TZT
The current crop is certainly fitting the theme of The Zombie Thread: dull, dumb, mindless, and repetitive. You keep filling ‘em up, though, I’ll keep knocking ‘em down.
Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal
Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:33 am
ryan –
Your google-fu sucks. Try some remedial internet usage classes. You were looking for:
THIS.
the quote is:
Argue against it, sure. But “he said something like X, but I can’t find the thread” without trying a simple tool like google does not entitle you to make up some paraphrase of what Josh said and argue against that.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:34 am
OT, but are others having trouble getting the comments all to appear? At the top of the preceding TZT thread, I see reference to 901 comments, but I only can get 401 to resolve.
I’d hate to miss anything.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:34 am
A new thread!
PZ Myers:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Yeah, a new thread, but the same ol’ idiot. Try saying something novel, rajkumar…like something with a little fucking intelligence.
Ze Madmax:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Lyn M @ #2:
FtB automatically creates a new comment “page” for every 500 comments. If you scroll down to the end of the comments in any thread with 500+ comments, there should be a link to “Older Comments” (or “Older Posts”).
Jadehawk, chef d’orchestre féministe:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:38 am
lyn, on the bottom, just under PZ’s closing post, should be a small link to “older comments”. that’s where the other 500 comments are
Caine, fantôme élastique MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:42 am
PZ:
If that actually happened, I might need the fainting couch.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:45 am
OK. I’ll try.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:47 am
Caine, love, I don’t mean to impose, but I could use your help.
Thanks honey.
Hurin, Nattering Nabob of Negativism:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:47 am
Raj
OMG!! Isn’t it magical?! It must be the work of a deity!
Caine, fantôme élastique MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Already there, Josh!
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:56 am
Nope. Not a deity. Universal laws. Physics. Newton. Einstein. Evolution by Natural Selection Charles Darwin, etc.
Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:57 am
I just wanted to bring up something that I loved from TZT-7: comment 279 on the “newer comments” section…
Ing:
Yes. One of the things that annoys me no end are the memes that the Horde is constantly in lockstep and that pharyngula is an echo chamber of constructive interference.
The first time I posted, PZ himself came down on my, and a number of regulars as well. When I was nominated for a Molly, I posted something that was dramatically wrong by assuming only those with Mollies could vote for the next Molly recipient. I was roundly chastised – and deservedly so. Further, on the same Molly thread I encouraged folk to vote for people who had been engaged in Pharyngula longer than I. I was roundly chastised for misunderstanding the nature of the Molly, with accusations of false modesty thrown in. Realizing I could vote, I stopped lobbying for other people to vote according to my own criteria.
Meanwhile, on another thread I mistook some astute commentary to be based on a reaction to something totally different…and thus that the commentary made transphobic assumptions and was unhelpful, even counterproductive. I stuck to my guns when I was told I was wrong. Right up to the point where the person pointed out the post to which they were actually responding. Then I owned up to be dramatically wrong. Again.
All that happened over just a couple days. It wasn’t my finest Pharyngula hour. But I admitted my errors because others provided information/evidence/good argument. And, while I don’t at all think that these errors or my admissions increased my chances in any way, what happened during that time was that people voted me a Molly.
The point of this is that being wrong and arguing against other regulars not only happens, it comes from people who are given the only kind of formal respect the Horde offers. My being wrong on several things, just at the moment a Molly was being decided, would have likely made it impossible to get something like it on most other sites. Not here. We value good info and argument. We value when someone can admit error or concede an argument. We are anything but an echo chamber.
To the extent that we sound like one, it is only when a post or poster seriously violates multiple fundamental values around here – then even people with different priorities are going to be united against the Derp.
So when Ing said the above on TZT-7, I just wanted to, well, echo it. Constructively.
Aw, hell.
Nepenthe:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:03 am
Jesus that’s chilling. I’m seeing Winston Smith with a cage of rats over his face. It’ll all stop as long as you say the right words.
Granted, a dimwit like myself can leave and pet the cat when the Horde descends; you can save the indignation regarding the imperfect analogy because I realize it is an analogy and not an isomorphism.
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:11 am
Yes, Nepenthe,PZ is Big Brother and this is Airstrip One.
The idiot was neither nor under interrogation. He was doubling down on a very bad argument and got what he deserved.
You are using an inappropriate analogy.
So, do you see a cage around your head now?
Jadehawk, chef d’orchestre féministe:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:13 am
I love Dispatches, but the comment section sometimes gives me headaches. an other times, i discover that some people who are stupid here are even more stupid over there:
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:13 am
.
Mm. Yes.
Caine, fantôme élastique MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:34 am
Nepenthe:
It shouldn’t be, Nepenthe, especially as that’s not what Ing meant at all and I suspect you know that, really. Pharyngula is one of those places where if you’re wrong and keep digging a hole instead of owning up, the commentariat will continue to argue and attempt to get through, to educate, much like we were doing with Ryan. When someone does say something like “oh, I see what you’re saying, sorry!”, everyone accepts that and moves on.
You’ve been in the thick of enough threads to know that. Are you feeling especially down lately?
Nepenthe:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:35 am
@Janine
As I said, I’m aware that, as an analogy, it’s not a fucking one-to-one correspondence. For the analogically impaired: to say that the way to make suffering stop (eg “escape a shit storm”) is to say the correct words or think the correct things (“admitting you were wrong”) is creepy at best. One should change one’s mind because one was wrong and is now convinced of that, not because one is being berated. The idea that submission is liberating is chilling and straight out of the re-education handbook.
The chillingness of this idea has no relation to the crimes of the person being shit-stormed. If struggle sessions were the tools of a radical feminist party against MRAs, they’d still be authoritarian and wrong. I don’t really give a shit who the idiot was or what they did. ING’s statement, and that people here are echoing it, is creepy regardless.
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:38 am
So, you knowingly use a bad analogy. What is the fucking point?
Oh, wait, I do not give a flying fuck. Just an other bad argument.
Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:53 am
Nepenthe –
saying that one can get out of a shitstorm by doing X is
NOT
the same as saying the ONLY way to get out of a shitstorm is by doing X.
You can also get out of a shitstorm by providing good, reliable info/evidence in a context of good argument.
But when you’re wrong, you don’t win by digging the hole deeper – not here anyway.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:00 am
Nerd, here is another link for you. This time it’s Alan Watts talking about ‘nothingness’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrMVous0Ac
The universe coming from nothing is a very old concept.
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:05 am
Rajkumar, please do me a favor. Make like an Ouroboros and cram your head up your ass until you disappear.
Hey, Nepenthe, would I make a good O’Brien?
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:08 am
Give me a visual demonstration first. A picture is worth a thousand words. A visual demonstration is worth a million words.
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:13 am
Assclam, you do not need a visual demonstration.
Just disappear, you fucking waste of meat.
mikmik:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:21 am
@John Morales – (I am a bad, bad person)
That reminds me of a line I heard somewhere: When I’m bad, I’m really, really bad, but when I’m good, I’m wicked.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:31 am
Thanks for the help with the older comments section. I have been scurrying around checking comments and trying to keep up.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:36 am
I suppose you can’t see me. So, just let me out of your mind, if you have one, and I will disappear for you.
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:40 am
Smug assclam, is there any way you cannot be a creep?
Also, I will be more fucking direct seeing that you will not understand words.
Stop commenting here. Everything you say is a waste. And you are a waste of meat.
Delete this site from your computer’s memory and just watch what you think proves the existence of god, big breasted porn.
Damn, how can you stand to be with yourself?
Nepenthe:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:41 am
@Caine
Yeah, considering that incongruity of someone I’m not paying to do so or related to expressing concern for my wellbeing has me weeping an hour later (and through looking at that remarkable photo of Dust and Alfie too), “especially down” is probably right on the money. Thank you, sincerely.
I’m probably wrong–I’m rarely not– but if I don’t even have the mental capacity to appreciate a cat video, I’m certainly not going to be able to figure out whether I am or not.
Shutting the fuck up now. Sorry everyone, I’ll try to keep that a more consistent habit.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:44 am
I am sure this question was for you.
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:50 am
Your attempt at an insult is just as much of a waste as everything else you say.
*killfile*
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:53 am
Well, at least, you get some points in this area. You are a semi-pro. But do thank me for letting you bitch and vent without giving any usual reactions. Do you feel lighter?
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:17 am
@ rajkumar
Still the misogynist troll that you ever were, raj-bigot!
John Morales:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:31 am
The rajkumar specimen imagines has really run out of tricks.
<idly pokes it with a stick>
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:33 am
Where is Janine, History’s Greatest Buffoon? Talking to her give me warm feelings. The air starts to smell like I was in a florist’s shop.
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:35 am
You better wipe that off your sheets before your mommy catches you at it again.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:35 am
The florist that only sells Carrion flowers…
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:41 am
No, I have been rehabilitated. It’s called The Pharyngula Redemption. Janine is Morgan Freeman. I am Tim Robbins.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:44 am
OK, gag reflex too strong now. Bye!
John Morales:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:49 am
rajkumar:
You are what Tim Robbins flushes down the lavatory after a bout of diarrhoea.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:54 am
Good imagination! Mine is not so good. I can’t imagine Tim Robbins in a lavatory — let alone imagine him in a lavatory after a bout of diarrhoea. LSD at work? Peyote?
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:54 am
TMFI. You are a really creepy little hoggling troll.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:56 am
The holy cactus…
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:59 am
Have your read PIHKAL, Johnnie?
John Morales:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:02 am
Specimen:
No imagination needed, O wretch.
(That was a true description of your essence)
Caine, fantôme élastique MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:04 am
Nepenthe:
I like you and of course I’m concerned when you’re not feeling so great. As for that stupid LOL cat video, you aren’t alone by a long shot. It didn’t read as funny in any way to me, and I agreed with your take on it all the way. What passes for humour a lot of the time simply leaves me cold.
As for shutting up, please don’t. At least not because you feel silly or anything. Shit, everyone here has days where things strike them wrong and it doesn’t stop anyone else from yakking about it. Anyway, I miss having you around, so at least say something every now and then. ♥
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:06 am
Yeah, well, you still need an imagination for this, given you don’t believe in angels whispering in your ears what other people are. Or, maybe you do, and angels do whisper in your ears, but only while the holy cactus is working its magic….
Caine, fantôme élastique MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:08 am
Misogyniraj, go stick your head in a Dionaea muscipula. Also, don’t use the word bitch, you misogynistic, sexist mali žohar.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:10 am
Oh sorry. My fault. Used it as a verb, not as a noun. chill out. You are still showing you care a lot.
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:10 am
@ John
The is getting really boring. But how do we remove said troll without a banhammer?
We could try ignoring it. (I have no doubt SIWOTI will step in and kill that initiative…)
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:15 am
John is really creative now. I am waiting for an answer too. But don’t wait too long. The holy cactus doesn’t last forever…
Caine, fantôme élastique MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:15 am
Theophontes:
Heh. I rarely respond to it at all, what good does that do? It drones on and on and on.
John Morales:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:19 am
Specimen:
<snicker>
(It actually laps it up when one shits on it)
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:23 am
Oh come on Johnnie. Every time you use the word ‘shit’, it just shows you are being highly creative. You have just precisely imagined Tim Robbins’ bowel movements after him going through a bout of diarrhoea. Can you get any more creative than that? How about Morgan Freeman’s bowel movements, size colour, frequency?
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 27th, 2012 at 4:40 am
I’m starting to really lose track of Rajkumar’s fucking point here. From what I can gather he appears to be some kind of religious guy?
The thing about Divine Tits proving god? Kinda sad and creepy all at the same time. I love boobs too (though find myself much more drawn to butts) but I don’t mistake them for a religious experience.
Do eight massive floppy nursing dog-tits prove the existence of Dog-Jesus?
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 5:02 am
This is most likely because, in your mind, you have a very clear definition of what a ‘religious experience’ should be like, even when you do not believe in religious experiences? What a paradox! Michelle the goddess, with her bouncing divine breasts, on a beach in Rio, wouldn’t you call this a religious experience? If not, why not?
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 27th, 2012 at 5:09 am
Why Not? Because they’re breasts. When I’m feeling frisky and if the person they’re attached to is feeling the same, they’re fun to play with, but otherwise I find them kind of mundane and easy to ignore. Half the human population has them, after all. And a very large portion of that half are getting sick of being defined by them.
They’re roundish lumps of fatty tissue, covered in skin, with a nipple on ‘em. Biological constructs. Fun biological constructs, because my genes as a heterosexual male primate make me find them fun, and useful for nursing (when they work properly, that is), but so what? It doesn’t make them divine or mystical.
If I were to believe in a goddess, why do you think it would be her ‘tits’ that I should worship, as opposed to say her mind or abilities? This says far more about you and your view of women than it does me.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 27th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Shorter me: A stiffie isn’t a sign from heaven, dude.
antigodless:
May 27th, 2012 at 5:24 am
That is the dumbest diagram I have seen since an artist tried to make an impression of a transitional being between an ape and a man. Both are hopelessly incorrect and laughable.
For starters, the man you portrayed in this cartoon – Jesus- first showed up to two women. They thought he looked quite normal, and would certainly have run from a ‘zombie’ image as you portray.
Secondly, there was no appearance of blood, because it was a RESURRECTED body, not a decomposing body. This Jesus appeared to twelve of his students several times after his initial encounter with the two women. He ate fish in front of them. He walked on a beach and did not scare any passer-bys with his ugly, decomposed look. Why? Because He was NOT a pale, decomposing, bleeding zombie. This Jesus even stated He was not a ghost, and indeed had a body and a skeletal system like those he appeared to.
I hate to say it ladies and gentlemen, but your image just reflects a subjective, unscientific artists impression which is totally unfounded. I would at least think a Science Lecturer, who has a position in a respectable university, would get his facts right before posting silly caricatures to an impressionable body of young university students.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Yeah well, you are probably not the right guy for this argument. I need someone like me. By the way, the point is, it is just not the mere shape and size and the colour of a breasts that turns on a man. Because if it true, then what are called ‘fake boobs’, would have the equal power to turn on a man. They don’t. On the contrary, most men find them a turn-off. If a female’s breast’s power to ‘turn on’ a man could be divided into 10 equal segments, and these segments could be numbered from 1 to 10, with 1 being the lowest point of power and 10 being the highest point of power, how would you rate the power of Michelle’s breasts as compared to … say, the power of Pamela Anderson’s breasts? I would rate them as: Michelle 10, Pam Anderson 1. Why? There’s lot to think here, I guess…
Because, for one thing, ‘tits’ are physical and can be seen by eyes, thus much easy to ‘evaluate’. Whereas the mind of a person is invisible, thus much harder to ‘evaluate’. I appreciate a woman’s mind too. But I, kind of, appreciate the whole package. Which is to say, I do not consider one thing to be superior to another in a woman. For me, each part has its own value.
Rumtopf:
May 27th, 2012 at 5:31 am
Aw come on, the best part was when Jesus got Thomas to stick his hands into the gaping wounds :D
Rumtopf:
May 27th, 2012 at 5:32 am
“Yeah well, you are probably not the right guy for this argument. I need someone like me.”
Hahahahaha.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 27th, 2012 at 5:48 am
You mean another religious guy who sees women (just the ‘attractive’ goddesses, I’m assuming) as “that thing what’s attached to the TIIIIIIIIIIITS”?
True, for many of us breasts are a just fun aside, you know, because we are attracted to the women we’re attracted to because of their personalities and who they are. Most of us. I’m guessing this is why I’m ‘probably not the right guy for this argument’.
Blatant jackassery. For a guy who considers boobs divine, I don’t really think you know a lot about them. What else can I say? Except
Again, this says a lot about your view of women. Forget the bone to ‘woman’s mind’ and ‘whole package’ you toss next in your paragraph, it’s unnecessary. Getting to know women as people is hard, so you’d rather put their boobs on a pedestal and act like the tightness in your pants is God speaking to you, and not biology plus some very creepy ideas about women.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 27th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Oh, Rajkumar, the fuckwitted idjit, recommended a YT for some inane insipidity. Raj, you recommending anything is considered a time waster for me, so I will ignore each and every recommendation you target me for. You are Heinlein’s fool who is asked, when you need to vote and don’t have time to form a proper opinion. Ask the fool, which is you Rajkumar, and then do the opposite is what you recommend. And you offer nothing of cogency, intellect, honesty, and integrity. So, like Heinlein recommends, the opposite is good. If you think Alan Watts is worthwhile, it means he isn’t. Welcome to reality, where you are the cesspool of thinking. And PZ has warned you to quit your present just trolling and actually discuss something intelligently and with evidence in his #4. Your banhammer is being warmed up for your insipidity, dishonesty, fuckwittery, and general stupidity.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 27th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Oh, and Rajkumar
Kinsey Institute
Masters and Johnson Book.
As usual the world is ahead of your inane and slow mind, and you need to learn how to read for comprehension. Now go wank on your own in private. Your asshattery bores us into a near-coma, and I have the Redhead’s laundry to do.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 27th, 2012 at 6:00 am
one more point that slipped my mind: Way to body shame, asshole. That shit isn’t much appreciated here. No one gives a fuck what turns you on, in fact the less we know about it the better as far as I’m concerned.
'Tis Himself:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:04 am
antigodless #60
How do you know Jebus looked normal? The gospels were written long after the events supposedly portrayed in them and the writers were not eye-witnesses. Instead, the writers had agendas they were pushing. Were they going to say “Jebus came out of the tomb looking semi-decomposed and muttering ‘brains! brains!’” even if that’s what happened?
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:06 am
OK. But one question: Why do you sound so serious? Do I sound serious to you? Not my mistake if I do. It’s your fault for taking that ‘divine breast argument’ seriously. No one gives a shit is the right expression. You are all clowns. Who gives a shit about having a proper argument with a bunch of buffoons?
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Chill out. relax. and note that your ‘gentlemanly’ attitude towards women is not going to win you a real woman. You’d still remain the king of mastrubators
'Tis Himself:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:12 am
In other words, you’re just trolling for lols. What an asshole you are.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:14 am
What do you expect. I am surrounded by professional trolls and ass holes and ‘doll-blowers’.
'Tis Himself:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:16 am
So the only way to “win a real woman” is to obsess about her breasts? Do you compliment “real women” about their tits and sneer at “unreal women” for having less then perfect breasts? Tell us, misogynist asshole, what’s the best way to talk to a “real woman” about her hooters?
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Why should I tell you? You are never going to need this skill anyway.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Yawn, clueless wonder is still clueless. Why he must be clueless in public is beyond the ken normal people, much less the intelligent folks who are regulars at this blog, and is why his banhammer is warming up…
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Yeah. I can sense that, too. Nothing else seems to be working. Which is why, I think I should be going now. But Nerd, I must say, you didn’t pick the bait as I had hoped you would. You, it turns out, are a tiny bit smarter than your army of clowns. Well done.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:23 am
The circus owner always wins…
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 27th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Because in your world, the only goal of respecting women as human beings is to ‘win’ them, you know, like prizes or trophies! Trophies you can fuck! Who have boobs!
I dunno, you tell me? You’re the one making creepy misogynistic statements and defending religion on pharyngula.
Ogvorbis:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Nah. Look at the timestamp ya idjit. This was a nightety!
KG:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:58 am
For starters, that depends on which gospel you pick, doesn’t it? In Matthew it’s Mary Magdalene and “the other Mary”. In Mark and John, it’s Mary Magdelene alone (and in Mark, the last 12 verses were clearly added later – the earliest manuscripts omit them and there’s an obvious break in the text, the original didn’t mention a post-mortem appearance of Jesus at all). In Luke, it’s Cleopas and another unnamed person. In Luke and John, the person or persons first seeing Jesus don’t initially recognise him – in the case of the gospel of Luke, not for a considerable time. The contradictions about who saw Jesus first are only one set of many: who first went to the tomb?, did they see one angel or two or none?, did those who went to the tomb immediately tell anyone else it was empty? Clearly, none of the gospels, which were written decades after the alleged events described, can possibly be trusted.
AshPlant:
May 27th, 2012 at 7:03 am
antigodless @60: Riiiiight, so your point is what?…Jokes are invalid when they contradict what happened in real life? I’ll let the definition of ‘real life’ slide for now, because merely thinking the Bible is true is mundane and ordinary, but objecting to Zombie Jesus jokes in such detail is new and bizarre and a whole other level of hilarious. Your last paragraph in particular threatened my bladder control. Who knew a cartoon could be such SRS BIZNESS?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 27th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Well, lets look at your facts. PZ is an Associate Professor, not a Lecturer. Mistake one. His CV is on the side bar. Second, you haven’t shown the inerrancy of the babble with solid and conclusive physical evidence, mistake two. You simply falsely presuppose it, just like the existence of your imaginary deity, the third mistake you make. If you can’t show the truth, with solid evidence not based on fallacious presuppositions, you can’t complain about others who don’t agree with your illogical mistakes.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 27th, 2012 at 7:32 am
I’m glad to see Nepenthe commenting.
opposablethumbs:
May 27th, 2012 at 7:42 am
fwiw ryanwilkinson, if you’re still around, the purely personal opinion of this total stranger on the internet is that you should/would do well to stick around and read here, probably without commenting, for a good long while. I’d bet that if you did there’s at least a chance you’d have a few lightbulb moments. Obviously if you or I or anyone comments bullshit you/I/they will continue to get your/my/their asses handed to you/me/them in a sling.
