day, the whole day, here.
——
rq,
Over here, they wrote that security locked the doors because they were afraid people will leave without paying their bills, but I can’t find any other source saying the same.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Holy.
Horrifying.
SHIT.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Portia,
I hope it’s just our papers exaggerating, since I haven’t found any other article saying that.
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Beatrice
Here, the news is that the club only had the one, small, exit, and that crowds and panic did the rest. I certainly hope it’s not the fault of security!
Lounge withdrawal is horrible.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
rq
It’s 2pm here.
And I’m blushing, thanks for the encouragement. I’m sure you’ll be happy once you get past the hump of formalizing your business.
Beatrice
Here’s hoping.
Nepenthe:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Bleh. Humans get out of bed, shower, and change their clothes regularly, right?
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Nepenthe,
“regularly” varies greatly from person to person :)
Nepenthe:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
*sigh* The cat wants to be fed and I’m starting to be disgusted by my own smell.
Time to get out of bed. If I don’t at least feed the Beast grievous bodily harm may ensue.
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Portia
8 hours, then. Not as bad as it could be. ;)
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Waves of hail are passing over the house. I hope I don’t lose power. That would royally suck. The storm is supposed to pass soon, though. Fingers crossed.
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Fingers crossed.
I’m sure rq has some spare thumbs to hold.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Thanks, Beatrice : ) Your crossing skills are excellent, the rain/hail/sleet looks like it has stopped.
eyeroll:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Speaking of the red tide (albeit ages and ages ago):
One time my Dearie and I went to visit his brothers family on the coast. During dinner the topic of the red tide came up. Dearie asked “Is it a natural occurance or is it a man-made orgasm?”. We were on very polite terms at that time so it was ignored as a faux pas. Later on, behind closed doors, I laughed and snorted so hard they must have thought I was having a man-made organism.
Parrowing buıʍoɹɹɐd:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
*exhales*
Finally caught up. That took a while. Hi, everyone :). I had a feeling bad about myself week. Still feeling it but pulling myself up slowly, I guess. It’s funny, I read all of your comments about feeling like you’re intruding on the Lounge and always, I repeat, ALWAYS, think, “How can this person think that? Of course they are welcome and contribute. I, on the other hand, am truly a waste of bandwidth.” I really hate depression but it doesn’t always help me to recognize that that’s where the mean voice in my head comes from. It can rationalize a whole lot of self hate that I would never direct toward someone else. The worst is being made to feel as if what I let myself put up with makes me a danger to others’ safety.
*
I am also holding thumbs for you, Portia :)
*
rq, is it too late to add myself to the Commune? If I am welcome, of course.
*
Fuck, crying again…
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Parrowing
Thanks for the crossed fingers. I’m not out of the woods yet but doing good weather-wise.
Here’s a large platter of hugs for your perusal. I’m so sorry you’ve had a rough week. If it helps, I always like seeing you when I’m around these parts. Recognizing that the voice in my head is anxiety and not reality has been helpful to me before. I totally understand how hard it is to ignore it though. There’s plenty of room in the Commune, I believe.
carlie:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Oh, geez, good luck Portia!
Parrowing, you are always welcome and wanted. :)
Halp, plz? Can I draw on the wisdom of the horde? The minivan is possibly dying for the last time. We’ve poured so much money (more specifically, credit that still isn’t paid off) that it’s probably really not worth it this time, but we of course have no money for this anyway. But I’m at a loss at the level of not even knowing what to look for – spouse doesn’t really want a minivan, I hate SUVs, but we need to still haul kids and stuff (and ideally be able to tow, but that’s more of a dream). I don’t even know what’s out there right now – crossovers, is that what we’re looking for? I see there are wagons, but they seem quite expensive. I’ve never been at such a loss not knowing where to start with this, because there are so many new cars out now (we haven’t bought this kind since 2001) and it’s so overwhelming. Does anyone have a car that does such things that they like?
Beatrice:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
*hugs* and of course you’re welcome here and in the commune, Parrowing
—
carlie,
Good luck with the car
—
Good night.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Night Beatrice.
birgerjohansson:
January 27th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
“Namibia offers model to tackle poaching scourge” http://phys.org/news/2013-01-namibia-tackle-poaching-scourge.html
Nice to find some good news on the issue.
Parrowing buıʍoɹɹɐd:
January 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Thanks Portia, carlie, and Beatrice :) – It does help to read kind words and thank you for all the hugses! It’s easy enough for me to recognize that it is depression and anxiety messing with me, but it is soooo much harder for me to care when I’m in the middle of it. I am trying, though. And being here helps :)
Ooh and I just realized that if I accidentally hit the back arrow off of the page and come back, my comment is still here! Awesomesauce.
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
HI folks
Partly ‘rupt, but I finished the Hunger Games Trilogy.
Anybody interested in a review?
Although I’m probably the last person on earth to have read it anyway…
rq
I think your husband needs to be kindly whacked around the head with some information about how very, very important your mental and emotional health is and that getting a break once in a while is a much cheaper thing than you having a burn out.
+++
So, Germany has a sexism-debate
Well, mostly it’s men complaining about how unfair it is that a woman (a young journalist) dared to mention that the designated candidate of the libertarial party harassed her. Yes, I’m having flash-backs.
+++
Also, my chicken soup for tomorrow is basically done and only needs fresh veggies and letter-pasta
+++
Also, my hopes of #1′s godsdamn tooth falling out this weekend have failed, so I need to make her an appointment I have no time for
+++
Also Mr. broke off his key in our lock this morning. My most wonderful dad in law could fix it for the moment but told us to call the housing company because this lock will give in completely soon. Chalk down another appointment.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Giliell, I’d be interested to hear what you think of Hunger Games.
Parrowing buıʍoɹɹɐd:
January 27th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Oh and as far as ‘pit names go: ‘Thema Cucumber (‘Thema is short for Erythema Infectiosum or Fifth’s Disease). Thanks to Aratina Cage for the suggestion!
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Ok, I’m telling myself that if I clean the tub and toilet and try to make drapes then I can have a mug brownie. It will work. I will do stuff. Yep.
Parrowing buıʍoɹɹɐd:
January 27th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Go, Portia, Go! You can clean the tub and toilet and have the mug brownie! You can make the drapes and have the mug brownie! You can have the mug brownie! …have the mug brownie! :P
Seriously, though, good luck with all the doing of the stuff!
rq:
January 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Parrowing
Yes, you are welcome to the Commune, definitely. Anytime, with whatever skill-set you may have (lion-taming?). List it up and I will add you in. :)
Portia
I will hold some thumbs for the sleet/hail not to return.
