Dec 18 2012

# [Lounge #389]

This is the lounge. You can discuss anything you want, but you will do it kindly. What do you think? Is it a pangolin kind of day?

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##### Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

A baby pangolin? Okay, that is actually cute.

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

Oggie – you are silly.

(Portcullis’ed)

Latin experts – translation?

Mea culpa, ecce signum,
Corpus vile, coram deo
Pactum serva,
Scala caeli, gloria patri, pax et bonum
Casus belli, lusus naturae

Dies illa, velut luna, dona es virtum

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##### Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

Oggie – you are silly.

Unless the conversation drifts to something I actually know something about, that’s pretty much all I’m good for.

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##### mythbri

Yes. Yes it is a pangolin type of day, because I had never seen one of these before!

….

There is a painting rampaging its way through Facebook at the moment (FB is the only way I can stay in touch with some people – otherwise, the hassle would be more than enough for me to say goodbye to it forever) that shows a bunch of children in a classroom with a female teacher, hanging out with Jesus.

This picture enrages me. It enrages me because of the message it carries – that these tiny kids, who were all around 6 years old, who were instantly snuffed out by an asshole with a gun and far too many bullets are somehow better off now. Because people believe in this fictional place in Heaven, they do not truly feel the magnitude of the loss. This isn’t enough to make them change. This isn’t enough for them to want change. This is just “one of those things” that happens. It’s sad for a long time, but those of us not intimately connected will forget about it all too soon, without any meaningful change having taken place.

WAKE UP, PEOPLE.

Seriously, what is the minimum amount of children required to die in a single shooting before we can move past the debate about even having a debate about gun control, and our mental health system?

Fuck.

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##### logicpriest

I had never even heard of Pangolins until Ubuntu 12.04 or so. Had a cute stylized illustration of one all curled up around a branch.

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##### Gregory in Seattle

@Katherine #2 – Best I can tell:

My guilt, behold the sign,
Weak body, before God,
Keep the pact,
The scale of Heaven, glory to the Father, peace and goodness
Without care, go with me,
The case for war, a freak of nature

That day, like the moon, is giving virtue.

Also known as the Balrog Boogie by the Diablo Swing Orchestra.

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##### logicpriest

Ooh also I sent out the Merry Squidmass cards to a bunch of family members, not sure what to expect. There isn’t anything blatant on them, but with Fox’s war on xmas I am slightly worried a few may throw hissy fits.

Just thought I’d share.

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##### Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

Crip Dyke: conscious and human, experiences spare time after a period without not dissimilar in length to the amount of time spent hibernating each year by a brown bear in the Canadian Rockies.

…And her first morning experiencing said spare time involves FIrst Snow and her beloved husky.

Wow. Even with the partner at work, this is a great morning.

I’m pretending right now that I don’t have to clean the house of weeks of accumulated crap. For now, I slept in til 7, and didn’t pick up a computer til 8:30 (5:30 being more average on school days, as early as 4am sometimes since studying in the evening is Right Out). Glorious.

Carlie – sorry things have been so traumatic. Nothing to that of the families in the Newton shooting itself, of course, but obviously so, so stressful. Being outside of the US, our girls didn’t get too much of this, mercifully.

Portia – I just discovered a place nearby that makes vegan cupcakes. I have now had 2 – one after I finished my first final exam, one after I finished my last. I smell a delicious tradition developing.

Have to read the “break a leg”" discussion – haven’t yet, though I noticed it existed. I suspect David Marjonovic is involved – the thread is always good for some education when he’s around.

Best to everyone. I’ll be poking around much more regularly over the next couple weeks – for you good or your ill I leave to your judgement.

CD

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Gregory:

Yes it is. I heard it and was like “Wait, that’s Latin. Now I gotta ask what it means!” Cause we’ve got a lot of Latin experts on Pharyngula.

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##### Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

I see pangolin and immediately ankylosaurus comes to mind.

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##### Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

I see pangolin and immediately ankylosaurus comes to mind.

[pedant]More of a nodosaur. No club on the tail.[/pedant]

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##### Gregory in Seattle

@Katherine #10 – Given how disjointed the phrases are, I suspect the writer just took random phrases from the Catholic liturgy and archaic expressions and strung them together. Describing them as “lyrics” is a bit generous, IMO.

I had to look up lusus naturae; it literally means “game of nature” but was apparently used a few centuries ago to describe something that didn’t fit in with preconceived notions of “natural.”

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##### pHred

Finished grading the on-line discussion forum! Hurray – it’s chocolate time!

Sigh, then I have to grade another set of submissions and stacks of exit slips before I can assign final grades. But still – chocolate – ooh – I can go to the bookstore and get peppermint hot chocolate! Even better!