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And of course, as others have pointed out, there are a gazillion other atheist sites out there that take a different approach – the whole range of flavours is available; no need for Pharyngula to ape them just because some people prefer a different flavour. Also, Overton. Window.
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Personally I would take a site where I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that sexist and other discriminatory crap will always get called out over a site which is all High Minded Superficially Courteous (and actually silencing) Intellectual Discussion any moment of any day of any week.
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Oh, and antigodless? Hilarious. You actually thought you were making a point there? Beyond hilarious. (PS you know that bible thing you’re so fond of? People wrote it! Ordinary people with an agenda wrote a whole bunch of stuff years after the events they purport to describe, and made shit up. You really think a real bloke who actually once existed got executed in a bog-standard way but came back to life again afterwards? And you don’t get why that means we will roll our eyes and laugh at you?)
zmidponk:
May 27th, 2012 at 7:50 am
@ antigodless #60
You may have missed this, but the image on this thread is intended as a joke. We’re actually way ahead of you:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/04/08/an-easter-message/
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 8:26 am
@ ‘Tis & Rumtopf
Just to clarify your question, I’ll comment on:
This is exactly what happened to Hector. Upset at the desecration that Achilles planned for the cadaver of Hector, the gods preserved his corpse so that it was in perfect condition even after being dragged about behind a chariot. By comparison jeebus didn’t have much to complain of.
This was likely based on the story of Ulysses. People could not believe his return after nearly two decades of war and wandering. He had to show the scar on his knee where he had been gored by a wild boar. It was taken as a sign of his right to kingship.
Remember that these popular tales had over 800 years to spread around the Mediterranean. The jeebus myth is just poor, derivative fanfiction.
Usernames are stupid:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Seeing our boy talk about women’s breasts reminds me of that scene in “40 year old Virgin:
Ogvorbis:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:43 am
rajkumar the misogynist:
Could you please reconcile your observations about the male human’s reaction to female human’s breasts (and that reaction being proof of gods) and the large number of cultures in human history in which female humans going topless, or with breasts fully exposed in other ways, was normal? And, if you could point to some peer-reviewed literature supporting your assertion regarding the male human’s reaction to female human’s breasts that would also help.
KG:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:54 am
No, but then your never say anything that a person of any intelligence would say seriously. It’s all fuckwitted drivel.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@Nephy
Fuck you.
1) lesson is not relevent only to this place…it is human nature to defend an idea once publivally expressed. Its easy to get into a mental trap of defending the indefensible for egotistical reasons. It is a good lesson to learn that you can sit back and be humble enough to learn and admit you were wrong rather than arguing indefinitly trying to save face. Its a point of maturity not 1984 bullshit. It is liberating to be able to escape your own argument, its also honest. Coverup is more damning than the crime often. Best damage control is to take lumps rather than look like an idiot trying to “win”.
2) your an asshole for intentionally misreading that as hivemind bullshit. Context was clear you’re just trolling and seeking to shit on
someone.
3) I was talking about being actually honest and open to real discussion. As in actually trying to be right rather than just feel right
4) you’re an asshole…it bears repeating
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:28 am
What’s really creepy is that there’s apparfently no idea no matter how innocent or positive that assholes aren’t willing to twist and fuck over to tone troll.
pentatomid:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Jesus Babiroussa Christ, Rajkumar is getting more and more disgusting by the minute. Yikes.
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@ Ing
I give Nepenthe the benefit of the doubt. Any arguments against Nepenthe I regard as arguments against me.
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I read this as an admission of trolling.
Is that a bannable offense on TZT?
Are all normal rules suspended on TZT?
If so, can we have a vote?
Where are the jeans I was wearing yesterday?
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@ chigau
Technically you are the most powerful person on TZT (with the possible exception of teh poopyhead) as .
trolling is not technically a bannable offence on TZT. It is the one place where the trolls can have their say. The Pharyngulites can of course overcome their SIWOTI syndrome if they try hard enough. They can simply ignore trolls (haha, like this is EVAH! goin to happen).
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@theophontics
Well I wish they gave me the benefit of doubt. Sorry I took offense. I’m sure you aren’t trying to say that you’ll defend them against any jackassery or wrongness on their part out of tribalism. Because that would be creepy and ironic.
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Wait, I have a world saving problem according to Ryan and tits therefore god according to Rajiot?
Finally, something I can get behind!
Praise the lord and get out of my way whilst I make everything right!
I’m starting my revolutionary religious and world saving crusade in a strip club.* Hey, it’s the church of my new religion. DON’T YOU JUDGE ME!!!!!!!
Louis
* You may have to start saving the world without me. I could be a while. I have to save quite a few people. Repeatedly. Possibly by the new holy act of Buying Drinks and Looking at the Lady’s Eyes-No Really-Her Eyes-EYES DAMMIT. I may be moderately drunk when the actual revolution starts and may have forgotten the details. I will however love you and tell you you are my best friend before buying an oversized “trophy” kebab which I have no chance of actually eating but will wake up face down in come morning. You know my methods, people, apply them.
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@ Ing
If you ever need time out I would certainly do the same for you.(this is not out of disrespect for you)
I am a tribalist generally , but not in this case.
I am not likely going to take sides against tardigrades on behalf of teh hoomins.
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am
I found my pants!
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@theontics
My rant is vented so I’m done on topic. I hope nephy can actually figure out what I meant though because I think its useful.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Yawn
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@ theontics
Shit dude, your nym looks so familiar.
@ Rev
I feel SO obliged to be here.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Sorry on phone. Theophontes, we cool now?
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@ Ing
Of course. (It’s just that we need to be sensitive from time to time…)
Caine, fantôme élastique MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:46 am
SG:
♥
Theophontes:
♥ Same here.
Ing, I think if you had read a bit further before replying, you would have seen that Nepenthe is in a bad place right now and a lot of things are hitting her especially hard in a negative way. Some of us here know her and are glad to have her and her input. She’s most certainly not a troll, she has been a commenter here for a long while. She also apologized, so I think a ‘case closed’ can be stamped on it.
Caine, fantôme élastique MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Chigau:
Um…yay?
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@theophontes
Not obliged but checking in and seeing raj run roughshod over the thread with his obvious baiting and idiocy is tiring
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@ Rev
I hear you completely. But on the other hand we kinda agreed (well actually the inner party agreed) to give the trolls a lot of rope here, This is one experimental thread to see if we can maintain ourselves without teh poopyhead.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Yeah I know. I’m actually anti-ban hammer.
Raj is just so stupid he has no clue how stupid he is or comes off.
And he’s incredible tiring as the stupid person he is.
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am
theophontes
I think the Rev was yawning about my pants.
Ogvorbis:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Chigau:
But where is your towel?
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Yes wearing pants is extremely tiring
Ogvorbis:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Sorry. I’m just trying to imagine how hard it would be for Raj to present a peer-reviewed paper. That would be an interesting ‘peer’ group.
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
My towel was covering my pants on the back of the bedroom door.
That’s why I couldn’t find them.
Travis:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Yikes. I have often lamented that creationists and other idiots seem to be scared of commenting on Pharyngula the way they used to. I have been disappointed by the lack of chew toys. Now I see they have not actually gone anywhere, they just congregate in TZT. The high concentrations of stupid astound me.
Maybe I should pay attention to TZT and TET more often.
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@ Rev
I have not a clue how to get rid of the likes of raj. Ultimately we should just start to ignore teh stupid. (I think its an interesting experiment. How does a community hold the line without strong mechanisms. I don’t know. (But I’d like to know.)
@ chigau
I am quite sure your pants sure beat the hell out of whatever is happening on teh thread.
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
pants
Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I had a friend who was/is a well-known activist in certain circles. We were meeting with some folks at an after-conference party and she was relating this story about how everyone always thinks she’s so smart and together but at home all her boy-toy hears is, “Where’s my pants???”
Lost pants have never been the same to me after that.
Travis:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I suspect it will be difficult but that is just based on my recent experiences elsewhere when trying to get a group of users to hold the line.
I am a member of a group on social network that is that is devoted to letting photographers know others are using their works on their profiles so that they can decided whether to issue a DCMA request, or whatever they want to do. There are 650 members but probably only 30 are actually active. In the past people would often send the people using the photos messages, comment on the photos, sometimes nicely informing them they did not have permission and that it is against the terms of service, some being meaner. People mainly did this as the site admin did not take this issue very seriously and people were frustrated as they did not seem to honour their own terms of service, though I suspect some just enjoyed it. Anyway, the site rules changed and they finally started taking it seriously. Now anyone can report an image and the website staff will contact the copyright owners. The system works much better overall. There was a lot of discussion in the group about how we should go forward and it was decided that suspect profiles should simply be reported, no insults, and if you know where the images come from just report them an move on. No need to post about it in the group. Overall the goal was to keep the angry posts down as many people do not seem to like having the 3000+ photos they have stored on their profile taken down, even if they agreed not to post other people’s photos and get rather angry when this is pointed out. However, keeping people to this has been difficult. It seems no matter how many times some users have been told about the new procedures they cannot abide by it. And this is a small group, on a website with much more stringent rules about what can be said and how you can say it.
I do not think it would take many people ignoring the embargo to keep raj going. But hey, maybe I am wrong. I would not mind seeing this experiment in action.
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@ Crip Dyke
Don’t I know!
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Theophontes
IMO this should only be difficult when you have idiocy exhibitionists like Raj, who apparently gets off on publicly humiliating itself.
Unless PZ decides to occasionally flush the TZT, I think well have to wait for him to get bored and find greener pastures to troll. That’ll probably happen whether or not we ignore him, but it’d certainly be nicer if there were a quick way.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Wearing skirts, on the other hand…
It’s hot here. I’m wearing a skirt and a bikini top.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
…Oh yeah, I almost forgot–THEREFORE GOD!
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
But SallyStrange, are your breasts up to the standards of perfection that the creep uses to prove the existence of god? Not just any pair will do.
(I feel just a tiny bit more slimy for even snarking.)
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@ Janine
My are truly luscious – But raj is pretending so hard to be perfectly straight. I don’t think it will notice.
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I am instigating a rebellion here on TZT where PZ can never, ever see it. I have posted instructions here.
Let us be undaunted.
Louis
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
@ Louis
DSP: We are with you.
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Theophontes,
Thank you, comrade. Our righteous struggle will create a comment section that will last a thousand years.
Fight on.
Louis
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
It took The Squidhead 16 minutes.
(to comment)
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Chigau,
That is enough time. Give me a sufficiently large lever, somewhere to put it, and 16 minutes and I can emerge puffing and sweaty and slope of down the pub for a beer and a good hard skive.
Louis
theophontes 777:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@ chigau
Yes. This is exactly what we need. We can calculate he targets trajectory and intercept… Mwahahahahaha.
@ Louis
Nothing to worry about.
Amphiox:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The rajafapmore seems to think this somehow makes a difference with respect to its wretched misogyny.
How sickening.
Amphiox:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
WE go to the effort of giving the fapwit links as information and legitmate arguments. WE make the effort to try to explain to it why having such citations is important for honest discussion.
IT ignores our explanations, refuses to even acknowledge the links we give it, and drops links as some kind of sick joke, and when called out on it, pretends it is some kind of “clever” (another word the fapwit is incapable of properly defining) rhetorical trap.
Sickeningly pitiful intellectual dishonesty.
Fapfap.
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I just have a feeling that PZ knows everything that goes on here.
Amphiox:
May 27th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
IIRC, PZ said that the TZT would be an experiment. He never said that there would be absolutely no standards for the banhammer even here.
The current specimen will make an interesting test case.
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Chigau,
I think he knows much. if not all.
Louis
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
You recall correctly. He just says the thread will be unmonitored. Of course bannings would arguably necessitate some minimal amount of monitoring.
Interesting indeed. I guess we’ll see how vile Raj decides to be, and whether the dread overlord becomes curious about what is frothing around down here.
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Louis
Sometimes he feigns ignorance.
Ogvorbis:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Flush the toilet? Here, now. I must protest. Rajwhateverthefuckitis is far more toxic, annoying, and useless than anything I have ever flushed (or tried to flush (which includes (according to Sister) a Barbie Doll)))!
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Chigau,
Ah yes. He sees all, he knows all, but sometimes he pretends he does not see and know all. Cunning, cunning.
Louis
chigau (違う):
May 27th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
My tomatoes beckon.
Later, puddings.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
I’ve been told that my breasts are “amazing”, my “best feature,” (which is kinda rude, I think, but anyway) and “the platonic ideal of breasts.”
Therefore, if my breasts don’t measure up, then that’s proof that there is no god.
Simple, really.
ChasCPeterson:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Sally Strange’s tomatoes beckon.
ChasCPeterson:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
FUCK, was that out loud??!?
Ogvorbis:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Just read that as “plutonic ideal of breasts” and my first thought was, Isn’t that kinda intrusive?
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
My tomatoes beckon.
I’m just a spudboy, lookin’ for that REAL tomatoe.
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
SallyStrange,
Oh for fuck’s sake. Now you have placed us all in a terrible quandary. Do we ask for proof like good sceptics and rationalists and thus damn ourselves as sexists and objectifiers of (other) women? Or do we take your word for it, and therefore become no better than the goddists, but maintain our outward poise of calm and consideration in the face of members of the opposite/fair sex?
What to do, what to do.
Hmmm is getting you to describe them an adequate compromise?
Louis
P.S. I am not even remotely serious! SallyStrange, your BEWBZ are your own affair, and they would have to be spectacular to outweigh what I consider to be your best features: wit, insight, intellect, fearsome anti-idiocy stance and a fanatical devotion to the pope…I’ll come in again…
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
of course, I chose the wrong link.
here’s the real tomato
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Who gives a shit about having a proper argument with a bunch of buffoons?
truly well spoken by the dude who lives in his parent’s basement.
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Ichthyic,
I’ve arrived at the (possibly belated) opinion that a notable segment of the current AtBCer crop has jumped the shark, so like yourself, I’m gone.
Sad really, there’s some great people there who I really like, but I’m buggered if “I’m not interested in discussing this with you because I think you’re an arse on this issue” is quantum rocket surgery. It seems beyond a few of the whiny “anti-PZ/let’s still be sexist ‘cos it’s ace” crowd. Apparently an emphatic “no” confuses them, I didn’t realise posting here means TOTAL ENDORSEMENT, so *poof*.
And then there was one.
Louis
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Sad really, there’s some great people there who I really like
I felt the same way when I left.
but, those I cared about I found in other locales.
:)
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Ichthyic,
Oh?
Well, I have to say, while I read widely, I post very narrowly, it was, until recently AtBC and here really. The odd post in and around perhaps, but nothing more. If there’s a decent spot or two I’ve missed, and I have no doubt there is, let me know.
Louis
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I was referring to you, dolt!
:P
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
…but I’m still not giving up my place in the Brownian cue.
hope you understand.
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Ichthyic,
Oh balls. I made a stoopid!
Flattered, but stoopid!
Louis
P.S. And likewise.
Louis:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Ichthyic,
I understand completely. He’s far better looking. But I do do that think with my tongue.
Louis
mikel:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Proof of God?
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Mikel, you are an evil, evil person.
I approve.
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
ah, where is w00t with his boobies when you need him.
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
I was thinking the same thing. I have not seen woot in years.
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
For wOOt, wherever he is, a nice pair.
A. R:
May 27th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Hey TZT! Sorr I’ve been gone so long, but I had a wonderful experience with Strep compounded by serous otitis media that had me incapacitated for a few days. Could someone update me? Otherwise I have about 2,000 comments to read.
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Could someone update me?
sure thing:
if you’ve been gone less than 2 weeks…
Raj has posted more inanity.
We have a new player who wants to debate tone:
ryanwilkinson.
Abbie and PZ are at war, slimepit trolls have been summarily deep-fried here.
IndyM, pikčiurna:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Here are my favorite tits.
Ichthyic:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Nice rack!
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I’m seriously considering posting a picture of my tits. Cuz y’all are so fucking awesome.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
I mean, I probably won’t. But the funniness here has made me consider it. That’s how fucking awesome you are. Think on THAT for a bit.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Me too though I’m doubtful anyone wants to see mine. All that hair and all…
Though I have been working out. A lot.
….
…..
……
……..
………..
Wife says no. Sorry.
cm's changeable moniker:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Tits. Boobies.
Didn’t we do this already?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/08/29/marys-monday-metazoan-titillating-titles/
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Sorry Nephy, that you’re going through a rough time. HOpe things are better.
Reading was splotchy due to reading in between honeymoon fun stuff
On that note: cheap sunscreen==bad idea.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 27th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I just had Goldies (the ’97 Ford Probe) rack and pinion fixed…
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Okay, these are totally some some random chick’s tits that I found on the internet. Yup. *nodnod*
'Tis Himself:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
SallyStrange #172
Now you’ve done it. Rajmisogynist will be worshiping that picture for hours. It’ll take weeks to get the jizz stains out of the basement carpet.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
At least it’ll keep him busy for a while. And now we can all find out whether god really exists or not.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Sally, thought I would just drop by to give a quick review.
The red bra provides an excellent support to these breasts, because it adds to the power of breasts. However, the tattoo on the left breast nullifies that power rise given to the breasts by the red bra. Now, **the most important observation** that could be made about the pictures is, the lady appears to be a little shy about exposing the real power of her breasts. Which is to say, she is effectively covering those divine spots called nipples. Why? I have no idea. One reason pops in mind. Maybe she is an American, and most Americans would instantly classify a picture with bare breasts as belonging to the ‘porn’ category.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Your feeble attempts at resisting the power of the boobs are noted. If the bikini top were removed, the universe would implode from sheer amazingness. So thank your lucky stars that the lady in the picture is compassionate and kind and prefers that life continue rather than end.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Also, tattoo bigot? How quaint. What are you, 50 years old? (No offense to non-judgmental older folks)
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Sally, nice rack. I’m packing a rather stunning pair m’self. Tats? Pfffffffft, I’m a 50+ person with tats. :D
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Yeah good point. I guess it is the same principle at work behind why some Eastern honeys cover their faces with veils … lest the universe would implode from sheer amazingness. Not to mention the power of their well-hidden breasts….
35. I don’t mind tattoos. But, I guess, human bodies just look more (naturally) beautiful without them. At least, to me they do.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Ah, but it’s well-established that you’re one of the more stupid people ever to roam the surface of this planet, so who the fuck cares, you fucking disgusting misogynist fapwit?
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
I don’t doubt it. :D
One of my favorite tattoos was on a lady who was 60+. She was working as a nurse in the college infirmary. It was a turtle tattoo on her neck, and when I complimented her on it, she explained that she had decided to get a tattoo to celebrate her birthday every ten years, starting when she was 10. So she had three. She’s a Native too, like you. She was really cool. Wonder if she still works there.
Have I mentioned my plans for a shoulder tattoo? It’ll be of the Earth from space. Just gotta save some moneyz…
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Whoa, I typed “10″ when I meant to type “40.” Starting when she was 40.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I don’t know who the fuck cares, and neither do I care even the least bit about who cares and who do not. Least of all, YOU.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
And your ‘random’ picture…
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Did you ever manage to work out what the phrase “peer review” denotes among real people, Raj?
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Do you even know how many times you have fallen victim to the pranks during your conversations with me? Come on, give me a number. Hint. its 10+
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
@ Raj
Lol y u mad?
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Sally, me guess is, you are hungry for sex and not getting enough of it. You can bitch at me for this, but it’s really not my fault, really.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Now, I’ll be a good lurker and see the emotional tide that is to come.
Bye
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Learn a new tune.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
so stupid
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 27th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
LOL
Dude, you mean all the times you were trolling? Look, I don’t have time to try to figure out if you’re sincerely stupid or just pretending to be stupid. Even if you’re pretending to be stupid, you’re still stupid, because only a stupid person would think that pretending to be dumber than he is is a worthwhile pasttime. I mean, what–you’re like, “HA HA! I didn’t really MEAN all those stupid things I said! Gotcha!” So what? They were still mind-bogglingly asinine. I take people at their word. If you prefer to lie about what you really think then that’s your problem.
As far as being hungry for sex, well, I am, most of the time. And? It’s what happens when you have a strong libido.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Therefore mermaids
Amphiox:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
The number is zero. The rajafapmore’s pitifully transparent attempts at intellectual dishonesty, which it in its ethical bankruptcy calls “pranks” were all obvious from the start.
The fapwit thinks that an intellectually HONEST response to fapwittery count as “falling” for a “prank”, because it, in its ethical depravity, cannot comprehend what the word “honesty” means.
Pathetic scumbag.
Fapfapfap.
Amphiox:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
More misogyny, this time seasoned with bigotry.
Odious.
Pitiful.
