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The Amazing Atheist reveals his lack of humanity again

I’m sure you’ve all heard the tragic story of Amanda Todd, the teenage girl who killed herself after prolonged bullying. Normal human beings will read about her and be near tears; she was broken by callous sexual predators, her life made miserable, and she finally gave up on it.

The Amazing Atheist is not a normal human being.

Instead, The Amazing Atheist raged at the fact that this young woman was getting attention when other people have died, too. She was a well-off Western girl with plenty of privileges, so how dare we consider her story particularly tragic? There are so many other people who are worse off than she was!

Well, you know, we have a couple of choices in our lives.

We could, for instance, search the world for that one person who is in the worst circumstances of anyone; the person who is suffering the very most right now. We can do this while turning up our nose at each other afflicted individual who isn’t hurting enough for our standards; why, you’re a quadriplegic dying in a ditch? But you don’t have shingles! And both your eyes are intact! I’m sure we can find someone worse off than you. And then when we find that ultimate person in pain, we can promise to do everything we can to help them.

But I’ve noticed that people who make that kind of argument aren’t actually offering to help anyone. Their perversely inverted, demanding standards are really an excuse to turn away from the miserable they consider undeserving, to justify refusing to help…because that ultimate sufferer will never be found.

But you do have a choice. The other thing you could do is recognize deep pain in others and do what you can to help them. If one person had sincerely and honestly turned to Todd when she was being abused, and offered to help, maybe she’d still be here, and the world would be a slightly better place.

She wasn’t asking for much.

The Amazing Atheist begrudges her that much.

I don’t see any difference between him and the bullies who beat her up and mocked her on facebook and poured scorn on her in school.

And some people wonder why there is a growing rift in the atheist movement. All you have to do is look at people like the Amazing Atheist to see that some atheists, people who are convinced that there is nothing beyond ourselves, that we are dependent entirely on our fellow human beings and nothing more, lack that humanity that is our only source of unity and our only true reason for living.

Don’t be surprised that some of us want nothing to do with such sociopaths.

Comments

  1. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    what harm do I done when I doubt some random girl on the internet?

    Gee, it has already downgraded the woman to a girl. Misogynist, liar, and bullshitter all the way down….

  2. says

    Ogvorbis:

    “Why is it so important to you to believe that women routinely lie about rapes? Are you protecting your conscience?”

    I think I might be arguing with radical feminist. Why the hell must I protect my conscience online? If anybody came up to me and say she was rape just now and need help I would call the cops. Same for anything else(but you would probably call me a liar because I doubt a girl online). Why I doubt this specific girl is because of her nickname. Let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say a guy with a name call “IcumwhenIkillwomen” was , would you have the same reaction you all have right now?

  3. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    hy I doubt this specific girl is because of her nickname.

    The name of this WOMAN is irrelevant, and you know that. The use of GIRL to describe here says all we need to know about your derision of her claim. You have degraded a WOMAN to a GIRL. You tacitly admit misogyny. Why can’t you admit the obvious to all but you.

  4. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Oh, and CL, if you keep using the term “girl”, I will call you a “boy”. Fair is fair…

  5. says

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:

    “The name of this WOMAN is irrelevant”
    Hmm? I think the name will be very relevant to you if the name is “IcumwhenIkillwomen”.

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:

    “The use of GIRL to describe here says all we need to know about your derision of her claim.”

    First of all. I refer her as a girl because a mature woman will not use a name like this. Second is because some of her remarks such as “I will rape you with my fist”, shows that she is not yet a woman.

  6. says

    That rape victim The Amazing Asshole threatened to rape was actually a dude. Just so the rest of us don’t misgender him, the asshole making his asshatitude clear to the world obviously doesn’t give two fucks about rape victims.

    But hey, asshole misogynist, now you gotta believe him. “Bitchez ain’t Shit” doesn’t work on dudes*.

    *She said. Yeah right, there’s always a new excuse for this shit.

  7. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    First of all. I refer her as a girl because a mature woman will not use a name like this. Second is because some of her remarks such as “I will rape you with my fist”, shows that she is not yet a woman.

    I see the BOY isn’t getting it. Your OPINION is irrelevant to the facts. That is a woman. How she describes herself is irrelevant to your misogyny, which you show by not acknowledging her status as an adult, and her word as true as anything you say. Until you do that, you are a BOY.

  8. says

    “Hmm? I think the name will be very relevant to you if the name is “IcumwhenIkillwomen”.”

    Man, asshole misogynists really just fucking need to have every woman worship them, don’t they? ‘Complicated’ issues, IcumwhenIkillMen changed her screen name because it was triggering dudes.

    And no, that screen name in a world where dudes do not generally have to fear violent action by women is nothing at all like rape threats from 300 people, when the number of dudes who will admit to raping people is a shitload higher than ’1 in 300′.

    First of all. I refer her as a girl because a mature woman will not use a name like this.

    Mature, adult men should believe rape victims, so you’re still a boy.

  9. says

    Wait a second. Did you just say that user is a dude and use the word she in your next post? And how did you know that the user is a woman or boy or girl or anyone? You can’t see the user and the user can’t see you(unless you use webcam). All adult men must believe in rape victims or else they are still a boy… So the logic can even be applied if a woman ask for money because she say she was rape. THE MAN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN DOUBT OR HE IS A BOY. Yes I agree.

  10. chigau (棒や石) says

    christtestter
    Stop trying to use HTML.
    It makes you look even stupider than the content of your comments.

  11. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    christtester:

    I doubt her or not believe her according to some of you because of the name, and what harm do I done when I doubt some random girl on the internet?

    If you’d answer my questions I asked in the last thread @493, you’d have a better understanding of where everyone is coming from.

    If you’re doubting when a woman tells you she’s been raped (or when you hear a story of a woman who was raped)–GIVEN THAT WOMEN ACROSS THE PLANET ARE RAPED IN STAGGERINGLY HIGH NUMBERS EVERY GODDAMNED DAY–do you also doubt when a friend tells you they went shopping?

    Do you doubt it when a family member says they’re sick?

    Do you doubt it when a coworker says they just got back from lunch?

    Do you doubt it when you go out to eat and are told the restaurant is out of a menu item?

    Do you apply this stupid fucking hyperskepticism to EVERY claim that comes your way? If you do, you’re an idiot-only extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We’re talking about rape here. This dehumanizing shit happens every fucking day. It’s not a surprise. I wish that were not true with every fiber of my being, but it is true. Women get raped daily. In large numbers. Across the planet.
    And people like you with your special skeptics hat on contribute to rape culture.

    If you *don’t* believe every claim that comes your way, then why are you doubting when a woman says she was raped? Why would this specific example be one where you need more evidence? What kind of evidence should be provided so that *you* in your arrogance can be confident that the woman is not lying?

  12. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    christtester:

    Very rational and logical. Yeah.

    Go educate yourself on rape, rape victims, victim blaming, rape culture, sexism, and misogyny. Then when you’ve read enough material, read it again for comprehension. When you’re finished, come back in 10 years. Then maybe someone will want to listen to the stupid that continuously falls from your mouth.

  13. mildlymagnificent says

    I’ve worked it out!

    The elephant in the internet is fear of being wrong – about something a woman says. When one of these boymen finds out that they were mistaken in something they understood from a man, that’s OK. Sorry man, you should make yourself clearer. Maybe even a burst of bad temper with bad language to make the point.

    But, the same problem of possibly being misled by a woman gives rise to eye-watering, mind-blowing horror and paralysing fear. The only way to protect themselves from this overwhelming terror is never to accept any such statements from any woman, anywhere, for any far-fetched reason they can dream up. Far, far better to be wrong 999 times out of a thousand than the 0.1% risk of facing that unnameable fear.

  14. chigau (棒や石) says

    christtestter
    Explain why using the internet name “IcumwhenIkillMen” means that she was NOT raped.
    (if you reply to this, don’t attempt any HTML)

  15. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    chigau:
    his pathetic attempts at blockquoting provides the only amusement we’re going to get from this guy.

  16. says

    Wait a second. Did you just say that user is a dude and use the word she in your next post?

    IcumwhenIkillmen is a gal, and also changed her screen name, so you can stop having your hissyfit about that pseudonym. The dude who The Amazing Asshole threatened to rape is a dude. This isn’t complex.

    So the logic can even be applied if a woman ask for money because she say she was rape.

    Seeing as that didn’t happen, no.

    THE MAN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN DOUBT OR HE IS A BOY.

    Look, I already said you’re not obligated to stop being an asshole, and that the correct gender of The Asshole Atheist’s victim was only going to matter to ethical people, so I don’t know what this hissyfit is about.

  17. chigau (棒や石) says

    Tony #16
    Yeah, there is that.
    But I really want to know why using the internet name “IcumwhenIkillMen” means that she was NOT raped.

  18. John Morales says

    [meta]

    It amuses me that christtestter totally misapplies comment nesting. Still, such a tricky concept, that! ;)

    (The comment @505 is redeemed by the self-applied gumby-speak, though)

  19. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    I think I might be arguing with radical feminist.

    Thank you for the compliment — remember that a radical feminist is someone who thinks that women are full human beings deserving of all the rights and privileges accorded men. Though I think of myself as a radical humanist.

    Why the hell must I protect my conscience online?

    Good question. You’ve been doing it for, what, three or four days now? Why are you doing this?

    If anybody came up to me and say she was rape just now and need help I would call the cops.

    Bully for you.

    Same for anything else(but you would probably call me a liar because I doubt a girl online).

    No. You doubt a woman’s claim of rape online.

    Why I doubt this specific girl is because of her nickname. Let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say a guy with a name call “IcumwhenIkillwomen” was , would you have the same reaction you all have right now?

    Look at my pseudonym. Not the ‘Ogvorbis’ part (that is a little inside joke) but the stuff that follows. Broken and cynical. I am broken. I am broken thanks to repeated rapes by my cub scout leader back when I was nine and ten years old. I still have panic attacks, flashbacks, and nightmares, especially when a group of scouts visits my park. I am broken thanks to the time I spent working in New York City after the terrorist attacks in 2001. I still have panic attacks and nightmares. One’s online pseudonym can often be used to offer insight into one’s perspective.

    You claim to think this woman a liar because she used the pseudonym “IcumwhenIkillmen.” I look at a pseudonym like that and immediately wonder what tortures was she subjected to? How scared was she? How badly injured? What must she have gone through to create that much fear and rage? I see a pseudonym like that and I see someone else who has been broken by patriarchy. Broken by the rape culture endemic in western society. Broken by rape enablers who spend days on a blog comment thread accusing women of lying when they claim they have been raped.

    I have no idea if you are a rapist or not. No way for me to tell except by reading your writings on this blog comment thread. I see someone who is willing to invest a great deal of time and effort into convincing people that this one woman lied about being a rape victim. And for the hundreds, even thousands, of lurkers out there, those who read these threads but do not comment, some of them, without doubt, are rapists who are, right now, nodding their heads in agreement with you when you cast doubt on the veracity of this rape.

    And if I saw someone with the pseudonym “IcumwhenIkillwomen”? I would look at that pseudonym and wonder what happened to make that individual into who they are. What broke that person.

    There are many, many, many broken people in the world. The internet, and especially the pseudonymity of the internet, has given many of us the first opportunity to actually tell others what happened. My wife does not know. My kids, my parents, none of them know what happened to me in cub scouts. But I feel safe, here, now, telling about what happened and, sometimes, using it as a way to teach others about the toxicity of endemic patriarchy and rape culture.

    And I read your diatribes insisting that we have no reason to believe this particular victim and all that keeps running through my head is a question. the same question you have evaded three times on this thread in different forms. That question is: Are you broken or are you a breaker?

