One nitpick: I know it’s a staple of caveman cartoons, but has anyone ever made a wheel out of chiseled stone? It’s not going to be at all practical for transportation, but maybe for uses like a millstone…
At least they have a woman carving the wheel. Given PZ’s objection, is that a veiled form of misogyny? I don’t think so and enjoy the unconventional depiction, regardless of how stereotypical the fantasy trope.
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem))says
Trope meaning concept in general
robrosays
The people of Palau carved large stone wheels from limestone, but they used them to represent value not transportation. They look like the stereotype caveman wheel. Some think the first wheel was the potter wheel. If so, it could have been stone or wood, and easily fashioned by any able-bodied person with a need to make pottery.
marcolisays
Another nitpick is that it implies our ancestors knuckle walked. At least I am of the view that our lineage palm walked like most primates.
I think that is the whole point of the picture. The man does the proud walking – and the women do the actual working.
In this context I interpreted the wheel at first glance as a millstone, even before reading PZs commentary. Since milling was initially done primarily by women, it does not seem at all improbable that millstones were also invented by them.
also looks like the alphabet is being invented by a woman, while the man just doodles animals on the wall.
gee I didn’t know who invented the letters for the Romans to use.
Yeah, the whole point of this cartoon is spin the usual cliche around, to spotlight that women were integral contributors to human evolution, not just baby factories to be dragged around by the hair.
harrumph
Of course they’re pale! It’s from a cartoonist for the New Yorker, and as everyone knows, there are no brown people in New York.
Erpsays
Potter’s wheels such as still used by some in India or a more western style.
Nicolaisays
The woman could be carving a stone with a hole in it for decorative or ceremonial purposes, such as at Mên-an-Tol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mên-an-Tol) in Cornwall (United Kingdom) where the central stone has a hole in it.
It’s an amusing diagram none the less, even if the likely wheel-making at the side is implausible.
robrosays
Charly @13 — chigau’s observation at #14 lends evidence to your observation that the animal doodler is a woman. The female in front of the chimpanzee seems to be sharpening a spear point. So, women are doing the work and innovating, while the men just strut and loose hair.
Note that the men don’t need clothes because they have nothing to hide. There are no penises in this picture, even where you might expect to see such device.
Chigau @23: I could have put more black at the right of the picture, perhaps, but I was feeling too lazy to alter hairstyles. Maybe I could have given Man #4 or Spearmaking Woman (H. erectus, I think) more Asian colouring, though.
numerobissays
Wait, but the ape at left nurturing its baby isn’t clothed either. Surely you can’t have a male being nurturing!
Tethyssays
I give them credit for an attempt at inclusiveness by showing women doing and making. I wish they wouldn’t start with chimpanzees, because the fur color is reinforcing several misconceptions about human evolution. The LCA was a primate specialized for living in trees, like this adorable specimen. This one appears to be calling it’s friends over to hang out for awhile.
Gibbons also come in the same range of coat and skin tones as humans, and are quite capable of bipedal locomotion too.
NelC
I was feeling too lazy to alter hairstyles.
Um… you are correct that it would be nice if the far right dude had more melanin than those to the left, but it might also be nice to remember that genes for straight hair are not exclusively white european traits.
robert79says
Seriously… has no one noticed that in this cartoon, all the men are doing is “less slouching” while all the great works of civilisation are due to women?
Tethyssays
Subverting linearity by encircling the traditional and incorrect depiction of the evolution of MAN with all sorts of women inventing technology is sort of the point of the cartoon IMO.
Tethys @26: True, though the only human in the whole ensemble with non-straight-ish hair appears to be the cave-drawing woman at left.
Tethyssays
If you click to the artists twitter feed, he is also having it pointed out that his far right dude is awfully white. It is clear from the drawing that this artist is trying to make non-sexist art, yet failed to notice the racism inherent in the traditional, false, chimpanzees to human male depiction that is so common.
Loftysays
No dicks or nipples, the facebork safe cartoon. The stone disc is definitely a worry though, looks like a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist yet.
NYC atheistsays
PZ@16
For real though, people like to pretend NY is some sort of post racism utopia.
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) says
At least they have a woman carving the wheel. Given PZ’s objection, is that a veiled form of misogyny? I don’t think so and enjoy the unconventional depiction, regardless of how stereotypical the fantasy trope.
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) says
Trope meaning concept in general
robro says
The people of Palau carved large stone wheels from limestone, but they used them to represent value not transportation. They look like the stereotype caveman wheel. Some think the first wheel was the potter wheel. If so, it could have been stone or wood, and easily fashioned by any able-bodied person with a need to make pottery.
marcoli says
Another nitpick is that it implies our ancestors knuckle walked. At least I am of the view that our lineage palm walked like most primates.
A. Noyd says
Nice idea, but a little on the pale side.
Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk- says
You can read my thoughts?