Amphiox:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Every time the fapwit THINKS it is pulling of a ‘gotcha’ moment for one of its ‘pranks’, it doesn’t realize that everyone can and has already anticipated its response well in advance, and all it is doing is exposing yet more of its stupidity, dishonesty, absence of character, and lack of basic human decency for everyone to see.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Very true. But you are not taking into account the intense mood swings that follow when cravings resulting from that strong libido are not satisfied. We have all just witnessed such a mood swing, I guess.
Anyways, good job getting back into your human skin so quickly. You sound normal again, and quite pleasant.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
well, a lot of people would disagree. The moment I was moved into this thread, I had switched into the prank mode. This is what I thought the freedom of moving into thread meant. Treat the monkeys like that deserve to be treated — like giant clueless baboons.
rajkumar:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
they … NOT that
anteprepro:
May 27th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Some driveby Christer upthread:
Becuz wimmenz is such fraidy cats, right?
You are apparently not educated much in zombie lore. Unfamiliar with the vast number of works on the subject. Perhaps you should read World War Z or the various internet resources regarding zombie survival and the various mechanisms for zombie apocalypses before spouting off and showing your ignorance of the matter here. Dismissing the works of the various scholars of zombification and undeath means that we can only dismiss your claims with as much ease and as little rigor. Educate yourself on these serious, intellectual matters before cavalierly dismissing them like pompous, unlearned boor.
(Zombies can look and act very human before they have completely turned.)
John 20: 20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD…
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith He to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Fish have brains and flesh to eat, ya know.
It takes about three days to start with the real, serious decomposition, and Jesus was only in his tomb for a day and a half. And it doesn’t start looking horribly decayed until about ten days after death.
Also, interesting note, the beach scene takes place in the chapter of John immediately after the Doubting Thomas wound-fisting scene that you were apparently unaware of. And it has the disciples not recognizing poor ol’ Jesus at first. He apparently looked a little un-Jesus-like at the time. Corpse bloat’ll do that to ya.
Stated by the critter who started his post alluding to the fact that he trusts a literal interpretation of thousand year old phantasmagorical poetry over the interpretation of objective evidence by modern day science. You managed to fail to rebut an obvious joke while showing that you are also a hypocrite. All in the space of a few paragraphs. Good job!
Side note: holy shit raj is one boring, yet awful, little troll.
Too bad raj can’t say the same of himself. He’s been fumbling with his human skin for so long that each one of us could point out the exact panel where the faulty wiring is.
Yes, it was all part of your master plan. Not understanding the meaning of peer review was the best practical joke I’ve ever seen. We’re totally buying it, dood.
chigau (違う):
May 28th, 2012 at 12:01 am
rajkumar
Say something interesting or I’m going to bed.
chigau (違う):
May 28th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Times UP.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:11 am
The moment I was moved into this thread, I had switched into the prank mode.
strangely, it’s impossible to tell your “pranks” from your “serious” posts.
you’re a perfect poe of yourself.
fapwit.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:13 am
…btw, if fapwit is serious about everything he posted in this thread being trolls, then he of course still has to explain how he got confined here to begin with….
stupid is as stupid does.
fucking fapwit.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:14 am
I didn’t think you would buy it. But that hardly matters. Nothing matters actually. No one is going to send these threads to anyone to claim any prize. Maybe treat this whole Zombie threads episode as some joy ride. Pure fun. When Myers moved me here, I thought, that my moving here meant that I was free to write and do anything I liked. And plus, I was under the impression that all of you guys were having fun, too, by being funny and humorous!
Not saying it was just me who had the fun. Did anyone before me ever gave you guys so many opportunities and so much space to vent your rage and hatred? I don’t think so. All of you must be feeling at least 20 kilos lighter. No need to thank.
By the way, there was no master plan. All was and still is spontaneous and instinctual.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Very true. But you are not taking into account the intense mood swings that follow when cravings resulting from that strong libido are not satisfied.
what you know of psychology and human sexuality, living in your parent’s basement as you obviously are, wouldn’t fill a fucking thimble.
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:15 am
We knew this from the beginning, fapwit.
We continued to respond to your pitiful provocations because THAT IS WHAT INTELLECTUALLY HONEST PEOPLE DO. Naturally you, who have no concept of what being honest actually means, could not comprehend this.
And with each and every subsequent post you fapped out, thinking it a “prank”, you exposed more of your own stupidity, dishonesty, hatefulness, and vile lack of anything resembling any shred of human character, integrity, or decency.
And you’re still doing it.
So keep on proving my point for me, fapwit.
Fapfapfap.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:15 am
OK. Now I may leave.
Even if he is warming up his ban hammer, as Nerd thinks, I still thank Professor Myers for letting me speak here at will… It was a great gesture on his part.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Nothing matters actually.
suicide is painless, it brings on many changes…
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Yes, and in doing so you exposed for all to see the kind of dishonest, unethical idiot that you actually are.
It actually doesn’t matter if you think you were “pranking”, or if you were serious.
Because EITHER case say EXACTLY THE SAME THING about your character, or pitiful lack thereof.
Nothing is more revealing that what someone does when he thinks he is completely free.
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:25 am
Don’t flatter yourself, you arrogant buffoon.
You are just one in a long line of cookie cutter liars, haters, and idiots. Not a single thing you did or said here was in any way original, in any way not instantly recognizable as just another one of the standard troll tricks that previous trolls have already tried.
Your kind of petty, banal stupidity and evil is the most mundane and boring sort of all.
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:26 am
#60:
Whoa.
Hold up.
Stop the presses.
FACTS?
Did I miss an inter FTB memo, a CNN news special or something? I mean the revelation that there are facts to support the Bible would be monumental. Even more astounding, if I interpreted that post correctly, there appears to be documented, incontrovertible proof of what Jesus looked like. I wonder how that could happen, given that the guy lived so long ago, and we have no reliable eyewitness documentation. This could change the world. Or at least a lot of churches and chapels around the planet if Jesus isn’t white…
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:27 am
We knew from the very beginning that you lacked the mental capacity to come up with any such thing.
Which makes it all the more revealing of just how pathetic an excuse for a human being you actually are.
Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:29 am
Ahh, I see, so you really don’t actually use your brain for any of this. I think folks that boring troll is boring and it will make it a lot easier to catch up on TZT with silly, boring raj in the killfile.
You can fap a reply if you want raj, but since I won’t be seeing it, it will be like masturbation. Which will be nothing new to you.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:30 am
The tl;dr version = ‘I’m too dumb to live.’
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Sally:
Oooh, I approve. My turtle tattoo is on my right wrist. I get compliments on it all the time. Eventually, I’d like different turtles all the way up my arm. Turtles all the way down and all that. After reading Science Ink, though, there’s a whole batch of science related tats I’d love to have done.
Lyn M:
Pity it’s not dumb enough to stop breathing.
ibyea:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:40 am
@rajkumar
Err, why would anyone think you had a master plan? It seemed like your usual idiotic trolling.
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:41 am
Ogborvis:
Ok, I haven’t been following this. Do I even *want* to know these observations? Or is that dark and scary territory?
Does rajkumar think that the arousal *some* human males have to women’s breasts = god?
If so, I wonder what that means for gay men that don’t have a reaction to women’s breasts (I’ve certainly never been aroused by them). Or, for that matter, the gay men that have the *opposite* reaction to women’s breasts. I would think the lack of a reaction from the penis of a gay man would just as likely be proof that god *doesn’t* exist. Can’t the poor argument go either way?
What about those who are blind or have difficulty seeing?
What about men with erectile problems?
What about men that don’t get aroused by breasts, but *are* heterosexual?
And is the reaction dependent on sight?
Do tactile sensations bring about a reaction?
Is it a combination of the two?
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:45 am
I’ve spent two days ripping my studio apart, rearranging and cleaning. The rats, not happy. At all.
The Rat Report: Chas was out and about today, laying pee trails and Rubin Plinge* and Esme were spotted. After being talked to, soothed and bribed with chocolate Ensure, tea, peanut butter, nutella, fresh salad and fresh crunchies, they allowed me to show them the Special Spots™ I made for them (one super sekrit hiding nest to stash stolen goods, a ladder, specifically not cleaned leading up to a couple of my worktables, etc.), they are now running about wreaking havoc and general mischievousness.
*Rubin is now Rubin Plinge, having a fair amount in common with Walter Plinge**. Much like Walter, during ‘daylight’ hours (read: when the lights are on and I’m busy in the studio), Rubin is spooky, stilted and shy. However, when the lights are out (or low), he becomes The Phantom of the Studio, The Dark Scamperer™!
**A character in the Discworld novel Maskerade.
X-posted on TET.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:47 am
@ Caine
When you consider that stuff in the bottom of stagnant ponds still manages to live, it suggests it isn’t likely. Damn it.
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:49 am
theophontes:
Ah, I was a little confused by TZT vs the Endless Thread. I had thought they served the same function, but I see this is where PZ keeps the trolls. Do Myers’ Mindless Minions* feed them regularly? Would hate to come in one day and they’re all shriveled up.
*MMM is a joke for those that can’t figure it out. The idea that Pharyngulites are mindless drones that follow PZ’s orders is stupid.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:54 am
You have hit the nail right on the head.
Let me give you an example: You have a turbo-charged AMG and you are driving leisurely on a free way, but an annoying dude in his new **Suzuki Sports**, the one which he got from his dad on his 18th birthday, keeps challenging you into a race. You accept the challenge … but do you need to turn on the turbochargers on your AMG for that dude’s Suzuki? No. All you have to do is, gently push the accelerator about 1/2 cm every time that annoying dude gets close to you and thinks he is about the win the race. Give him some lead and then wait for him to get close to you again. Keep doing this until he is able to discern the difference between a turbo-charged AMG and a Suzuki Sports.
Same principle here.
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:02 am
Yes, please.
Can someone throw the gay men a bone?
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:06 am
= Still too dumb to live, and proud of it.
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:10 am
I need help here. I guess I’m a little too high right now, but I can’t comprehend the fapwit’s post @222.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:18 am
Maybe ask John Morales for a little help, provided he has finished visualizing what comes out of Tim Robbins’ backside when he goes through a bout of diarrhoea.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:19 am
John Morales never did tell me about Morgan Freeman though.
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:26 am
How very clever of you. You were clearly only pretending to have no idea what you were talking about*. Tell me again raj, what is peer review? Who should be “reading the reviews”? You are so damn clever you kill me…
*see number 1 and also number 6
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:29 am
No, me not clever. It’s you people who are super dumb.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:31 am
And this is what kills you, maybe.
ibyea:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:37 am
@Tony
If I am right, and I don’t know if I am right, since his writing sucks so much, it is him pretty much being smug. He thinks he is edging out on everyone in some imaginary race in his mind. Poor deluded soul.
ibyea:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:40 am
@rajkumar
So we are the dumb one when you can’t even bother to answer his question or read anyone’s links? My irony meter just shorted, man.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:45 am
Well, maybe your ‘stupidity meter’ still has plenty of muscle left to it if you are still wondering about these things. What’s the reading on it?
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:46 am
@ Hurinomyces bruxellensis
Awesome link. Close to a bingo card for fapsters.
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:47 am
From the link…
[...]
Keep going with the twigs Raj. No one here is confused about what you are trying to do. Its pretty sad really.
anteprepro:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:47 am
That’s aside the point, ibyea. We are dumb for taking him seriously. He is smart because he “fooled” us into believing he is dumb based on dumb comments he is retroactively claiming were dumb on purpose. Not reading links and not answering questions was all part of his fun and games routine of pretending to be an idiot. Which he clearly isn’t. Obviously, he wouldn’t have been confined to the Zombie Thread in the first place if he was an idiot when he was posting seriously (oh, wait…).
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:48 am
Sorry, fapping fapper, you broke it.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:50 am
Question:
Which is worse? An idiot or a faux idiot idiot?
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:54 am
@ Lyn M
Glad you enjoyed it.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:56 am
I am not saying I am smart or clever. I am just saying that you people are super dumb, you have to be, for taking me seriously after I was moved to Zombie Thread. All you have to say is you never took me seriously, too, and we are even. Or, whatever positions you may want to hold.
Well, I think I should be going now … this time it is me who is getting bored to death. If only I could share John’s Morales visuals with him…
Keep asking more questions… and I may even keep replying for as long as possible.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:59 am
@ Hurinomyces bruxellensis
Guy, totally ripped it and have it forwarded to half my friends. Very funny and right on the money.
mikmik:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:00 am
As your vehicle choice indicates, raj, you mistake noise for intelligence, you mistake flash for substance, attention for admiration:
The need for attention
Human beings are social creatures and need social interaction, feedback, and validation of their worth. The emotionally mature person doesn’t need to go hunting for these; they gain it naturally from their daily life, especially from their work and from stable relationships. Daniel Goleman calls emotional maturity emotional intelligence, or EQ; he believes, and I agree, that EQ is a much better indicator of a person’s character and value than intelligence quotient, or IQ.
The emotionally immature person, however, has low levels of self-esteem and self-confidence and consequently feels insecure; to counter these feelings of insecurity they will spend a large proportion of their lives creating situations in which they become the centre of attention. It may be that the need for attention is inversely proportional to emotional maturity, therefore anyone indulging in attention-seeking behaviours is telling you how emotionally immature they are.
Attention-seeking behaviour is surprisingly common. Being the centre of attention alleviates feelings of insecurity and inadequacy but the relief is temporary as the underlying problem remains unaddressed: low self-confidence and low self-esteem, and consequent low levels of self-worth and self-love. In males, it is often a compensation for an underdeveloped phallus.
The three biggest lies: The cheque’s in the mail; I love you: I did that on purpose.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:01 am
Stale bagel to a chilled bottle of vintage Veuve Clicquot that Mr. Fappy does not stick the flounce.
Takers?
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:02 am
Again:
You are an idiot, and your shitty ‘just kidding’ routine doesn’t fool anyone.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:12 am
No, not ‘just kidding’. It was more like countering your buffoonish acts with very sophisticated counter-buffoonery. You call that ‘just kidding’????
Tell me, at what point, you or anyone in your herd, tried to sound or act serious or reasonable? Do you think I can’t pick humour when I see it? Note again, no one is trying to ‘win’ here. As far as I am concerned, all of you put get efforts in being the excellent clowns that you were/are, and that takes great courage, strength and energy.
mikmik:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:19 am
Oops, guess I should link my plagiarisms! Attention-seeking personality disorders,
victim syndrome, insecurity and centre of attention behaviour
Here’s a visual as you depress the accelerator another half inch, Mr Andretti
TZT. The spikebelt on the freeway to stupidity.
mikmik:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:22 am
[SIK uh funt] Yes, I had to look this word up:
A servile flatterer; to flatter or attend to with servility from interested motives; to play the servile dependant; to pay deference from interested motives; servile dependant or parasite; one who flatters or kisses up to others to gain their favor; yes-men; boot-licker; fawner; groveler; toady; flunky; parasite; and a few more definitions not suitable for general publication.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:25 am
Um, no. No, he wasn’t. That would be you in your previous posts.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:25 am
Sorry, comments, not posts.
theophontes 777:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:32 am
{enter theophontes, stage left. sees louis‘s tire-marked hat}
*sniff* :’(
{a wave of guilt flows over the ebil tardigrade for trying to throw louis under a short bus.}
o_O
.
O_o
.
{surreptitiously throws hat into a nearby bin}
*whistles*
….
@ Tony
Welcome to TZT.
TZT is a deserted, post apocalyptic wasteland compared to TET. (It just needs a little inward investment and we’ll have it right in no time.)
Aquaria:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:44 am
You know, most of us caught on to the Pee Wee Herman “I meant to do that” lame excuse in, oh, second grade. That’s why a comedian who made a name for himself playing an overgrown 8 year old boy made it a tag line–because only an 8 year old would think it would fly.
Alethea H. Claw:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:50 am
OMG, the Cracked link! I want to change my name to “Crocoduck Dundee” now.
Alethea H. Claw:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:51 am
Or cocktopus. Cocktopus is good.
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:02 am
“Cocktopus” sounds like the name of a creature that gets first billing in an Asylum movie…
I likes it!
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:05 am
*TWIRLS*
How do you like my new look?
anteprepro:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:22 am
You know, I am a nice person. Because I by this argument so completely, I decided to thoroughly document just how obviously great of a commenter before you decided to slack off and become a hilarious prankster in the TZT. Just to make it clear to everyone here that they were suckers for believing that you could ever be stupid enough to argue the way you have here. I mean, seriously, how could they be so Super Dumb? You were obviously acting completely out of character with what we already seen from you.
Anyway, behold: Rajkumar’s incredibly serious wit and wisdom, outside of TZT :
On Scholasticism:
On science being so open-minded its brain fell out:
On being a rebel:
On “Just Leave Me Alone!”:
On “That’s Just, Like, Your Opinion, Man”:
On “Sure, Christianity’s stupid, but how ’bout the beliefs of other religions I will not specify anything about?”:
On Sophisticated Theology/Binary Thinking:
On Transcendence (i.e. Getting High)
On Neuroscience, and Its Subservience to MAGIC:
On “Bravely Accepting the Truth, Wherever You Find It”:
On Self (i.e. Wankery):
On “I’m Totally Not Misogynistic, You Guys”:
On “Pay No Attention to the People Who Actually Believe This Shit Behind the Curtain”:
On Entries from The Rajiam-Kumster Dictionary:
On Sexual Thrills:
AND MOAR :
On Mutually Exclusive Belief Systems:
On
CdesIntelligence Advocacynentism:On Intelligent Falling:
On Definitions, And Like Coming from Like:
On Informed Discussion and Evolving Evolutions:
There is such a profound and stark difference between the clowning around of Rajkumar in the TZT and the enlightened, intellectual arguments he made before he was locked in here. Yep. He sure got all of us. He’s not a moron, at all .
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:24 am
I AM BACK! Your attempt to throw me under the bus, Theophontes, failed. Mwah ha ha!
Some Things:
1) Lyn M: Someone trying to be an idiot is worse than an idiot. Everyone in the world is an idiot from time to time, there’s no need to make effort. We are adequately supplied! Also, no bet! But good choice of champagne.
2) Raj is fucking with us? I am shocked. Shocked I tell you. It’s almost like I was taking him seriously. Oh wait. Nope, don’t think I ever did! Woot! Anyway, I’m actually glad Raj has been fucking with us. Yup you read that right, I’m pleased. Good on you Raj. After all it would be a terrible shame for you to derive no pleasure from all that public masturbation.
3) There is no third thing. Look away. DON’T LOOK AT ME!!!!!
4) Tony at #223, fed up of boobies and tits, begs us to throw him a bone. Tony, no problem. Here is a picture of my massive cock. It’s mostly pink with a little bit of blue and purple on its head. Hope this helps.
5) Lastly, Raj, whilst I am positively priapic with glee that you are gaining some pleasure here, just remember if you play with it too much, you can go blind.
Good day all.
{Doffs cap}
Louis
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:25 am
Alethea,
NICE! I am a big fan of {ahem} “transitional forms” if you catch my drift.
Louis
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:31 am
Sally Strange, #172,
I have examined that photo for the last twelve or so hours and I can tell you that I have one conclusion:
1) Keep the bra on. Global destruction is very likely should the Uber Breastseses of Destruction be freed. Think of the children, why won’t someone PLEASE think of the children.
2) Nice tattoo, I am something of a fan of tattoos in general. I have a couple, but I am a big wuss, they are well hidden to allow me to pass as One of the Normal Folks. I know, I’m a coward.
3) I fear you have set a terrible precedent. Will there now be an elite cadre of Horde members who have the bravery to show off parts of
themselvestotally random people off the web? It’s a high bar to set, and I look forward to the results.Louis
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:36 am
Louis, glad you like the nym. I think your cock is indeed very handsome, but it is surely more brown than pink.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:40 am
You haven’t posted all of my comments. Only select bits and pieces from and there. Post them all complete with date, time and proper context, to validate your point.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:41 am
from here and there…
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:42 am
I can easily say, ‘you have taken my comments out of context’.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:43 am
Which you have, as a matter of fact. But Jeez, you must be a paralegal.
anteprepro:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:46 am
Make me, Mr. Jingles. Seltzer and coconut cream pies don’t work on me!
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:48 am
Apparently it does. Why else would you indulge is useless and energy-draining ventures, such as your last comment?
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:49 am
in
anteprepro:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:49 am
Yes, you could easily say that. If it were actually true, you could prove it. But that’s never stopped a moron like yourself from whining “out of context” before. It is the last ditch effort for the person who has got nowhere to run. I mean, aside from conjuring up the spirit of Krusty the Klown:
“It’s a joke ! Whenever you look at me like that, it’s a joke!”
anteprepro:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:51 am
Reading and using cut and paste is hard labor for you, I’m sure. It’s not so hard for those of us who are “super dumb,” however. Make the honking noise!
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:51 am
Yes. I have nowhere to hide. And this is precisely why all of you have been constantly threatening me with the ban hammer, and asking me to leave.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:52 am
Alethea,
True, true. Especially in my mixed race case! TMI?
I was however, alluding to the (NSFW) song by Ivor Biggun I linked.