Can listen to the news at all – makes me either cry or get violently angry. Neither is helpful right now. Son (10) knows in general what happened, daughter (5) is being completely sheltered from it, thank goodness.

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##### pHred

Ugh – that should have said Can’t not can… apparently I can’t type today either.

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##### AJ Milne

… also known as the Balrog Boogie by the Diablo Swing Orchestra

I feel richer, somehow, for now knowing there is such a thing.

(There always should have been, obviously.)

… in other news, re enraging Facebook posts and That Thing That Everyone Is Talking About, I think I’ve generally made up my mind not to talk about That Thing That Everyone Is Talking About…

… except, of course, where I mention that I’m not talking about it. Shouldn’t have said, should I have?

Oh well.

Sorta more seriously: it’s not that I think no one should talk about it, nor do I judge those who do (tho’ I can’t help judging those who say really stupid stuff about it, so sympathies, seriously, mythbri/#5, and suddenly, I’m oddly grateful to my Facebook friends, none of whom yet–knocks wood–has posted anything quite so sick making as that…)

… and sure, maybe even it’s kinda a luxury I enjoy that I get not to talk about it. But then, I see this as kind of a service, really, I can provide, given this luxury…

Ye, I can thus be a That Thing-free zone, for anyone who needs one. It’s a sort of guarantee, even. Talk to me, and I’m really very unlikely to say much about it, at least. If you bring it up, indeed, I’m likely even gently to change the subject.

And I try therefore also to do things that have nothing to do with That Thing…

… like this thing, for example (MP3), done on a sequencer for cello, piano, and bass… with a faint notion that if it gets to someplace that I like it enough I may actually redo it properly, with real instruments…

(May have to recruit a pianist, mind… keyboards really aren’t my thing, thing is.)

… also, I’m totally down with talking about food. Like those cookies I’m gonna have to whip out for tomorrow as my daughter volunteered them to her class partt. Great recipe. Standard chocolate chip thing, but w/ ground espresso, and one of my standards. Dunno if I’ve ever dumped it here previously.

Wet mix:

1/2 c butter
1 c light brown sugar
2 tbsp vanilla
3 tbsp white sugar
1 egg

Dry mix:

1-3/4 c pastry flour
1/2 tsp baking soda
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp salt
~ 2 tbsp fine ground espresso or any nice, dark coffee

… and then a huge pile of semisweet chocolate chips, to taste.

375 F, or 365 F in convection if you have it. 6-8 min or until gently browned.

Method is the usual cookie thing. Cream the butter. It’s easiest just to leave it out a bit, first, obviously. Then pound the sugars into this. Add the egg and the vanilla, mix again. This is your wet mix…

Mix the dry ingredients, add to wet mix until consistent. Stir in chocolate chips.

I’m told they’re mildly addictive, and likely to get you invited back anywhere you bring them. Whether this has anything to do with the coffee, I’ll never tell.

… and I’m serious about the pastry flour. If you’re stuck with general purpose, go a little lighter on it; might also work out.

I also prefer real vanilla for this one. You’ve probably heard the real rule about artificial for baking, but these things, it just seems to work better. I think it’s something about the coffee being in there.

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##### Alexandra (née Audley)

Good afternoon, everyone! How you all doing?

Just wanted to pop by to wish everyone a happy Festivus and merry Squidmas, in case I don’t get a chance to in the next week. I miss this place, but somebody is incredibly demanding of my time!

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Gregory:

It’s an awesome song regardless of whether or not the lyrics are slammed together randomly or pieced together as a poem.

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@AJ Milne:

DSO is, frankly, one of the most awesome bands I’ve heard in a long time.

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##### rorschach

Skyfall is ok, kind of good old Bond stuff….Still an hour to go…

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##### chigau (違う)

lusus naturae not ‘game of nature’, ‘sport of nature’.
Where ‘sport’ means ‘freak’.

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##### joed

Worldwide the military kills women and children and all sorts of defenseless folks often. The shooters get rewards for the killing. These soldiers are at the peak of physical health. These killings are ordinary and usual and happen daily.
Healthy humans are capable of the most heartbreaking, immoral acts.
Psychologically speaking, why do non-military shooters go after the most defenseless of people.
What really gets me to thinking is the question as to why these sort of tragedies are directed at the most defenseless of people?!
Why don’t these shooters attack a police station or military base? Seems they don’t have an escape plan or end up killing self as planned any way?
I am in no way suggesting that police and military bases should be attacked. I don’t want any human to be a victim of violence.
Is there some psychological advantage(whatever that is) to going after children?

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##### Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

‘sport of nature’. Sometimes used to describe what we now know as fossils.

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joed:

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@joed:

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##### chigau (違う)

joed #23
Don’t post that stuff on this thread.

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##### Dalillama, Schmott Guy

…And her first morning experiencing said spare time involves FIrst Snow and her beloved husky.