    First of all. I refer her as a girl because a mature woman will not use a name like this. Second is because some of her remarks such as “I will rape you with my fist”, shows that she is not yet a woman.

    Again, did you ever stop to wonder why she reacts with such visceral rage, fear and passion? I’ve been somewhere similar and it scares the shit out of me thinking about it.

  20. says

    Ogvorbis: broken and cynical: “You claim to think this woman a liar because she used the pseudonym “IcumwhenIkillmen.” I look at a pseudonym like that and immediately wonder what tortures was she subjected to? How scared was she? How badly injured? What must she have gone through to create that much fear and rage?”

    IN NO POINT DID I CALL HER A LIAR. I doubt her because it’s the internet. No one knows anyone’s true identity. And she also threaten TAA with rape as well. But why did it get the attention from PZ Myers? TAA just some random guy on the internet.

  21. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    IN NO POINT DID I CALL HER A LIAR.

    You wrote, repeatedly, that you doubt her. Doubt means that you question the veracity of her account. Doubt means just that — you doubt her story is true, and you claim you doubt it because of her old and abandoned ‘nym. You are a liar.

    I doubt her because it’s the internet. No one knows anyone’s true identity.

    And yet you accepted my fictitious claim that I was beaten up in a bar and robbed at home. I wrote that on the internet. You don’t know my true identity. So, once again, you are a liar.

    And she also threaten TAA with rape as well.

    Been dealt with effectively by others. I never mentioned that. But nice example of an ad hominem fallacy — you think she did something bad so you doubt everything else she has written.

    But why did it get the attention from PZ Myers? TAA just some random guy on the internet.

    The Amazing Atheist is a fairly well-known contributor on the internet in atheist circles. Isn’t that enough?

    And you still have not answered the meat of my argument. You are just making the same unsubstantiated claim, a claim that has been quite effectively shot down, multiple times. This is not religion — making the same nonsense claim long enough does not make it true.

    So why is it so important to you that others take your point of view that this woman lied about being raped? I know why it is important to me to shoot down that claim (read my #22 on this page), but why is it so important to you to make that claim? Do you want people to think that women are all lying about rape? Sorry, that any claim of rape should be doubted?

  22. sc_10ec3d4e56335fab8187a931b581361f says

    Love the attitude here! Doubt a girl online and you are a evil fuck!

  23. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Love the attitude here! Doubt a girl online and you are a evil fuck!

    No, being a rapist/rape apologist who doubts any word of sexual assault from women makes you an evil fuck.

  24. John Morales says

    [meta]

    sc_hexdump, the stated bases for the doubt were foolish, specious and contradictory.

    (You really don’t grok the attitude here, do ya?)

  25. says

    Ogvorbis: broken and cynical: “You wrote, repeatedly, that you doubt her. Doubt means that you question the veracity of her account. Doubt means just that — you doubt her story is true, and you claim you doubt it because of her old and abandoned ‘nym. You are a liar.”

    And? That’s my reason for doubting, how am I lying? How am I a liar for doing so? If you think doubting because of her name is stupid. Fine by me. Or do you think I am really a misogynist and this my reason to doubt her? If that’s so I could actually just say I do not believe this bitch and I don’t think she was rape. Instead of employing the word “doubt”.

    “The Amazing Atheist is a fairly well-known contributor on the internet in atheist circles. Isn’t that enough?”

    The Amazing atheist is also a well know asshole on the internet. We do not need anyone to point it out.

    “And yet you accepted my fictitious claim that I was beaten up in a bar and robbed at home. I wrote that on the internet. You don’t know my true identity. So, once again, you are a liar.”

    Didn’t you see the word IF?

    “And you still have not answered the meat of my argument. You are just making the same unsubstantiated claim, a claim that has been quite effectively shot down, multiple times. This is not religion — making the same nonsense claim long enough does not make it true.
    So why is it so important to you that others take your point of view that this woman lied about being raped? I know why it is important to me to shoot down that claim (read my #22 on this page), but why is it so important to you to make that claim? Do you want people to think that women are all lying about rape? Sorry, that any claim of rape should be doubted?”

    I explain why I doubted her but you call it a nonsense claim. No matter, it is still a claim.

  26. Tony ∞ºQueer Duck Hivemind Minionº∞ says

    christtester:

    The Amazing atheist is also a well know asshole on the internet. We do not need anyone to point it out.

    Yes, we do.
    People like him need to be called out on their behavior. They need to be marginalized. The Amazing Atheist displays an attitude that needs to be shifted into the dark recesses of the Internet. He needs to lose his power and his appeal. He’s a shitty human being and his punishment for being a shitty human being who revels in his shittiness is to be made a pariah. It no less than he deserves.

    Oh, and you’re a shithead for supporting him.

  27. says

    Tony ∞ºQueer Duck Hivemind Minionº∞: “Yes, we do.People like him need to be called out on their behavior. They need to be marginalized. The Amazing Atheist displays an attitude that needs to be shifted into the dark recesses of the Internet. He needs to lose his power and his appeal. He’s a shitty human being and his punishment for being a shitty human being who revels in his shittiness is to be made a pariah. It no less than he deserves.

    Oh, and you’re a shithead for supporting him.”

    And anything else? I am sure hating him will make the world a better place.

  28. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    And anything else? I am sure hating him will make the world a better place.

    You keep acting like we care what a misogynist shithead like you thinks (or rather don’t thinks, as you have a proven record of not thinking). Your OPINION is treated like that of Heinlein’s “well meaning fool”. Whatever you think is wrong, and the opposite is closer to being right. So, why can’t you just shut the fuck up like an abject loser should? Oh, that’s right, it requires intelligence to shut the fuck up….

    And you still have not answered the meat of my argument.

    You have no argument. You are hate and unsubstantiated OPINION, which is *POOF*, dismissed for fuckwittery. Try again with real evidence, leaving your OPINION out of the argument if you have no evidence…

  29. says

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:”You keep acting like we care what a misogynist shithead like you thinks (or rather don’t thinks, as you have a proven record of not thinking). Your OPINION is treated like that of Heinlein’s “well meaning fool”. Whatever you think is wrong, and the opposite is closer to being right. So, why can’t you just shut the fuck up like an abject loser should? Oh, that’s right, it requires intelligence to shut the fuck up…”

    Your insult is entertaining. Now will you kindly answer me a question? Why must I NOT doubt this woman?

    ” You have no argument. You are hate and unsubstantiated OPINION, which is *POOF*, dismissed for fuckwittery. Try again with real evidence, leaving your OPINION out of the argument if you have no evidence…”

    I gotta tell you something. That wasn’t my comment.

  30. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Why must I NOT doubt this woman?

    Because you want your word to be taken seriously. The only way for that to happen is if you take the words of others at face value. I’m treating you like you are treating her. Do you like it? If not, shut the fuck up like an abject loser should do. Otherwise, your word will be questioned for veracity.

  31. says

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls: “Because you want your word to be taken seriously. The only way for that to happen is if you take the words of others at face value. I’m treating you like you are treating her. Do you like it? If not, shut the fuck up like an abject loser should do. Otherwise, your word will be questioned for veracity.”

    You are treating me like how I treat her? Are you sure? I don’t think I did the name-calling with her or call her a liar or said all of her words are consider as fuckwittery. Or do you think by doubting her means all that? If a salesman told me how this product will work, I doubt him, does that means I am implying he is lying?

  32. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    You are treating me like how I treat her? Are you sure?

    Yep, your word is doubted and treated like the shit it is. Why are you still trying to pretend we are even willing to listen to your idiocy? Your reasons for doubting her word are bogus. Our reasons for doubting your word is your proven lying, bullshitting, and denial of someones words for bogus reasons.

    Again, why are you still posting? You aren’t selling your fuckwittery. Do everyone a favor and fade into the bandwidth like anabject lose should do.

  33. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Oh, and CL, you came here to sell us on your idea. No sale. You can believe whatever drivel you desire. You aren’t getting anyone here to agree with you because you offer nothing but drivel. So, why are you still trying?

  34. says

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls: “…..Why are you still trying to pretend we are even willing to listen to your idiocy?”

    Maybe it’s because you reply to me? Is it ?

    “Our reasons for doubting your word is your proven lying, bullshitting, and denial of someones words for bogus reasons.”

    Did you just doubt me and say my words are proven as lying? I am sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? If you think I am bullshiting and lying, is there a need for you to doubt me?

    “Oh, and CL, you came here to sell us on your idea. No sale. You can believe whatever drivel you desire. You aren’t getting anyone here to agree with you because you offer nothing but drivel. So, why are you still trying?”

    Are you talking about the analogy from my last comment? I will explain, I am stating that because you say that when I doubt someone it also imply that I think he/she is lying. To prove you incorrect, I use that analogy, but I don’t think you get it.

  35. chigau (無) says

    christtestter
    Stop trying to use HTML.
    It makes you look even stupider than the content of your comments.

  36. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Maybe it’s because you reply to me? Is it ?

    I’m not replying to you. I’m telling the lurkers what an idjit you are. As you prove with your continued posts.

    If you think I am bullshiting and lying, is there a need for you to doubt me?

    What do you think my saying you lie and bullshit really means? It means I presume your word is bullshit. I doubt your word. Why are you being so dumb? When you doubt peoples word, you are saying they are lying.

    Are you talking about the analogy from my last comment?

    No fuckwitted idjit. You came here with claim to sell, the claim that because of your OPINION about a nym, we should the doubt the word someone making a claim of rape. You were unable to sell your point due to your lack of evidence and idiocy of your claim. You can’t sell your inane point without evidence that a rape didn’t take place. Your OPINION of your “evidence” is worthless to us. What part of that don’t you understand? Oh right, the part where you need to shut the fuck up and fade into the bandwidth.

  37. Amphiox says

    Is christtester STILL stinking up this ancient thread pathetically attempting to defend the indefensible?

    Does christtester have a life? Or morals? Ethics? Decency?

  38. says

    Hey, misogynist fool, just an fyi, you aren’t even being treated like the dude TAA threatened. See, you’re being treated as shit for behaving like a little shithead, and he was threatened with rape, and disbelieved, for asking TAA not to make rape threats.

  39. says

    Rutee Katreya: See, you’re being treated as shit for behaving like a little shithead,

    Do you talk to faeces every day? That seem to be a interesting hobby.

    Amphiox: Is christtester STILL stinking up this ancient thread pathetically attempting to defend the indefensible?

    Does christtester have a life? Or morals? Ethics? Decency?

    Yeah appear I still am , I do have a life. It’s just funny to see how people can rage over such trivial thing, so I continue to talk. But it is strange how you don’t want to see my comment yet you come back to see it.

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls: When you doubt peoples word, you are saying they are lying.

    You didn’t get my analogy. Well, too bad.

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:Oh right, the part where you need to shut the fuck up and fade into the bandwidth

    Freedom of speech is a great thing is it not?

    chigau (無):christtestter
    Stop trying to use HTML.
    It makes you look even stupider than the content of your comments.

    I use it just in case that Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls read it wrong @comment 34. By any chance did PZ Myers wrote anything about Todd Akin’s legitimate rape?

  40. Tony ∞The Trolling Queer Duck∞ says

    Someone please tell the misogynist shartface how to blockQUOTE correctly…

  41. ugglybabee says

    TAA sums up his position on the Amanda Todd suicide:

    “Amanda Todd shouldn’t be sainted and raised up as an example of something admirable. That’s it. Anything you have inferred beyond that is the product of your fevered imagination looking for something to be offended by.

    Saying someone isn’t worthy of the secular equivalent of sainthood is not even in the same ballpark as saying that they deserved to die.”

    It’s true. He never said she deserved to die.

    Also, as far as I know, virtually no one has said that he said that.