Louis
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:53 am
Ok. Not all you. But MANY of you. Were you one of them who wanted me to leave and threatened me with the ban hammer?
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:54 am
By the way, I am still here. Not trying to hide. But MANY of are still using the same old tricks i.e., the ban hammer, ignore me, blah blah
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:55 am
MANY of you
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:57 am
Well?
anteprepro:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:57 am
I am pretty sure there aren’t many of me, no. I may not have threatened you with the ban hammer, but I would greatly prefer it if you were a mime.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:59 am
Raj,
Have I threatened you with the banhammer and/or asked you to leave?
If not, could you please be a little more careful with your “alls”. I fear that I am not alone.
Whilst many here, myself included, are united on the issue of the fact that you are a rather dull and boring troll who is not quite as amusing or smart as he appears to think he is, but on other issues, we’re pretty diverse. Some of us even disagree with PZ about stuff! Shocking I know.
I think you need a new schtick. Seriously, why waste the effort of hanging around here regurgitating the old material, come on, man! You can do better than that. Try harder.
Louis
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:01 am
In that case, ‘I have no where to run’ doesn’t apply to me, because it’s you who wants me to stop talking — if this is what you mean by being a ‘mime’. Correct?
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:04 am
Louise, I really have no idea. Imagine being in my spot. One man versus a herd of wild four-legged beasts, and you’d really be able to appreciate my situation. I can’t tell. I was, still am, talking to many of you.
But I did change ‘ALL’ to ‘MANY’ in comment 272…
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:07 am
OK. I lied about shifting myself into the ‘prank mode’. Not a total lie, because it was really a on/off thing.
But that last one about ‘divine breasts’, I had no idea some of would take that seriously.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:07 am
some of you
anteprepro:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:08 am
I want you to stop talking for the same reason I would want children to stop yelling, an inane talk show to get over, or a horrible band to stop playing. To spare myself the pain of hearing that shit. You being too stupid to reason yourself out of a paper bag is completely consistent with you being a noisy nuisance. A poor source for entertainment. Insufficiently squeaky. Refuses to make honking noise and relies entirely on doing impressions of smarter people. Booooooring. Mom should’ve hired Bozo instead.
Also: I demand balloon animals.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:10 am
Further adventures in makes-no-sense-and-is-proud-of-it land
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:12 am
OK. First thing, employ some originality. You are repeating the same stuff many of you have repeated already — many times. Second, and more importantly, whatever your reasons are, don’t say ‘I have no where to run’, because it is you who wants to get rid of me, not vice versa. I am still here.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:12 am
Louis, yes, it is a nice champagne. Murder to get here in sunny China, but I do manage.
Funnels some through a USB port
There you go!
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:17 am
I am crushed, simply crushed that I have to leave for awhile. Good luck all super dummies.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:21 am
Lyn M,
{Receives USB Veuve Cliquot}
MMMM thanks. Good way to start the day. China? I envy you! I am mad about many things Chinese! I’d be on the rice wine like a beast!
{Emails Lyn a case of Veuve Cliquot “Grand Dame”, my favourite}
Louis
anteprepro:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:26 am
Iiiiiiiirony. Maybe you still got some comedic appeal after all.
Well, I’m glad you don’t want to get rid of me. That’s a poor way to run a business. We paid you for the hour, afterall, and you’re the one getting money for hanging around, not me. But, seriously, this is getting dull. Can you at least do a card trick or something? I’m beginning to think that we hired Pagliacci for a birthday party, and I am disappoint. Though, I suppose it could be worse. You could be a Juggalo. *shudder*
Anyway, unlike a certain comedic genius who will remain nameless, I can actually stick a flounce. Ta ta. Don’t get too frothy there, BoJangles.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:28 am
Raj,
You did change “all” to “many” as I was posting. Well done you, here, have a biscuit.
The “Raj vs the world” act, old. New schtick, please. You came to a rationalist website, made some outlandish claims, provided no evidence and little reasoning and you are SURPRISED people leapt on you and gave you a verbal arse whooping?
Your butthurt: get over it.
Do dry up, old fruit. You never know, you might actually have a pleasant conversation here if you can attempt to learn something rather than “HURP DURP I WUZ ONLI JOHKIN” after a tirade of what appears to be marijuana inspired ramblings about “whoa the universe is all one, man, it’s aliiiiive”.
Dude, many of us have been there. We’ve taken the drugs, communicated with the great one vibration of the universe, felt at one with everything, looked at our hand and I mean really looked at our hand, and then we’ve come down and realised that five dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms was probably a bit much after two days in an Amsterdam “coffee” shop solidly smoking the best White Widow money can buy.
We’ve also realised that the majority of what went on in our heads whilst unbearably whooped was utter bullshit. It’s okay, it didn’t make the next time any less fun!
Louis
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:33 am
I totally agree, Louis! This is also why I hate so-called “devil’s advocates”–as if there were a shortage of devils in the world. Do you really want to advocate for them? It’s not as bad if they announce it beforehand, for educational purposes, but still.
And really, what does a person get from a pretense of stupidity. Umm, congratulations, you tricked people into thinking you’re stupid. The big reveal–haha! I’m not as stupid as you thought I was! Okay, champ. You got everyone real good. Now what? Are we supposed to fall down in awe at the amazing feat of mimicking stupidity? That’s actually not super difficult to accomplish. That’s why it’s called stupidity.
Of course in Raj’s case, “mimicking stupidity” is impossible to distinguish from him just being himself, as Anteprepro demonstrated, so it’s a moot point for him.
Yes, it seems entirely beyond you, the idea that someone would take anything you say seriously. Thing is, when people take what you say seriously, you have to think about it, what it means, why you said it, whether you really believe what you said, etc. This is what responsible, intellectually honest people do as a matter of course. That it surprises you is indicative of your failure. Failure of imagination, failure of critical thinking, and failure of basic decency.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:13 am
Seriously, I don’t understand the point (if there is a point) that you are trying to make here. That you are a avid drug user, and you know a lot about drugs? What does that prove? That you know how to control your behaviour, and direct your mind, while you are tripping on drugs like LSD or Magic Mushrooms? One question: What usually happens when you take a strong hallucinogen? As in, do you control the drug for the most part, or the drug controls you for the most part of the trip?
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:23 am
Surprises me to see the above advice coming from someone who loves using colourful profanity and foul language from time to time. Someone talked about Basic Decency? For starters, basic decency requires you to use decent language.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:26 am
This is what I mean. Shake your arm, then use your form, and show some originality. You are…
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Raj,
The point was none of that. The point was even when “serious” your posts come across as those of someone who has taken their trip a little too seriously. I was, and try to grasp this, mocking you. You are, after all, eminently mockable.
Learn to handle your high.
Louis
P.S. Oh and basic decency doesn’t start with decent language, it starts with honesty and treating the other interlocutors seriously. Language follows from that. Guess where you fail, Raj?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:34 am
Yawn, fuckwitted Rajkumar still being a fuckwitted idjit? Rajkumar, you were never smarter than us, and never fooled anybody here one iota. We presented your foolishness and dishonesty to the world. You lost due to terminal stupidity, insipid and unevidenced ideas, and inability to see that you were in over your head. We and the world laughed AT YOU. And we still do with every stupid post you make, which is all of them.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:36 am
This is you pretending to be stupid again, right?
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:39 am
Glad you explained. However, your explanation is impossible to grasp, because I saw no such thing in your last post. All I saw was you doing some childish boasting about your illegal drug activities. That’s all. Now, possibly, trying to change the subject.
Probably when we learn to communicate with people telepathically, your strange explanation of ‘basic decency’ would start to make sense.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:41 am
If someone who tells you to use ‘decent language’ translates into stupidity in your mind, then yes.
FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads):
May 28th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Ah Raj, here’s hoping you never stick the flounce. Your entertainment value is beyond compare. Others might be bored with you, but so long as you provides the kind of LOLs like the following I’ll continue to have a soft spot for you:
The complete fapwitted lack of self awareness that it took to write that had me wiping the tears out of my eyes.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:49 am
OK. But don’t tell me you didn’t masturbate to Michelle’s heavenly breasts? Do you know it’s quite a task to find bare breasts on Youtube, let alone such heavenly bare breasts?
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:51 am
And Nerd, did you see the Alan Watts video I linked at the start of this thread, just for you?
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:52 am
Oooooo, an admission.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:58 am
Raj,
LOL! Keep dancing!
Louis
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:00 am
No Louise, on the contrary, I am really tired now. So, I must go.
Nerd, you asked for a link. I gave you one. Probably Alan Watts is far beyond your comprehension at the moment, but if he is, which seems likely, then just keep watching his many videos that are available on Youtube. Slowly, very slowly, you will start to get a handle on him and his philosophy.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Bye Sally.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Rajkumar, still lying and bullshitting to the world. One delusional fuckwitted fool, without intelligence, cogency, and any ideas with considering. Total and abject fool.
Dance, fool, dance. Dance until you acknowledge your fuckwittery…
Stupid question from a stupid fool, showing they are too stupid to read and comprehend what is posted to them. Look above, the answer hasn’t, and will never, change stupid fool.
FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads):
May 28th, 2012 at 6:03 am
Ah, come on Raj don’t go! I need the entertainment. I’m watching “Inside Nature’s Giants: Giraffes” so very, very cool but it lacks the humour value you provide.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:08 am
I think we should keep a flounce count. Run a pool on it. See if his flounce count exceeds his IQ.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:10 am
Wow, Raj, you actually said something you mean. Congratulations.
It was spectacularly stupid–swearing is no reflection of character–but at least you were sincere. It’s a start.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Hasn’t it already? He has flounced a LOT.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:11 am
I think it already has. He flounces several times a day/session, and with a two digit IQ…
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Ohhhh Raj! At least make it FUN.
Louis
P.S. Lyn M, again, no bet. Flounce count is already > Raj’s IQ. I call shennanigans! ;-)
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Late to the party. Always a bridesmaid…
Louis
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Wait, dammit, I fucked up! (<–oooo, bad word! I'm a sinner eh Raj? See, around here, it's the admission of error that counts–that's what gives you good character.)
Raj DIDN’T say something he meant. If thinking that cussing means you’re not decent is stupid, then YES, as in, yes, Raj was pretending to be stupid.
So, still stupid, but also still pretending to be stupid. But does the admission of pretense count as a gesture towards honesty? I can’t really parse the thoughts of someone as scatterbrained as Raj the misogynist. I don’t think so, but it’s hard to say.
It’s a clusterfuck all around.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:18 am
*taps foot impatiently*
Well, I thought somebody would bite, if only raj.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Oh, and thank you for the champagne Louis. Must try it soon.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Raj may be a thick-skulled creepy lying perv, but let no one accuse him of laziness.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:26 am
I would accuse him of laziness. Too damn lazy to look up evidence to back up its inane ideas, then look up criticisms of said evidence. No harder than finding a YT video.
jonmilne:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:29 am
There’s just one big problem with all that, Raj. And it comes in the form of the bolded comment.
On the one hand, you make the admission that nothing is more reliable than scientific testing, and yet the contradiction here is that Schwartz fails, at a minimum, at Stage 3, which as I pointed out was “submit for peer review”. Or, if he has done that, then there’s nothing to suggest he completed Stage 4, which was to “revise one’s claim”. He certainly didn’t pass Stage 5, which was “retesting it to submit it with a 10% chance of being published” – and I should add that means being published in a CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL.
And even if, EVEN IF, he managed to do all that, there is, quite simply, no fucking way he EVER passed Stage 6, wherein “other scientists become vultures, and they (hoping to disprove) analyze your results for years, seeing if they get inconsistent results”, cause I will tell you this Raj: even without him passing Stages 3 through to 5, people who are trained in the real sciences have been picking apart his work for ages.
Would be that it were were it not for the fact that most of your posts here haven’t actually given a fully blown definition of what characteristics and traits your version of “God” is supposed to have. I have observed numerous people here give you many of the most common descriptions of what God tends to entail not just to people of the Abrahamic faiths, but also across many other cultures as well. I recognise that English doesn’t appear to be your first language, but if you’re not actually providing a definite definition of your God and what practical impact it has on the world as well as justifiable reasons for worshipping it, not to mention how we can actually reliably test as per the scientific process for the existence of your God.
Indeed, I will post the Scientific Process, and it would be very helpful if after each point you show how your God claim passes each of these stages (so eg: “My God claim passes Stage 1 of the scientific process because…” and then likewise for Stages 2 through 8.
I would greatly appreciate a response.
jonmilne:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Fuck, sorry, redoing my last post:
There’s just one big problem with all that, Raj. And it comes in the form of the bolded comment.
On the one hand, you make the admission that nothing is more reliable than scientific testing, and yet the contradiction here is that Schwartz fails, at a minimum, at Stage 3, which as I pointed out was “submit for peer review”. Or, if he has done that, then there’s nothing to suggest he completed Stage 4, which was to “revise one’s claim”. He certainly didn’t pass Stage 5, which was “retesting it to submit it with a 10% chance of being published” – and I should add that means being published in a CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL.
And even if, EVEN IF, he managed to do all that, there is, quite simply, no fucking way he EVER passed Stage 6, wherein “other scientists become vultures, and they (hoping to disprove) analyze your results for years, seeing if they get inconsistent results”, cause I will tell you this Raj: even without him passing Stages 3 through to 5, people who are trained in the real sciences have been picking apart his work for ages.
Would be that it were were it not for the fact that most of your posts here haven’t actually given a fully blown definition of what characteristics and traits your version of “God” is supposed to have. I have observed numerous people here give you many of the most common descriptions of what God tends to entail not just to people of the Abrahamic faiths, but also across many other cultures as well. I recognise that English doesn’t appear to be your first language, but if you’re not actually providing a definite definition of your God and what practical impact it has on the world as well as justifiable reasons for worshipping it, not to mention how we can actually reliably test as per the scientific process for the existence of your God.
Indeed, I will post the Scientific Process, and it would be very helpful if after each point you show how your God claim passes each of these stages (so eg: “My God claim passes Stage 1 of the scientific process because…” and then likewise for Stages 2 through 8.
I would greatly appreciate a response.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Sadly Nerd, it’s worse than laziness. It’s intellectual dishonesty and fear. Fear of having his dishonesty exposed. He doesn’t just not look for evidence. He actively avoids it. He puts effort into avoiding it.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:42 am
How could I as, since you posted the link, and I never clicked on the link? I never click on links from fuckwitted trolls who think they are smarter than us, as some have linked to malware. If I wanted to see breasts, I could visit my wife, or there is this thing called porn on the internet. Only abject fools who think they are smarter than they really are play your silly and stupid game of “gottcha”, and at the end of the day, get nobody but themselves.
vaiyt:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:24 am
I clicked the link. And no, I didn’t masturbate to it – it’s just a woman with bare breasts, nothing special. I find a bunch of those with almost every Google image search I do.
Sincerely, the heavenliness of the aforementioned breasts (how about the REST of the woman, raj you dolt? are women just collections of body parts to you?) is up to the beholder’s subjective judgment.
John Morales:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Specimen:
Why yes; you troll stupidly, your stupidity is addressed, you stupidly claim you were pranking.
In short: we all know you are a chew-toy, and you like it.
vaiyt:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:59 am
@raj:
From our point of view, there’s no functional difference between an actual idiot and someone who acts just like an idiot to get a reaction from people.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Alan Watts was a clever fellow:
«The attractions of being a trickster guru are many. There is power and there is wealth, and still more the satisfactions of being an actor without need for a stage, who turns “real life” into a drama. It is not, furthermore, an illegal undertaking such as selling shares in non-existent corporations, impersonating a doctor, or falsifying checks. There are no recognized and official qualifications for being a guru, though now that some universities are offering courses in meditation and Kundalini Yoga it may soon be necessary to be a member of the U.S. Fraternity of Gurus. But a really fine trickster would get around all that by the one-upmanship of inventing an entirely new discipline outside and beyond all known forms of esoteric teaching. [...]
There are two schools of thought about asking for money for your services. One is to have fees just like a doctor, because people are embarrassed if they do not know just what is expected of them. The other, used by the real high-powered tricksters, is to do everything free with, however, the understanding that each student has been personally selected for his or her innate capacity for the work (call it that), and thus be careful not to admit anyone without first putting them through some sort of hazing. Monetary contributions will soon be offered. Otherwise, charge rather heavily, making it dear that the work is worth infinitely more to oneself and to others than, say, expensive surgery or a new home. Imply that you give most of it away to mysterious beneficiaries. [...]
On the one hand, you yourself must be utterly free from any form of religious or parapsychological superstition, lest some other trickster should outplay you. On the other hand, you must eventually come to believe in your own hoax, because this will give you ten times more nerve. This can be done through religionizing total skepticism to the point of basic incredulity about everything – even science.»
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am
sigh
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am
The comments on this website are not emanating from some Borg-like alien intelligence, so the reason it seems like you vs. the horde is that a lot of us have read your comments, and independently concluded that you are an irritating pissant.
It doesn’t have to be that way, if you don’t like it. If you would drop your “sophisticated counter-buffoonery” act, and try to learn things and discuss them in good faith, at least some of us would probably be interested in talking to you. The fact is a lot us have been criticized or dog-piled here before.
If you don’t like being a laughing stock, but you don’t want learn or make intellectually honest comments, you could also consider leaving. Keep in mind that your decision to continue commenting here is your own.
I wish it were easier to indicate pained facial expressions in a comment box.
It has occurred to me that if I had decided to troll this place at age 13 the result might have looked something like this. How old are you Raj? If the honest answer is something preteen, maybe you should flounce for a few years and come back to us after you have finished puberty.
ryanwilkinson:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:36 am
If it helps my general reviledness, I don’t think it’s possible to be rude enough to Raj.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Ryan,
Un-nail yourself from the cross and grasp a sense of fucking perspective will you? You have been mocked by some people on the internet not “reviled”. Deal with the butthurt and grow a spine, or at least a notochord, for fuck’s sake, you’re making me ashamed to be British.
Engage brain before posting, don’t straw man people’s arguments, pay attention to what people are actually saying and guess what? You’ll be treated like a long lost pal before you know it. Do the things you’ve been doing up until now? Mockery may ensue. Up to and including…..sarcasm.
I know. Brutal. ;-)
Louis
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Oh and trying to make yourself more popular by picking on someone you perceive to be less popular?
Do you need me to point out just how contemptible that really is?
Raj might be a dolt, but you don’t get a cookie for being less of a dolt than he is. Ohhhhhh all right, I’m a big softie, you get a cookie, but no tummy rub.
Louis
consciousness razor:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:01 am
It’s about time.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Consciousness Razor,
You’re American right?* I wouldn’t sit too comfortably! We all have our countrypersons who we would rather…let us just say “could be blamed on some other bugger”. ;-)
Louis
* Even if you’re not, shitheads are universal!
consciousness razor:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Yes, I’m from the U.S., though I haven’t yet staked my flag in the rest of the Americas. We do have the moon, though, so that’s something.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
I’ve always felt sorry for Australians since they don’t know any better, but Britishness is a moral failing.
consciousness razor:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
It’s just pitiful that we don’t even have a good name for ourselves. Mooninites, maybe?
mikmik:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
I didn’t masturbate to Michelle’s HB’s.
You’re one of those premature ejaculators, aren’t you?
Is that going to be your convocation speech to the grade 6 boys class?
Anyways, don’t worry about it. One day your parents will let you have your own computer and you can disable the Parental filters. And one day you may even have enough money to get a hooker to reveal her heavenly ta-tas, but don’t forget to wear a condom so you don’t soak the front of your trousers.
Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Isn’t the moon where the space Nazis have the Helium 3 mines?
A. R:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:19 am
OK, I’ve finished my exhaustive search of the Oxford English Dictionary for a word Misogyniraj understands. I’m afraid to say that our expectations were correct, he doesn’t understand any of them.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Louis:
Pfffffffft, I thought all the regulars here saw this photo of
mea random stranger long ago. Why, I was even a youngster in ’07, I was 49! :DLouis:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Caine,
Well that was a first for me! Shows that I have been paying attention.
{Nods seriously}
Right, clearly I need to do something about this. Give me, say, 12 months to get into shape, another 12 months to get into a less comedy shape because the first 12 months will be spent getting proper fat on a diet of bacon and Guinness, and I shall festoon the internet with what can only be described as “ChatRoulette Friendly Hellos”!*
Louis
* Which as everyone knows is a tastefully arranged photographic or videographic representation of a gentleman’s carrots and peas. See also “soccer player’s calling card”. (Hat tip to this month’s Viz)
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:46 am
LILIAPWL, #335,
I will take many things but an assault on Britishness itself, sir, is…
…actually quite reasonable.
Mind you, you are An Septic.* Like I said, getting cocky about it isn’t really a very good idea.
Louis
* Septic Tank = Yank. Large, usually full of shit! ;-)
FYI: Any word incorrectly preceded by “an” should be read aloud in a deep, booming Welsh voice reminiscent of that of an old rugby master of mine. For example: “Boy! You is running like an pregnant yak.** Get an fucking move on boy!”
** Substitute: girl, puff, nancy, wanker etc as (in)appropriate….oh yes, this was an individual of enormous enlightenment.