Giliell
Want to do the whacking? :P I try from time to time, but… It’s a work in progress.
Hunger Games? I was skeptical but in the end I was rather pleased (short review). Tomorrow, a longer one!
GOod night all!!
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
haha You are a great cheerleader! Off I go to get it done.
John Morales:
January 27th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Remarkable story of survival: Emaciated teenager survives two months in bush.
(For certain values of “well”, I suppose so. Stupid media spin!)
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Kuiper-Belt:
January 27th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Hello, I am back from my holiday, and not just threadrupt but also pharyngurupt and FTBrupt. I did look up this pit name thing, and it turns out that I am Croup Banana, but I don’t quite understand the context.
I have eaten and drunk many very fine things (with a special emphasis on sheep cheese, lavender, honey and crayfish) and seen many interesting animals, and had some very lovely walks.
*waves at everyone*
deoridhe:
January 27th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
The Princess Bride: I was sad the story of Buttercup’s betrothal wasn’t shown in the movie. You don’t really get a context for her reactions later (and it does make her look a bit like a flake); she literally had the choice between marriage and death, and I think that makes her betrothal to Humperdink a lot more understandable than it was.
A lot of book to movie conversions seem to remove things with explain the actions of the women in them. The Phantom of the Opera movies likewise often change how disgustin and manipulative Erik (the Phantom) is to Christine, and remove a lot of the steps of manipulation she underwent, which again makes her look weak and motivaitonless. In a lot of ways, her relationship with Erik is a profoundly abusive one; he seeks to isolate her, he convinces her others don’t care and can’t be there for her, and by the standards of the time her relationship with Raoul could only be one of patron and mistress, not married couple, which makes her reluctance in their relationship make more sense. Her suffering when isolated with Erik is usually entirely removed (in the book she’s with him for a month and becomes clearly depressed and ill) as is the context of she and Raoul playing at being engaged the month before he goes on a dangerous expedition and she looses access to other people entirely. In what’s left, she appears fickle, unstable, and cruel, but in context she’s a pretty powerless woman trying to do the best for everyone, including the man she loves (Raoul). I’ve ogt an entire rant on how Erik is gradually made less evil and Christine is gradually made more evil over the course of reinterpretations of the book, but I keep not writing it down.
rq: Total suck on wanting fantastic vacation and not getting it! I’m sorry! I’d be up for a simulmovie, or to try it at least, but I don’t have cable, just Netflix and the interwebnet.
Camcaran: Sorry it took so long. I appreciate your concern, thank you. =) I used to see a therapist and she recommended going to psychotherapy, but I decided it would be too hard and I’d rather just not remember than go through that.
If you don’t mind a bit of unsolicited advice, as long as you’re not struggling in your day to day life you should be pretty good. If you do start to struggle and it seems to be coming from nowhere, it might be that time re-asserting itself. In my experience, what we bury in the past tends to come up when our current circumstances most allow it too, so trying to force it is usually pretty foolish.
Skating: It’s one of my favorite sports, and Dirty Dancing to Gangman style just sounds awesome. I am immodestly pleased that some Kpop has broken into the US music scene, even if my favorites will likely never follow (I have an abiding love for Korean Dramas, which means I become fond of a lot of Korean pop bands because they make their chops doing music for dramas).
Books: We need a Pharyngula book list. I keep seeing books I’d be interested in the thread, but not being where I can write them down, and then there are squirrels and some of them are cute, and have you ever noticed how leaves move? It’s like dancing. Oh yeah, books. Lists are good.
I still need to read the Hunger Games. I bought the first one, and now it’s staring at me accusitorily while I reread the Chronicles of OZ on my iPhone. I want light, and cheerful, and sweet, and Ozma, damnit! The world needs more Ozma!
Parrowing: Ug, that part of depression sucks. And then you have the people who respond to your self-hating with, “Why do you hate yourself? That’s stupid.” and then you become both self-hating AND stupid or being self-hating. Yay jerkbrain! *no-pressure offer of hugs* If it helps at all, you’re not alone, you are valuable, parts of your brain are lying to you and hiding your awesome, but your awesome is still there.
Portia: Have you ever read Unfuck Your Habitat? I’ve been finding it somewhat motivating, especially since I got the ap and can set my own to do lists and look at the motivations. Sometimes I just read clean-room-porn, though. Oooh, someone cleaned their bedroom. *gets distracted*
Commune: Do an MFT and running familiarity with Jungian Psychotherapy count as skills? Besides that I’ve got cooking (I have cooked over campfires but I prefer stoves), baking, cross stitch, embroidery, sewing (including clothing; cosplay For The Win!), and being the Quantum Eye that somehow quells difficulties simply by being there (only seems to operate offline, may only work with adults with persistent mental illnesses). I can also analyze almost everything for Feminist Theory, write a half decent poem or remake of a poem, and read a paperback book in under an hour.
Wow, tl,dr; I haz Opinions, let me show you them?
opposablethumbs:
January 27th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
I’m beginning to think I’m turning back into a lurker lately :-(
It’s the combination of trying to do stuff I tend to be slow at doing (helping the Spawn with application paperwork) and feeling (yes, that feeling – the one a lot of us seem to have sometimes) that I don’t have anything to add that hasn’t already been said better by other Horders. Or at least, nothing that I could say without poring over it for hours I don’t really have – but I would like to pay my sincere respects to everyone who’s been dealing with the toxicity that is lee “iron john wannabe” coye over in the Women in the Military thread. Ugh.
I’d like to send assorted hugs to those who could do with and would care for one. Plus an extra one for rq re that, um, contretemps over getting a break if only for a weekend, dammit.
.
On an very revolting note, sadly – has anyone seen reports of a rapist in the UK spared a jail term because he had gone to a faith school where he was taught “that women are worthless” and that his education meant he didn’t know it was illegal to rape a 13 year old?
HOWEVER I must point out that the only news source (and I use that in its very loosest sense) I’ve seen so far (linked to me by a friend) is the Daily Mail online, which means credibility is very low unless there’s corroboration from real news sources.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid-Paedophile-claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html
“Preview error” – so I have no idea how this will look. Urk.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
January 27th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Last weeks pseudo Swiss steak (no pounding of the meat) recipe worked out tastily (still have one more portion of meat, to go with left over potatoes from the previous beef roast), so the Redhead decided I could try a pork roast recipe with dried fruit this week. Just stuck it in the oven. I suspect I’m hitting the limits of my cooking experience, as I get the feeling a few things were left out. If I wrote such a vague PBR for work, I would be fired. *sigh*
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 27th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
deoridhe
I have indeed read UfYH, and I love it. It’s actually in my google reader feed, but there are so many posts I don’t keep up on it. Sometimes I go to it when I need a boost though : )
kouras:
January 27th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
@opposablethumbs
I’m seeing multiple articles which look like either translations or copypasta… given the Daily Mail’s record, I’m not sure who might be plagiarising from whom.