    Also, as far as I know, very few people have said that Amanda Todd is an example of somthing admirable.

    This is classic TAA, lambasting his critics and targets for statements they never made. Can we stop lamenting this hucksters’s lack of empathy long enough to notice how staggeringly illogical and fake these diatribes are? His Amanda Todd video approached parody with its preachy nonsense. The loaded strawman questions, the willful ignorance, the utter lack of shame. You’re all decadent hypocrites for caring about one girl when thousands are starving, said the guy who had just made a video about Honey Boo Boo. He sounded like he meant it.

    We’ve all seen this guy before. This is Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and for that matter, Pat Robertson. The content is different, but the important thing is to let hateful people find a voice. Read the mean teenage boys who commented (they certainly write like teenage boys) talking about how Amanda Todd was a slut who “knew what she was doing”.

    http://youtu.be/WR7LFt6DjYo

    http://youtu.be/nd40byL7dlM

  42. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Freedom of speech is a great thing is it not?

    Freedom from thought and a skill set isn’t. You are free of both.

    Questions you should be asking yourself [and where you stand]:
    1) Why did I come here [to sell a claim that a woman who reported being raped should be doubted]
    2) How well am I doing in selling that claim [utter and total failure, and my word is doubted due to my inability to shut the fuck up]
    3) If you aren’t succeeding, why are you still here [I'm too dumb a fuckwit to shut the fuck up and fade into the bandwidth, so I try pretend I have something to say. And prove I don't, demonstrating my word should be doubted.]

    So, why haven’t you logically faded into the bandwidth?

  43. ugglybabee says

    There are a few points I’d like to make about Amanda. Regarding TAA’s raising “valid points, however crudely” about how society values young white people over others? Well, open your eyes, geniuses; Amanda Todd was biracial. In photographs, Amanda’s mother, Carol Todd, appears to be Asian, or perhaps Eskimo. You can clearly see the Asian influence in Amanda’s features.

    Did she have “every advantage”? Well, her father isn’t married to her mother, so she may not have had a stable family structure. The fact that she was manipulated into showing her body to a webcam makes me suspect that she had been molested as a child. Whatever the cause, the fact that she submitted indicates that she was especially vulnerable to everything that happened afterward. I can’t say for sure that she was molested, but I can say for sure that those who say she “had every advantage” are talking out of their ass.

    This is not only a story of bullying. Amanda Todd was trapped by child predators, who handed her off to the society around her. That’s pretty fucking horrible, and a good reason why this story needs attention. The predators who trapped her were seeking out the kids who were desperate for approval, and that would naturally include the kids who had been abused and neglected. The fact that kids on youtube are most definitely blaming Amanda is a reason why we need to keep a focus on this kind of child abuse. I think it’s definitely a feminist issue, so natually our pal TJ doesn’t like it. It’s not just that he’s morally outraged that those other kids aren’t getting their fair share of “likes” on Facebook.

    I believe that Amanda Todd herself deserves much of the credit for becoming, as TJ so dismissively calls her, “a social media darling”. The girl made a remarkable video, though it’s not exactly easy to watch. It’s more than haunting and lovely, it’s remarkably articulate. In simple handwritten sentences, Amanda tells her whole horrific story without flinching. If you can handle it, you can really feel how desperate she was at the moment when that video was taken.

    One of the things that pissed me off most about the TAA’s video was his willful ignorance of why Amanda was getting the attention. I counted three times when he openly declared that he did know why Amanda had become famous. HOW CAN HE DENOUNCE THE PHENOMENON AFTER OPENLY ADMITTING THAT HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT THE PHENOMENON IS? And how could he not know? Is he bereft of intellectual curosity? Does he not know how Google works?

    Or is it that acknowledging that Amanda Todd’s fame is not just random would get in the way of his fake premise, and that’s why it’s ignored?

  44. says

    Redhead? You are still there? Wow. Impressive.

    Do you still not get how it works? You stop replying, I stop talking, maybe your brain is too complex to handle this kind of simple logic?

  45. John Morales says

    christtestter, this is not an open thread.

    It’s about what PZ wrote:

    I’m sure you’ve all heard the tragic story of Amanda Todd, the teenage girl who killed herself after prolonged bullying. Normal human beings will read about her and be near tears; she was broken by callous sexual predators, her life made miserable, and she finally gave up on it.

    The Amazing Atheist is not a normal human being.

    Instead, The Amazing Atheist raged at the fact that this young woman was getting attention when other people have died, too. She was a well-off Western girl with plenty of privileges, so how dare we consider her story particularly tragic? There are so many other people who are worse off than she was!

  46. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Do you still not get how it works? You stop replying, I stop talking, maybe your brain is too complex to handle this kind of simple logic?

    Do you understand simple logic troll. You shut the fuck up, and the thread dies. You first fuckwit.

    Show us you have some intelligence. That requires your shutting the fuck up. But then, you don’t like being told what to do. But you need to be told what to to do. You don’t get the last word being the troll. So, why are you still trolling? Either have an intelligent response, so lacking to date, or just fade away.

  47. says

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls: Do you understand simple logic troll. You shut the fuck up, and the thread dies. You first fuckwit.

    Ego too big to swallow and just shut up? I gave you a solution, you don’t want to use it. Too bad, beside you serve me as an entertainment when I am bored so that’s another reason. If you want to have your last word so badly next time after you
    finish your comment you could click on the magical box down there, after the tick disappear, you can imagine that you have your last comment, hopefully your ego would be satisfied and your swears will disappear…..I hope.

    vaiyt: at this point, christtestter doesn’t sound smarter than a spambot.

    That’s a good one!

    John Morales:this is not an open thread.

    It’s about what PZ wrote

    Well then, let’s not stray from the point next time.

  48. ugglybabee says

    Here’s what I think: the Amazing Athiest doesn’t give a shit about any of the things he claims to give a shit about. He’s not really outraged at the injustice of other kids getting more facebook views. He’s not really mad that Amanda Todd is distracting us from the starving peoples of the world. The evidence for this is that the phoney case he makes, and the care he takes to conceal its phonyness.

    The Amazing Athiest is a misogynist bully, and he sees Amanda Todd as a threat to a world made safe for bullies, especially misogynist bullies.

    And you know what? I think there IS something admirable in that. Amanda Todd didn’t die for nothing.

    Also, society and the law maintain that a 13 year old cannot give informed consent for a sexual performance. She can’t be held responsible. I think that society and the law got this one right, but there are those who disagree.

    For example, the National Man-Boy Love Association, AKA NAMBLA. It seems we have a few potential NAMBLA members posting here?

  49. ugglybabee says

    Does the Amazing Atheist give a shit about Atheism? Of course he does! Thanks to Atheism, he gets to prove his intellectual credentials by using logic against people who believe that the most important virtue a human being can posses is magical thinking. It’s not very hard.

    I’m sure that the Amazing Atheist believes in Atheism, just as Pat Robertson belives in God. Both men are sincere in their belief, which makes them all the more effective as hucksters.

  50. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Look lurkers, troll can’t or won’t stop posting, but has nothing to say (videos are for losers like CL). Why can’t it just go away?

  51. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Er, you are the one who keeps coming back, christtestter, like a dog to vomit.

  52. John Morales says

    christtestter, so, do you at least acknowledge that The Amazing Atheist tried to belittle the tragic story of Amanda Todd?

    (She took her own life in despair; do you disbelieve her story?

    Do you too belittle its significance?)

  53. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    So all of you are back for more? Did anyone call me a troll? Why?

    Look lurkers, the troll admits to trolling. That is when one keeps posting when one has nothing to say. And CL never had anything to say, but kept saying it ad nauseum, like a troll would.

  54. says

    vaiyt: “self-deprecation. How original.”

    Sure. Whatever you say.

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls: “Look lurkers, the troll admits to trolling. That is when one keeps posting when one has nothing to say. And CL never had anything to say, but kept saying it ad nauseum, like a troll would.”

    I do have something to say. First of all, you are calling me a troll and ask me to shut up. That’s like telling a lion not to eat meat. And is it your first time on the internet? Haven’t you heard of “DO NOT FEED THE TROLL” statement. Unless you enjoy feeding the troll but it seem like you don’t yet you continue. Why? Or you are telling your fellow “Lurkers” how stupid I am by amusing myself with your comments?

    Second you claim you are treating me like how I am treating her. Which is incorrect since I don’t swear like a kid from CoD and say everything she say as “fuckwittery”. I doubt her. But you say that doubt implied that I think she is lying and I use a analogy to prove you wrong but you completely ignore it.
    “IcumwhenIkillmen” threaten TAA first with rape then was threaten by TAA. So I would say that’s fair.

    John Morales:” , so, do you at least acknowledge that The Amazing Atheist tried to belittle the tragic story of Amanda Todd?

    (She took her own life in despair; do you disbelieve her story?

    Do you too belittle its significance?)”

    She kill herself because she cannot handle the remarks people throw at her. She is 15 I can understand she is too young to handle this. But why do many consider this as bullying?1/3 her death was due to bullying but the rest was due to her being naïve.

  55. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Haven’t you heard of “DO NOT FEED THE TROLL” statement.

    Around here we feed the trolls like you until they explode. Still not making your case, so you have nothing to say. And prove that by saying something.

    Only a liberturd fuckwit would object to being told what to do by their betters. Which in your case, is everybody not an MRA idjit.

    In case you don’t know common usage, the quotes of other people are blockquoted, and your words aren’t. But then, nobody can tell arrogant asshat what to do. Isn’t that right lurkers?

  56. says

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:”Only a liberturd fuckwit would object to being told what to do by their BETTERS”

    Just a question, What is the size of your ego?

  57. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Just a question, What is the size of your ego?

    Small. But then, I’m not trying to get in the last word. That for trolls like you to try. Why can’t you just fade away? Be honest with yourself. Ego. We both know that.

  58. vaiyt says

    Haven’t you heard of “DO NOT FEED THE TROLL” statement.

    We don’t agree with it. Here, trolls don’t get to prance around unchallenged.

  59. says

    Redhead :Small. But then, I’m not trying to get in the last word.

    Not very small I would say. You just call you and your members of the jerk-off society as better. If you are not trying to get last word, why do you keep replying? I though you want to feed the troll until it explode why do you want to discontinue now by asking me to fade? Just don’t come back to this page again and your memory of me will fade…….

    Vaiyt: We don’t agree with it. Here, trolls don’t get to prance around unchallenged.

    Sure, whatever.

  60. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Ah, ain’t it so cute and predicable lurkers. Arrogant fuckwit can’t shut the fuck up. What an abject loser think I’m responding to it, and it has to get in the last word…

  61. Amphiox says

    But it is strange how you don’t want to see my comment yet you come back to see it.

    Poor, deluded christtester tries desperately to flatter itself. Point of fact, I noticed Nerd and Chigau’s comments pop up of the side bar (both that time and this), and was responding to those, because unlike christtester, they actually say useful and interesting things most of the time.

    But it is notable that after all this time christtester STILL hasn’t figured out to use blockquotes properly.

    Or perhaps it is just deliberately misusing them to make its own posts look superficially different, just to get attention, like a five year old misbehaving.

    Which is just so, so sad.

    Not quite as sad and pathetic as the empty inhumanity that would motivate someone into thinking it appropriate to apportion the blame for a 15 year old girl’s suicide into thirds, of course.

    Sad, pathetic, inhuman christtester, I weep for thee.

    But not too much.

  62. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Perhaps this was missed because the troll does a shitty job of formatting. The troll said this.

    She kill herself because she cannot handle the remarks people throw at her. She is 15 I can understand she is too young to handle this. But why do many consider this as bullying?1/3 her death was due to bullying but the rest was due to her being naïve.

    Yes, the troll is victim blaming.

