With No Labels, the Democratic maverick is still trying to foil liberals and challenge the party — even if that means threatening to throw a wrench into the 2024 campaign…
This is the first story I saw about it. It isn’t kind. But, it does factually remind us that his selfish arrogance cost so many people their health and maybe their lives as well as enabling the destruction of ‘the shrub’s mission accomplished’:
https://mockpaperscissors.com/2024/03/27/no-labels-no-living/
Posted on March 27, 2024 by tengrain
Traitor Joe is gone, and not a moment too soon. Can you feel the Joementum?
And before you scold me for speaking ill of the dead, recall that I spoke ill of him in life and I’m not about to stop now. Always recall that this bastard is why we do not have a public option as part of Obamacare, and one can make the case that Traitor Joe was too busy scolding Clinton to accept any campaign help from a popular president, and that he thus helped elect Chimpy McStagger and all the horror that that entailed.
While No Labels, his latest plan to eff over Democrats, is still rat-eff’ing along, I will continue to rail against Lieberman for getting No Labels going. Now he’s gone, and he won’t be missed.
I still wonder how very different history and the world we live in now might be had Gore-Lieberman got those precious few extra votes they needed back in the 2000 USA presidential election. Sigh.
Yeah, I do blame Nader and for good mathematical reasons see :
Wonder if Lieberman could’ve become POTUS in the alternate time line where Gore won 2000 – or rather won by enough to overcome the Electoral College. Sure would be nice if the USA decided Democracy actually means one person one vote not Wyoming 3 and half votes to every Californian one. (see : https://www.huffpost.com/entry/its-time-to-end-the-electoral-college_b_12891764 Dunno how different things are now or inwhich direction. Suspect worse.)
Why do the populous majority American states put up with it?
birgerjohanssonsays
Narcissistic politicians messing up the course of history?
There are several such persons in US history that resemble the role of Alcibiades in the Peloponnesian war (turning success to disaster).
If you are surprised, you are probably unaware that Lyndon Johnson was close to a peace deal with North Vietnam. That would have ruined the chances of the Republicsn candidate, so they ‘fixed’ it.
The Republicans sabotaged it by telling South Vietnam they would get them a more favorable peace deal (they did not). And thus Nixon won the election.
Cambodia and Laos were brought into the war. Twice as many Americans died.
At the end USA had lost the will to enforce the terms of the peace deal, with bad consequences (especially for the cambodians).
Lyndon Johnsons ‘great society’ welfare state foundered as the war ate up the economy, leaving no resources to more than an anemic version.
Soon, Ronald Reagan rode the wave of cultural backlash and destroyed the legacy of ‘the New Deal’.
So much harm caused by a single act of sabotage, and it is not in American history books.
I live on another continent but I remember it.
There are many, many other examples in US history but I cannot be arsed to write more.
birgerjohanssonsays
Myself @ 10
For other ‘Alcibiades wannabees’, see the awful role of the Duke of Austria during the first mongol invasion of Hungary.
.
More recently, see how the post-Lincoln presidents fucked up the South and the situation for the blacks. It would not have taken much effort of Ulysses Grant and the others to do the right thing, but they could not be bothered. Thus, USA carried the scars left by slavery for an additional century.
.
Or Basil Zaharoff, the owner of Vickers and how he dragged Greece into WWI which resulted in the greeks in Asia Minor eventually getting subjected to ethnic cleansing.
“vacillating between the two”, I see what you did there. Good one.
Akira MacKenziesays
Duplicitous. Performative. Back-stabbing.
Wait are you complaining about? He’s the perfect Democratic politician.
stuffinsays
Joe Lieberman annoyed me, much like Manchin of today.
nomdeplumesays
A lot of obituaries today from mainstream media saying what a wonderful man he was… Oh, and he nearly became McCain’s running mate and then they would have won. Think of that as an alternative timeline…
Wait are you complaining about? He’s the perfect Democratic politician.
What do you think people are complaining about? Perhaps you’d earn some trust by showing that you have even the slightest understanding of what people think.
If you think there’s any point in further discussion, then make an attempt at genuine engagement.