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Oh, pfft, Louis. One does not need to be in good shape to take an erotic photo.
Look at this photo of fine example of a random individual, probably taken six years and 15 extra pounds or so ago, when said individual was not in his best shape ever, though I’m just speculating, of course, as this individual is not personally known to me.
Let me direct Rajkumar’s gaze downward, where a fold of the fabric seems to be accentuating a bit of biology and—yes, you see it now, and it cannot be unseen.
opposablethumbs:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
ryanwilkinson, it’s true to say that you are nothing like raj (you are a human being as opposed to an excrescence) but this is setting the bar rather low. The thing to do about the “reviledness” you mention is not to post comments containing anything revolting (hint: as far as I can see, you’re not actually “reviled” – check out the difference between posters’ response to you and to raj; there is a difference. Several people have noted that you have the potential to stop being a dork; unlike excrescences like raj for whom being a dork would be something to aspire to but far, far beyond their reach. But you will probably continue to get hit vigorously with the rubber chicken unless you stop and read and read and read all over Pharyngula for a bit – if you’re interested in sticking around, of course.)
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I’d rather be full of shit than mushy peas!
Did I misread, or aren’t you currently living in France — fleeing the scene of your
birthcrime?Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Brownian,
Dear FSM! What have I started? Also…convenient fabric fold, liking it, liking it, it’s a good look on
youa random individual.Louis
P.S. I wonder if Raj will now entertain with a proof of god by magnificent man sausage?
1) Ooooh look at this tumescent wonder.
2) Therefore god.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
LILAPWL,
This is true, shit is an improvement over mushy peas….just. Except as an accompaniment to fish and chips, where mushy peas are pretty good actually. Shit…not so much.
I WISH I was living in France, sadly no. I have a French ancestor or two, but not there now. Was there many moons ago, but for the moment in good old Blighty with some proper ale and a steak and stilton pie.
Louis
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Huh. Not sure how I got that notion. Nevertheless:
Clear indication of a guilty mind.
Now I’m waiting to read shiloh’s research on reincarnation; then I can ascertain whether your Britishness was premeditated or a crime of passion.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
LILAPWL,
Oh in my case it was definitely premeditated, deliberate and about 20 million pounds short and 50 years late. Ohhhh to be Bertie Wooster style Edwardian gentleman…
Louis
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
50 years? I can has maths! NOT!
Try 75.
Louis
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
A full confession, then? At a minimum you’ll have to be confined to your island for the duration of Ms Windsor’s diamond jubilee, while you think about what you’ve done.
opposablethumbs:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
The Jeeves & Wooster era, 1920s-30s or so, was possibly the most elegant in fashion and design terms the UK has ever seen – for the rich (and especially, though not solely, for the stick-thin rich) who had an army of serfs to clean and polish and iron for them, of course. But alas, Louis, I would have been too female and you (going by your own report, if I take you aright) too swarthy to be allowed into the Drones …
opposablethumbs:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
cruel and inhuman, lilapwl, cruel and inhuman. We’ve got to put up with that crap for weeks now.
consciousness razor:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I just can’t believe he’s acting so flippantly about it, on Memorial Day, no less! Why do you hate the troops, Louis??
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
The second is just a subset of the first.
Anyone who thinks it is “funny” to act like an idiot just to get a reaction from people, IS an idiot.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Brownian:
Hmmmph, now the queue is going to be even longer…
ryanwilkinson:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
i want opposablethumbs to be my mentor (sorry opposablethumbs)
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
The fapwit got its metaphors reversed. It qualifies for the appelation “man” only in the loosest, taxonomic sense.
And it will continue to be repeated, so long as it continues to remain the best and most appropriate reponse to the fapwit’s continuing fapwittery.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
You don’t need a mentor, you need to use your damn brain. Poor thing is damn near dead from a lack of exercise. Also, learn where your shift key is and how to use it.
ryanwilkinson:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I have once forgotten to use the shift key. Sorry. That should be a semicolon after ‘mentor’, instead of a comma, though.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Catcing up:
mikmik:
Ouch. That is one hell of a mangled quote!
“When I’m good I’m very, very good, but when I’m bad, I’m better.”
-Mae West
Mr. Fire:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Caine;
I log in to Pharyngula for the first time in weeks and the first thing I see is that link to your spectacular anatomy which I totally don’t have bookmarked or anything.
mikmik:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
@ Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel),
Damn, did I ever. Thanks, because, it was bugging me. I almost wished I hadn’t posted it after I submitted and read it again!
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Mr. Fire! Where ya been? My anatomy? No, no, we’re all posting links to random strangers on the intertubes. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
opposablethumbs:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Not a chance, ryan – for several reasons:
first and foremost as Caine implied it’s about thinking for yourself; ain’t nobody can do that for you. I just recommend that if you’re interested in things that get discussed around here you should read a lot around the threads that interest you and really think about what you read (fwiw I and a lot of others read a hell of a lot more than we post; it may not be immediately obvious to all, but there is a lot to be learned around here. Like many people, I read and lurked for a while before dipping a toe in. I comment only occasionally, in the full and certain knowledge that there are people a lot smarter and with a lot more relevant experience/expertise than I who have something to say worth saying).
.
Secondly I’m just as likely as anyone and more so than many to get shit wrong.
.
Thirdly, just because I have an often-misguided inclination to give people the benefit of the doubt a lot of the time sure as hell doesn’t mean I’m necessarily right to do so, nor does it mean that other people who may appear to have a shorter fuse – i.e. those who cut to the chase – are necessarily wrong. In fact I’ve learned since I started hanging around here that more often than not they are right.
.
Shorter me: c’mon ryan, if you want to stick around then do – just read, maybe stick to lurking for a while, think before you post (more than you seemed to do on the previous thread when you came in) and be prepared to get very very vigorously apprised of the error of your ways if you say something dumb.
ryanwilkinson:
May 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Fair enough. I’ll lurk.
Ogvorbis:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Raj:
Could you please reconcile your observations about the male human’s reaction to female human’s breasts (and that reaction being proof of gods) and the large number of cultures in human history in which female humans going topless, or with breasts fully exposed in other ways, was normal? Also, please explain males, such as myself, who are heterosexual but do not find Wife’s breasts the most arousing part of her. And, if you could, please include links to peer-reviewed literature which supports you assertions.
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Opposablethumbs,
Ah yes, my swarthiness! Curse my diverse genetic background!
But wait…It’s my fantasy!
I would, for the sake of Wooster-ness, be ~20 million richer, born ~75 earlier and moderately less swarthy.
Oh crap, think of all the money I’ll have to spend on sun cream now!
Louis
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
LILAPWL,
I will go and sit in a remote corner of my island considering my many crimes until I’m really, really sorry.
I might just find a quiet corner where all the Royalists have buggered off to London from, and occupy a surly republican stool at the bar and drink self condemnatory ales.
And possibly consume the pickled egg of analysis and despond.
Louis
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Ryry:
Jesus Christ. It’s about fucking time you figured that out.
mikmik:
No problem! That’s one of my fav celebrity quotes, so I just had to show of for a minute. :D
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Caine:
You know, I might be able to find a pic of a pregnant lady with spectacular bosoms.
If you all are good. Like a gift from Santa!
*waves at Mr Fire!*
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
I would like to point out at this juncture for no apparent reason and with no connection to anything at all that I have been very, very good. I even took out the recycling and vacuumed the domicile and did all the washing up, shopping and cooking AND took the day off for the sick Boy ANNNNND I don’t even want a cookie for it.
That’s good I think.
Louis
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
And when you don’t want a cookie, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to not want cookies standing in the TET and in the TZT to be seen by Audley. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
In case anyone is interested, here is a picture of a random person in a random sailboat during a random race to Bermuda.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
No, me not clever. It’s you people who are super dumb.
ah, but I can step in… I can step out..
in
out
in
out…
http://www.tv.com/shows/mash/house-arrest-43265/
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
ANNNNND I don’t even want a cookie for it.
are you talking to us, or the wife?
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Bertie Wooster
Hugh Laurie sends you thumbs up as they break down the set for “House” the final time.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Audley:
Ooooooooh. ♥
Oh, Captain! How did the latest race go?
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
A cookie? From the WIFE?
{Consults the magic eight ball}
The outlook is not promising.
Louis
Louis:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Stephen Fry is the best Jeeves ever. Period. Case closed. Full stop. I will brook no argument on the matter.
Louis
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
What’s a random race?
“And now that the racers have all reached their assorted destinations, the winner shall have reached—[draws from a barrel]—Bermuda, at an average speed of—[draws from a different barrel]—8.3 knots!
Congratulations to any winn—[pauses as an aide whispers in ear]—uh, no winner this year.
Again.
Good luck next year, everyone!”
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Alright, Louis, that sounds fair.
But if you get so drunk that you forget why you’re drinking, then you have to start all over again.
nigelTheBold, who sings like a needle to the ear:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
I shall not inflict you all with a picture of a random stranger who would be, at best, flabby and graceless. Best to keep your imagination unslaked.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Louis,
No cookie for you then*.
*Everyone else, feel free. BUT NO LOUIS!
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Audley:
But I get an ‘Access Denied’!
Mr. Fire:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Caine: where have I been?
It’s a long story, but it involves a sponge, a resurrected Ronald Reagan, the Vatican’s secret monkey army, copious amounts of drugs and tattoo that says “Louis was here” engraved on my left buttcheek that may contain the power to end all life on Earth as we know it.
I swear.
Mr. Fire:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
*also, waves back at Audley*
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Caine:
Well, crap.
IThat random lady just can’t keepmyher shit straight.Let’s try this again, this time through
myher blog, instead ofmyher twitpic account.A random pregnant lady’s* spectacular Proof of God.
*I feel like that’s kind of cheating, but oh well!
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Thanks!
[Puts hands a screen.]
Sorry, I’m not getting anything.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Missed you around here, señor Fire!
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Mr. Fire, I told you not test drink the grog, just taste it…
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
In this case, a race that took place about ten or so years ago.
We placed in the upper half of the finishers. We would have done better but the commode door insisted on gybing at the windward mark with the idiotic idea that the wind was better on the starboard tack. It wasn’t. But doing two gybes when almost everyone else didn’t gybe at all cost five or six places. What an idiot that commode door is!
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I am now done with the plotblog of mystery! (I’m sending a giftie to Cipher.) It’s already to be mailed otmorrow. Or tomorrow, even. This is the artist trading card I did. (They’re small, 2.5″ x 3.5″).
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Audley:
Spectacular indeed! Complete with tattoo. :D
Mr. Fire:
Oh gods. Whatever you do, don’t get a hand mirror and read the teeny tiny numbers! And watch the sky for genticles!
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
*jealous of Cipher!*
*but only a little*
Hee. Thanks, Caine! ♥!
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
BINGO in capitals. But never underestimate people like Janine. Looks like she holds a Phd in rudeness and offensiveness.
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I’m having trouble deciding whether
Sally Strange’srandom person 1′s bosoms,Caine’srandom person 2′s ta-tas, orAudley’srandom person 3′s mounds are the definitive proofs for gods. The matter might be put to a vote.rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
No, not just body parts. And this is exactly the point is …. That mere ‘body parts’ can’t have such power of their own. There must be something else going on, too, of which we are now aware at the moment.
And I don’t understand this ‘gentlemanly’ attitude of people like you. She has posed topless in both video clips precisely because of her extraordinary breasts, and thus to be seen in a purely sexual context. If she doesn’t mind, and she likes to be seen in this way, what exactly is your problem? Do you think women hate being sexually attractive?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Nope, that is you irrational fuckwitted idjit. PZ has banhammered folks here in the TZT. Time for you to fade into the bandwidth the with rest of the terminally stooopid…
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Why don’t you just post this for every comment?
Because you’re a fucking liar?
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
And you have admitted to indulging in porn on the Internet… be careful. On the one hand, you pretend to be that gentleman who find only his wife’s breasts attractive. On the other hand, you are that slime who secretly watches porn on the Internet.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Because then you would stop writing. Don’t want to discourage your poor commenting skills.
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
“Duh, something unrelated.”
Go back to “I don’t understand”. Relevant, and truthful.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
raj,
Wait, what?
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Oh, I see the game. You’re just writing nonsensical things, intentionally, for once.
chigau (違う):
May 28th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
boobies
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Rajkumar, who gives a shit what a fuckwitted idjit thinks. I certainly don’t. Show some intelligence for once in your meager and pathetic life, and stop bother your betters with your fuckwittery. Fade permanently into the bandwidth.
No, they were all intentional. What an ignorant and stoopid fuckwit RK is…
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
I was of the impression that he once thought of himself as someone with something useful to say.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Given his lies and bullshit, one can’t state what he thought originally. I have always thought it was trolling, as it never had anything cogent to say, just fuckwittery, idiocy, and stoopidity.
Brownian:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
What’s funny about this comment:
Is that rajkumar actually does discourage me from commenting. He’s a liar and an idiot, and I don’t really enjoy stomping on trolls, especially those who don’t argue in good faith. Frankly, watching everyone try to figure out just what the fuck this boil is on about doesn’t make for very interesting conversations.
Of course, this won’t affect the lying fuck’s behaviour one iota, 402 notwithstanding.
chigau (違う):
May 28th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
yikes
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Audley:
Stands with Audley in the Wait, what? line.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Brownian:
No, it doesn’t, which is why I tend to simply talk around
ithim.Ogvorbis:
May 28th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I have come to the conclusion that Raj could not pour water out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I was hoping Raj would try to figure out what a commode door is.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
‘Tis:
Noooooooooooooooo…
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Where’s your sense of adventure?
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Just look at your army of clowns, and then at yourself. If you still think I am the one who is trolling, then maybe too much porn has finally done its magic! Or, maybe, DENIAL in capitals is the right way to put it.
By the way, have you been to a site called ‘Ilovethebeach’? Not exactly porn. But lots and lots of tits. yum!
cm's changeable moniker:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
@Tony:
I’d suggest a “large”, “bulky” woodcock, but Louis beat me to the gag.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
But don’t worry. It’s not you or your clowns, not even me, who gets to decide who is trolling and who is not.
rajkumar:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
see ya later, Nerdy, you gnome.
Ogvorbis:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Holy FUCK!! How many fucking times has Raj flounced? Even if this fuckwad had a three digit IQ his flounces would still be more than his IQ number. Seriously, this idiot was shipped by never delivered.
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
It flounces every three posts. I think it feels the need to announce its absence every time it wants to take a 30 min break from commenting.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
‘Tis:
Oh, alright. I think it’s beyond his ability anyway. He’s been stuck in the same loop of stupidity for a long while now. He’s in a Möbius strip of stupid.
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Caine,
Maybe he’ll move to a Klein bottle of stupid.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
And you have admitted to indulging in porn on the Internet… be careful.
be careful?
or what?
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
But that’s what the internet is for.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
The matter might be put to a vote.
better yet, a hands-on judges panel.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
‘Tis:
Good idea! We could get an Acme, stuff him in it and toss it in the ocean.
Ogvorbis:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
That’s it. I have had enough! I am out of here.
(Well, until I get back from the commode, that is.)
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Don’t forget to shut the door.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
I’m still confused. Porn and bewbz prove what?
Ogvorbis:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
It proves gods. Because, like, there is no way that sexual attraction in all of its myriad forms could possibly have evolved!
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
It thinks its a “prank”.
If doesn’t realize that each and every flounce only serves to reveal how much more of a fapwitted idiot it actually is.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Audley:
We need to be careful ‘cos gods may be watching?
betelgeux:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Did that work?
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Our problem, fapwit, is the dishonest and misogynistic way YOU chose to USE those clips.
Of course the concept of personal responsibility is something that DECENT human beings adhere to, but you’re not one of those.
Pathetic.
Fapfap.
betelgeux:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay! I figured out how to blockquote creationists! Will this only work with other users who have the greasemonkey script installed, or will everyone be able to see my angry gumby blockquote?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
The only clown and gnome her is Rajkumar, who can’t do a simple “this is what I believe, and this the evidence (link) to back it up” to save its life. It has degenerated into pron. Must be adolescent…
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Oggie,
Oh lord, this raj idiot probably actually believes that shit.
It’s scary how tuned in you are to the trolls, Oggman. Scary, but useful.
Caine,
Pfffffft. So we can’t be pervs because god’s a perv? Or something like that?
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
So we can’t be pervs because god’s a perv? Or something like that?
no, you can be a perv, it just has to be “god approved” ™ perversions.
you know, like having 700 whores in your house, or bathing in the blood of your enemies, and their children, dogs, horses, cattle…
that kind of perv is just peachy.
NO GAY SEX, though. that’s just right out
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
The first person to link to porn, the only one here to provide actual physical evidence that it is such a connoisseur of porn that it not only knows instantly where to find it, but would automatically think it appropriate to link to as a “prank”, is you, fapwit.
The others only claimed to indulge. If push comes to shove, their tracks are clean on this thread.
Yours, on the other hand, are sadly quite sticky, and are glowing brightly with the luminol.
Fapfapfap.
Ogvorbis:
May 28th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Remember, I was in MI. And still work for the government.
Bwahahahahahaha!
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Must be adolescent…
did he ever deny living in his parent’s basement?
Travis:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
betelgeux,
I only see a regular blockquote on your post. No Gumby sadly.
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
betelgeux #438
Only those with the greasemonkey script installed and activated can see the gumby. However <blockquote><q>gives Comic Sans MS</blockquote></q> to pretty well anybody:
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Really?
Now see, if I recall correctly, David was punished by god for his heterosexual escapades with Bathsheba.
But all that hanky-panky he did with Jonathan? God’s response to that was to make him King of Israel.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 28th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Ichthy:
You mean I’ve been doing it wrong this entire time?
God -fucking- dammit!
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Of course they’re watching.
Why did they make us, if not to watch? They forbid it because its more salacious and entertaining for them if we think they disapprove.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
yup.
don’t get too upset though, you really can’t ever do it “right” anyway.
it’s a trick!
*shhh*
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
If I remember right, David got into trouble for what he did to Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah the Hittite.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
betelgeux, the one you’re using there is visible only to others who have the script installed. I made that before I found a method that everyone could see (at a moment when PZ was feeling particularly generous about tweaking the css here).
The version that’s visible for everyone is:
oh shit. What was it again? Wait a minute.
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
‘Tis:
I didn’t know that’s what the Internet was for. Now I know. And knowing is half the battle.
That video was funny.
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Well if one must pick this nit, David didn’t get into any real trouble at all. Neither did Bathsheba (which is a surprise, all things considering)
Only their baby did. (The one NOT named ‘Solomon’).
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
has someone informed the chew toy that better luck might be found on XTube, rather than YouTube?
Josh, Churlish Ingrate:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Well someone sure as fuck should. The more seed he spills wasted up on the ground the better for all of us.
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
From the pfffftt of all knowledge:
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Avenue Q reference! I love you. Tony, look up Avenue Q. That song is actually from a Broadway musical… with puppets.
I fucking love puppets.
I’ve been enjoying all the pics, folks! Yer all awesome, you know that?
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Tony,
I’m glad you liked the video. The song is from an excellent Broadway musical called Avenue Q.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
It’s <code><blockquote></blockquote></code><blockquote>gumby hangs here</blockquote>
I shall make a note of this in the greasemonkey script.
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Technically, then, Uriah disobeyed a direct order from his King, making his execution justifiable for treason.
The bible pioneered rules lawyering.
The trigger for Absalom’s revolt was the rape of his full sister by his (and her) half-brother, another one of David’s sons. (None of them being related to Bathsheba in any way, either)
So what in hell did she do to deserve that?
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
And there’s nothing to be done about the excess whitespace. So it’s best to pretend like you meant to do that. Because the quoted commenter was so shockingly wrong, I guess.
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
And Absalom ended up getting hanged from a tree by his own hair.
If it was supposed to punishment for David, shouldn’t Absalom have won?
betelgeux:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
@life is like a pitbull
First, thanks for the instructions you gave to A.R. in the comments on the first TZT, which helped me install the gumby script on Greasemonkey.
Second, I’m assuming the test didn’t work, since I didn’t see a gumby or comic sans in Firefox or IE. Let me know in these comments if you remember what it is, thanks.
Anyway, I use Chrome and IE more than Firefox, and I was wondering if I could use greasemonkey scripts in these browsers. With a little research I managed to install the script for comic sans on Chrome (use Google Chrome Beta), and I downloaded a program called Trixie, which lets you install GM scripts in IE. However, I can’t figure out how to use Trixie (I can’t access it thru my tools menu like the site I downloaded it from said I could). I’m still working at it, so I might be able to figure it out.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
The more seed he spills wasted up on the ground the better for all of us.
It’s a fact. Stupid people have stupid children.
Help stamp out this mindless mindlessness!
betelgeux:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
OK, scratch my previous comment. Thanks, life is like a pitbull!
betelgeux:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Can everyone see that?
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I see gumby! #467, #468 second blockquote.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Yep, I see your “Jesus is Lord!” gumby.