    Vile pile of toxic sludge.

  63. anteprepro says

    “Vile pile of toxic sludge” may actually be putting too lightly. But I don’t think there are words in the English language acrimonious enough to put it strongly enough. I’m pretty sure the only way to come close violates Godwin’s law.

  64. says

    Janine: Hallucinating Liar: “Yes, the troll is victim blaming.

    Vile pile of toxic sludge.”

    Do you even know the meaning of the word victim? Amanda Todd bought it upon herself because she was naïve and flash her breast on the internet? Well you won. I am quite tired being your jerk-off material to feel your moral superiority. I am done. Have a good day fucksticks.

  65. anteprepro says

    Amanda Todd bought it upon herself because she was naïve and flash her breast on the internet?

    So you refute Janine’s characterization of victim blaming by blaming the victim even harder and even more vilely. You are an embarrassment to humanity.

  66. Amphiox says

    How the fuck does anyone keep getting the basic HTML wrong…when he cheat sheet is right above the damn comment box?

    I continue to propose that the hypothesis of deliberate juvenile attention-seeking behavior, in a “look at me look at me look at me I’m different from everyone else” fashion, ought to be entertained.

  67. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    You know, the shitcicle, if Amanda Todd was not so naive; she would have know that the predator who talked her into flashing her breast would send the image out to all of the people that she went to school with; over and over again.

    So nice to know that I felt touched by what happened to Amanda Todd not because I was teased for years (Thankfully, not as bad as her) but because I want to feel morally superior to the shitcicle.

    I hope you never have children, I would hate to see how you would raise them.

  68. vaiyt says

    inanettroll stops with the contentless keyboard-slapping, and reveals themself as yet another mysoginistic victim-blaming piece of vile refuse. Quelle surprise.

    Amanda Todd bought it upon herself because she was naïve and flash her breast on the internet?

    Her image didn’t spread out by itself. Is that too difficult to understand?

    What is with rape and bullying that makes so many idiots omit the actions and responsibility from bullies and rapists? Sheesh.

    Have a good day fucksticks.

    If someone like you dislikes us, we must be doing something right.

  69. Amphiox says

    Amanda Todd bought it upon herself because she was naïve and flash her breast on the internet?

    So, the inhuman vermin thinks that a 15 year old girl who makes a naive mistake on the internet deserves the bullying she gets for it, and deserves to die.

    I am quite tired being your jerk-off material to feel your moral superiority.

    But when the inhuman vermin DELIBERATELY acts like an evil piece of shit on the internet, and is called out on it, the inhuman vermin runs away like the pathetic moral coward that it is.

    But christtester’s own metric, christtester himself deserves to die at least twice.

  70. says

    vaiyt: Her image didn’t spread out by itself. Is that too difficult to understand?

    Oh my, I didn’t realise Amanda Todd’s breast flash itself and the picture got onto the internet by itself! MY APOLOGY!

  71. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Fuckwitted still trying to get the last word in, and has nothing more to say. What an arrogant, ignorant, arrogant, ignorant, and vile piece of arrogant MRA trash lurkers. And don’t forget ARROGANT.

  72. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Troll still doesn’t understand dear lurkers, that while it can have an OPINION, nobody here has to take it seriously, or even pay attention to it. He can wave it in the breeze all he wants, but it will only be laughed at for abject losership, stupidity, arrogance, and dismissal of over half the human population. It can’t shut up.

  73. ugglybabee says

    Amanda Todd bought it upon herself because she was naïve and flash her breast on the internet?

    (facepalm)

    A 13 year old girl was naive? YA THINK? Dude, what the fuck?

  74. anteprepro says

    Christtester is being an amoral moron on the internet. Is he Asking For It enough so that we can send the Squid Army to pull out his teeth? Or does Asking For It only apply to female sexuality, as judged by the elite misogynistic apologists for the worst kinds of behavior towards women?

  75. says

    Redhead:” nobody here has to take it seriously.”

    Everyone here seems to have a strong responses when I say Amanda Todd is naïve. If you are not taking me seriously you could just shrug my comment off. Why care? Unless as you say you are being entertain, which is funny since all of you sound more upset than entertain.

  76. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    christestter I’m going to ignore your vile ignorant victim blaming and just focus on the fact that you are too fucking stupid to figure out how to properly use blockquoting even after being pointed to the correct way.

    It’s really not that hard.

    idiot

  77. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Everyone here seems to have a strong responses when I say Amanda Todd is naïve.

    Fuckface, that is not the reason why you are getting the disgusted response.

    The reason why is because you blamed Amanda Todd for the treatment she received instead of the person who put so much effort in making her life miserable.

    Now, just drop the subject.

  78. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Everyone here seems to have a strong responses when I say Amanda Todd is naïve.

    Exactly why you don’t have to be taken seriously for such a fuckwitted, victim blaming, and totally sexist statement. Strong response is laughter at your stupidity.

    Why care? Unless as you say you are being entertain, which is funny since all of you sound more upset than entertain.

    SIWOTI. You are wrong on the internet, and need to be told that. In no uncertain terms so you shut the fuck up as an idiot should in the presense of their betters. That you can’t or won’t see that tells us all we need to know about your lack of intelligence. So a clue by fours up the side of the head will continue until you fade away.

  79. says

    Answer me this question, Did the Amanda Todd’s breast flash itself? Did the picture went up the internet just like that?

    If I post a note on facebook say I will be gone for 2 Hours and leave my door unlock and my backpack on the floor of course I will have to take the blame after half of my shits gone.

  80. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    CL, answer me this question. Why is it so important for you, a rape apologist, to blame the victim? Why oh why??? Victim blamin is for people who victimize others.

  81. anteprepro says

    If I post a note on facebook say I will be gone for 2 Hours and leave my door unlock and my backpack on the floor of course I will have to take the blame after half of my shits gone.

    If you say this shit IRL, you are to blame if you get punched in the throat. Asking for it, and all. Should’ve been more cautious and kept your fucking mouth shut, before you carelessly let your inane, hateful arguments at the expense of a dead, bullied young woman spill out in a public environment. Should’ve seen it coming.

  82. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Answer me this question, Did the Amanda Todd’s breast flash itself? Did the picture went up the internet just like that?

    Not that it really matters, the fuckface has shown that he has no empathy for other people. But here is my answer.

    That was not the first time nor the last time that breasts have been flashed. But in this case, she was talked into it by an ethical monster. The monster then took the image and proceeded to send out through social media to the students, over and over and over again. Following her to the schools she transferred to.

    An action, one fleeting action. One that should have been forgotten. One that has happened millions of times. Yet one man took it upon himself to make sure Amanda Todd did not forget, that everyone that she met knew of this.

    And yet you insist on blaming Amanda Todd for this. The blame is the on the monster created the scene and punished her for falling for his act.

    Now blow it out your ass, you putrid waste of meat.

  83. Esteleth مقدس پنیر اور بسکٹ کے ساتھ says

    If I post a note on facebook say I will be gone for 2 Hours and leave my door unlock and my backpack on the floor of course I will have to take the blame after half of my shits [sic] gone. [also sic]

    But that is not the correct analogy. Here is what is:

    If I, a scumbag, trick you into letting me make a copy of your key, then invite you to a party while the person I gave your key to uses that key to steal all your shit, then:
    1. I am a thieving scumbag,
    2. You are naive, and
    3. You are a victim.

    Amanda Todd was tricked (by someone who was probably a seasoned predator) into flashing the camera. This scumbag was ready with software to capture the image, which he then sent on to others.

    She was, indeed, naive and got tricked. She was also a goddamn child. And that scumbag used her and tricked her for his own jollies, not caring about its effects on her.

  84. anteprepro says

    I wonder exactly how much christtester is willing to abide by his principles. I wonder, if we found out his real name and location, if he would mind if we published a few fliers, including some of the statements he has made here with his real name connected to it. I mean, he thinks one should be held accountable for the foolish things one does online. He thinks it is no big deal if something done in private is exposed to a wider audience, for the explicit purpose of shaming someone. He thinks that one should be careful and take precautions against these sort of things, otherwise you are the one who is REALLY at fault. So, given all that, christtester probably wouldn’t mind if his entire community was informed about how he thinks that a 13 year old girl bullied into suicide REALLY brought the bullying upon herself. That people were basically sending out child pornography of her, but that she, the victim, is the one to blame, for not being more cautious, at the very reasonable and well-informed age of 13. I’m sure that if we published such information, it would be christtester’s own fault for saying the stuff in the first place. Or at very least, for not hiding his true identity well enough.

    What do ya say, christtester? Wanna put your money where your mouth is and give us this information willingly? Or are you suddenly unwilling to apply your own standards to yourself?

  85. ugglybabee says

    If the woman is inexperienced, it’s her fault, because she’s NAIVE.

    If the woman is experienced, it’s her fault, because she’s JADED.

  86. ugglybabee says

    I’m 54, and I feel that I was pretty naive about this issue before Amanda Todd told me about it in her own words. I think I might have expected naked pictures to show up in an embarassing place, but it never would have occured to me that someone would use them to manipulate a child with such malevolent calculation.

    And this brings me back to our pal TJ, who is bothered that kids on the internet are talking about this, because… why? He’s concerned about the “bandwagon”. What is this “bandwagon?” It’s a convenient way for him to take everybody who cares about this issue and assign them all with one motive. He defines the bandwagon, tells us what the bandwagon is thinking, offers no evidence for this except some maudlin pictures drawn by junior high girls, and goes on to tell us about the starving people of the world.

    It seems reasonable that, because of Amanda Todd, a whole lot of kids (and parents, and educators) will be more A LOT MORE AWARE of the dangers, but The Amazing Atheist thinks you’re all being way too self-congratulatory.

    I think we have to thank him. If not for his AMAZING dickishness, I would have run out of things to say about Amanda Todd a long time ago.

  87. says

    I like how someone was stalked and harassed and couldn’t escape even from moving or other radical actions and it’s still their fault for being naive.

    I’m not a teenager but fuck me if *I* wouldn’t have guessed this could happen in her place. This is the stuff of horror stories.

    Some guy went through a lot of trouble to stalk her, harass her and black mail her…yet it’s her fault for being naive.

    With this level of defense I would not be surprised if our little turd was a rapist

  88. Amphiox says

    christtester, inhuman defender of child molesters, has failed to stick its flounce, I see.

    Utterly pathetic fapwit, this one.

  89. Amphiox says

    I wonder if craptaster the degenerate also blames the murdered victims of pedophiles for being naive?

    Because that’s essentially what Amanda Todd is – a victim of a sexual predator of children.

  90. ugglybabee says

    Let me say that again, for emphasis:

    THE AMAZING ATHIEST thinks you’re all being way too self-congratulatory.

  91. Esteleth مقدس پنیر اور بسکٹ کے ساتھ says

    For all that Amanda Todd was naive, her naiveté was used by this scumbag. The fault for this lies entirely with the creep who used her.

  92. vaiyt says

    Oh my, I didn’t realise Amanda Todd’s breast flash itself and the picture got onto the internet by itself! MY APOLOGY!

    The bullying and stalking was done by no one, right? It’s like a mindless force of nature, it just happens.

    Keep being stupid.

  93. vaiyt says

    Everyone here seems to have a strong responses when I say Amanda Todd is naïve.

    We’re having strong responses because you’re blaming a victim of stalking and bullying for her own suffering.

    Also, WAS. WAS naïve. She’s DEAD.

    If I post a note on facebook say I will be gone for 2 Hours and leave my door unlock and my backpack on the floor of course I will have to take the blame after half of my shits gone.

    Tell me back when the one time you left the door unlocked means the thief gets to steal shit from you every day. Tell me back when you move away to escape the thief and they follow you to steal your shit again. Tell me back when everyone you meet think you like being stolen and therefore deserve scorn.