If not, why bother?
bcw bcwsays
He personally killed the medicare at 55 plan for Obamacare to make the insurance companies happy.
That said, “No Labels” finally has just the right Presidential candidate for them: Joe Lieberman.
bcw bcwsays
New York Times Pitchbot:
“Out of respect for Joe Lieberman’s family, the early runs of our obituary will downplay his killing of the Obamacare public option, warmongering in Iraq, championing of Betsy DeVos, lobbying for China’s ZTE, and co-chairmanship of No Labels.”
Kim mere pointing out that your voting choices don’t match your supposed leftism.
With very few exceptions, the Democratic Party is a centrist capitalist party that pretends to nice to minorities for votes. Most Dems are more like Lieberman than AOC. They only care about progress If it gets them elected, but not enough to actually, permanently fix the problem or inconvenience the parasites in the upper class,
They don’t really care about you. They will not bring the change our civilization needs (I.e. socialism). They will sell you down the river to maintain a majority for good little centrists like them.
They only care about progress If it gets them elected…
And actually, as the Republican agenda becomes more exposed to more people as nothing but scams and bullshit, we’re starting to realize that, yes, we really CAN win elections by being progressive and left-of-center.
Kim mere pointing out that your voting choices don’t match your supposed leftism.
Okay, tell us what YOUR voting choices got us.
Praxsays
@Akira McKenzie #19,
Most Dems are more like Lieberman than AOC.
What? Lieberman lost the 2006 Democratic primary in his state because he was too conservative, ran as a third-party candidate instead, and won the general election with support from independents and Republicans. The whole reason he left the party is that most Dems are not like him.
Yet again, this demonstrates that the Democrats are about as left-wing as they can be and still have a chance of winning a large-scale US election. Any third-party candidate who can beat them will be more conservative, not less. See also: George Wallace and Ross Perot.
In line with recent discussions, I think it’s fair to say: He was better than some, but not as good as he should have been.
November 7, 2023:
Joe Lieberman will not leave his fellow Democrats alone
May he rest in dirt.
Hell is other Republicans…
He’s an INDEPENDENT and NO LABELS guy — which means he’ll still be vacillating between Heaven and Hell even after the choice is made for him.
The phrase “with friends like him, who needs enemies?” comes to mind….
This is the first story I saw about it. It isn’t kind. But, it does factually remind us that his selfish arrogance cost so many people their health and maybe their lives as well as enabling the destruction of ‘the shrub’s mission accomplished’:
https://mockpaperscissors.com/2024/03/27/no-labels-no-living/
Posted on March 27, 2024 by tengrain
Traitor Joe is gone, and not a moment too soon. Can you feel the Joementum?
And before you scold me for speaking ill of the dead, recall that I spoke ill of him in life and I’m not about to stop now. Always recall that this bastard is why we do not have a public option as part of Obamacare, and one can make the case that Traitor Joe was too busy scolding Clinton to accept any campaign help from a popular president, and that he thus helped elect Chimpy McStagger and all the horror that that entailed.
While No Labels, his latest plan to eff over Democrats, is still rat-eff’ing along, I will continue to rail against Lieberman for getting No Labels going. Now he’s gone, and he won’t be missed.
My favorite eulogy for Holy Joe.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/03/the-ballad-of-buckleys-blowhard
Thank you @shermanj and @Bruce Fuentes.
I still wonder how very different history and the world we live in now might be had Gore-Lieberman got those precious few extra votes they needed back in the 2000 USA presidential election. Sigh.
Yeah, I do blame Nader and for good mathematical reasons see :
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2024/03/25/does-anyone-care-that-the-republican-candidate-is-obviously-ill/#comment-2216175
Plus : https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-nader-effect/
Wonder if Lieberman could’ve become POTUS in the alternate time line where Gore won 2000 – or rather won by enough to overcome the Electoral College. Sure would be nice if the USA decided Democracy actually means one person one vote not Wyoming 3 and half votes to every Californian one. (see : https://www.huffpost.com/entry/its-time-to-end-the-electoral-college_b_12891764 Dunno how different things are now or inwhich direction. Suspect worse.)