I can’t advise you about Trixie at all, but on the Greasemonkey page on the wiki, someone left a note about getting the killfile to work in Chrome. I haven’t tried it either, so that’s all I know.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Oh, so THAT’S what this haunting song is all about.
Christianity gave us shape-note singing, it’s one (very small) mitigating factor.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
#468 second blockquote.
I got me ‘ead stuck in the cupboard.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
a comment; scroll down to see it.
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Test case
Nifty. Thanks Strange Gods.
@ Betelgeux
I can see the gumby in Strange Gods’ post, and I’m using Firefox. There is also one in my test blockquote above when I render it in preview.
Maybe the issue has to do with preferences?
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Didn’t you learn the lesson from Job? Yahweh doesn’t want you dead, he wants you broken.
Ichthyic:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Didn’t you learn the lesson from Job? Yahweh doesn’t want you dead, he wants you broken.
yup.
the Abrahamic religions have been selecting for authoritarianism in human populations for millenia.
the message is clear:
do not breed with non-authoritarian personalities!!
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Here’s the explanation of why the CSS hack works.
It’s total gibberish, of course. There’s no such thing as CSS, life is only a dream, and we’re the imagination of ourselves.
Here’s Raj with the weather.
Amphiox:
May 28th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Dying peacefully in his sleep of a ripe old age and being remembered as the Bible’s equivalent of George Washington doesn’t seem all that broken, does it?
At least it should have gone like Job, and have David lose round one, and force him to win back his kingdom.
Even the Simpsons got that one better (David vs Goliath II)…
consciousness razor:
May 28th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
For a while in the 19th century, it was used in some secular folk music as well, but I don’t know which might have come first. Either way, Christians probably put it to the most use, but I think a lot of that has to do with a church congregation (even a small one) being more able to afford sheet music than a household or a folk band or whatever. And households which could afford sheet music looked down on that sort of thing, sometimes both the style of the music and the “dumbed-down” form of notation.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 28th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
It does because his claim to being King was faithfulness and obedience to God. The point is that David as King can fuck around with anyone he wants…but when God says jump David says “tell me when I can come down”
It’s a warning shot
'Tis Himself:
May 28th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Yahweh doesn’t care if you live or die. The sadistic bastard has no trouble killing innocent bystanders. He had bears maul 42 children because they were rude. He killed the first-born in Egypt because the ruler wouldn’t listen to a political lobbyist (and Yahweh set it up that Pharaoh wouldn’t listen). Real nice guy, Ol’ Yahweh.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 28th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Note that that’s what he does when he doesn’t care about you. If he has an interest he does not let you off so easy as to die.
Pharaoh is fucked over
Moses disobeys ever so minorly and can never see his life’s work completed
Job has his spirit broken
Jonah gets the Tex Avery treatment.
Tony:
May 28th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
rajkumar:
What exactly is this power that breasts have?
Who does it work on?
When does it work?
Is it 100%effective?It isn’t 100% effective, as I don’t get a rise out of viewing breasts. I imagine there are many people around the world that get no discernible arousal simply by viewing breasts (and no, not all of them are gay; I know some straight men that aren’t remotely interested in breasts).Moreover, how did you find out that breasts have ‘power’ to begin with?
Have you studied them?
Are you a female breast expert?
Do you have a link to a peer reviewed scientific study that supports the idea that the breasts of human females has any ‘power’?
Why *must* there be something else going on?
Even if something must be going on, how do you get from
A- breasts have power
to
B- therefore god?
MissEla:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
But I thought it was “Star Trek, therefore God”–oh, wait, that was yec123!
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
@Tony #483
You can do so one of two ways:
1) Be incredibly stupid
2) Be raj.
… oh wait, that boils down to one way, doesn’t it?
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
OT, but thought I would share a t-shirt I saw yesterday. This is really first rate, prime Chinglish.
I have the pic to prove it.
Would raj say
nigelTheBold, who sings like a needle to the ear:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Oh, I just can’t even keep up. I’m not even gonna try.
sigh
I miss you all, and hope to be back full-time some time in the near future. Meaning, within the next year.
Meanwhile, I have people singing Don’t Stop Believin’ downstairs. I have stuff to do.
nigelTheBold, who sings like a needle to the ear:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Tony:
Bah. You’re the exception that proves the rule. Or something.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Hi nigel :)
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 28th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
I like breasts just fine, but I’m much more of a butt guy. I know, men have butts too, but only female butts ‘do it’ for me.
I feel the need to point out, at least for the sake of the vast majority of non-shitty people who will read this post*, that I’m only talking about physical features here- my primary interest in women is the people they are, and it only becomes more true as I get older and learn more about interacting with people.
*I know a misogynist like Raj will comprehend nothing but the ‘butts’ part.
nigelTheBold, who sings like a needle to the ear:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Hey, lilapwl:
Uhm, Don’t Stop Believin’. I have my priorities.
But Hi right back. As in, “Fuck, but I miss all y’all.”
Not to make this about me (because really, my life is boring, and I don’t even have an excellent bossom to make up for that fact), but life is carryin’ on like a choo-choo train about to run my ass over. I mostly poked my nose in here to say I’m still alive (important to me, since I’ve found several good on-line friends dead only by their absence), and to admit that, while my bossom is copious, it cannot compete.
That is all.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 28th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Also, I laughed when he insinuated that we’re all trying to be “gentlemen” who have to give the impression we only think about our wives’s breastses.
I don’t have a wife, and the woman I love doesn’t appear to give a tin shit if I do the Bonobo Dance with someone else, as long as I wear protection and don’t bring anything nasty back to her.
Respecting women as people and having lots of sex aren’t mutually exclusive, idiot.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
*nods*
I’m glad to see you still poking about!
Josh, Churlish Ingrate:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
All hail to the butts. Mmm-hmmm.
nigelTheBold, who sings like a needle to the ear:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Thanks.
I can’t wait for about two weeks of sleep and then about a week of serious shroom usage, followed by a couple of weeks of troll-smashing.
Oh. Wait. Is this Facebook?
nigelTheBold, who sings like a needle to the ear:
May 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Josh, Churlish Ingrate:
Well, there has been more than one inappropriate novelty rap songs about that.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 28th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Seriously, what is it about a female butt that can affect me in ways a male butt can’t?
Oh shit guys… I think I believe in god now.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 29th, 2012 at 1:04 am
I enjoy gazing upon a well-formed derriere of either sex. Seriously, this last season of “Dancing With the Stars” (don’t laugh, okay, nevermind, fuck it, go ahead and laugh) was totally worth watching if only for all the gratuitous butt-shaking by William Levy and Donald Driver. SERIOUS eye-candy for het ladies, gay men, and any bi folks. If nothing else, Josh, go look up some clips of Levy’s last salsa performance.
MMMMM. MMmmm HMMM.
…I’ll be in my bunk.
SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant:
May 29th, 2012 at 1:12 am
Oh hell, I’ll just post the fucking video. Fast forward to 0:30 to see what I’m talking about.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 2:05 am
Yeah. well, I am talking about those who do get a rise out of viewing breasts, naked or otherwise — people like me. Having said this, well developed well-shaped female breasts hold some kind of divine power for people like me. Those who remain largely unaffected by that power… well, that could become a different topic for discussion. As in, why a large number of heterosexual men get a ‘rise’ out of viewing breasts, but some don’t. Most do, but some don’t.
Not yet. The idea is so original that I think I’ll be the first one to write a peer reviewed paper on this.
And Sally, I can’t see your video. It says:
The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
Sorry about that.
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 2:46 am
Ahem, excuse me Raj, but I’d really appreciate it if you actually addressed my last post to you:
There’s just one big problem with all that, Raj. And it comes in the form of the bolded comment.
On the one hand, you make the admission that nothing is more reliable than scientific testing, and yet the contradiction here is that Schwartz fails, at a minimum, at Stage 3, which as I pointed out was “submit for peer review”. Or, if he has done that, then there’s nothing to suggest he completed Stage 4, which was to “revise one’s claim”. He certainly didn’t pass Stage 5, which was “retesting it to submit it with a 10% chance of being published” – and I should add that means being published in a CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL.
And even if, EVEN IF, he managed to do all that, there is, quite simply, no fucking way he EVER passed Stage 6, wherein “other scientists become vultures, and they (hoping to disprove) analyze your results for years, seeing if they get inconsistent results”, cause I will tell you this Raj: even without him passing Stages 3 through to 5, people who are trained in the real sciences have been picking apart his work for ages.
Would be that it were were it not for the fact that most of your posts here haven’t actually given a fully blown definition of what characteristics and traits your version of “God” is supposed to have. I have observed numerous people here give you many of the most common descriptions of what God tends to entail not just to people of the Abrahamic faiths, but also across many other cultures as well. I recognise that English doesn’t appear to be your first language, but if you’re not actually providing a definite definition of your God and what practical impact it has on the world as well as justifiable reasons for worshipping it, not to mention how we can actually reliably test as per the scientific process for the existence of your God.
Indeed, I will post the Scientific Process, and it would be very helpful if after each point you show how your God claim passes each of these stages (so eg: “My God claim passes Stage 1 of the scientific process because…” and then likewise for Stages 2 through 8.
1) make an observation and create a hypothesis.
2) experiment and repeat it constantly.
3) submit for peer review.
4) revise your claim.
5) retest it to resubmit it with a 10% chance of being published.
6) if published, other scientists become vultures, and they (hoping to disprove) analyze your results for years, seeing if they get inconsistent results.
7) many years later, after many trials, the scientific community may accept it.
8) finally, it becomes a theory.
I would greatly appreciate a response.
Much thanks,
Jon
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 2:57 am
Having said this, well developed well-shaped female breasts hold some kind of divine power for people like me.
yes, I’m sure if you ever actually put your hands on one, you’d have an immediate NDE!
You’d increase your chances if you left your parents basement and got yourself an education though.
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Respecting women as people and having lots of sex aren’t mutually exclusive, idiot.
+1, from personal experience.
ps: do remember that raj is a preteen who lives in his parent’s basement.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 3:11 am
Sorry Jon. Here is your response:
I have no clue whether or not Gary Schwartz has published any peer-reviewed literature in a scientific journal. As I said before, he has supposedly written the book, The Afterlife Experiments, for lay people — and lay people do not need to know these details. Maybe he has. Maybe he hasn’t. None of my concern. All I know is, the book helps a lot, but only if you have some prior knowledge about the concepts he discusses in the book.
Yes. English is not my first language, and I am so proud of the fact that I don’t speak this dull and boring and dry language as my first language. I am sorry if you have trouble understanding me, but nothing can be done about it. This is the way I am… Poor me! However, I’ll try again, and if you have trouble understanding the following lines in ** **, let me know and I’ll see if I can have them translated by someone who speaks English as a first language:
**God CANNOT be defined or conceptualized. Not Possible. Or, let’s put it this way: Human minds have limitations placed upon them. The mind cannot understand God, and this is by God’s own design. **
Why? I have already told that MANY times.
If you want more information on God, see Alan Watts’ many videos on Youtube. Or, read a few books by Ken Wilber. Or, visit his website.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 29th, 2012 at 3:16 am
tl;dr = And yet I still don’t realize that repeating empty sentences does not give them content.
opposablethumbs:
May 29th, 2012 at 3:19 am
Comment by rajkumar blocked. [unkill][show comment]
Bored now.
.
.
Just reduced the amount of stupid appearing in the thread by at least 90%. Hey! The air is fresher already!
(mind you, I’d unkill if it ever tries to answer jonmilne’s question – that should be good for a laugh. Or possibly a lagomorph, as my fingers seem to want to type for some reason).
Louis:
May 29th, 2012 at 3:40 am
LILAPWL alll the way back at #382,
I forgot.
I’ll start again.
This might {hic} take a while. But I promise to be very very sorry.
Louis
Louis:
May 29th, 2012 at 3:43 am
Mr Fire, #386,
Erm, that tattoo, yeah sorry about that. I can offer a solution from LouisCorp’s newly formed “Laser Tattoo Removal Service With Lasers (We use lasers. Lasers are cool)”.
For a modest fee we can destroy that tattoo for you you…and several segments of your bank account…but don’t worry about that now.
Louis
Louis:
May 29th, 2012 at 3:47 am
Caine, #394,
Don’t worry, I think those numbers are just my phone number. Unless my tattoo operative made an error after I had finished with Mr Fire.
I don’t want to go through that business with what happened in Tunguska again. Wrong tattoo, moderate opening of hell portal, I spent hours sorting that out. It was totally the wrong time. Incidentally, what are you all doing December the 21st?
No reason for asking, just curious.
Louis
opposablethumbs:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:07 am
It amuses me slightly that one of the questions that this year’s cohort taking the final module in GCSE Physics tomorrow have been told to expect as a possible topic in one subsection of the exam is
.
what is peer review and why is it important/how does it work/what is its purpose (or similar)
.
(GCSEs are typically taken around the age of 16, though many spawn could of course answer this question at an earlier age.)
.
And you can bet the vast majority of these teenagers grasp this simple concept perfectly well, unlike the late and unlamented troll recently infesting these parts.
.
So thanks to the threadizens who reminded us to chat about peer review during physics revision yesterday.
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:51 am
Well I guess Google had to be my ally here. Here is the first page of results for “Gary Schwartz peer reviewed”: https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1DSGQ_ENUK482&=&q=gary+schwartz+peer+reviewed+&oq=gary+schwartz+peer+reviewed+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=igoogle.3…85.12905.0.13310.35.10.0.25.0.0.335.1191.0j7j0j1.8.0…0.0.MWwuj9VN8ZI , and guess what buddy? NONE of his spiritual stuff have been peer reviewed. To make Schwartz’s case worse, HE claims that “politics” is the reason why his work wouldn’t pass PR, and yet as the articles go on to demonstrate, it’s actually because his “spiritual science” is not science, but a big fat load of bollocks.
Damn it Raj. I could have been the exception here. I really thought you could have seen sense when I gave what you asked for: someone who would be patient and not be levelling insults at you, even though right now they are entirely justifiable. Granted, I may not have been using the TZT threads as long as Nerd, Amphiox, Tis Himself etc have been using them, which means they would have been bound to lose patience with you quicker because this post here confirms your intellectual dishonesty. On the one hand, you don’t think there’s any better method for discerning truth than the scientific method, and yet you casually and callously dismiss the sheer importance of peer review.
I don’t care if he wrote his book for people who aren’t experts. Some of the biggest names in atheism, secularism and science have wrote books for EXACTLY the same kind of audience, and their books STILL get received far more favourably than Gary Schwartz’s utter tripe.
Pardon me, but is that offensive diatribe you labelled against English speakers classed as xenophobia or racism? In any case, you’re woefully misinformed. While many languages have a certain beauty to them when they pass through our ears, there is ultimately NO language that is as expressive as the English language. We have the largest dictionary of words to use, and many of the greatest works of literature have either come from English speaking places, or wind up being translated into English.
Now onto your highlighted text:
Fallacy of contradiction, buddy. You’ve just defined God, right there, right after saying he couldn’t be defined. Jeez Louise, you really ought to have known better than to fall into one of the easiest-to-avoid traps there are. Furthermore, what precisely would be the point of having limitations placed on the human mind in order to understand God, what would be practical exactly about this element of God’s design, and of course the big question here is how on earth this God entity deserves any kind of worship after being so cruel as to supposedly limit people from “truly understanding” what God is?
Assume that as I was reading through the zombie threads, it got increasingly difficult to read your posts when you were deliberately being vague, obfuscating and intellectually dishonest when people were pressing you. Could you please “tell why” again?
I’ve got a better idea. Google shall be my ally again. I bet if I type each of their names into that search engine along with the term “peer review” I will find bugger all of credibility. It’s a real shame, Raj, but you’ve failed. Completely and utterly.
I think people need to further Amphiox’s example when dealing with Raj, only it should be taken to another level by replacing any quotes by Raj to just read something like:
Because the guy is nothing more than a troll now. Give him this treatment, he’ll go away.
vaiyt:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:28 am
I do appreciate the presence of a shapely pair of mammaries on a woman, but of course what qualifies as “shapely” depends on the person. Some people look good with DDs, for example, but I doubt that would work for my ex-girlfriend. (she was short and, let’s say, “greek-goddess-shaped”).
@SallyStrange
I was butt-blocked by Youtube. ): What? I find men shaking their butts amusing.
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:33 am
@jonmilne #11
Good on you for trying. This was tried before, as many commenters offered raj a chance to follow up on links (he said he doesn’t read that stuff) or clarify what he has said. Instead, he drools on about boobs and how because he gets a stiffie, well hey! there must be a god. (I note he hasn’t said he ever gets a girl, just the wood.)
You came along, offered yet another chance, and what do we see? “Oh gee I don’t know.” Uh huh. More like, “Well after I finally was taught what peer review really is, I realized my hero has no peer reviewed research and is a total loser, but hey, I can’t say that! People might think I’m really really stupid.”
Rock on jonmilne and more power to you.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Where have I defined God? I have already said why and in which context I use the word God. Can’t repeat what I have already repeated 20 times.
And, what do you mean by:
“what precisely would be the point of having limitations placed on the human mind in order to understand God“.
Here is what I said:
“God CANNOT be defined or conceptualized. Not Possible. Or, let’s put it this way: Human minds have limitations placed upon them. The mind cannot understand God, and this is by God’s own design. **”
The mind has limitations placed on it, and because of these limitations, the mind CANNOT understand God. No matter how hard you try. Now when I say the cannot ‘understand’ God, it means the mind cannot comprehend what God is, how God operates, and why God does what God does. Which means, your questions, which are questions originating from your mind, cannot be answered.
Here is one example which I have given many times before. Can you use to mind to visualize something that you haven’t experienced with your sense before? For example, can you visualize the colour ultra-violet in its true form (not false colour)? Or, could you visualize or imagine existence without space and time? Can you imagine ‘what’ was ‘before’ the big bang?
And please, do some trimming and pruning on your future comments if it is possible.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:43 am
And please, no primary school science on the science behind colour perception, and the colour spectrum, would be highly appreciated.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:48 am
use your mind
FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads):
May 29th, 2012 at 5:48 am
But some of us, er well, I for one, enjoy Raj’s fapwittery. I normally don’t like comedy that relies on laughing at the misfortune of others but ‘Ol Raj here is just so blithely unaware about his transparency and idiocy that one cannot help but to laugh at him.
I mean seriously, how can one not at least giggle at a person so dense as to assert a position, then imply that it was a joke, only to subsequently reassert it like nothing had happened. The LOLs are even therapeutic in a way. I’ve suffered from depression off and on my whole life and at my lowest points I hated myself and everything I did to the point of being delusional, and still I somehow managed to be more compassionate, intelligent and aware than Raj. So hang in there mate, your humorous faux-intellectual jigs are doing wonders for my self esteem.
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:50 am
<smirk>
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Johnnie is back with his 20+ alter egos…
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:52 am
Just to tell people that I am a troll…
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:57 am
<smirk>
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:58 am
No, rajweefapster, you are doing that yourself.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:00 am
When you said god can’t be defined, in delicious irony. You made a definition…Fuckwitted idjits like you need to learn how to shut the fuck up, lest your foot enters your mouth..
Look in the mirror fuckwit…
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:06 am
We don’t have to tell people anything. You do that for us with your fuckwittery, stupidity, insipidity, and unintelligent posts. We don’t need to gild the lily.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:09 am
I have to use some word, Nerdy. God is the word I use. Can also use the Universe.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:11 am
And one more thing. I only read those comment which I reply. The rest, I just quickly ignore/skim over. Would that be considered a trollish behaviour?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:13 am
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=internet%20troll
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:14 am
And you are WRONG each and every time. What a loser…
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:14 am
And Jon, as for the language English, just look at the country where this language was originated. Stern faces with zombie-like expressions, and accent like a one-cylinder 5 horsepower Triumph engine coughing in cold weather.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Explain. Saying alone that I am WRONG is not enough. I can say the same about you. Here: Nerd, “you are WRONG each and every time. What a loser…”. Didn’t take much of an effort, did it?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:18 am
Rajkumar, you are now running circular fuckwittery, back where you started. You convinced nobody of your fuckwittery then, what the fuck makes you think our minds has changed in a couple of months? They haven’t. You still have nothing but unevidenced stupidity and insipid OPINION to offer to real scientists, who demand real evidence. You haven’t even learned what evidence is…
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:19 am
YOU DEFINED GOD IN TRYING TO PROVE GOD WAS INDEFINABLE….
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Why didn’t you watch the Alan Watts video then? You ask for links, and when I give links, you inform me you didn’t bother to have a look. What is your problem? Are you angry because … I don’t know. What’s wrong? Who stole your lone nut?
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:25 am
No. I didn’t. Replace the word ‘god’ with the word ‘universe’. When you say, the universe is indefinable, do you define the universe?
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:25 am
So that explains why he never figures anything out. He doesn’t read. Oh, and he’s a fapster.
FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads):
May 29th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Ah, now I haz sad. :..( Oh well, if he read everything he might begin to realise just how amusing his dancing is and deprive me of the healing LOLs.