    Thanks for showing exactly how fucking stupid you are with a shitty analogy like this one.

  94. ugglybabee says

    We KNOW she was naive. She was a thirteen year old girl.

    What you said was that she brought it on herself by being naive. Only you’re a brainless piece of shit, so you swaid she “BOUGHT it on herself”

    You might as well say that a rape victim brought it on herself by having a vagina.

  95. ugglybabee says

    The thing is, we’re talking about a scumbag who trolled the internet until he FOUND a girl who was vulnerable.

    I don’t know anything about Amanda Todd’s history, but a girl who can be manipulated to expose herself to a webcam is likely to have issues that cause her to need approval. She could easily have been molested or abused before this. And a child who is vulnerable to this kind of predatory manipulation would be especially vulnerable to everything that followed.

  96. says

    Janine: Hallucinating Liar: she was talked into it by an ethical monster

    Then wasn’t she naïve? She think that this guy meant no harm by asking her to flash her breast. It’s either that or low-self esteem.

  97. says

    Vaity: Tell me back when the one time you left the door unlocked means the thief gets to steal shit from you every day.

    Didn’t you get it? Fucking idiot. What I meant is that if someone see my facebook page with my address and my note saying that I left
    my door open… I don’t think you understand, I will make the scenario less complicated. I left my door open, I got robbed. The blame should be also on me for not leaving my door locked, Is it not?

    ugglybabee: We KNOW she was naive. She was a thirteen year old girl.

    She was 15. And some of your friends here do not think she is naïve.

  98. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    Query:
    Did the disgusting troll not admit to being tired of being called a vile shartfaced, fuckwitted, pathetic waste of humanity and declare that he was done here?
    I coulda swore I read that somewhere.
    Yup. Thought so. Back at @84.
    A sticker of the flounce he is not.

  99. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    christtester:
    Everyone knows she was naive. She was 13 for fucks sake. It comes with the territory. Her naivete did not cause the pictures to magically spread around the internet. Her naivete did not cause her to be stalked and bullied.
    How can you dismiss the actions of the asshole who took the pictures? He did not have to post them online. He chose to do that. He did not have to stalk her. He chose to do that. The stalking.
    The harassment.
    The bullying.
    The beating.
    All of that was done TO her by an asshole scumbag.
    The responsibility is on him.
    How is your moral compass so twisted you cannot see this?
    Are you Catholic?

  100. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Then wasn’t she naïve?

    Which has nothing to do with your fuckwitted conclusion she brought this upon herself. That would require knowledge, not ignorance. You are ignorant/ignore such a significant fact. Makes you a predator, expecting prey to act in a certain way. Why can’t you acknowledge your over the top aggression, like posting here for weeks…Your rapist is showing….

  101. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    CL, you never did answer why you must blame the victim. Without a response, I can only conclude you are a victimizer, bully, aggressor, and savage would be rapist if you think you can get away with it. Show otherwise with a cogent statement on why the victim is to be blamed for bullies and other low-lives attacking them despite of repeated attempts to stop said action, including moving and changing schools.

  102. says

    Redhead: you never did answer why you must blame the victim.

    According to all of you, you do not think Amanda Todd was naïve if she wasn’t then she bought it upon herself.She was naïve so it wasn’t all her fault. It was because of the sex predators and she being naïve thinking they won’t spread the picture all over the internet. Why is it call bullying in the headlines? Why does it brought the most attention to everyone as bullying many committed suicide because of bullying but the Amanda Todd bought the most? Why???

  103. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Why is it call bullying in the headlines?

    Because that was what happened to her, as any sane person, not a bully, and not rapist/rape apologist like yourself would tell you. A rapist would say its all her fault for what ever reason. She was stalked and bullied, period, end of story. Here is the only legitimate reasons for that to happen, as any non-rapist/rape apologist/non-bully would tell you:
    .
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    *crickets chirring*
    Prove otherwise with third party evidence (your word is bullshit), or shut the fuck up.

  104. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    christtester:
    Do you have liquid stupidity coursing through your veins?
    Everyone already agrees Amanda was naive.
    Being naive does not magically make someone responsible for the actions of others.
    You clearly do not know how responsibility works. Amanda did not spread pictures of herself online (nor did she consent to having said pictures spread online, btw). Amanda did not stalk herself, however that would work. She did not bully herself, however that would work.
    Someone did all that. That person is responsible. How can you be such an immoral monster to blame someone for actions SOMEONE ELSE DID??!!

  105. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    Nerd knows how to read dumbfuck.
    Why don’t you learn to
    A: stick the flounce
    B: blockquote properly–> hint, you blockquote the person you’re quoting. Not yourself

  106. says

    Apparently I am victim blaming by saying she is naive.

    You are victim blaming when you say that she bears responsibility for what happened.
    Of course she was naive. Teenager. Legally, a child. They tend to be naive, what with being young. Which children usually are.
    And that’s why we have laws to protect them. Because they need that.
    What the fuck is wrong with you, that you keep hammering on this?

  107. says

    ING: Please ram an entire birthday cake, lit candles and all up your pee hole

    Judging from your tone, you seem to be an expert at it, show me an example.

    Feralboy: You are victim blaming when you say that she bears responsibility for what happened.

    What I meant was if she wasn’t navie then some of the fault should be on her.

  108. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    Nope. Here on planet Earth, it is wrong to place the blame on the individual who did not commit the wrongful act.
    Being naive didn’t cause her to be stalked and bullied. The manipulative fucker who stalked and bullied her was responsible.

    I change my mind. You do not have liquid stupid coursing through your veins.
    YOU ARE PURE STUPIDITY IN HUMAN FORM.
    Whoever made you forgot to install compassion and morality.

  109. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Fuckface, everyone here can read. You placed two thirds of the blame on Amanda Todd’s naivety.

    The monster who put so much effort in making her life miserable, YOU ARE PLACING ONLY ONE THIRD OF THE RESPONSIBILITY ON HIM!

    And when called on your victim blaming, you played the victim; whining that we only cared because we got to feel morally superior to you.

    And then you claim no one can read what you wrote.

    Read this and understand. The shit that fall from my ass is morally superior to you.

    __________________________________________________________________

    I think it is time for PZ to close this thread.

  110. vaiyt says

    @christtestter:

    Didn’t you get it? Fucking idiot. What I meant is that if someone see my facebook page with my address and my note saying that I left
    my door open… I don’t think you understand, I will make the scenario less complicated. I left my door open, I got robbed. The blame should be also on me for not leaving my door locked, Is it not?

    I understand what you’re saying, I just don’t agree.

    Leaving your door open doesn’t change the simple fact that, without the thief, no robbery would have happened. A thief would never be able to evade responsibility for robbery by pointing out the victim left their door open.

    Thieves don’t usually drive their victims to suicide either. Getting robbed, even if you left your door open, doesn’t make other people condemn and deride you as a “slut”, or anything equally negative. Your analogy is fucking shitty.

    By the way, being called an idiot by an ignorant bullying apologist like you feels like a compliment.

  111. vaiyt says

    Also, the analogy fails in one more subtle way: Amanda Todd flashed her breasts to one person, and that person violated her trust by spreading her image on the internet without her consent.

    So a closer analogy would be… you told a friend your door would be open, and HE puts up your address and the time on Facebook, THEN your house gets stolen by the people you know.

    Though it’s still an incredibly shitty analogy. Robbery is a one time event. If you change keys or address, you won’t be robbed anymore. People won’t hold that one time you left the door open against you. There’s no stigma upon people who have been robbed.

    And, that’s most important, there’s no scumbag robbery apologists like you trying to excuse the actions of robbers every time a discussion about it happens.

  112. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    So you didn’t read.

    No, you didn’t explain. Your analogies suck and are ignored. Either you accept responsibility for your own actions, which are apologizing for rape/bullying, or you shut the fuck up.

  113. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    What I meant was if she wasn’t navie then some of the fault should be on her.

    She wasn’t at fault at all. You can’t blame the victim without being a predator too. The predators, bullies, rapists, and other scum like you are at fault. What part of that don’t you understand? Oh, they part where you are at fault too. Grow up and take responsibility for being a bully if you are going to defend them. Get professional help.

  114. says

    Redhead: She wasn’t at fault at all.

    Yeah, she wasn’t at fault what I am saying that if she wasn’t naive see comment 137.

    Vaiyt: and that person violated her trust by spreading her image on the internet without her consent.

    So she was naive. End of story.

    And, that’s most important, there’s no scumbag robbery apologists like you trying to excuse the actions of robbers every time a discussion about it happens.

    How did I excuse the action of the robbers? you didn’t read as well, what I meant was it was the robbers fault alone with mine for leaving the door unlocked and for them to come in.

  115. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    what I am saying that if she wasn’t naive see comment 137.

    Your unevidenced OPINION, binethat of a rape apologist, bully apologist, and MRA, is *POOF* dismissed as fuckwittery. What part your OPINION is trash don’t you understand? Either bring third party evidence from legitimate sources outside of yourself, or shut the fuck up. Once you mature and become empathatic, maybe you will deserve to be listened to.

    Why is it so important for you to put the blame on the victim? THERE IS NO REASON UNLESS YOU VICTIMIZE WOMEN AND BULLY PEOPLE.

  116. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    And fuckface continues with the bad analogy.

    And continues to give the hard working predator only one third og the blame for what happened to Amanda Todd.

    But, please, keep come back to vomit up the same points over and over.

    (Side note, one little piece of evidence that fuckface does not do a good job of comprehending the written word. He keeps calling Nerd Of Redhead Redhead. Let’s see if he can figure that one out.)

  117. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    He keeps calling Nerd Of Redhead Redhead. Let’s see if he can figure that one out.)

    *doesn’t hold breath*

  118. says

    And, that’s most important, there’s no scumbag robbery apologists like you trying to excuse the actions of robbers every time a discussion about it happens.

    EXACTLY. Context matters.

  119. Amphiox says

    You know, blameless ness is actually part of the working definition of naive. To be naive is to make a mistake because of a lack of life experience, which is never an individual’s fault.

    When someone makes a mistake in a manner where some personal blame IS warranted, that is not naive, that is stupid.

    Sometimes people use the word naive when they mean stupid just to sound more civil, but the context is usually obvious.

    And so it is here. Crapfesterer, pitiful victim-blamer is actually saying that Amanda Todd was stupid, and is just using the word naive as code, because the asshole is too much of a coward to date to say what it really means.

  120. says

    Yeah, she wasn’t at fault what I am saying that if she wasn’t naive see comment 137.

    English mother fucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

    So she was naive. End of story.

    One seriously wonders if this guy acts confused at why so many people get upset about child rape or people exploiting the mentally or physically disabled…I mean come on if they wern’t so vulnerable they wouldn’t have been abused!

  121. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Ing, just remember, the predator is only one third responsible for the stalking.

  122. Ogvorbis says

    So christtestter spent days arguing that he doubted the personal rape story of a woman because of her now-defunct on-line ‘nym but never accused her of actually lying.

    Now xe is spending days insisting that Amanda Todd is to blame for the crimes committed against her because she was either naive or wasn’t naive.

    Seriously, christestter, why are you so intent on propagating the idea that women routinely lie about rape (you can tell she is lying because she used an angry pseudonym) and that when a woman is victimized, it is her fault? Are you protecting your self-image?

  123. says

    Ogvorbis: Seriously, christestter, why are you so intent on propagating the idea that women routinely lie about rape

    I am not intent on the idea. I never say woman always lie about rape. I only doubt this user because of the name and why do you completely ignore the fact that “IcumWhenIkillmen” threaten TAA with rape first? Why must I NOT doubt her like what you are doing?