Derek Vandivere says
#3 / Robro: Also on the isle of Yap. Apparently, the ‘coins’ got so big that they couldn’t be moved.
thompjs says
PZ, the Flintstones used chiseled rock wheels. I think that is authentic
chigau (ever-elliptical) says
Yeah.
and the Flintstones were white.
That’s Wilma doing the painting.
Charly says
@slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) #1
I think that is the whole point of the picture. The man does the proud walking – and the women do the actual working.
In this context I interpreted the wheel at first glance as a millstone, even before reading PZs commentary. Since milling was initially done primarily by women, it does not seem at all improbable that millstones were also invented by them.
Marcus Ranum says
That’s not a wheel, it’s a zero!! ;)
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) says
also looks like the alphabet is being invented by a woman, while the man just doodles animals on the wall.
gee I didn’t know who invented the letters for the Romans to use.
Yeah, the whole point of this cartoon is spin the usual cliche around, to spotlight that women were integral contributors to human evolution, not just baby factories to be dragged around by the hair.
harrumph
Charly says
I think the person dooing “doodling animals” on left is also a woman. It shows progression from doodling animals to more and more abstract depictions.
chigau (ever-elliptical) says
The women are the only ones wearing clothing.
Mark Dowd says
Well what else do you expect the wheel to be made of, wood or something? That’s what witches are made of!
PZ Myers says
Of course they’re pale! It’s from a cartoonist for the New Yorker, and as everyone knows, there are no brown people in New York.
Erp says
Potter’s wheels such as still used by some in India or a more western style.
Nicolai says
The woman could be carving a stone with a hole in it for decorative or ceremonial purposes, such as at Mên-an-Tol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mên-an-Tol) in Cornwall (United Kingdom) where the central stone has a hole in it.
It’s an amusing diagram none the less, even if the likely wheel-making at the side is implausible.
robro says
Charly @13 — chigau’s observation at #14 lends evidence to your observation that the animal doodler is a woman. The female in front of the chimpanzee seems to be sharpening a spear point. So, women are doing the work and innovating, while the men just strut and loose hair.
Note that the men don’t need clothes because they have nothing to hide. There are no penises in this picture, even where you might expect to see such device.
chigau (ever-elliptical) says
The one doing the writing is left-handed.
Caine says
Chigau:
Honestly, it’s only men who would not get that immediately. :shakes head:
NelC says
A slightly more diverse group of hominids.
chigau (ever-elliptical) says
NelC #22
I see a problem with your tweak.
NelC says
Chigau @23: I could have put more black at the right of the picture, perhaps, but I was feeling too lazy to alter hairstyles. Maybe I could have given Man #4 or Spearmaking Woman (H. erectus, I think) more Asian colouring, though.
numerobis says
Wait, but the ape at left nurturing its baby isn’t clothed either. Surely you can’t have a male being nurturing!
Tethys says
I give them credit for an attempt at inclusiveness by showing women doing and making. I wish they wouldn’t start with chimpanzees, because the fur color is reinforcing several misconceptions about human evolution. The LCA was a primate specialized for living in trees, like this adorable specimen. This one appears to be calling it’s friends over to hang out for awhile.
Gibbons also come in the same range of coat and skin tones as humans, and are quite capable of bipedal locomotion too.
NelC
Um… you are correct that it would be nice if the far right dude had more melanin than those to the left, but it might also be nice to remember that genes for straight hair are not exclusively white european traits.
robert79 says
Seriously… has no one noticed that in this cartoon, all the men are doing is “less slouching” while all the great works of civilisation are due to women?
Tethys says
Subverting linearity by encircling the traditional and incorrect depiction of the evolution of MAN with all sorts of women inventing technology is sort of the point of the cartoon IMO.
NelC says
Tethys @26: True, though the only human in the whole ensemble with non-straight-ish hair appears to be the cave-drawing woman at left.
Tethys says
If you click to the artists twitter feed, he is also having it pointed out that his far right dude is awfully white. It is clear from the drawing that this artist is trying to make non-sexist art, yet failed to notice the racism inherent in the traditional, false, chimpanzees to human male depiction that is so common.
Lofty says
No dicks or nipples, the facebork safe cartoon. The stone disc is definitely a worry though, looks like a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist yet.
NYC atheist says
PZ@16
For real though, people like to pretend NY is some sort of post racism utopia.
NelC says
Second attempt at hominid diversity.
chigau (ever-elliptical) says
better
chigau (ever-elliptical) says
re: my #9
Wilma always wore a white ‘dress’. Wilma was a ginger.
Fred wore the yellowish with black spots ‘dress’. Fred had black hair.
stripeycat says
Could we not all have to wear low-necked minidresses, please? Somehow, skimpy clothing seems more sexualised than bollock naked. Otherwise, hilarious.
drst says
His newest cartoon from the New Yorker is pretty on point too:
https://twitter.com/WillMcPhail/status/815899174474567680