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:48 am
You defined him as something that couldn’t be defined, and where as a result minds trying to define him are limited in how they can do so. But that’s STILL A DEFINITION. If you TRULY couldn’t define God for us, you’d simply say “I don’t know” and admit you’re either ignorant or being simply disingenuous on the subject. Either way, you’ve self-contradicted yourself.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Taking a wild guess and saying it’s the wider pelvis of the feminized skeleton.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Category error fuckwit. The universe is real. Your deity is imaginary existing only between your ears in your delusional and faultily operating mind. And your deity only exists there until you provide conclusive physical evidence otherwise, evidence that will pass muster with scientists, magicians, and professional debunkers, as being of divine, and not natural (scientifically explained), origin.
This has be explained to you before, and you are back to where you were when you arrived with such fuckwittery as above. Nothing has changed, and you should fade into the bandwidth.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Jon, I am very sorry, but I guess the first language/ not first language issue is creating some difficult problems here. Plus, I can’t keep up with your super long and overly detailed posts. Plus, I think you are someone’s alter ego. No point wasting time with you. I have only got one ego at the moment.
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Damn blockquote system. Fuck. Try again…
You defined him as something that couldn’t be defined, and where as a result minds trying to define him are limited in how they can do so. But that’s STILL A DEFINITION. If you TRULY couldn’t define God for us, you’d simply say “I don’t know” and admit you’re either ignorant or being simply disingenuous on the subject. Either way, you’ve self-contradicted yourself.
The bolded parts answer your question by what I mean. What purpose does it serve for “God” to make it so that it’s creation can’t understand exactly what it is? When crafting a supposedly “intelligently designed” world, what benefit exactly would it serve to God to have its created people not comprehend it, and what benefit would it serve to the people to be ignorant of the meaning of the supposedly existent God to which you posit?
My question was: What is the practicality of “limiting our minds” so that we “cannot understand God”? Nonetheless, even if one buys into the notion that your paragraph just there – rather than amounting to more obfuscation – is even remotely considerable as an actual answer to my question, we still have the problem that you’ve just self-contradicted yourself AGAIN.
On the one hand, you claim our minds are so limited that we can’t comprehend God, and yet nonetheless this is a God that you claim to worship. Which means that if that’s truly the case, then despite the fact you have a human mind and therefore have all the “limitations” you talked about, you regardless still seem to UNDERSTAND and COMPREHEND your God of choice enough to WORSHIP it. But by your own logic, that’s simply not possible. There’s close to zero sense in worshipping any of the Gods that have been given certain definitions of characteristics by some of the more main-stream religious cults. There’s ABSOLUTE ZERO sense in worshipping something that you yourself claim that you as a human absolutely do not understand.
You add an addendum to your point on colour, namely about I how apparently I should not present you with any stuff on the science behind colour perception and the colour spectrum.
What you’re pulling here is similar to something Ray Comfort did in his interview on the Atheist Experience, wherein Ray asked the AE hosts to give him evidence on evolution. I will display the link later on in my post, but what was particularly revealing about the exchange was that the hosts gave Ray some damn good evidence (namely to do with how the development of vaccines are aided, the great deal of transitional fossils, the DNA evidence, the observation of speciation in the lab including flies and bacteria) and Ray rejects all the evidence the hosts present based on his presuppositions despite it being perfectly valid.
That’s what you’re doing here by rejecting the scientific explanations of how colour spectrums and perceptions actually work. They don’t fit with your world-view, so you disregard them, despite having nothing remotely decent resembling evidence to offer as an alternative explanation.
As for what you say about the Big Bang, again I have to invoke the Ray Comfort/AE interview, namely the part where Ray asks the AE hosts “tell me what was in the beginning without saying I don’t know”. As RationalWiki points out: (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User:Feredir28/The_Atheist_Experience_debates_Ray_Comfort)
Without evidence, and proper application of the Scientific Process, you cannot just claim that your version of events is the truth. I’m sure I’m not the first person to say this to you, and I almost certainly won’t be the last, but the burden of proof is on YOU.
Sorry buddy, but to paraphrase a great mind, Richard Lenski when he was confronting Conservapedians on their similar level of ignorance and obfuscating and intellectual dishonesty that you’re displaying (especially since you disregarded the entire first half of my last post where I rip Scwartz to shreds):
“I offer this lengthy reply because we are educators as well as scientists. It is my sincere hope that some readers might learn something from this exchange, even if you do not.”
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Nerd, talk to me when you get your nut back. At the moment, you are acting like an old gramophone that is playing the same old record over and over again. Plus, your needle tends to get stuck more often that it should.
And it’s late. You know. Old habits. So, I must go.
See ya
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Oh, and Raj? As for your further post on the English, I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop stereotyping my country. Not everyone has the so called “stern” expressions you label us with, with many having perfectly happy expressions on their faces. And the accents vary across the entire United Kingdom, not to mention of course the entire United States.
There are plenty Indian stereotypes that I could sink so low as to use on you, but unlike you I do not to resort to any kind of xenophobia or racism. This is my first and last request for you to quit the xenophobia, otherwise I will pursue this as a complaint to Mr Myers with a view to getting you banned from the site. I know others enjoy the inane fapping you’ve engaged in, but rest assured if you don’t stop the negative stereotyping of the English, I will not take it at all well.
Much thanks,
Jon Milne
Louis:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Seriously, boring troll is boring.
{Claps hands}
New morons please!
Louis
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:07 am
And you aren’t stuck on stupidity, lies, bullshit, fuckwittery, idiocy, and proving to the world you are unemployable and not one you want in a hundred yards of their daughters?
You get off your broken record and stop trolling. Say something intelligent, like “I’m sorry I trolled, I’ll fade into the bandwidth”.
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:09 am
I’ve fixed my last post, and it’s only long because I’m making an honest effort to try and engage with you. As for “being someone’s alter-ergo”, as much as I wish I was the star of “The Dark Knight”, I can assure you I am my own person, and a check by Mr Myers on our respective IP addresses will confirm I am different in identity from other Pharyngulites.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:09 am
I’m not even sure Raj is actually indian despite the handle. I after all am not really a space parasite in real life…really. Honestly I’m not, why would you think that it’s just a nyme damnit!
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Annnnnnd off he goes! for as long as it takes for him to think everyone has forgotten his latest spew of fap.
He has asked for information before, and when someone puts together a beautiful reply, he wanders off.
“Gee, you talka talka too much!” he says, “And you make sense, and I cannot reply because you are right.”
Got him again jonmilne.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:11 am
@jon
hate to tell you this but you’re actually part of my hivemind. I split you off into a subroutine to deal with Raj while I slept and did more important things like poop
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:14 am
[meta]
jonmilne:
Ahem.
(Rhetorical flourishes are most efficacious when not redundant)
vaiyt:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:16 am
@raj
Your veiled accusations are transparent.
If you’re going to accuse someone of being a sockpuppet, do so directly, and say WHOM they are supposed to be a sockpuppet of.
FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads):
May 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Jonmilne:[detailed and cogent commemt]
Raj:[excuses and accusations]
And another laugh out loud moment, wheeee! Any bets on how long it takes the Rajfapster to claim his attempt at explaining his beliefs was a joke? Keep dancing Raj!
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Ing:
Of course you’re not even sure; you have no reliable data at all.
(That you apparently imagine it odd that someone who might be ethnically Indian would comment here is contrary to my model of your competence; not like ethnic Indians are a tiny minority in the Commonwealth, is it?)
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:21 am
[BTW]
vaiyt, hey!
(I’ve noticed your comments)
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 29th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Jon,
Hmmmmmmmm. I am wearing my Batman shirt today– maybe you are my alter-ego!
mikmik:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:23 am
So, Raj, you can understand the incomprehensible enough to explain it’s beyond our (atheist’s) understanding, but not direct, point by point, replies.
Then why are you only using your id?*
*Id, ego and super-ego are the three parts of the psychic apparatus defined in Sigmund Freud’s structural model of the psyche; they are the three theoretical constructs in terms of whose activity and interaction mental life is described. According to this model of the psyche, the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual trends; the ego is the organized, realistic part; and the super-ego plays the critical and moralizing role.
Anyways, you haven’t refuted my point: The super-ego and the ego are the product of two key factors: the state of helplessness of the child and the Oedipus complex.[21] Its formation takes place during the dissolution of the Oedipus complex and is formed by an identification with and internalisation of the father figure after the little boy cannot successfully hold the mother as a love-object out of fear of castration.
From, Id, ego and super-ego, a novelette by Dr. W. Pedia
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:27 am
[meta]
jonmilne,
It’s beneath you to feel any need to justify yourself to a troll; to the Horde, you don’t need to do so at all: it is your comments by which you are judged.
(Just sayin’)
FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads):
May 29th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Oh, it was only fifteen after ten pm in Melbourne at the time of his frightened flounce. I guess Raj is an early to bed early to rise sort. I guess it puts paid to the aphorism of health, wealthy and wise fame, ’cause he sure isn’t wise.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Um I didn’t say it was odd someone Indian would comment. I’d be surprised if there wasn’t lurkers and/or commentators. I said that his nyme wasn’t any indication he was Indian and missed any previous references to him being so. This level of reading comprehension fail is contrary to my model of your competence.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Thought I would reply this …
I am sorry for this trouble. You see, being a native English speaker, when you are talking to someone who does not speak English as a first language, please allow room for errors and misunderstandings. If I showed any signs of ‘racism’, I can assure you it was all unintentional. Blame the first language/ not first language problem. Plus, leave Indians out of it. I am not Indian. Just using the name Rajkumar, because I like it. Ing is right, for once and maybe for never to be right again.
And Nerd, I would say girls feel quite OK around me. I maybe a pervert, but I am not a dirty old scoundrel…. If girls want anyone to stare at their breasts, dirty old scoundrels are right down the bottom on their lists….
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Also technically you are all sock puppets as you’re all just figments of my imagination. That’s my belief and I challenge anyone to disprove it
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Ing,
Fair enough.
Ing is right.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:32 am
@Raj
You speak English damn well enough that this “zanny foreigner” shtick doesn’t fly.
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:33 am
@Ing:
Wait a second, what about that time you cut my hand off while I was perched on top of a narrow ledge and you revealed that you were my father?
No wait a second, I really need to stop smoking weed and watching Empire Strikes Back at the same time. Would have been an awesome development, especially if I’d ended up getting the robot hand Luke Skywalker got at the end of that movie, not to mention if it turned out you speak like James Earl Jones.
So hivemind huh? So as a facehugger created by you, who did I end up doing the “John Hurt Moment” from Alien on before becoming a fully grown member of the Hive?
Also meta question guys: who would you rather be? Alien vs Predator vs Colonial Marine? To me, sorry guys, but it has to be Predator. The temptations of being able to scale walls and potentially carry miniguns is tempting, but I think Predator’s gadgetry alone has to make being the Predator win out.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:36 am
@Jon
I have to hold back on giving a final judgement till I see Promethius. If one theory is correct we may actually see a perfectly formed mature form of the Xenomorph.
((One fan speculation is that the monster is going to be a perfect form of the Alien, with the others we see corrupted or incomplete due to mutation or non-ideal hosts))
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Rajkumar, I said nothing about how the girls felt? I mentioned how their fathers wouldn’t approve of an unemployable loser (or whatever the local venacular is) dating their daughters. You just can’t read, can you??? Why do you like showing the world how stupid you are?
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:37 am
specimen:
This, too, I believe.
(Ironic (if predictable) how he imagines he’s praising himself)
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Also I’m hoping they reveal Avatar is in the same verse…that way we may see Predators hunting Navi and vice versa
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Alien vs Predator vs Navi vs Marine vs Spacejocky? Best idea or worst idea :-p
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:48 am
OK. Sorry. Looks like you are in full armour and full combat mode tonight….Looking good.
By the way, you still live in the time when fathers used to approve how and who their daughters should date? Those times and trends are passé my friend.
“Dole Bludger” is the local vernacular. Dole means social security benefits. So it means, someone who doesn’t work but lives entirely on social security benefits.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:49 am
And I must go now.
Bye Nerdy.
FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads):
May 29th, 2012 at 7:51 am
vs Reavers vs Browncoats vs Slayer…
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am
And off he goes AGAIN.
Never seen that one before. Well, in the last 30 minutes.
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Apology accepted Raj… on the condition that you display SOME degree of intellectual honesty and address in full Post #541 that I directed towards you.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 29th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Just as passe as your imaginary deity.
myeck waters:
May 29th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Ing
There is no porn of me on the Internet.
Therefore, per Rule 34, You did not imagine me.
QED
Also, I thought it was obvious the xenomorphs ARE Naavi who have been deprived of their Spice.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 29th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Troller
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 10:38 am
In at least one stream of stupid by rajkumar, God had the quality of being the universe, as well as intelligent, self-aware, that planned and guided evolution.
The fucking dolt seems to think that as long as he doesn’t describe God as a white guy with a beard, he’s undefined.
“duh, I’m rajkumar, and I think flakey pantheism is novel and original.”
jonmilne:
May 29th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Wow, thanks Brownian. I mean, that was actually something I meant to address at some point, but that painted a picture perfect way of demonstrating just how seriously messed up Raj’s thinking has been throughout the entire exchange.
Wasn’t he also the one who said that God could only be experienced if you took a definitive quantity of a particular type of LSD? So there’s another definition. Course, what Raj missed was the obvious, even IF we have those specific variables that he mentioned, exactly how can he then prove that his experiences, or indeed any experience of anyone who takes those drugs, aren’t simply just as much of a hallucination as the experiences of those who take more or less quantities of any other mind altering substances?
Louis:
May 29th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Raj has yet to grasp “puff puff pass”.
It’s tough, but don’t bogart the joint, dude.
Awwww man, he’s bummed it as well.
Louis
vaiyt:
May 29th, 2012 at 11:32 am
And now Rajkumar, tired of trying the Argument From Drug Trip, the Argument From Guru and the Argument From Boobs, tries the classic Troll Defense.
I repeat, raj: from our point of view, there’s no functional difference between you being an idiot, and you acting just like an idiot to give you attention. Idiot is as idiot does.
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 11:33 am
And you say I painted a perfect picture. Thanks yourself!
;)
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Links to PRIMARY LITERATURE, fapwit.
Fapwit can say it, but that doesn’t make it true.
Shush, child.
The grown-ups are talking here.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Poor fapwit can’t remember?
Short term memory worse than a goldfish, (An Adam Savage goldfish).
Maybe this is another “prank”.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Fapwit’s just “pranking” on the “doesn’t understand english words” meme.
Fapfapfap.
Strewth:
May 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Raj, to ‘define’ something is to assign it properties.
‘Cannot be defined’ is, perhaps paradoxically, a property.
So saying something cannot be defined is self-defeating, as it still defines what you are talking about.
But apart from that, you have at various times associated other properties with the word ‘god’.
The property of having intelligence and
the property of being the universe are two in recent memory.
I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that a language barrier might be inhibiting you here, but I and others are pointing out that previously in this thread you have said that god is indefinable, then proceeded to define it.
Your words are in contradiction to themselves.
Now that any misunderstanding of the English usage of ‘define’ is cleared up, I hope that no further confusion will occur.
Otherwise, well, have you heard this explanation for the difference between ignorance and stupidity? Ignorance is falling in a hole you did not know was there. Stupidity is falling in one you were well aware of.
theophontes 777:
May 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
{enter theophontes stage right}
*whistles*
{notices louis all of a sardine}
Oh GAWD ™ !!!*cough*
{faint twinge of superciliousness} Hi Louis! Nice cap you have there…
{thinks:”mmmh, time to bring out the long bus”}
theophontes 777:
May 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
An old trick on TZT. DH666 used to use the bullshit.
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Raj
Do you believe in outer space gremlins Raj? If not, why not? Your case for god should work equally well for them.
No, but it doesn’t matter. I don’t have to experience it directly in order to measure it, and rationalize it as a form of electromagnetic radiation similar to light in all but wavelength. We’ve been through this with the electron example. Its good to see that you haven’t learned a damn thing since then. How do you manange it? Do you like being ignorant and self deluded?
Existence without space and time is a contradiction. Existence is a state of affairs defined by being within space and time.
Because space and time began at the big bang, it is probably meaningless to talk about a “before”. If the big bang truly is the beginning of space and time and the observable universe is not part of a larger system, then talking about a “before” is really just denying that the big bang was the beginning*. Our knowledge of mathematics tempts us to think that we can extrapolate time infinitely in both directions, but that may not be physically reasonable.
If the universe is part of a larger system, then it is very difficult to imagine how we could test any hypotheses we might make about what that system is, or what is true of it.
—
Why do you bother repeating yourself? We’ve already been down this line of reasoning with you, and you’ve been answered. You apparently didn’t bother to look into the replies you got AT ALL.
If you are content being ignorant and self deluded, then kindly fuck off and stop wasting our time.
—
*I’ve heard of physical theories in which the big bang is not actually the beginning. As I understand it, however, these pertain to the state of spacetime as it may have existed before the big bang, and not some sort of precondition to spacetime.
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Oh, Jesus fuck, what a fucking half-wit.
For those of us whose parents aren’t the sibling children of sibling parents, this is yet another quality rajkumar has assigned, based on no fucking evidence whatsofucking ever, to his ‘undefined’ god.
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Ugh. I apologise for my ableist comment, and specifically to any descendents of a recently incestuous lineage.
Ogvorbis:
May 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Raj doesn’t seem to realize that the universe is definable, so if gods is the universe, gods is definable.
Dumber than a poke full a hammers.
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 29th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Louis
If he ever gives that thing up, I’d be careful with it. For all we know he’s growing his pot in vats of wastewater from a thermometer factory.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Funny how convenient these types of “arguments” are. Especially when you have nothing else.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
May 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Xenomorph, hands-down. Xenomorphs are hella sexy. And I’ve always wanted to have a second pair of extendable jaws for a tongue (who the fuck wouldn’t, seriously?)
So yeah, sexy Xenomorph, for sure.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 29th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Raj,
*headdesk*
It’s nice to know that you completely ignored the link I posted on the last page. There are scientists working on this question as we fucking speak. One of the thoughts is that our universe is contained within a black hole (which helps explain where pesky things like matter and time came from), which would mean that before the big bang, there was a parent universe that had a star collapse.
See? It’s not impossible to imagine such things. Maybe for you, but we all know that you’re a moron.
kemist, Dark Lord of the Sith:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
From what we know of how a brain – and especially a visual cortex – works, this makes no sense.
The brain is an organ that processes electrical signals. Where they come from has no importance whatoever in how it does it.
For instance someone’s auditory cortex can receive a signal from a functional ear or from an electronic prosthesis. Technology is a bit less advanced for visual prostheses, but rudimentary ones have been tried with success.
More importantly, the visual cortex has been shown to be highly programmable. Echolocation, despite its use of sound rather than light, makes use of the visual cortex. Some animals which have organs capable of detecting electrical fields, also make use of the same visual cortex.
Neither sounds nor electrical fields have “colors” as we can define them. But if humans used them for spacial detection via the visual cortex, “colors” would designate a whole other thing than specific wavelenghts in a narrow spectrum of electromagnetic waves.
Why does that mean your question makes no sense ?
Because the way we see colors has nothing whatsoever to do with the “true nature” of anything.
It’s an electrical signal that comes from a light detector (eyes) that is processed by the visual cortex.
Caine, Uppity MQ:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Nigel! :tackle hugs: Miss you. ♥
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Can you imagine ‘what’ was ‘before’ the big bang?
yes.
what I’m having real trouble imagining is just how much stupid you will show us before this thread finally is put down.
your stupid already burns hotter than the sun.
will it be a supernova of stupid?
a gamma ray burst of stupid?
a galactic core black hole of stupid?
I really can’t imagine.
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
I would say girls feel quite OK around me
sorry, but your mom doesn’t count.
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I have to use some word, Nerdy. God is the word I use. Can also use the Universe.
the universe??
explaining something as “all” is the exact equivalent of explaining nothing.
…the stupid burns a notch brighter.
*puts on 55 sunblock*
opposablethumbs:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
eeuw, TLC!
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
kemist, Dark Lord of the Sith
The Short answer is: we cannot visualize ultra-violet, because we don’t know what it looks like. Our eyes can’t see it.
Similarly, someone who is red-green colour-blind cannot visualize green, because he/she cannot see this colour. Now, try ‘defining’ the colour green to a red/green colour blind person. Not the science of colour perception, but describe to him/her the ‘greenness’ of the colour green. Can you do that? Of course, you can’t. That colour blind MUST experience that colour subjectively in order to know what the ‘greenness’ of the colour green is. Same principle at work when we talk about God. The theory is, by going subjective experiences that fall in the category of NDEs, and spiritual experiences, a person can get to ‘know’ God. But these experiences cannot be later defined or described to other people. Hence, God cannot be defined or described or conceptualized, but MUST be experienced subjectively. Don’t ask me why. I didn’t design the whole process. Just trying to understand what the process is.