    Janie: Nerd Of Redhead Redhead. Let’s see if he can figure that one out.)

    Maybe it is shorter than the entire name? Or do you think by calling redhead means I am a misogynist?

  124. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    Hey people. Let up on the poor guy.
    She was naive after all. In case you didn’t know. Judges convict people of naivete all the time. Why, US prison systems are FULL of people convicted of the crime of being naive. They should have known better.

  125. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    I am not intent on the idea. I never say woman always lie about rape.

    No, you just imply it like MRA’s rapists, and rape apologists. Otherwise, you would be condemning the idea with all your might. That is why we consider you a predator. You haven’t proven otherwise with third party data, and your word is worthless bullshit.

    Maybe it is shorter than the entire name? Or do you think by calling redhead means I am a misogynist?

    Yes. That is because all misogynists think I am the redhead (who is my wife of almost 40 years), instead of a bald 60+ fat male. I know from experience where you come from, and it is misogyny. If you weren’t a misogynist, you would have shut the fuck up a month ago with this bullshit. Only an egotistical misogynist fool would keep posting your idiocy, thinking your OPINION is anything other than trash.

  126. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    And CL, you still haven’t explained why it is so important for you to find women are at fault and lie about being raped….

    But then, we both know if you go there, you show your true nature. So, why don’t you just shut the fuck up and fade into the bandwidth if you won’t answer such a simple and pertinent question? MRA EGO….

  127. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    Nerd, you may have to break out the heavy artillery. Nothing works on this one. He seems stuck on ‘naive=bad; deserve stalking & bullying’. For some reason he cannot understand that being naive is not a crime nor that Amanda is not responsible for what happened to her. But christtester keeps going on as if being naive were a crime.

  128. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    But christtester keeps going on as if being naive were a crime.

    Keep asking it to explain why that concept is important. It really doesn’t want to go there.

  129. says

    Redhead :an egotistical misogynist fool would keep posting your idiocy,

    It’s just funny to see how people can rage over such trivial thing so I want to continue and see how far you can go. By the way, why do you keep replying to me?

    Tony: But christtester keeps going on as if being naive were a crime.

    Please quote a sentence when I say being naive is a crime. I have already say on the condition that Amanda Todd is not naive it will be her fault alone with those people.

    Redhead: you still haven’t explained why it is so important for you to find women are at fault and lie about being raped….

    By doubting one single female on the internet means I doubt the entire gender? Must be a new one and you haven’t explained why must I not doubt this user.

  130. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    t’s just funny to see how people can rage over such trivial thing so I want to continue and see how far you can go. By the way, why do you keep replying to me?

    Why don’t you answer the question of why do you keep trying to blame women by saying they are naive or overreport rapes. Your implications tell us all we need to know about your lack of honesty, integrity, and your predatory nature.

    I have already say on the condition that Amanda Todd is not naive it will be her fault alone with those people.

    Nothing Amanda did made what happened to her, her fault. It is always the fault of the predators like you. You know that. Otherwise, you would condemn them other than the victim. But then, you do what predators/bullies/rapists/rape apologists do, blame the victims, not the victimizers.

    By doubting one single female on the internet means I doubt the entire gender?

    Yes, until you prove otherwise with third party evidence. What part of your word is meaningless bullshit don’t you understand? Oh, the part where we know you lie, bullshit, and tell untruths for personal reasons…

  131. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    christtester:
    We have all agreed that Amanda was naive. You are the one who keeps using that to blame her for being bullied and stalked.
    Again, she was naive. So what?
    She is not responsible AT ALL for what was done to her. The responsibility is completely on the person who stalked and bullied her.
    And again I ask, are you Catholic? They are fond of blaming the victims for what other people do to them.

  132. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    And again I ask, are you Catholic? They are fond of blaming the victims for what other people do to them.

    Not only catholics, but predators like bullies, rapists, and would be rapists….

  133. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    And dear lurkers, if Cl wasn’t a predator, it would have answered the question of why it is so important to blame the women for being victims on the first asking. Notice its repeated ignoring of the question, like it knows the answer will not show it in the proper light…like it is a predator blaming its victims for being victimized…

  134. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Ok. You win. Feel better?

    I don’t give a shit, unlike you.

    And if by doubting one single female means the entire gender is shit logic.

    You haven’t shown it is only the single female, and your attitude says the whole gender. We are used to dealing with MRAs. You are one. We read you like a book by what you refuse to say…

  135. chigau (無) says

    The ‘nym is
    christtestter
    .
    christtestter
    count the ‘t’s
    .
    Doing a ctrl-f is a bugger if you insist on mislepping the ‘nym.
    —–
    christtestter
    YOU MEATHEAD!
    PUT THE STUFF YOU ARE QUOTING INSIDE THE <blockquote></blockquote>
    PUT YOUR COMMENT OUTSIDE THE BLOCKQUOTE

  136. says

    John Morals: “you are nearly as intelligent as my pet cat.”

    You didn’t get it. Too bad. What I am saying is that since she say by doubting one single female means doubting the entire gender does that means one females intelligent equal all?

  137. John Morales says

    christtestter:

    What I am saying is that since she say by doubting one single female means doubting the entire gender does that means one females intelligent equal all?

    First, let me transparently translate this putative interrogative contention from sub-normal to English, O chew-toy:
    “What I am saying meant to express is that since she say Nerd of Redhead writes [that] by doubting one single female means implies doubting [of] the entire gender[,] [then] does that means mean that one females female’s intelligent intelligence equal all? is equivalent [to every woman's] intelligence?”

    i.e.

    “What I meant to express is that since Nerd of Redhead writes that doubting one single female implies doubting of the entire gender, then does that mean that one female’s intelligence is equivalent to every woman’s intelligence?”

    Having done so, the answer is ‘no’.

    (The issue at hand is your specious rationalisation for this purported doubt)

    PS Is it not obvious to you that I am moral-less? ;)

  138. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    John:
    Thanks for the translation. How long did it take your cat to figure that out?

  139. chigau (無) says

    John Morales
    I ♥ Unicode.
    But finding the actual entities is sometimes difficult.

    and the prissy little &%^$%$@## still won’t include Klingon.

  140. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    thanesk u for crocting my enigsh! John Morales!

    We have also been correcting the liar and bullshitters lack of compassion, empathy, morals, and intelligence. CL is one stupid fuckwitted idjit who can’t stick a flounce. Which proves it is nothing but a troll.

  141. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    CL, you still haven’t said why it is so important for you to keep blaming the victims.

  142. says

    CL is one stupid fuckwitted idjit who can’t stick a flounce. Which proves it is nothing but a troll.

    You called me a troll? If I am a troll. Then I have succeed trolling you a long time ago. There isn’t any need I for me to reply if I am troll because I already got all the reaction out of you.

    CL, you still haven’t said why it is so important for you to keep blaming the victims.

    When did I blame the victim? By doubting a victim means I am blaming them? And I am not even sure whether she was rape since she had threaten others with rape,all of you seem to be ok with that. For Amanda Todd ‘s case I have already say on the condition that if she was not naive(oh yeah, she was 15 not 13 at least get your fact on Amanda Todd right) she would have to share the blame. I still don’t understand why you are calling me a predator.

  143. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    By doubting a victim means I am blaming them?

    Absolutely. It means you think they are lying and bullshitting, and deserve what they received. Which is why I doubt your fuckwitted lying and bullshitting words. Except you are deceiving yourself, not us.

    There isn’t any need I for me to reply if I am troll because I already got all the reaction out of you.

    Then you can stop trolling, and shut the fuck, and not post here again. But then, that requires honesty and integrity. Which you don’t have.

    Why are you still trying to balme the victims? Until you show empathy for their problems caused by others, you are blaming the victims.

  144. vaiyt says

    How did I excuse the action of the robbers?

    Nobody does. That’s kind of the point I was trying to make.

    When a robbery happens, no matter how naïve the victim was, nobody comes up to make excuses for their behavior.

    WHY DO YOU AND SO MANY OTHERS TRY TO FIND EXCUSES FOR BULLIES, STALKERS AND RAPISTS?

  145. Ogvorbis says

    It’s just funny to see how people can rage over such trivial thing so I want to continue and see how far you can go.

    Rape is not trivial. Sexual abuse is not trivial. Bullying is not trivial. Victim blaming is not trivial. Asserting that rape victims lie is not trivial.

    I have already say on the condition that Amanda Todd is not naive it will be her fault alone with those people.

    And this is why you are accused of blaming the victim. Because you are blaming the victim.

    What I am saying is that since she say by doubting one single female means doubting the entire gender does that means one females intelligent equal all?

    Because it doesn’t stop with one rape victim. If she lied, what about her? What about that kid? Get it?

    By doubting a victim means I am blaming them? . . . . For Amanda Todd ‘s case I have already say on the condition that if she was not naive . . . she would have to share the blame.

    Right there, you blame the victim. Twice.

    Deep breath.

    Listen up, asshole, I’m going to explain how both of those (doubting and naivete) make rape easier and make sure that the victim thinks it is their fault.

    I was raped. Repeatedly. My scoutmaster not only raped me but he also photographed me and forced me to rape someone even younger. I was naive enough to think that what he was doing was, if not okay, at least acceptable but, at the same time, I knew what he was doing was wrong, I knew it hurt, I knew it was a secret. So, was I naive (not my fault) or was I not (my fault)? See, even at the age of nine or ten, I had absorbed enough of the patriarchal rape culture in the USA to know that these things only happen to girls, not boys, so I had to be in the wrong. I knew it was my fault, that I, the victim, was to blame, because I knew it was wrong and didn’t report it to anyone.

    Why didn’t I report it? I knew that no one would believe me. Because of people like you. People who are still around, still coming up with the whole ‘so-called-rape victims lie’.

    Please leave. You are an execrable example of humanity — unable to empathize, care, or even think of victims as human beings. You are part of the problem.

  146. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Funny how fuckface does not want to touch what he implied, that the predator is only one third responsible for coercing Amanda Todd into flashing her breast online and his continued stalking and harassing of her as she repeatedly moved.

    Instead, he would rather whine about how he is being treated.

    Please leave. You are an execrable example of humanity — unable to empathize, care, or even think of victims as human beings. You are part of the problem.

    This cannot be emphasized enough.

  147. says

    Rape is not trivial. Sexual abuse is not trivial. Bullying is not trivial. Victim blaming is not trivial. Asserting that rape victims lie is not trivial.

    Arguing about why I cannot doubt this user is trivial.

    People who are still around, still coming up with the whole ‘so-called-rape victims lie’.

    Clearly, you didn’t read. I have say on my post that I doubt her because of the name and what she says. She threaten the TAA with rape before TAA threaten her with rape. If you go on court and start sprouting bullshit about how you laid someone yesterday night then you said you were rape. Almost everyone(expect for some people like you friends here) will doubt you.

  148. Esteleth has eaten ALL the gingerbread! Suck it! says

    USE BLOCKQUOTES CORRECTLY. PLEASE

    Has it occurred to you that the blogger (who is NOT Amanda Todd, just so we’re clear) picked “IcumwhenIkillmen” as her screenname after she was raped, and largely as a way of managing her feeling related to having been raped?

    Is the idea that woman who has been victimized being angry – at those who victimized her and the system that enabled it – unthinkable to you? Or is female anger so wrong and unnatural that you cast aspersions on it?

    But please, tell us again about how the blame in the Amanda Todd case likes with Amanda herself, not the scumbag who conned her into exposing her breasts and then distributed the photo, and harassed her until she died.

  149. Ogvorbis says

    Clearly, you didn’t read. I have say on my post that I doubt her because of the name and what she says.

    And you still refuse to show even a spark of empathy. I already explained one possibility for her using that pseudonym but you are so wrapped up in the whole bitches lie meme that you cannot empathize with another human being.