FWIW, Tabloid Watch and other, similar sites don’t seem to be carrying anything on it just now.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Parrowing:
Of course you’re welcome in the Commune; just add your skills to the chart; it’s my job to work out how we’ll use ‘em, apparently. If you haven’t any skills, you get to be general labor ’til you learn some :)
Alethea:
Welcome back
Deoridhe:
I told them we’d need an arcology! But they laughed, the fools! Who’s laughing now, I ask you?
On a more rational note, I don’t see why therapists would be any less valuable in the Arcology than any other large community.
opposablethumbs
I kind of feel the same way; between a new work schedule, some changes in my personal life, and other such, I haven’t been nearly as active as I mean to be. You’re always welcome when you can make it, though.
Caine
A bit late, but goodbye, *hugs* and I’ll be among those waiting with ‘bated breath ’til your return.
Other stuff when I think of it
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
rq:
If you’re still about (or is that aboot?): Seems we’ve been playing delurk/relurk tag. Good ta see ya!
_
And as for: ” See? I take you out, so why don’t you shut up about it for a while?” Gotta love it!
My ex did that- with a twist!
Ex: “You’re so indecisive!”
Me: “Uh, okay let’s go to [names restaurant].”
Ex: “You always want to go there! I heard about a new place that just opened…”
Me: “Wait! You just comlpained about my indecisiveness– I make a decision but instead of acknowledging that I actually did make a DECISION you criticize it and countermand it almost as if I never spoke?” *sigh*
Relationship minefields are such fun, boys and girls!
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
To Whom It May Concern:
Any past, present or future pontifications on Commune culture, on the part of bluentx (aka Anxiety Asparagas), are hereby presented for public consumption.
—Legal-easy enough?*—
*Punctuation correction welcomed.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Carlie, you could always go the hatchback-wagon route. The Outback is a classic, for example.
Pteryxx:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
random: proposed Arizona bill to check and report immigration status of hospital patients and public school students. So hospitals won’t deny care to immigrants, just have them deported after they show up. *spits*
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/27/arizona_bill_would_require_immigration_checks_in_hospitals/
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Query: Thunderdome being especially bad has been mentioned.
Dare I inquire as to the specifics?
Hekuni Cat, MQG:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
The Mellow Monkey:
When my jaw is giving me problems (TMJ), I generally feel the pain in my ear long before the jaw itself starts to bother me. I use it as a warning sign that I might need to watch what I’m eating (that is, switch to softer foods for a while) or need to put heat on that side of my face. Sometimes gently opening and shutting my mouth as wide was tolerable helps ease the tension I tend to store there. *hugs*
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Esteleth:
re: Thunderdome
Unless something else has happened since I last checked in-a couple of MRA defenders/JAQers who frustrated Caine so much she announced another extended break.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
!!
:( :( :(
Hekuni Cat, MQG:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
kouras – Welcome to the Lounge.
carlie – I don’t have any vehicle recommendations but good luck finding something that will suit your needs.
Parrowing – *hugs* You are most definitely welcome.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
I also recommend both of these books.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 27th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Carlie: I really enjoy my Prius but it might be a bit pricey from what you’ve told me. :(
Orange Utan:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
@carlie
I don’t know if they’re considered a minivan in the US or not but have you looked at something like a Honda Odyssey?
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 27th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Commune
Every community needs a reminder that not everything in the Universe has a purpose; I (and my feline companions, naturally) can serve that role, and they can also help control the rodent population.
Television
Watching “Invisible” on H2, this is fascinating stuff! It’s all about things you can’t see with the naked eye.
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
My bad. Forgot to say:
From one (fairly) recent delurker to another: Hello, kouras!
And Parrowing:The Horde included me in the Commune immediatly after my delurk. It’s a friendly bunch around here.*
*Despite any malicious rumors you might have heard : )
~voice in head: “How’d they do that backwards upside downy thingy!? Cool!”~
The Mellow Monkey:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Hekuni:
Very good point. Opening my jaw wide gets a little bit of a “click” in the joint, so I suspect it is referred pain. I know going to the ER and crying that I’m in pain and ibuprofen isn’t cutting it will not get me any help whatsoever, so I’m just stuck for tonight at the very least.
Bizarrely, the only thing I’ve found that does anything at all is vibration. That at least takes away most of the pain while I have it against the ear/joint. I may not be able to sleep tonight, but at least I can have a little relief.
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Commune contributions:
-More books, mags on self-sustainability, gardening, etc. [#1 & #5 Firefox books. DIY books including my dads books on building and carpentry (print date 1947)- maybe those 'old-fashioned' techniques will be necessary post-apocalypse, eh? Back issues of Mother Earth News, Organic Gardening, The Herb Companion...]
-An eclectic CD/LP/Cassette collection . From classical to Jazz and Big Band to Classic Rock to Punk and New Wave to Americana…
Skills (adendum):
gardening
frustrated non-professional librarian
Misc.:
NOT being a gamer I could sub (doing chores) for those who are and who get caught up in the moment: (“I CAN”T STOP PLAYING NOW!”)
Improbable Joe:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
I lost my wallet, and all of my money for the next two weeks. Oh happy day! Could be worse… my new drivers licence is in the mail and NOT in the wallet, and I could have lost it when it had $425 in it, rather than when it only had $80. Still… fuck.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 27th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Oh, does anyone know where I can find some good recipes for the microwave or toaster oven?
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Improbable Joe:<b/
Lost wallet is always a bummer. "Could be worse"= http://youtu.be/jHPOzQzk9Qo *
*Practicing/playing with HTML, etc. Thank you for participating
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
borked
chigau (違う):
January 27th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
That sucks, IJoe.
have some usb-rum
thunk, hull overheating:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Commune:
I have this weird thing in my mind that the commune actually exists in the Orbiter world, next to the Wideawake base on Ascension Island (but it’s a spaceport and everything!)
I was also initially concerned that WMDKitty’s cats would destroy most native life on that island, but given most of it was vegetated by Darwin himself, there wouldn’t be much loss.
thunk, hull overheating:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
I’m sorry, IJoe…
Hope you find it again (or get the money back somehow).