Why do the populous majority American states put up with it?
Narcissistic politicians messing up the course of history?
There are several such persons in US history that resemble the role of Alcibiades in the Peloponnesian war (turning success to disaster).
If you are surprised, you are probably unaware that Lyndon Johnson was close to a peace deal with North Vietnam. That would have ruined the chances of the Republicsn candidate, so they ‘fixed’ it.
The Republicans sabotaged it by telling South Vietnam they would get them a more favorable peace deal (they did not). And thus Nixon won the election.
Cambodia and Laos were brought into the war. Twice as many Americans died.
At the end USA had lost the will to enforce the terms of the peace deal, with bad consequences (especially for the cambodians).
Lyndon Johnsons ‘great society’ welfare state foundered as the war ate up the economy, leaving no resources to more than an anemic version.
Soon, Ronald Reagan rode the wave of cultural backlash and destroyed the legacy of ‘the New Deal’.
So much harm caused by a single act of sabotage, and it is not in American history books.
I live on another continent but I remember it.
There are many, many other examples in US history but I cannot be arsed to write more.
Myself @ 10
For other ‘Alcibiades wannabees’, see the awful role of the Duke of Austria during the first mongol invasion of Hungary.
.
More recently, see how the post-Lincoln presidents fucked up the South and the situation for the blacks. It would not have taken much effort of Ulysses Grant and the others to do the right thing, but they could not be bothered. Thus, USA carried the scars left by slavery for an additional century.
.
Or Basil Zaharoff, the owner of Vickers and how he dragged Greece into WWI which resulted in the greeks in Asia Minor eventually getting subjected to ethnic cleansing.
“vacillating between the two”, I see what you did there. Good one.
Duplicitous. Performative. Back-stabbing.
Wait are you complaining about? He’s the perfect Democratic politician.
Joe Lieberman annoyed me, much like Manchin of today.
A lot of obituaries today from mainstream media saying what a wonderful man he was… Oh, and he nearly became McCain’s running mate and then they would have won. Think of that as an alternative timeline…
What do you think people are complaining about? Perhaps you’d earn some trust by showing that you have even the slightest understanding of what people think.
If you think there’s any point in further discussion, then make an attempt at genuine engagement.
If not, why bother?
He personally killed the medicare at 55 plan for Obamacare to make the insurance companies happy.
That said, “No Labels” finally has just the right Presidential candidate for them: Joe Lieberman.
New York Times Pitchbot:
“Out of respect for Joe Lieberman’s family, the early runs of our obituary will downplay his killing of the Obamacare public option, warmongering in Iraq, championing of Betsy DeVos, lobbying for China’s ZTE, and co-chairmanship of No Labels.”
https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon
Kim mere pointing out that your voting choices don’t match your supposed leftism.
With very few exceptions, the Democratic Party is a centrist capitalist party that pretends to nice to minorities for votes. Most Dems are more like Lieberman than AOC. They only care about progress If it gets them elected, but not enough to actually, permanently fix the problem or inconvenience the parasites in the upper class,
They don’t really care about you. They will not bring the change our civilization needs (I.e. socialism). They will sell you down the river to maintain a majority for good little centrists like them.
They only care about progress If it gets them elected…
And actually, as the Republican agenda becomes more exposed to more people as nothing but scams and bullshit, we’re starting to realize that, yes, we really CAN win elections by being progressive and left-of-center.
Kim mere pointing out that your voting choices don’t match your supposed leftism.
Okay, tell us what YOUR voting choices got us.
@Akira McKenzie #19,
What? Lieberman lost the 2006 Democratic primary in his state because he was too conservative, ran as a third-party candidate instead, and won the general election with support from independents and Republicans. The whole reason he left the party is that most Dems are not like him.
Yet again, this demonstrates that the Democrats are about as left-wing as they can be and still have a chance of winning a large-scale US election. Any third-party candidate who can beat them will be more conservative, not less. See also: George Wallace and Ross Perot.
The Young Turks have a good clip on Lieberman’s death here – just under 15 mins long and they are NOT that respectful of the dead or overly flattering about him.