    Again, please leave. If you refuse to leave, that is your right, of course, but please stop and think about why so many people have problems with your view of reality. I know that I could be wrong. You seem convinced that you, and only you, have the Truth and that the rest of the world is too fucking stupid to understand your special Truth. A little introspection could help with the whole empathy thing.

  150. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Arguing about why I cannot doubt this user is trivial.

    It is trivial beause you doubt all claims of rape. Your argument is bogus though. You haven’t proved your point with third party evidence. All you have done is to make an unevidenced claim, which is *poof* dismissed for utter fuckwitery.

    have say on my post that I doubt her because of the name and what she says.

    Who gives a shit of why YOU doubt her? Your word is nothing but lies and bullshit. You are trying to convince us we should doubt her. You fail our burden of evidence/argument due to your totally self-serving idiocy, and lack of appropiate evidence. We won’t take your word on anything, as it is nothing but lies and bullshit

  151. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    I see that fuckface is ignoring me.

    Too fucking bad, fuckface.

    Please explain how a predator is only one third responsible for the stalking and harassing of a teen age girl.

    There is a reason why you have been accused of being a victim blamer.

  152. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    christtestter @193:
    When did you blame the victim?
    Surely you are not this obtuse.
    Every time you say because she is naive, she is responsible for what happened to her, you are blaming her (the victim). Amanda Todd was manipulated by an older man into flashing him. He took pictures. He distributed those pictures-of his own will-online. She did not make him do this at all. She is not responsible, at all. The same guy bullied and stalked her. She did not make him do that. He is responsible for that.

    Do you understand how guilt and responsibility work? Amanda is not guily of doing anything wrong. She is not responsible for what happened to her.

  153. vaiyt says

    Arguing about why I cannot doubt this user is trivial.

    You consider “trivial” to dismiss someone’s claims of being raped.

    Thanks for making sure we understand how much of a shitstain you are.

  154. says

    Tony: Every time you say because she is naive, she is responsible for what happened to her

    It would be great if you read the whole thing I wrote instead of skipping words. I said. On the Condition that Amanda Todd is not naive. She also need to share some of the blame. She is not 13. 15.

    You consider “trivial” to dismiss someone’s claims of being raped.

    Doubting someone does not means dismissing someone’s claim on rape.

    And you still refuse to show even a spark of empathy. I already explained one possibility for her using that pseudonym but you are so wrapped up in the

    Yes. I doubt her I know you don’t care. I just don’t understand why is it wrong to doubt her. I cannot show any spark of empathy because I have never be rape before and I don’t want to be known as the guy who walk around telling rape victim. “I know how you feel” when I don’t know how they feel.

  155. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Fuckface, you have yet to explain why the predator is only one third responsible.

  156. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    Hey shitheaded tester of christ:

    I can read.
    Clearly you cannot.
    I have already said she was naive.
    Let me spell this out in simpler terms.
    If Amanda was naive, it does not matter. She is not guilty or responsible.
    If Amanda was NOT naive, it still does not matter. She is still not guilty or responsible.

    Do you understand?

    Her guilt or level of responsibility does not change whether she is naive or not. She shares none of the blame whether she is naive or not.

    Are you ready to stop blaming her? Since all she did was flash a predator who made the choice to manipulate, harass, bully, and stalk her, we know HE is fully 100% to blame.

  157. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    And you blockquote the person you are quoting, not yourself. If you’re going to continue to pretend to be an adult, this is something you need to master.

  158. Ogvorbis says

    Doubting someone does not means dismissing someone’s claim on rape.

    If you doubt someone it means you do not believe them. If you doubt them it means you are dismissing what they say. What the ever-loving-flying-fuck do you think DOUBT means?

  159. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Doubting someone does not means dismissing someone’s claim on rape.

    Actually it does, and is prima facie evidence you are nothing but a liar and bullshitter. Don’t play such games with us. We have seen it all before. You are boring and ignornant.

    Still not explaining why it is so damn important to show womenz are at fault for predators doing things to them…

  160. Ogvorbis says

    Nerd:

    It is a rather depressing performance. christtestter has been here for days with, basically, only two things to say: xe doesn’t believe one woman’s account of rape because her pseudonym sounds like she is angry at men (gee, I wonder why?) and that Amanda Todd was responsible for most of what happened to her. Women lie about rape and women are to blame when bad things happen. Depressing as hell on so many levels.

  161. Ogvorbis says

    Addendum: And I really wish that I could say I was surprised by christtestter’s attitude.

  162. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Depressing as hell on so many levels.

    Ogvorbis, I understand you frustration. Take a break. I don’t know how long it take PZ to banhammer the troll, but that appears the only way it will go. Too stupid to just leave on its own.

  163. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Too stupid to just leave on its own.

    Reminds me of a certain cowboy creobot for its persistence, but it isn’t as smart as the creobot to try to actually attempt to present third party evidence to pretend it is actually debating. Why don’t you make a plea on the lounge thread.

  164. Amphiox says

    I cannot show any spark of empathy because I have never be rape before

    The DEFINITION of empathy is the ability to imagine what another is feeling/thinking/going through WITHOUT NECESSARILY having to personally have had experienced the same thing.

    Empathy doesn’t require prior experience, it requires only a small amount of imagination, coupled with a tiniest speck of human decency.

    pisstaster the odious worm self-evidently lacks both.

    crapfapper the moron apparently does not comprehend the meaning of the word “empathy”, along with the meaning of the word “naive”, and the word “dismiss”, and the word “doubt”.

  165. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    How the fuck did I miss that??!!
    You can’t empathize with a rape victim because you have never been raped.
    I just… I am near speechless.
    I guess by your “logic”, you cannot empathize with anyone who has experienced something that you have not.
    Do you even know what empathy IS?
    You need to get off the internet and practice being human. Start over. Reboot your life. You have utterly failed.

  166. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    I missed that also so I went back.

    I cannot show any spark of empathy because I have never be rape before and I don’t want to be known as the guy who walk around telling rape victim. “I know how you feel” when I don’t know how they feel.

    Damn it! Damn it all!

    You do not need to say you know how it feels. In fact, the victim does not want to hear you say you know how it feels. If the victim wants to speak, you just listen.

    You have much to learn just to rise up to being a base level decent person.

  167. vaiyt says

    I cannot show any spark of empathy because I have never be rape before and I don’t want to be known as the guy who walk around telling rape victim. “I know how you feel” when I don’t know how they feel.

    We’re not asking you to presume to know how rape victims feel, idiot. Empathy doesn’t require you to be a condescending, pretentious tool. It requires that you CARE about others’ suffering, and don’t dismiss it as irrelevant because you don’t suffer yourself. That’s all.

  168. Amphiox says

    cracktoaster, aspiring child sexual abuser and defender of the same, doesn’t do empathy.

    Empathy is too wishy-washy. Crudpisser the abominable prefers numbers. Cold, hard, solid numbers.

    Numbers like 1/3, and 2 (the difference between 15 and 13).

  169. says

    Ogvobris: If you doubt someone it means you do not believe them. If you doubt them it means you are dismissing what they say.

    If I doubt a salesman about a product does that mean I do not believed him and I am dismissing what he said?

  170. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    The fucking rape apologist is still here? Shouldn’t he be off worshipping TAA?

  171. says

    Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞:
    “The fucking rape apologist is still here? Shouldn’t he be off worshipping TAA?”

    The leader of the jerk of society is still here? Shouldn’t you be feeling good about your moral superiority somewhere else?

  172. John Morales says

    christtestter, at least you admit Tony is morally superior to you.

    Anyway, what do you think about TAA and his treatment of Amanda Todd’s tragic death?

  173. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    I am perfectly happy being here displaying my moral superiority to you christtestter.

  174. says

    Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ :I am perfectly happy being here displaying my moral superiority to you christtestter.

    Yeah. Your moral is more superior than me because I doubt some random person’s rape claim on the internet and you don’t. I kneel at your moral superiority.

  175. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Yeah. Your moral is more superior than me because I doubt some random person’s rape claim on the internet and you don’t. I kneel at your moral superiority.

    Thre reasons for moral superiority, 1) empathy, 2) no agenda of MRA fuckwittery, and 3) doesn’t pretend to funny or think sarcasm is appropriate for a trolling response.

    What an abject confirmed troll loser.

  176. Ogvorbis says

    If I doubt a salesman about a product does that mean I do not believed him and I am dismissing what he said?

    Yes.

    And what the fuck is so hard about blockquoting for you?

    Your moral is more superior than me because I doubt some random person’s rape claim on the internet and you don’t. I kneel at your moral superiority.

    You are a rape denialist (because a woman is angry (and her ‘nym (at the time) reflected that) you think she is lying about rape) — doubt means you think that she is not telling the truth. You have also engaged in victim blaming. You are a full-fledged card-carrying member of rape culture. Your denial and victim blaming make it less likely that a victim will report a rape, make it less likely that the police will fully investigate the rape, make it less likely that a district attorney will file charges, and make it less likely that the rapist will be convicted. If that is your goal, you are doing a great job. If not, take a look at what you keep writing here (for almost a month?) and add some introspection to your life.

  177. says

    @ christtestter

    How to blockquote. A primer for idjits:

    < blockquote > paste quoted text here. paste it all here. the magic computer fairies offset the words. < /blockquote >

    paste quoted text here. paste it all here. the magic computer fairies offset the words.

    Link to chigau‘s original, simple howto.

    Remember to put the quoted text within blockquotes, not the other way around. If you need to identify your own words, rather use this format:
    < q > Hi I are christtestter!!! < /q >

  178. vaiyt says

    inanettroll is doing the same fucking routine rape victims have to go through with their acquaintances, and police, and just about everyone, wherein they have to jump through a zillion hoops just to have their claims taken seriously because PEOPLE KEEP DOUBTING THEM AT EVERY TURN.

    You say you were raped, but you might have been drunk, you might be lying to hurt him, you might not like men because of your internet ‘nym, you might be lying because bitchez lie, you might be hysterical, you might be exaggerating, you might be emotional, you might be inventing memories, you might be stupid, you might be at that time of the month…

    inanettroll is the problem.

  179. Esteleth has eaten ALL the gingerbread! Suck it! says

    Really?
    All this time, and christtester still cannot blockquote?

    And he’s still a flaming douchebucket?

    *sigh*

  180. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Dear lurkers, look at pieces of evidence where CL admits it is a flaming egotistical asshat. 1) Can’t shut the fuck up, and repeats itself ad nauseum, like a conceited troll. 2) Can’t understand the totally logical claim where if it doubts what someone says, it is the same as calling them a liar and bullshitter. 3) Believes we should swallow its OPINION without a skeptical looks. 4) Fails to understand it came here to sell us on a bill of goods (women lie about rape), and when it utter failed to do so, tried to make it about us telling him what he must believe.

    CL, I don’t care what you believe, just post your fuckwitted and stupid belief (or OPINION) elsewhere.

  181. Tony ∞2012 recipient of the coronal mass erection∞ says

    Chigau:
    I do wish there were instructions on how to blockquote. The tag list isn’t tertibly helpful in that regard.

  182. says

    @ chigau

    I feel a little naughty, lifting your words verbatim like that. But I do find the “magic computer fairies” far too funny to not deploy.

    I’ll add a little instruction on Pharynguwiki when I get a round TUIT. (Including instructions for “Text Formatting Toolbar” and ways to add unusual characters.)

  183. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Fuckface, going to get around to finally explaining why a predator is only one third responsible for the stalking he does?

  184. John Morales says

    christtestter: what do you think about TAA and his treatment of Amanda Todd’s tragic death?