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Kuiper-Belt:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Thanks Dalillama. It’s funny how both going away on holiday AND coming back can be good. My Bloke! Kittehs! My own bed! Proper internet connections! Yay!
bluentx:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Alethea:
A belated(December) thank you for the geography lesson. Yes, I did have to look up Queanbeyan. The pics I found set me off on a long time (since childhood) refrain of “I wanna go ta Australia!”
rorschach:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Off to the airport to fly to Hanoi. Should I try the Cobra blood wine once there, I wonder?
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Kuiper-Belt:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
I can’t quite remember why I was even talking about Queanbeyan now :) I actually live in Canberra. If you ever make it here, I’ll show you round.
@rorshach, of course. It’s kind of like meat flavoured vodka. Not great but not too dire.
Cyranothe2nd:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:07 am
WMDKitty,
Have you tried allrecipes? IDK if they have stuff specifically for toaster ovens/micros, but they do for crockpots, so its worth a look…
Cyranothe2nd:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:07 am
Wow, the ‘preview’ function is seriously borked…
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 28th, 2013 at 12:11 am
Step 1: Rinse and finely chop microwave…
(I’m afraid I pretty much exclusively use them for leftovers or premade products, sorry)
Hekuni Cat, MQG:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:18 am
Joe – Sorry about your wallet. *hugs*
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 28th, 2013 at 12:22 am
It’s the premade products that I’m trying to get away from. As much as I love my rice cooker, I can only eat so much of the basic “rice & veg”, and if I want meats, it’s limited to pre-cooked or microwaveable (neither of which are very healthy).
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 28th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Holy shitballs, allrecipes has ALL the recipes!
*bookmarks*
Thank you, Cyranothe2nd!
(Yep. “Preview” is beyond borked.)
Giliell, professional cynic:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:00 am
Good morning
*hugs* to Caine
and to Joe
Lost wallet sucks. I had a time when in the space of 2 years mine was stolen 4 times in 3 different countries on 2 different continents.
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preview: You know your link works when the preview is borked.
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On a positive note, I mentioned the sexism debate in Germany yesterday. At least 45% of Germans demand that he steps down, while even more agree that he has to at least apologize.
opposablethumbs:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:57 am
Thank you, dalillama! That makes me feel a bit better :-)
That’s a right scunner, iJoe. I take it you mean lost as in lost outside the home, not just mislaid inside the home, so not findable again? Argh!11!! when things like that happen :-(((
Camcaran:
January 28th, 2013 at 2:25 am
dalillama, deoridhe:
Thanks. I’m doing okay. Only when other people talk about their childhood, then I feel left out or that I’m missing something. But mostly it doesn’t really bother me.
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:18 am
Threadrupt.
Tired.
Thinking sleep and I will not be on good terms for many moons.
To lazy to search.
Opposablethumbs, ‘scunner’?
opposablethumbs:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:30 am
Hey Tony!
(I kind of wondered if anyone would be curious to ask :-D – it’s Scots dialect (possibly North of England too, but I’m not sure): scunner = bummer / something that sucks)
birgerjohansson:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:43 am
“Vaccine Will Give You Hangover After Just One Sip” http://www.newser.com/story/161724/vaccine-will-give-you-hangover-after-just-one-sip.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=slate&utm_campaign=greatfinds_rss
Looks like a more tractable version of antabuse.
birgerjohansson:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:48 am
Bo Kaspers Orkester: “Innan Allt Försvinner” . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGlyjcbWkE
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 5:53 am
Tomorrow, 2PM local time. We will have a house.
Pictures or it didn’t happen. Tomorrow.
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Damn you, time zones, I wanted to talk to deoridhe!!
Because I agree (with regards to The Princess Bride and Phantom). I remember reading Phantom of the Opera, which I’d heard was supposed to be this great love story between the Phantom and Christine, and I was terribly disappointed, because the Phantom was actually a manipulator and overall asshole.
I saw Princess Bride The Movie before I read the book, but I have to say, reading about Buttercup’s actual choice re: the engagement clarified a lot of things about her depression in the movie (I mean, losing your One True Love would be depressing on its own, but people do recover from that; being pressured into a non-choice, though, bites even more!).
re: SimulMovie – I don’t do NetFlix, I download things, so I’ll be watching from my computer/USB’ed TV. If you want to participate, we can figure it out! :)
And thanks for the Unfuck Your Habitat link. Love it. It speaks to me on many, many different levels.
I have also added you to the Commune chart I have (to be forwarded to Dalillama for clearance/editting).
bluentx
I need a clarify: when you say gardening, do you mean (a) weeding; (b) decorative (flowers, etc.); (c) vegetables? I’m just asking because so far everyone’s been focussed on food production, we have no landscapers/decorative (flower) gardeners.
Improbable Joe
Oh no!!! I hope for the safe return of your wallet, intact and insides untouched. Because it can happen.
In the meantime, *hugs*. That’s a crappy, crappy situation.
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The Hunger Games: I don’t usually like reading books that are incredibly popular at the moment. It took me years and years to finally read the entire Harry Potter series, and to admit that it isn’t actually all that bad. Clearly, that is an author who started small and simple, but who allowed herself to grow and develop with time and more books.
I read Twilight because my friend from Canada insisted that Edward was The Ultimate Gentleman, and the books were so popular, and she wanted to read them together… Well, I ended up reading them alone but I wasn’t impressed, at all.
So, I resisted the pull of The Hunger Games for quite some time, but my sister read them and said they were decent – the second book was a bit slow (she said), but overall, a good read. I read them, and was pleasantly surprised. I liked the author’s ideas and the way she developed the aspects of oppression in the book. A few things bothered me, like the Districts being pretty racially segregated. I actually liked the second book a lot (didn’t find it slow at all), because it did a lot of organizing and placement of things that would later need to be clear. I think I identified with Katniss the most at the very end, where she talks about her children. For YA fiction, I thought the books dealt well with the serious themes, with a lot less glorification of violence (where those hungry for violence are actually painted more negatively than usual – see Gale) than usual (see Divergent and subsequent books of that series; also bad teenage romance in this one! ;) ).
What struck me the most about The Hunger Games, though, is when I was younger (see: ~14) I wrote a short story called The Mockingbird about a war hero after the war and how she deals with the memories… Tee hee. (It’s a bad story, but the theme was vaguely similar, I like to think.)
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 5:58 am
Caine
:( I hope you’re back soon.
But take care of yourself. *hugs*
I’m going to miss you.
Beatrice:
January 28th, 2013 at 6:29 am
I have never heard of Judith Reisman before, but now I read she’s pretty despicable.