Glad your First Snow experience is a good one. We’re getting it here just in time for my bicycle commute to work.

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##### Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

Mythbri:
Another thing…how happy can those kids possibly be without their loved ones? If heaven were real then all those childten are up there without their parents, siblings, or relatives.

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##### Pteryxx

Now joed is just spamming… is that three threads so far?

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##### Rey Fox

Okay, that is actually cute.

Whaddya mean, actually cute? All the other little woobies in previous Lounge episodes are chopped liver?

Lynna: Do you have any stories specifically about Walmart in India? My pen pal from Delhi seems to be happily anticipating their arrival. And she’s an environmental economics student.

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##### Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

Oggie, I didn’t mean to imply they were identical, just that there are similarities. Although pangolin with an ankly tail would be cool.

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##### Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

Now joed is just spamming… is that three threads so far?

That we know of. That is just on Pharyngula.

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##### Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

Whaddya mean, actually cute? All the other little woobies in previous Lounge episodes are chopped liver?

No. Just a personal observation. Sorry.

Although pangolin with an ankly tail would be cool.

Are you kidding? That’d hurt like hell!

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##### Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

I can haz pic of husky????

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Weed Monkey:

Ah, so it’ll be a little cold and overcast.

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Sent, fyi.

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Pteryxx
me, too

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##### jnorris

Ms Trophy Wife, can PZ come out and play now?

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

Audley,

*waves*

I miss this place, but somebody is incredibly demanding of my time!

And how is somebody doing?

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##### einniv

I’m not a regular reader so I apologize if this is either not appropriate or well known but American Atheists and SOMA have a way to donate to help the families of Newtown with funeral and counselling costs. Go here if you can help. http://www.weareatheism.com/donate/nonbelievers-giving-aid-support-sandy-hook-elementary/

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##### Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

@ Tony – Of course!

Unfortunately my computer has completely died – using Ms Crip Dyke’s computer. I can snap a pic w/ my ipod anytime, but I’m not sure how to upload it – w/ my bone problems, I tend t use the ipod only for music, not for things that involve typing.

Thus you may have to wait a week for my ridiculously excessive, brand new 15″ macbook pro (yes, I have to pay it before it will turn on) with super modern retina display! and SSD! Not to mention apple’s super-traditional HEMSRP!*

At that point, not only will I have my traditional method of uploading pictures, but I will also have a nigh-endless stream of old pics for you.

But right now, I think you’re right: I need to take a pic of her in the snow!!

*the HE = Hugely Enhanced

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Hey folks, merry early and/or late whatever you celebrate. I’d love to be here more, but my only “chair” right now is the corner of my guitar amp and the aches and pains it is causing me to sit here keeps me off the computer, at least when I’m sober. :)

Yay for Audley’s somebody! Tony, your prezzie is delayed ever so slightly but still on its way! Weird dinosaur-looking baby animals are cool!

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##### cicely

Portia: re the job application—yay! Even if you don’t get it, or choose to take it, at least you won’t have to kick yourself that you didn’t try.
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This is also awesome. For smiles and WTFs.

And here is the follow-up.
:)
(Hat tip: Propnomicon)
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Ogvorbis: your acquaintance is an asshat.

Just thought you should know.
Also, kudos for your ‘translation’ from the Latin @744 (previous [Lounge]. Brilliant!
:)
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##### Alexandra (née Audley)

Beatrice:
The Darkling has been a little fussy today, but now she’s napping. Other than that, she’s great– nursing, pooping and sleeping like a champ. She’s been sleeping for 6 hours at a time at night, yay!

*waves at Joe!*

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##### cag

I’m having problems getting my comments posted( i.e. Digital Cuttlefish), so this is a test on a blog where the WordPress logon works. On some other blogs there is no ability to logon to WordPress and I get a message about

Possible Imposter

Does anyone else have this problem or a solution?

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##### cicely

And here’s a late-breaking closing parenthesis to go with that: )
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##### Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

Yeah. I kinda figgered that one out. I may be slow, but I eventually get somewhere.

Also, kudos for your ‘translation’ from the Latin @744 (previous [Lounge]. Brilliant!

You and Katherine need to get together. She says silly, you say brilliant.

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Hey Audley, how far into AC3 are you? Gone sailing yet?

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

Audley,

Good to hear that the little one is allowing you to sleep.

In case anyone here uses Instagram (or just needs another reason to hate Facebook):

Facebook has infuriated users of the photo-sharing and filtering service Instagram by changing its terms of service to allow it to sell peoples’ uploaded photos or related data.

That means that Instagram photos could be used in advertising, without reference to the owner, with all the payments going to Instagram. There is no opt-out from that use except to stop using the service and to delete your photos.