  185. strange gods before me ॐ says

    christtestter: what do you think about TAA and his treatment of Amanda Todd’s tragic death?

  186. sc_10ec3d4e56335fab8187a931b581361f says

    Amanda Todd shouldn’t have gotten any media attention. After constantly masturbating online and having sex with someone she knew she had a boyfriend, I truly think she doesn’t matter. I’m disgusted she’s a martyr. I’ve been bullied in my life, and I don’t want some chick who can’t close her legs to represent people like me

  187. John Morales says

    sc_mess, she was no internet troll, unlike you.

    And she’s not (and was not) a martyr, she was a victim.

    (You might care to look up the meaning of the word — she did not die to uphold some principle, she was overcome by despair)

    And unless you’re a dead teenage girl who has been harassed and manipulated by sexual predators from a very early age whilst having your pleas for help ignored, your situation is nothing like hers.

  188. John Morales says

    [meta]

    sc_mess, you do, do you?

    Perhaps the blockquote tag is beyond you, but are quotation marks also beyond you?

  189. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Too bad. I won’t.

    Why?
    What do you hope to accomplish with further posts?
    We know you don’t listen.
    You know you don’t listen.
    You know you have nothing to sell us being morally bankrupt.

    Perhaps, perhaps not! Who fucking cares.

    Another attitude troll. Nothing of substance, just “listen to me”. Why, if you have nothing but victim blaming to say. That is the sign of fuckwitted amoral idjits.

  190. says

    Why?
    I AM BORED! Do you even know what a troll is?

    Redhead: Why?
    What do you hope to accomplish with further posts?
    We know you don’t listen.
    You know you don’t listen.
    You know you have nothing to sell us being morally bankrupt.

  191. John Morales says

    christtestter: what do you think about TAA and his treatment of Amanda Todd’s tragic death?

  192. chigau (無) says

    christtestter, what do you think about TAA and his treatment of Amanda Todd’s tragic death?

  193. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Why do you care?

    Why do you? Otherwise, you wouldn’t be aggressive and not go away…

    Do you even know what a troll is?

    When you are there showing nothing but a need to post nothing?

  194. John Morales says

    christtestter, I care because this post is in memoriam to the victim no less than it is a condemnation of someone who is so lacking in empathy that they not only feel no sorrow for her tragic circumstances and death, but is aggrieved and envious that they don’t get the (posthumous as it may be) sympathy she and therefore lashes out about it.

    (Bad enough to ignore such a symptom of a sick society, but made far worse when accompanied by indignant envy of the attention (too late) paid to it)

    Again: this is not an open thread, and if you only want to post for the sake of it, do it in the Thunderdome, which is specifically set up for that.

    (I know you won’t, since you’re patently trolling)

  195. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    I see that sc_wtf does not blame the predator at all for what happened to Amanda Todd.

    I would like sc_wtf to choke on it’s moniker.

    Also, cl, why is the predator only one third responsible for his actions?

  196. says

    sc_10ec3d4e56335fab8187a931b581361f

    That you, KaylaKaze?

    I don’t want some chick who can’t close her legs to represent people like me

    Oh, I don’t think you need worry, you aren’t likely to inspire much compassion.

  197. says

    You feel sorrow for her death? And that probably makes you a decent human being right?

    “I care because this post is in memoriam to the victim no less than it is a condemnation of someone who is so lacking in empathy that they not only feel no sorrow for her tragic circumstances and death.”

    If I leave my fucking door open and I got robbed. I deserved it. You fuckwits don’t want to take responsibility for your own stupidity. Too fucking bad. What do you do if the predator strike again? You blame him one more fucking time? The only way is to take precaution. Or don’t and get mindfuck again.

    “Also, cl, why is the predator only one third responsible for his actions?”

  198. kinkyjack says

    You know what I love most about the internet? Everyone in there always think that they are right.

  199. Tony ∞The Queer Shoop∞ says

    christtestter:
    we’ve already read your posts. We know what you think you don’t think.

  200. Tony ∞The Queer Shoop∞ says

    kinkyjack:
    I don’t know who your post is directed at, but if you haven’t been following this thread, I’d advise you to read first, then post.
    We already have christtestter as our resident. unthinking, uncaring, sexist fuckwit. I hope that you’re not going to add to that.

  201. says

    kinkyjack:

    You know what I love most about the internet? Everyone in there always think that they are right.

    You know what I find annoying about the internet? Jackasses who think they know what they’re talking about when they haven’t bothered to read a word…’coz reading be hard, dudebros.

  202. Amphiox says

    Poor, poor craptaster slithered back in on another pitiful attention-seeking binge, I see.

    Something awful must have happened to it in its regular life. I wonder what? Dumped by a girlfriend? Disowned by mom? Abandoned by an imaginary friend?

    Poor, poor biddy.

  203. Tony ∞The Queer Shoop∞ says

    christtestter:
    It’s already been explained that your analogy is piss poor. I don’t know why you keep using it. Oh, wait, yes I do: you are a stupid fucking piece of shit who has piss poor ability to engage his brain effectively.

  204. Amphiox says

    I am perfectly happy being here displaying my moral superiority to you christtestter.

    And it’s just so easy, isn’t it?

  205. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    You are so fucking right, fuckface. A predator coercing a teenaged girl to flash her breasts online, taking a picture and using social media to send this to her classmates through multiple schools is just like you not locking your door.

    You are as fucking stupid as you are unemphatic.

    Keep eating your vomit, dog.

  206. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Kinkyjack, you are a fool. You know shit about what you are talking about.

  207. says

    No. You don’t. Blaming the predator is NOT going to bring your anywhere unless you get them arrested. But it is impossible for all predators to be arrested. So it is better you take precaution and use parental control for teenagers. And you don’t lack empathy. Yes you don’t. How are you helping this teenager by having empathy? How? Just tell me how are you stopping the predators by telling me I lack empathy and you don’t?

  208. says

    Ing:

    ReallY!? STILL!? REALLY!? For Fuck Sake, GET A LIFE

    I’ve sent an alert. I think over three weeks of trolling is adequate for even the stupidest person to get their point across.

  209. anteprepro says

    Holy shit this is still going on? This troll is going to dig its way to China at this rate.

  210. consciousness razor says

    No. You don’t. Blaming the predator is NOT going to bring your anywhere unless you get them arrested.

    The predator is responsible whether or not he is arrested. “Blame” or responsibility is just a concept. Concepts are not meant to be capable of arresting people. Shouldn’t you understand what responsibility is, if it matters so much to your argument?

    But it is impossible for all predators to be arrested. So it is better you take precaution and use parental control for teenagers.

    That doesn’t follow. It is better to arrest them than not to arrest them, because they are responsible. You introduce “precaution” and “parental control for teenagers” into the argument, because you want to find some way to pin the responsibility on the victim rather than the predator who is responsible and should be arrested. That does not mean those things follow from the premises. It just means you’re a shithead.

    And you don’t lack empathy. Yes you don’t.

    You can’t even say something as simple as “you have empathy” without sounding like an idiot.

    How are you helping this teenager by having empathy? How? Just tell me how are you stopping the predators by telling me I lack empathy and you don’t?

    Does everything you do involve stopping predators? How is your trolling stopping predators? Are you not allowed to comment until you have stopped all predators everywhere, because that is the only thing anyone should ever do?

  211. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    One of the bright spots of my life?

    I am unlikely to ever meet cl.

    *flush*

  212. anteprepro says

    Perhaps we should get chadwhateverthefuck in here to tut-tut us for being so mean to christtester, and then show us, first-hand, how to use Pure Undiluted Reason and The Power of Truth against the anti-women brigade, without the inconvenience of dirtying ourselves with passion or mockery. Anyone want to see if they want to set up a playdate and see who can out mansplain the other?

  213. consciousness razor says

    How is my trolling helping to stop predator? How is [sic] you telling ME I lack empathy and is [sic] an idiot help stops [sic] predators?

    Turn the record over. You already asked that loaded, nonsensical question.

  214. says

    Anteprepro:

    Perhaps we should get chadwhateverthefuck in here to tut-tut us for being so mean to christtester, and then show us, first-hand, how to use Pure Undiluted Reason and The Power of Truth against the anti-women brigade, without the inconvenience of dirtying ourselves with passion or mockery. Anyone want to see if they want to set up a playdate and see who can out mansplain the other?

    Are you trying to set off the apocalypse?

  215. says

    Perhaps we should get chadwhateverthefuck in here to tut-tut us for being so mean to christtester, and then show us, first-hand, how to use Pure Undiluted Reason and The Power of Truth against the anti-women brigade, without the inconvenience of dirtying ourselves with passion or mockery.

    I swear to God that I WILL see this meme die even if it means strangling the last Vulcan with the intestines of the last Vorlon to make it so!

  216. says

    Ing:

    I swear to God that I WILL see this meme die even if it means strangling the last Vulcan with the intestines of the last Vorlon to make it so!

    Chadgething took it to new lows, though. He made the statement that if someone called his daughters ‘cunt’, he’d weigh the situation carefully first, because it might be okay for someone to do that.

    Then he went on, in an effort to swing Sally Strange to his point of view, to say:

    If we meet a 90 year old hick who has only ever called black people “negroes”, we would not call him racist if ze said “I ain’t had negroes in ma house befow”. I would rather say that we use a different term now and judge him on his actions.

    Actually, now that I think on it, I’d like to see a cage match between chadwhatever and christtwhatever. Even if it did bring on the apocalypse.

  217. says

    If we meet a 90 year old hick who has only ever called black people “negroes”, we would not call him racist if ze said “I ain’t had negroes in ma house befow”. I would rather say that we use a different term now and judge him on his actions.

    …so we won’t call him racist(an accurate descriptor even if we’re being anthropologically objective) but we will call him hick???

  218. consciousness razor says

    Perhaps we should get chadwhateverthefuck in here to tut-tut us for being so mean to christtester, and then show us, first-hand, how to use Pure Undiluted Reason and The Power of Truth against the anti-women brigade, without the inconvenience of dirtying ourselves with passion or mockery.

    The only slightly funny part about it was how blatantly unreasonable chadwhateverthefuck was being. Not to mention engaging in name-calling anyway (calling them “imbeciles”) and all the assholery about using the word “cunt.”

    An ideal concern/tone troll.

  219. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    If you can’t read my post. Don’t.

    If you can’t post readable material, don’t post fuckwit. We already know you are nothing but a stubborn asshole who doesn’t care about victims. What else do you have to say? Other than nobody can tell you what to do, like a typical liberturd, another form of amoral asshole….

  220. says

    Ing:

    …so we won’t call him racist(an accurate descriptor even if we’re being anthropologically objective) but we will call him hick???

    Apparently. ‘Hick’ must not ping chad “veddy polite” gething’s rudeness meter.

  221. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Jerk-off orders……………

    If you don’t want to be ordered around, stop acting like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. Show some maturity…

  222. consciousness razor says

    …so we won’t call him racist(an accurate descriptor even if we’re being anthropologically objective) but we will call him hick???

    Don’t bother looking for consistency, Ing. Consistency does not make chadwhateverthefuck comfortable.

  223. says

    Ing:

    He needs to upgrade it from it’s current Victorian British setting

    Oh, more than that. In his defense of cunt, he tried to claim that it was once (historically) a polite word. He was wrong, of course, but it didn’t stop his attempted defense. He’s very 11th century.

  224. says

    Christtester has been banned.

    It’s OK, though, because if he hadn’t been commenting here he wouldn’t have met the banhammer.

  225. vaiyt says

    Really, PZ? Dude basically went full-on spambot for the last round of comments. I doubt we’d gain anything by keeping a silly troll around.

  226. Rodney Nelson says

    Jason Thibeault #820

    Surely PZ is only one third responsible for christtester’s banning.

    +1