Well, she’ll be giving a talk in our parliament. :|
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 6:35 am
Ew, Beatrice, you made me look her up. :| indeed. (Is this to do with the continuing issue of sex.ed. in Croatia?)
Beatrice:
January 28th, 2013 at 6:36 am
rq, probably.
The RCC is on the offensive.
Beatrice:
January 28th, 2013 at 6:37 am
Big congrats on the house, rq!!!
birgerjohansson:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:00 am
Push for futuristic guns builds on embattled past http://phys.org/news/2013-01-futuristic-guns-embattled.html Personalizing guns so only the ownner can use them.
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New hope for addicts! http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-01-addicts.html
“superior to methadone”
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Lingering kiss: DNA persists in the mouth after smooch http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21729014.900-lingering-kiss-dna-persists-in-the-mouth-after-smooch.html
Dammit, can’t we just design a way to exchange DNA through the internet?
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Economic analysis finds penicillin, not ‘the pill’, may have launched the sexual revolution http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-01-economic-analysis-penicillin-pill-sexual.html
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Graduate student invents new cancer drug delivery vehicle http://phys.org/news/2013-01-student-cancer-drug-delivery-vehicle.html
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Blue:
Eh, break is off. It wasn’t the MRA fuckwit who was the reason, either. That’s neither here nor there, though.
katenrala:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:24 am
Made it to 30 today.
I honestly didn’t think I’d last so long.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Happy Birthday, Katenrala! ♥
Pteryxx:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:34 am
Happy natal milestone day, Katenrala!
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:44 am
Happy birthday, katenrala!!
*confetti! cake! party music!* <- If you don't like any of that, feel free not to accept!
katenrala:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Chocolate chip ice cream cake time!
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Please? *extends plate in USB and katenrala direction, with requisite puppy-dog eyes*
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Here’s something interesting: a celebration of human diversity, of sorts…
carlie:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Best wishes, katenrala! Please to accept our affection and hopes that today is a good, good day. :)
FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist, with anit to pick):
January 28th, 2013 at 8:08 am
katenrala
Squiddy birthday to you.
Squiddy birthday to you.
All tentacley and inky….
Squiddy birthday…tooooooo…..youuuuu!
rq
Wheeeee! That’s
excitingfantasticannoying news. ;) I was counting on bureaucracy to hold you up at least until we had say, a roof or some such. Sigh, that’s bureaucracy, always letting one down.In all seriousness, that’s fantastic. I hope it’s smoother going from here on in.
I’m not sure if you were around when we the skeleton house showed up so here’s today’s picture.
iJoe
A boo and a hiss for the vanishing wallet of disappearingness. I hate when that happens, mostly because I always end up thinking about it over and over and over until I’ve convinced myself that I must be the most stupid person in the world to manage to lose something so personal. Never mind that if someone else confessed to feeling that bad I would try and convince them that shit happens, so never mind.
Besides losing my wallet is small potatoes to an accomplished and accredited absentminded geek such as myself: two months after I got married I lost my wedding ring for the first time. The second time involved sheep…
And with that hit and run I really must to bed.
Cannabinaceae:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Here’s a “recipe” for microwaves, if you can stand nuking stuff in plastic wrap (I admit I sometimes kind of wonder).
Take a delicata squash, halve it lengthwise and scoop out the seeds. Wrap each half in plastic wrap and nuke them on high. In our machine a delicata takes about 7 minutes; YMMV.
It would probably work with larger squashes, but If I’m using those it’s generally to feed a crowd, so I usually roast in the oven*. Delicatas are small and** very tasty, it’s almost as if they have their own butter and brown sugar built in.
*for example, large though our microwave is, a Hubbard will Simply Not Fit.
**let me remind you that I pretty much find vegetables disgusting on their own. There are exceptions.
Cannabinaceae:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:19 am
Forgot to mention: I grind some fresh nutmeg onto the squash, and I’m not averse to tarting it up with actual butter and brown sugar.
Cannabinaceae:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Forgot to mention: nutmeg, butter, and sugar treatment are for after the squash is cooked. Gack! Three posts to cover a trivial reply. I am in arrears on my coffee. I’m now off through the Wintry Mix to claim same.
katenrala:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:23 am
Traditional birthday song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8npI0Xe2wi4
:p
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:29 am
Happy birthday, katenrala!
*confetti* *cake* *champagne*
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:42 am
FossilFishy
Well, unless the Bank places another unexpected stumbling block tomorrow at the signing, I win!
And Skeleton House looks wonderful. I hope the flesh is coming along well, too!
Good night!
(… I’m not going to ask about the wedding ring+sheep incident. Not directly. I’m going to do so subtly and unnoticeably, by couching it as a non-question within the parenthesis of a post on a completely different topic, by saying that I’m not going to ask about it, at all. …)
Parrowing buıʍoɹɹɐd:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Happy birthday/grattis på födelsedagen, katenrala!
*
Thank you for all of the kind words, everyone :). I actually feel quite a bit better today. My parents agreed to help my husband and I out a bit financially, which is a huge stress reliever. I experimented with some weird but good nutmeg cupcakes this morning with a chocolate and pumpkin spice frosting. And my husband and I totally Unfucked Our Habitat this weekend. I guess what I’m saying is that I’m happy to be feeling happy about these things. This doesn’t happen as often as I’d like. Thanks again to everyone here.
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YAY on the house, rq!
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Re: Commune-
-I have decent cooking/baking skills, perhaps with a penchant for recreating foods from restaurants that I no longer have access to? If that’s a skill. Of course, that’s really only helpful if I’ve tasted the food before, so quick! Find me all of your favorites and send them through USB!
Other than that, I think I fall right into the entertainment group. I can act (I hope), sing, (But I cannot dance. No, really, I can’t. I am not what “they” call a triple threat.), write fiction and perhaps some non-fiction, paint, draw (including portrait), do some origami (I am pretty good at making paper flowers so I can set some of those around the gardens until the real things grow), and other craftwork that I can’t really categorize. I have a knack for noticing odd and disposable objects that ought never be thrown away but instead used in some sort of art piece that I’ll get around to one day. Whether that’s a skill is up for debate but sometimes those pieces end up being useful for creative fixes around the house.
Sorry for the lack of survival skills but I don’t wanna be zombie bait so please tell me there’s a place for me!
The Mellow Monkey:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:55 am
Happy birthday, katenrala!
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:57 am
Happy birthday Katenrala!