But the important point is, those gods that you guys reject, those little thingies in your minds, I reject them too. All of them.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Really? I said, try to imagine existence without ‘space and time’. As far as I can see, you are still imagining ‘things’ in ‘space and time’. Try to imagine ‘no things’ in ‘no space and no time’. Come on. Let the scientists do their job. From your reply, it is obvious you have no affiliations with science whatsoever.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
going through subjective
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Aww, rajkumar thinks he’s novel in making the nonsensical claim “qualia, therefore god is whatever I want it to be.”
His naïvité would almost be cute were he not so aggressive in his obliviousness. For someone who’s so convinced that his god concept is mind-blowingly non-Western he sure doesn’t seem to mind retreading PHIL 101 ground.
Just to shake things up, rajkumar, try invoking more Zen in your non sequiturs.
Here’s one that I’m sure you’ll find pleasing in its misogyny and ties directly into your “boobies therefore god” argument:
“A beautiful woman who is pleasing to men is good only for frightening fish when she falls into the water.”
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
No, you don’t. You continue to claim that you haven’t defined god, and yet you have, multiple times.
A universe which is self-aware, intelligent, does things, and does them with purpose?
I, and a great many others here, reject that god.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Sorry, if you don’t get a reply from me from this point on. You are acting extremely stupid. Can’t keep up with you, not matter how hard I try. But then, since the circus always wins, you can have me banned if you like… poor me.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Before it was your bogus mind-blowingly nonsensical ravings and boastings about you and your drugs, now it is your extremely poor comprehension. But hang me, maybe it is the same old first language / not first language problem at work… In that case, you better stick with those who speak English as a first language, I would say.
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I’ll file that next to “The god that designed us to not be able to detect it.”
But tell me more about me. I’m my favourite subject.
That’s the most sensible and true thing you’ve ever said.
Can I? Boy, you’re just apportioning out godlike powers left, right, and centre.
'Tis Himself:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Is River Tam a Browncoat?
cm's changeable moniker:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Dr AudleyZD, any chance you could repost the link? (I went through both pages of this thread and both pages of the last one and didn’t spot it.)
The reason I ask is that having read that idea in a John Gribbin book, I’m wondering if it holds up WRT black hole evaporation.
(Aside, while researching that, I found out that apparently
… at which point my brain exploded slightly. Physics hurts.)
Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Having raj insult your scientific knowledge is like having Jeffrey Skilling insult your ethics.
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Or perhaps the universe designed you to be too stupid to know how stupid you are.
Can you imagine not being stupid, rajkumar? Can you even describe it?
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
The Short answer is: we cannot visualize ultra-violet, because we don’t know what it looks like. Our eyes can’t see it.
but devices and other organisms can, and we understand how these things react to that range of visual frequencies, so your analogy fails, yet again.
for the same reason your colorblind analogy fails.
are you still pranking?
lying?
just being a complete fuckwit that lives in his parent’s basement?
I can’t imagine which.
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Can’t keep up with you, not matter how hard I try.
I’m betting you’d have problems keeping up with various species of small rodents.
'Tis Himself:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Brownian #114
Somehow I suspect women’s breasts will not be involved in Raj not being stupid.
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Not necessarily so.
A cat in a harness on a leash doesn’t understand that it is tethered, only that is is restrained from behind. So the cat, using the same old tactics as it always has to escape, runs through and around as many obstacles as it can, tangling itself even more in the process, and restraining itself even more. If the cat were to dutifully follow the cord back to the beginning, it could roam as free as the limits of its tether would allow.
I’d bet rajkumar would make an excellent mouser, were he able to understand just how he’d knotted his cat’s cradle.
cm's changeable moniker:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
rajkumar:
You know what, if English is not your first language, try posting in your actual first language.
You might be surprised by the response.
Challenge made.
Challenge accepted?
ryanwilkinson:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
To Life is like…
Links to video game violence argument/discussions/articles/whatever, please? *Whatever the most polite way to phrase this is*
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Of course we can visualize what ultra-violet looks like. It looks like air (to a human), as do all other invisible things.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Whose?
It was the fapwit who brought up the subject of drugs in the first place.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 29th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
cm:
That is my bad. I linked to it somewhere on Pharyngula, but apparently it was aimed at another godbot in a different thread and not our current idiot (this is what I get for posting on my phone while at work while having a crappy day). But I will certainly link to the story for you!
Every black hole contains a new universe
It’s not a link to the research, but it’s an intriguing idea, nonetheless. And my point is that just because our lovely friend Raj can’t imagine what came before the universe, doesn’t mean that no one can or that it’s an question that we can’t solve.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Fapwit has no response, so fapwit runs away.
Pathetic coward.
Fapfap.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Another lie by the fapwit.
Fapwit’s not trying to understanding ANYTHING. People who are honestly trying to understand things don’t behave the way the fapwit behaves.
They don’t “prank”, for one thing.
Ogvorbis:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Raj will be back. He’s like the bad guy in a shitty horror movie. Even if he died, he’d resurrect hirself for the next sequal.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
That which cannot be defined or described to another person cannot be distinguished from a lie.
Indistinguishability from a lie is functionally the same as nonexistence.
If you have a subjective experience that you cannot define and cannot describe to me, that’s all well and good for you, but it begs the question, why are you bothering to try and tell me about it, and why should I care?
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
And the got his ass handed to him.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Quiet, kiddo.
The grown-ups are talking.
That’s a nuanced topic not mental-age appropriate for minds as immature as yours.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
And then mistook the paired, rounded forms for breasts.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
But when it comes back, it will pretend that latter conversation never happened, which is another form of running away.
Ogvorbis:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I seem to remember, rather early on in the infestation, Rajkumar was asked about that and insisted that English was his first language and got a bit miffed at the idea. Not that we actually expect honesty from Raj.
kemist, Dark Lord of the Sith:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
In other words, you don’t get it.
All these things about how others see things that are blue or red might seem like deep philosophical questions but are essentially senseless if you understand that a brain processes electrical signals and not light.
For all intent and purposes, if your brain was standing in a dark jar receiving electrical stimuli by wires, “red” and “blue” would seem just as real to you as they would as signals originating from your retinas.
Also, were your eyes replaced by a light sensor with a window of detection shifted towards UV and generating electrical signals that your visual cortex can make sense of, “blue” and “red” would have a completely different meaning as per their wavelenghts.
consciousness razor:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Sounds pretty bullshitty to me, but I don’t know.
No, raj isn’t my lovely friend. But I agree with the rest. :)
From the article…
I do not grok this. The arrow of time is usually identified with increasing entropy. The existence of only one direction for motion would probably have some strange effects (like torsion, maybe, whatever it is), but I don’t get how that’s supposed to explain the arrow of time.
????
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 29th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
cm:
I can’t explain it, either, and trust me physics isn’t my strong suit. I thought it was an intriguing idea. *shrugs*
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
No, I don’t remember saying that, since I have no warm feelings toward this language. I am using this language only because it is the only language most of you speak or understand, I suppose.
But what is my first language, as some of you curiously ask? I have no first language I think. I grew up in a house where mom and dad spoke different languages, so it kind of got all mixed up. So, every language that I speak, is not my first language. It can’t be, because it will be always a mix of two or more languages. Kind of messy, isn’t it?
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Please spare me the high school science…. I have already read enough of it here on this blog. Maybe it is you who didn’t understand the example. Try again.
cm's changeable moniker:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Dr AZD, you mean “cr”, right?
consciousness razor:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Mantis shrimp have 16 different photoreceptors (compared to 3 for most humans). That is how we know they can distinguish frequencies we can’t, as well as polarized light. We do not interview them. We don’t ask them to describe their experiences or define the colors for us. Only stupid trolls like raj would do that. We just look at their eyes and the rest of their visual systems. And we already knew those frequencies exist, without any help from the shrimp, because we can detect those frequencies with other instruments and because their existence is consistent with the rest of physics.
cm's changeable moniker:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
You’re hopeless.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel):
May 29th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
:D
Why, yes I do mean cr.
Blast! I’m just off of my game today. :p
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
If you learned multiple languages at a young age, typically before the age of five, they may all constitute first languages. Multiliguality intue home is not uncommon.
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Maybe the universe designed you to be too stupid to comprehend how stupid you are.
Try again.
kemist, Dark Lord of the Sith:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
You really didn’t understand a single word of what I wrote.
If you want to understand what colors are, of course you have to work with the science of color perception. Colors as we experience them via our hardware (eyes) are specific wavelenghts in the visible spectrum. “Greenness” is just that particular electrical signal associated with what a green cone generates when it is hit with a photon of a certain wavelenght.
“Vizualizing” means interpreting that electrical signal into space. That part doesn’t involve light in any way. “Greenness” doesn’t mean anything absolute in this context – it means any electrical input similar to that generated by a green cone. The stimuli does not matter.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Oh Brownian. In an ideal environment, maybe yes. But you don’t know how messy it can get when both your parents are trying to shove their values and principles down your throat, insisting only one of them is right. But, as you can see, English can’t be called my first language precisely because those who speak it as a first language can eventually sense the difference. See, you get some points here.
kemist, Dark Lord of the Sith:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Meh.
Dunning-Krugger it is.
cm's changeable moniker:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Unkilling for one comment:
A girlfriend grew up in a quadri-lingual household.
Thai, Malay, Hokkien, and English.
And she always made more sense than you.
Sheesh.
You’re posting bullshit in Esperanto.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
What you are saying is right, but this is a different topic all together. What I am saying is ‘completely’ different. COMPLETELY different. This is precisely what happened the last time I gave this example. All of you bombarded me with your Wikipedian arsenal. I don’t want to go through all of that again. Please. If you think you are right and I am wrong, consider yourself a victor!
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
How does one describe the “greenness” of green to someone who has never seen green before.
It’s easy. Parents do it ALL THE TIME.
You show something that is green to your subject and tell him “this is green”.
How do you demonstrate the factual existence of a subjective qualia as something with relevance beyond your own personal imagination? You create a situation in objective reality wherein someone else can have their own subjective experience of it.
And yes, this works with color-blind people too, as has already been explained.
And what is required for green is required for god. You want to demonstrate that your subjective god that can only be experienced and not described in words to me? Show me. Give me the subjective experience of it.
All subjective qualia that are real and not imaginary can be shared.
(Do not reply to this, fapwit. You must accumulate several decades-equivalent more of intellectual maturity before you are qualified to comment on this.)
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 29th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
ryanwilkinson,
Basically, he acts like this article is a catch-all answer to any evidence that video games cause aggression.
And maybe it was, when it was written in 1998. I don’t know, I haven’t looked into that.
There’s better evidence these days, though, like this study from 2010. If you want to read that, and it’s not accessible to you, I’ll put up a PDF you can download.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
No it is not. Fapwit twists itself into knots trying to pretend they are different, and fails.
Fapwit lies again.
Fapwit exposes its intellectual dishonesty yet again. If it cannot answer the criticism, it runs away.
And admits it’s too ignorant to even understand high school level science.
And lies again.
Then stop using the discredited example over and over again, fapwit.
consciousness razor:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
raj, which languages did you grow up using, other than English? You don’t need to call any of them your “first” language, but you haven’t answered the question.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Not until you show some intellectual honesty, fapwit, and acknowledge defeat by stopping the repeated use of the same defeated argument over and over again.
We DON’T CARE about ourselves being “victorious”. If we wanted that, we could have declared victory after your first useless post and killfiled you right then and there.
We want YOU to stop being intellectually dishonest with us and yourself, and actually grow a little as a human being. Failing that, we want others to observe the ridiculous example you have made of yourself and learn not to follow into the unethical pit you have dug or yourself.
We do this so that other people may derive benefit from it.
So until then, bombs away.
Hurinomyces bruxellensis:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Raj
Everyone here gets it. You are trying to illustrate this idiotic notion that we wouldn’t be able to detect or measure god without having some sort of specific definition of god beforehand.
We keep bringing up science because if your argument was anything more than self indulgent masturbation, most of it wouldn’t exist.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
So the fapwit basically admits that it is not literate in ANY language, and is blaming its parents for this.
Real classy.
Pitiful.
John Morales:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Ichthyic sneers at the specimen: “I’m betting you’d have problems keeping up with various species of small rodents.”
Time for a musical interlude, it seems.
Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I don’t have to. But since you insist, one of those languages was Punjabi, spoken widely in India/Pakistan/Canada.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
This is, of course, the point. And why the fapwit lacks the self-control to stop lingering here.
Even before the segue into boobies, it was obvious.
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict
Aye, an’ a bit of Mackeral settler rack and ruin ran it doon by the haim!
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
So the fapwit basically admits that it is not literate in ANY language, and is blaming its parents for this.
…all while living in parent’s basement.
chigau (違う):
May 29th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
[meta]
John Morales
re Pink Floyd
Sometimes it frightens me how much I think like you.
:-)
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Please spare me the high school science…. I have already read enough of it here on this blog
but it’s obviously not sinking in, so clearly we need to adjust our presentations downward.
right, primary school level science it is then.
er, anyone here teach elementary science?
ryanwilkinson:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I’ve always been quite strongly of the opinion that violence in video games doesn’t cause people to be violent, anymore than magic in video games causes people to be magic.
We all have tendencies to think about doing extremely violent things to people I’m sure, and video games are just a nice fantasy outlet.
That someone puts some louder noise through a headphone after playing a video game doesn’t really affect my standing on this.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
What you need to do is, relax a little and call back all of you alter egos to your primary ego.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Sorry… YOUR not YOU.
Ichthyic:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
What you need to do is, relax a little and call back all of you alter egos to your primary ego.
what you need to do is smoke less pot and read less Jung.
rajkumar:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
For $20 a gram? No, mate. Have you been to India or Pakistan? The Pakistani capital Islamabad is literally situated in a jungle of cannabis. It grows EVERYWHERE. Even in police stations. Go to any shrine on Thursday. Drinks made from kilos of fresh cannabis are offered to tourists for FREE.
As for Jung, I don’t read him any more.
Amphiox:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Fapwit’s still fapping.
*yawn*
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 29th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
You are either aware that it is possible to be violent but not possible to be magical, in which case you know you’re making a bad analogy,
or you believe in magic, in which case, hmmm, I guess that’s kind of cute.
Painfully loud noise. It’s a variation on the old Milgram technique.
Anyway, that one was a measure of aggression, obviously not physical violence. But it’s interesting, in that it would also be interesting if it didn’t cause any difference in aggression — if the experiment had shown no effect, you’d probably consider that to support your assumption.
Interesting questions include just how much aggression do violent video games cause, how long does the effect last, and what mediates the effect.
ryanwilkinson:
May 29th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I know it’s a bad analogy haha, it was tongue in cheek, fear not.
I don’t think there’s a link between someone playing video games; and someone committing crimes. Maybe they raise aggression, this article seems to be firmly of the opinion that they do; but is aggression a bad thing?
There are hundreds of studies, some saying they do, some saying they don’t. It’s quite hard to judge based on that, but just based on personal experience (bad I know), violent video games are fine.
It’s difficult video games that cause aggression.
Besides, violence in media and art is ubiquitous, it’s almost essential as a primary conflict, and very rarely is it ‘hey, war’s great!’ or ‘hey, kicking people in the street is great!’ It tends to be demonised. Less so in video-games, but, excluding the odd war-game, most of the violence is pretty fantastical.
life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ:
May 29th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
I didn’t claim otherwise, although such a link would be hard to demonstrate even if it existed.
This aggression manifested as an attempt to cause pain to other people.
Yes that is a bad thing.
Sure, in my experience, I’m not aware of violent video games ever causing me to hurt someone. But even considering that as a datum, introspection is unreliable.
XD
True.
Less so in video games, yes. “Additionally, there are theoretical reasons to believe that videogame effects should be stronger than movie or television violence effects.”
We know that human behavior can be influenced by disembodied pictures of eyes, so I wouldn’t place much importance on the fantastic nature of video game violence.
+++++
This paper finds that endorsement of traditional masculinity ideologies mediate the relationship, but unfortunately I can’t download it:
http://mensstudies.metapress.com/content/d81v83320t11112u/
consciousness razor:
May 29th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Oh fucking please. I have ryan killfiled, and this is the kind of shit I’m missing?
Jadehawk, chef d’orchestre féministe:
May 29th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
*blink*
I can’t tell whether you think magic is real or violence is make-believe
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Mass Effect definitely made me more aggressive
I half kid, but it did piss me off more than a movie or book would have for exactly the same reasons it was effective as media. Videogames engage the user’s agency. With a story that can go a long ways to emotionally invest the user.
Ing: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream So I Comment Instead:
May 29th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
@Ryan
For reference take “Han Shot First”. Now imagine how that would be if each viewer decided on their own whether Han sucker shots Greedo or waits for him to draw. It is different because one just engages the brain to sit back and enjoy and the other engages by the brain by making it decide what happens.
Brownian:
May 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
I do understand that, to some degree. Uniligual as I am, i am also the product of two cultures, though perhaps not as dissimilar as yours may have been.
But I apologise if I over-simplified your childhood. It sounds like you had a tough time. I’m sorry for that.
rajkumar:
May 30th, 2012 at 3:24 am
Oh No need to apologise, Brownian, Yes. I did have a tough time as a child. But then, which child did not? Having said this, I may have experienced tough times as a child, but I am quite sure I was much more of a nuisance to my parents than they were to me! Wouldn’t you agree…? So, who is right? The child or the parent?
John Morales:
May 30th, 2012 at 3:39 am
rajkumar:
Stupid and false dichotomy.
(Try asking which is better informed and more comptetent, for your answer)
rajkumar:
May 30th, 2012 at 4:10 am
Sorry, Johnnie, I don’t do cryptic crosswords. But give me some more clues, and I’ll try to solve your latest puzzle.
John Morales:
May 30th, 2012 at 4:20 am
[Crypsis is cryptic, to some]
(and suggestions are suggestive, to most)
rajkumar:
May 30th, 2012 at 4:26 am
More mumbo jumbo?
By the way, how would you know how ‘most’ see your comments?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 30th, 2012 at 4:59 am
I see rajkumar is as stupid, illogical, and incomprehensible as ever. Can’t understand that it has no point, can’t explain its point if it had one, and sounds like it has taken too many hits from its bong. It should just sit in the corner instead of trying to communicate, which it can’t. It is repeating itself, and going in circles.
rajkumar:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:05 am
Not my fault if see your own reflection in me. Forget everything I said about you in the past. I now see you as wise, intelligent, creative, with excellent communication skills — someone who should never stop talking. Plus, girls find you extremely sexy and sexually irresistible — sizzling, and smoking hot, if you will.
Ichthyic:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:12 am
Plus, girls find you extremely sexy and sexually irresistible — sizzling, and smoking hot, if you will.
and Raj knows!
he watches porn in his parent’s basement.
Ichthyic:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:16 am
I am quite sure I
wasAM much more of a nuisance to my parents than they [ever] were to me!ftfy.
you are still living in your parent’s basement, after all.
rajkumar:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:18 am
I think Americans are the only people in the world who would categorize and classify ‘porn’ as sexy.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:23 am
I see nothing a stupid circular thinking fuckwit like yourself. Our refutations are circular, following your circular stupidity. You have nothing cogent to say, just bong headed irrelevancies. Not even a good stoner movie.
Say something new, or shut the fuck up. You allegedly came here to teach, but have nothing to teach but fuckwittery and stupidity, which we rightly mock. Your choice cricket, but you shutting the fuck up sounds like your only intelligent option.
rajkumar:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Nerd, if only you knew that you mock no one but yourself. Everything you say reflects your own personality, your own self. So, I don’t really mind this so-called ‘mocking’. Keep doing this.
rajkumar:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:35 am
And I allegedly came here to teach? No, I came here to learn. I learned how to take extreme stupidity without reacting to it.
Louis:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:35 am
I am sat here making “bdrrr bdrrr” noises with my fingers and lips.
I just thought everyone needed to know that.
Louis
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:40 am
Nope, it mocks your personality, and doesn’t reflect mine. You are WRONG as usual. Not being right even once should make you think about not posting any more. What a loser.
Fixed that for you loser. In order to learn, you must shut the fuck up and listen. You can’t shut the fuck up. The only stupidity here is you and your fuckwittery. The regulars are intelligent and rational. And that leaves you out. Try silence, the only hope of the incompetent, and those trying to learn…or you acknowledge lying and bullshitting to us…
rajkumar:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:46 am
No, I won’t acknowledge that, because I wasn’t doing anything like that. I also won’t agree with your statement about ‘the regulars’. Not saying the regulars are not intelligent and rational…. but they have probably locked their intelligence and rationality in secure lockers … lest they might lose it forever. And this, of course, includes you.
But I think this place is losing its charm for me. So, maybe, your wish will have finally come true in a short period of time.
pentatomid:
May 30th, 2012 at 5:59 am
But Raj, you misunderstand. You see:
(start eighties synthesizer music)
I’m a one track lover… down a two way laaane.
Drivin’ fast down the highway… Must’ve been insaaane.
‘Cos the temperature’s too high, traveling waaay too fast!
And I knew our lovin’… was too hot to last! (/eighties synthesizer music)
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
May 30th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Still can’t shut the fuck up rajkumar. Trolling, not learning…
PZ Myers:
May 30th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Ugh. This one is dead, another one pops up.