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##### cicely

That weather forecast linked @3 is wrong, as it inaccurately portrays the Apocalypse as being borne by meteorites, instead of by Horses (as will be the case). And it makes no mention of the peas at all—another important clue.

I smell propaganda by the Pro-Horse Lobby. rq, where were you, when that lying, so-called “weather forecast” was released?
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Audely, happy, festive squid to you, too.
:)
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##### cicely

Cripes! I tried to take it back, but my finger had already pressed “Submit Comment”.

Audley, apologies for ‘nym manglage. Hail Tpyos!
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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

cicely,

And it makes no mention of the peas at all—another important clue.

You have mistaken flaming peas for meteorites. And the Judgement shall rain on the pea haters!

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##### Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

Sounds much more impressive in ‘Latin’:

Et Iudicium Pluet super pisum osores!

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##### PZ Myers

JOED: If you can’t recognize the offensiveness of your question, your first response should be to KEEP IT OUT OF THE LOUNGE. NOW. Go toddle off somewhere else.

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##### Alexandra (née Audley)

Joe:
I’ve just about finished sequence 11 and I loooooooooooathe the naval missions*, so I’ve done what has been demanded and skipped the rest. I might go back to them eventually.

AC3 has been great ‘cos I can easily just put in an hour at a time, even if it’s just collecting feathers ot wailing on red coats or whatever. Currently, I’m top 10% in the world for riots started, so there’s that, too. :)

On a completely different note, DarkBaby now fits in the Thing 1 & Thing 2 pjs you bought her– they’re in the wash now and she’ll be wearing them tomorrow!

*Still better than the tower defense bullshit in Revelations.

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##### rq

cicely
I was in a hell of my own (shopping again). I had nothing to do with that. I’d rather the horsies come and take over the world and I could play with them and run with them and fly with them all day long…

Tony
re: the painting @5 posted by mythbri
I’ve had that put up by friends on my facebook, as well as other posts, and I replied to one of them (posted about it yesterday here in Lounge). This painting, where the kids are all happy because they’re in heaven and Jesus tells them he’ll take care of their parents (what, send another tragedy to bring them up to heaven????), nearly made me puke. The same friend who shared that shared this other text with a letter to the dead children about how their lives had a purpose because due to their deaths, millions of children around the world felt a little bit more love from their parents. Also, puke. PUKEPUKEPUKE. ([aside] Funny, in Latvian puķe is flower, giving a whole new meaning to the phrase ‘This smells like puke’.)
Anyway. I wrote the friend about the letter bit, saying it is horrible and I can’t support that idea at all because the tragedy should be about them, and her reply was all about how something light and good should be taken from every tragedy, and if this is the good that everyone is getting, then it should be supported, but it’s not disrespectful blablabla… I called her on the bullshit, because What about the parents of those children? Are they supposed to feel better now? but it all ended with Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, thank you for sharing.

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With that it is my turn to say a bit thank you to the Pharyngula online commune, because without you (seriously, all of you, even you, who don’t feel addressed), I would not be even writing about one post. I would be sitting silently and thinking BULLSHIT to myself and doing nothing. I have gotten a lot of courage from you. This is I think the third time in the past two weeks I have had the courage to speak to an issue that disturbed me. And it’s all because of you and one quiet weekend that allowed me 3 hours alone and some time to think. THANK YOU more than I can say. I’m even considering coming out publicly as atheist, and I really wanted to share a post of Ophelia Benson’s on my Facebook last week, but I’m still too scared for that. I think I’ll wait until my dad passes away. But sitll, the fact tha I’m even considering that – well, thank you thank you thank you all, for your kindness, and strength, and ability to argue, and to fight and willingness to stand up for what is right, and to admit to weakness but not see weakness in it, to admit to being tired and human and flawed, and you’re all so beautiful to me, and all you are, are a bunch of words on my screen… But I’m more grateful than you could ever know. /end to personal sappy confession

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##### rq

Audley
Glad to hear DarkBaby is doing so well and sleeping so soundly! /jealous

Ogvorbis
Seconding cicely on the asshat-ness of the acquaintance.

Crip Dyke
Sounds like wonderful morning.

Portia
I commend you for your courage, even if SO did press the button. Still brave. :)

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##### cicely

Beatrice,

Mutant peas, if peas at all; ’cause those clearly are no ordinary peas.

Oh.

Wait.

I see…<mumbling>…misinformation, disinformation, distraction…</mumbling>

You’re in on it with rq, seeking to divert the public’s attention away from the imminent arrival of the Horses.

But I’m on to you, now!!! Your lies shall not prevail!!!!!

*Hoverchairing through the town, shouting “The Horses are coming! The Horses are coming!”*
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##### dianne

Don’t be silly fossil. The end only comes when it’s 21 December in Central America.