Woooo!
iJoe, that really sucks. *hugs* and sympathy. I’ve been there far too often
Toaster oven recipe: I like to poke holes in a sweet potato and wrap it up in tin foil and keep resetting the timer til it’s been in there an hour.
rq and FossilFishy
Woooohooooo hooouuuuse!!! :D
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 8:59 am
Parrowing
Skills noted. I see I need to open up a couple of categories just for you.
And entertainment in a post-apocalyptic world is vital, just so we don’t all end up doing cave-painting (currently by Portia) or shadow-puppeting our way through all the dull, quiet, no-zombie evenings. ;)
Tony the Super-Duper Queer Shoop:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Camcaran:
I have issues related to memory as well. I do not recall many of the events of my life as a child or teen. I will try to elaborate another time when I am more coherent.
UnknownEric:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Happy birthday, katenrala!
I just spent a good two minutes laughing at this mildly amusing image.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:05 am
If there’s a “crafting” skill set section, I’ll sign up. I also have a particular affinity for
:)
katenrala:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:07 am
@ rq
I’ve got usb 3 ports, cake and goodies might fly out too fast if your computer is older. :b
@ UnknownEric
*snickers*
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:09 am
I just got to the point (reading backwards) that asked for my permission to post my comments to the wiki Consider my permission given for publication, dissemination and any other use of my Commune comments.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:09 am
UnknownEric
I guffawed. : )
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:10 am
katenrala
I’ll just add a funnel and large bowl on the other side. ;) Unless you’re just trying to not-share… *pout*
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Finished the Big Fucking Experiment.
Analyzed data.
Saw numbers that looked the right distance apart.
Ran the stats.
p=.0553.
ARGH.
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:15 am
UnknownEric
Thanks for that. *snicker*
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Esteleth
That hurts. That hurts a lot. :( Sympathies.
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:20 am
In my own defense, the fact that I was able to glance at the table and say, “hmm, looks like maybe!” and be that close is good.
Still. Fucking standard deviation.
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Also, I have added a brand new category in the Commune spreadsheet, which was prompted by thunk. It is the Machinery category, with sub-categories like Tractor, Bus, etc. Anyone with skills in heavy machinery may apply, even if peripheral or simulated (hey, it’s better than nothing!). And yes, scientific machinery counts!
Open categories: dentistry, optometry-grade glass-grinding.
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Camcaran, outside of some of the traumatic events, of which there were too many, I remember very little of my childhood. I have years which are complete blanks. I figure there’s probably a good reason for that, so I don’t worry about it.
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am
bluentx, chigau, thunk, Hekuni Cat, Giliell, opposablethumbs, rq, FossilFishy, Portia… thanks a bunch. Yeah, the wallet was lost outside of the house in a store parking lot, I drove back to look for it and left my name and number with the store manager. We’ll see what happens. I’m not all broken up about it, surprisingly calm considering. I needed a new wallet anyways, my ATM card was a few months from expiring, and in the grand scheme of things $80 isn’t going to make or break me. I managed to take out spending and gas money for my wife and set it aside, and I put another $250 on the SpokesGuitar(I sold the amp that I traded for my gun!) I’m not HAPPY, but I’m trying really hard not to beat myself up about it.
rq, congrats on the house!
katenrala, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!
Caine, glad to see you not run off by some fucknugget MRA-type.
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Oh, and WMDKitty… have you ever considered cooking in your rice cooker? I’ve heard good things…
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Best kitchen investment I ever made was a $2.50 plastic basket that fits inside my rice cooker. Converts the cooker into a veggie steamer. ♥
Nutmeg:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Happy birthday, katenrala!
*sparklers* *ice cream cake*
carlie:
January 28th, 2013 at 9:43 am
Huh, now I wonder what exactly I have – it is a steamer basket on the bottom, with a solid rice basket that goes inside it.
Beatrice:
January 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am
katenrala,
Best wishes for your birthday!
*dark chocolate cake (with oranges, if you like it)*
chigau (違う):
January 28th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Happy Birthday katenrala!
Caine, poisoned chalice:
January 28th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Carlie:
Sounds like my all purpose steamer, same set up.
opposablethumbs:
January 28th, 2013 at 10:37 am
All best wishes for the go-round-the-sun day, katenrala! Chocxolate chip icecream cake sounds soooo good …
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Letter #1 from the jerks who were exploiting my pro bono client’s lack of proficiency in English said basically: “So sue us.”
Letter #2 (after receiving the results of my investigating) said “Erm, yeah, let’s settle.”
WIN. :D
thunk, hull overheating:
January 28th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Except I don’t actually know anything, I’m a nub. (I’d probably crash the ship while docking, or at least give up because of not having any landing lights).
(I don’t actually know how to fly planes in real life. Or cars, for that matter.)
opposablethumbs:
January 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Portia, that is so so fucking cool. Clenched tentacle salute!
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Yeah Portia, kick ‘em in the fork!
kouras:
January 28th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Welcoming people: Hello/ thank you/ yay!?
Katenrala
Happy birthday.
Portia
… Nice one.
rq
Erm. Any use for a student geologist with some experience running pneumatic systems?
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :):
January 28th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Happy birthday *gentlehugoffer*
Camcaran:
January 28th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Tony, Caine: It’s not that I’ve thought I’m the only one who has similar experience, but I have never talked to anyone who does. So it’s good to hear you share. =)
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Portia
*confetti! CONFETTI!!!!*
Like I keep saying, you rock. ;)
kouras
Definitely room for you. Filing under ‘Science and education’ (for the geology), and – do pneumatic systems count as machinery or technology? ;)
thunk
Don’t worry about that. It’s the thought that counts. Right? Or, in this case, the conceptual knowledge. ;)
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Thanks, kouras,iJoe, opposablethumbs, and rq :D I’m feeling pretty good about myself. It’s a nice change!
How’s everybody else’s day going? I’m gonna eat some lunch.
Minnie The Finn, qui devient bientôt vierge:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Hi all!
Seeing as this thread is coming very close to portcullis, I won’t even pretend that I’ve read any comments. I’m desperately, miserably, desolately threadrupt and won’t have time to fix it any time soon.
Just wanted to say hullo to all. Confetti, bacon, chocolate and glitter sprinkles for all who have a reason to celebrate, and a hug for all in need of one.
The news about 26 tonnes of goat cheese catching fire in a tunnel in Norway cheered me up no end, though. Last week, was it?
Esteleth, OH NO ZEBRAFISH ABORTION IS MURDER:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
*bursts out laughing*
I tried to make some joke about “yogurt” but I cannot pun today. :(
la tricoteuse:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Something about go backwards inside a yurt?
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 28th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
[Lounge]rupt. Scrolling in a series of skips and short hops (and I trust that anyone propagandising for the World Equine Bureaucracy, or suggesting plowing up all arable land and planting nothing but peas, will be pointed out to me by Interested Parties).
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Nephew-in-law is hospitalised with a psychotic break of some kind. Sister hypothesizes a catastrophic interaction between his muscle relaxant (which he’s been on for a month?) and his newly-prescribed Lipitor. He was having trouble for 2 days before it all hit the windmill, and his GP just blew it off.
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Professional temp patch has been installed, which will hopefully last until we can get the filling replaced. At least the x rays didn’t show anything dire lurking beneath the current filling.
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*hugs* and *chocolate* and sympathy for Caine.
I have no quarrel with the weather, just now, but I will gladly join you in a hearty chorus of “Fuck Being Broke”.
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*waving* at Portia.
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rq, I am selfishly pleased that you are officially de-re-lurking.
:)
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To my mind, the ear/jaw/sinuses cross-connecting pain display is yet another bit of evidence against “Intelligent Design”. It’s just stoopid.
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kouras, welcome in.
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*hugs* for Parrowing. And I don’t recall seeing a sell-by date on Commune membership.
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Giliell, I still haven’t read The Hunger Games, or seen the movie—though we have it recorded.
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iJoe: Fuck, indeed. *hugs*
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Hekuni Cat, MQG:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
rq – Congratulations on your new house!
katenrala – Happy Birthday! *hugs*
Portia – Congratulations on your victory!
cicely – *pouncehug* I hope your nephew-in-law recovers soon.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Hi cicely!
There was no Horse Insurgency while you were absent…none at all…nope… *shifty eyes*
Thanks Hekuni Cat :)
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Wall o’ text time, because you lot have been talkative while I was in bed.
IJoe
Ouch. Hopefully you get it back/ find it.
Caine
Welcome back. *hugs*
katenrala
Happy Birthday! *hugs*
Parrowing
Entertainment is fundamental to human society, which the Commune is meant to be.
rq
yay for the house. Also, I am so envious of you (and fossilfishy); there are loads of houses for sale here, none of which we can even come close to affording.
Esteleth
Ah, the glamorous life of reaserch, eh?
camcaran
My own memory recedes into a sort of fog from about 2-3 years before the present; there are a few particular incidents that I can recount, and I can recall general thems in my life, but for the most part I recall them as a story that I’ve told many times, and was told myself a long time ago more than as memories of things I did. As you say, though, it’s really been just a quirk; people get used to my needing to be reminded of things, and I don’t participate much in discussions of childhoods, but beyond that, it’s just a thing.
Ours came with a steamer pot that fits on top of the rice portion.
Portia
Excellent!
kouras
Welcome. Pneumatics are good, and knowing where the rocks are and what they’re good for is always a plus.
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Found my wallet in the garage… don’t ask me how it got into that corner of the garage, because I don’t know. I don’t care either. All that counts is that I have my wallet and my money and so yay! Fuck you world! You ain’t not beez holding me down!
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Woohoo, Joe! Awesome!
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Dalillama
If you look hard enough, or wait long enough, it will come. We’re only able to afford this one because it dropped out of the blue, blue sky. And the owners are leaving the country in a hurry, so the price is well below anything else in that class, and we just happened to be lucky enough to jump on it. So, I’m going to hold some thumbs for your benefit, and hopefully a house suitable in all respects for you and yours (presuming you do want one of your own? including financial umbilical to bank? ;) ) will appear sooner, rather than later!
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
*happy happy dance for Improbable Joe*
That is a relief.
cicely
At least you got my knitted ponies. ;)
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
rq
The bank can’t be more of an asshole than the landlord. Either way, I have to pay someone every month or be kicked out, but when I’m paying the bank 1)We can remodel the place to our hearts’ content, including things like a garden and energy efficiency improvements, and 2) eventually we’ll be able to stop paying the bank, and still have a place to live.
Ijoe
Sweet! That’s great news.
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Dalillama
You’re right, of course. It’s the difference between knowing it’ll be yours eventually, and throwing money into a deep, dark hole.
cicely (Mostly Harmless):
January 28th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
rq: Congrats on the house, and may it be real with or without pics!
:)
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Happy birthday, katenrala!
*cake&ice cream*
Correction:
*chocolate chip ice cream cake*
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Parrowing, all in the world you have to do to avoid being zombie bait is be able to out-run me—and that is a really low bar, so you should be golden.
:)
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UnknownEric: I lol’d.
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Portia: Huzzah! for WIN.
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Minnie!
*pouncehug*
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Hekuni Cat
*pouncehugback*
Me, too. I’m hoping that 1) it is the result of Fun With Chemicals, and therefore a Bug, rather than a Feature, and that when the meds are out of his system, Normality will be restored; and 2) they find some less-reality-breaking solution to replace it.
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I’m sure there wasn’t, because I am absolutely certain that nobody hereabouts would willingly be party to such a thing.
Almost absolutely certain.
Moderately certain, anyways.
*pause*
All right, rq—turn out your pockets, then put up your hands and all your flippers.
*frisks rq for hidden sugar cubes or other Horsey Treats*
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Hurray for Found Wallet!
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Dalillama: and don’t forget 3) you can dig up the whole yard and replant it in catnip, if you want, with no landlord to say you nay. Then you can watch buzzed kittehs rolling around in your yard.
:)
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rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Just hands off the magic carrots, cicely. I need those for tonight’s House-Blessing Ritual.
WMDKitty (Always growing and learning):
January 28th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Happy birthday, katenrala!
iJoe
I hadn’t considered just throwing stuff into the rice cooker, no. Well, other than veg.
teh stoopids
I once spent a good five minutes looking for my lighter, only to realize it was right there in my hand and I was using it as a light source. Yeah.
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Like looking for my glasses when I’m holding them carefully in my hand while shoving aside everything else on the desk in my frantic search. Yeah. :)
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
WMDKitty & rq, I’ve don’t some dumb things, you’ve done some dumb things… but the lighter story reminded me of one of the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen: a buddy of mine was checking for leaks under a vehicle with a Zippo lighter.
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Joe:
Does this friend still have a face?
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Portia… yeah, he’s got a face last I saw him. It has been a few years though, and he’s always had the tendency to sort of lead with his face. Not that he has much choice, he’s got a XXXL head. I met him in the Marines, and they had to special-order him a helmet and gas mask.
Hekuni Cat, MQG:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Joe – Excellent.
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Thanks Hekuni Cat. Youse is good people. :)
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Joe:
Well hopefully his giant head is still attached
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My dad just called and said he’s on his way from two states over. He’s staying with my uncle, not me, but I still wish he was capable of giving anybody more notice of his plans. At any rate, he’s arriving several days before his live-in paramour, so we don’t have to tolerate her all week. Which is great. It will be nice to see him. (I guess I have made a couple visits to his area without contacting him at all, so he’s already doing better than me : p )
birgerjohansson:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Happy birthday, katenrala!
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Improbable Joe
Wallet might have been tangled with a brane from another dimension. That kind of stuff happens to me all the time.
Minnie The Finn,
I just realised that here in north Sweden, we sometimes refer to Finland as The Other Side…(of Kvarken), which makes it sound like communications should be made with an Ouija board.
ImaginesABeach:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
I’m approximately 3 weeks LoungeRupt. I’d just like to point out to rq that you never had a chance at permanent lurkerhood. As Chas pointed out some time back, this place is like crack.
birgerjohansson:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Joe, does cat/dog/small human have access to the place where you found the wallet?
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Improbable Joe
Your friend is braaave. /snark I’m glad he still has all his pieces. Perhaps he should count the marbles upstairs, just to be sure…
Portia
Many *hugs* and I hope things go well.
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I’m off to bed. Tomorrow is an important day.
philosophia:
January 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Question: Has science shown that women and men are different (other than the obvious physical differences in reproductive organs, average physical strength, average height, etc.)? I get the impression from this blog that PZ and many commenters believe that the matter has been settled, and that not only is it incorrect to say that other differences exist, but it is sexist. PZ wrote that Harriet Hall’s statement that “Science has shown that real differences exist” is a sexist statement.
It seems to me that research is leaning towards “real differences” actually existing. I recall a Scientific American article on gender research back in 2005:
http://www.bio.uci.edu/public/press/2005/hisherbrain.pdf
“..over the past decade investigators have documented an astonishng array of structural, chemical and functional variations in the brains of males and females…[The view that differences in the brains only referred to mating behaviors, sex behaviors and the hypothalamus] has been knocked aside by a surge of findings that highlight the influence of sex on many areas of cognition and behavior, including memory, emotion, vision, hearing, the processing of faces and the brain’s response to stress hormones….So the existence of widespread anatomical disparities between men and women suggests that sex does influence the way the brain works…at least some sex differences in cognitive function do not result from cultural influences or the hormonal changes associated with puberty—they are there from birth.” The article cites a study in which even male monkeys who were unlikely to be swayed by human cultural influences, preferred “male” toys and the female monkeys tended to prefer “female” toys. Another study showed gender differences in human babies after one day of life. Another suggests that “females may better equipped to tolerate chronic stress than males are.”
So if this article gives a fair account of research into gender differences, Harriet’s statement is well founded. Her prior statement, “I think it is unreasonable to expect that equal numbers of men and women will be attracted to every sphere of human endeavor.” would seem to be reasonable but certainly not proven. The conclusion is something we can all agree with: “We should level the playing field and ensure there are no preventable obstacles, then let the chips fall where they may.” Once we remove obstacles, we may find that more females are attracted to science than males. Is that sexist? I see nothing wrong with her statement either scientifically or culturally. I definitely don’t see that science has shown that there are no innate differences between male and female preferences, or ways of responding to the world. Perhaps commenters here might be able to give me evidence-based arguments in favor of PZ’s point of view.
Thanks,
Sophia
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Night rq! Thanks for the hugs. I’m sure it will be good.
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I stopped reading Sophia’s comment after I realized it was improperly labeled as a “question.” You’re looking for the Thunderdome,
dear. To which I am too lazy to link. If you can find the Lounge, you can find the ‘Dome.opposablethumbs:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
The Lounge seems to be a happy place this evening :-) (yay for found wallet. btw, iJoe).
One helping-spawn-with-applications-paperwork done, several to go. Progress …
rq:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
[sneak]
ImaginesABeach, I realized that after a week of trying. A week! I can’t do it. If I want to re-lurk, I have to stop lurking altogether and not turn the computer off. You guys are like the invisible support network I wish I had in real life (the one off the computer, that is). Not having one out there makes this one all the more important.
philosophia, the Thunderdome is that way. *points in general direction* Vervets, is it? Definitely time I was in bed. *urk*
[/sneak]
Portia, wishing for spring:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Opposablethumbs:
*raises pom-poms and begins chant to rally the crowd*
Wooooo! You can doooo it! Those applications don’t know what hit them!
rq:
I’m glad you have this group for when you need it, and I’m glad you are as addicted as I am, ha. It sure does come in handy when I need it. : ) Now go to bed, young lady! ;)
Parrowing buıʍoɹɹɐd:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Portia, now you have the cheerleader bug.
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
birgerjohansson,
No for pets, yes for entangled branes. There was a Twilight Zone/Outer Limits episode exploring the idea that reality is being built section-by-section by crews that exist just a few minutes to a few hours ahead of us, and when we can’t find something that magically appears in an obvious spot the next day, it is because one of the crews is slacking, and a crew further up the line fixes the error.
Allowing the kids in the garage is too much like letting them go outside… NO! I can’t go a day without doing a head-count of the pets at least once, to make sure I didn’t accidentally let one or more of them outside.
rq & Portia, my large-headed friend is both smart AND scramble-brained. Like a whole lot of us, really. He’s smart, he did pretty well in artillery fire direction school, which is a lot of geometry and a little trigonometry and required learning to use a slide rule and log book in case the computers were hit by an EMP blast. But at the same time, he got ripped off by a phone sex operator to the tune of several thousand dollars, because he thought they were in love. Also, one time he dove over a swinging log and knocked himself unconscious.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Kuiper-Belt:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Happy birthday, katenrala!
I see you are well supplied with chocolate chip icecream cake, so how about I add some lavender chocolate frogs. (Shape only, no actual amphibian harmed.)
philosophia:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
I definitely am not interested in Thunderdome, where there are a lot of personal insults, often with obscenities thrown in. Not what I’m looking for! I’m interested in more information on this topic. I came here, as a place where you can discuss “whatever you want” in a calm, kindly manner. I actually started the topic with optimism that I would receive informative replies, that it would be a short and simple exchange of information.
Sophia
Improbable Joe:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
opposablethumbs, thanks for the “yay” now get those applications done!
Speaking of which, my wife needs to get started on my applications for school in the fall.
PZ Myers:
January 28th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
NEW THREAD.
By the way, Philosophia, that’s a really stupid comment and a complete misreading of my statements, as well as a good example of question-begging. Let’s not repeat it, shall we?