If there are any sensible Republicans left, I’m so sorry, your party is a bloody shambles. It was kind of inevitable, I guess, when you embraced angry white men, Jebus, and bigotry as your tools for short term gains.
I can’t find it now but I saw a great tweet yesterday that went something like this: “GOP forced to smoke the whole pack.”
VPsays
I wont call their gains short term. The kind of stranglehold their racist, misogynist, and xenophobic campaigns hsa brought them over state and local arms of government will be around us for a while unfortunately. And that’s translated into a very difficult to beat majority in the House.
It is strange how little all that praying helped. It’s almost as if nobody’s listening.
Rich Woodssays
Given the ubiquity of the loud-mouthed gold-capped marmoset I’m afraid I haven’t been paying as much attention this year as before. This time round, how many of the candidates stated they had been told by God to run?
Matrimsays
@4
Cruz, can’t remember if Perry did, but I think so.
robrosays
Quite a few fairly prominent Republicans are publicly announcing they won’t vote for Trump. Could be a dark few years for the Republican party.
To their credit, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, Jim Gilmore, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, and George Pataki didn’t make overt mentions of God in their campaign announcements. They may have brought up religion during the campaign, but it didn’t help.
The current Republican frontrunner Donald Trump claims to be a man of God, though his actions don’t show it at all. He can’t even pretend to be a practicing Christian without screwing up.
Evidently god is incompetent, telling multiple failures to run, or his believers are delusional fools.
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem))says
oh the guy who was clinging to the ticket with his fingernails, to be repeatedly given sandwiches which he always wolfed down? He seemed liked merely a RINO groupie.
I guess this means there isn’t even a slim chance of contested convention. Drumph will be walking into the convention no longer opposed. With a roster populated with only a single person, the delegates can’t draft a random unknown to be their nominee?
I guess the RNC used to do “back room” deals during the faux-convention; this might be the year to bring back the “big bosses” presenting an unknown poli to be their latest nominee. Their history of bigotry and classism is biting them in the ass, big time.
Ambidextersays
Rich Woods @4
Just more evidence that God is an iron.
If a person who indulges in gluttony is a glutton, and a person who commits a felony is a felon, then God is an iron. –Spider Robinson
diannesays
I can’t help but wonder if the best way to pick the Republican nominee this year wouldn’t be to put the name of every person eligible to be president (i.e. US born US citizen over age 35, no felonies) into a hat, draw one name, and declare that person the candidate, no take backs. There would be some risk in using this method–for example, I might become the nominee that way–but given that the current method has produced definite disaster, how much worse could it be?
MassMomentumEnergysays
@dianne
I have always maintained that elected representatives should be drafted. A handful of people are randomly chosen, forced to answer a bunch of voted upon questions, then go on the ballot. Winner has to do at least one tour with the option of going on the next ballot with the other cannon fodder if they choose (so people can keep a decent person around if they lucked out somehow). Combine that with an increase in the number of members of the house of reps and forced telecommuting by all congresscritters to keep DC from corrupting them and we might have a system resilient against the current form of mass corruption.
robrosays
MassMomentumEnergy — Isn’t that similar to the way the ancient Greeks selected people to run public affairs?
I have always maintained that elected representatives should be drafted. A handful of people are randomly chosen, forced to answer a bunch of voted upon questions, then go on the ballot.
I’m not so sure this is a good idea. What percentage of the voting public either thinks Donald Trump is right about everything, or is willing to overlook the fact that Hillary Clinton wants to play chicken with Russia (with the penalty being a shooting war with nukes) because she’s a woman? Both groups are idiots who would be dangerous if they got into power, and they aren’t the only dangerous idiots, just two groups of them. You’d have to draw an awful lot of random people to make sure that there was a reasonable chance of usually having one non-horrible option. (And if you’re not going to guarantee that, then the change isn’t an improvement, and would be a lot of cost and work for nothing.)
robrosays
…because she’s a woman?
Do really think that’s why she would want to play chicken with Russia? I’m not convinced she wants to do any such thing for any reason, but “because she’s a woman” is an unlikely reason. She doesn’t strike me as the kind of person trying to prove she’s “got balls” enough to go to war.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trollssays
Why should a thread about Kasich bring out the Hillary Clinton paranoids?
madscientistsays
William F. Buckley won the first round against the John Birch Society, but in the years before his death he’d clearly lost the second round. The GoP is a clown-infested shill for big business and is the champion of all the nasty uncivilized attitudes you can imagine. Today’s GoP is an anti-Enlightenment institution and is nothing like Abe Lincoln’s party.
Vivecsays
@15
I think vicar was saying that people overlook things because of her being a woman, not saying that she’s doing things because she’s a woman.
Oh joy. This election just keeps getting better (read: worse).
I don’t even know if I want to vote. I know I have to, and, of course, I will, but at this point I just don’t care about the presidential election. I’m focusing on Congress and state/local elections, because at least here there’s stuff to care about.
At this point, I don’t care who’s president, as long as it’s not a Republican… and that’s not a good mindset to have…
Why couldn’t Elizabeth Warren run?
*sigh*
diannesays
Why couldn’t Elizabeth Warren run?
Because she doesn’t want to and is already doing good work in the Senate?
freemagesays
Dianne @ 21 and Nathan @20:
The real question is, “Why can’t we have more people of Elizabeth Warren’s quality in politics?”
diannesays
@22: Because only narcissists are willing and able to put themselves through the sort of crap you have to in order to be a successful politicians and while it’s possible to be a narcissist who is not an asshole, it’s harder?
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem))says
re 21:
Because [Warren] doesn’t want to and is already doing good work in the Senate.?
QFT
I too was a strong proponent of “drafting” Warren for POTUS, then realized Senate deserves to be populated by active members who work hard to accomplish, rather than simply oppose everything.
freemagesays
Dianne @23: Fair enough answer, which then leads to the question, “How can we change that”, and sadly, that’s where I run out of remotely useful thoughts.
Because she doesn’t want to and is already doing good work in the Senate?
I know I know… that’s the only way I know how to voice my frustration with this whole thing. I absolutely respect that she doesn’t want to, and, to be fair, she can do more good in the Senate than in the White House. It’s just…
God I really hate this election. This election is complete shit.
freemage @ #25:
Dianne @23: Fair enough answer, which then leads to the question, “How can we change that”, and sadly, that’s where I run out of remotely useful thoughts.
There’s something that I believe very strongly: those who want power don’t deserve it, and those who deserve it don’t want it.
Which is perhaps a horrible Catch-22, and it’s not like that’s something you can “fix”. So I’m with you… I don’t know how to change that, or if it’s even possible to change it… *sigh*
We need reluctant politicians. But I’m pretty sure those two words are in direct opposition to each other…
jeffj says
I can’t find it now but I saw a great tweet yesterday that went something like this: “GOP forced to smoke the whole pack.”
VP says
I wont call their gains short term. The kind of stranglehold their racist, misogynist, and xenophobic campaigns hsa brought them over state and local arms of government will be around us for a while unfortunately. And that’s translated into a very difficult to beat majority in the House.
Marcus Ranum says
Jebus
It is strange how little all that praying helped. It’s almost as if nobody’s listening.
Rich Woods says
Given the ubiquity of the loud-mouthed gold-capped marmoset I’m afraid I haven’t been paying as much attention this year as before. This time round, how many of the candidates stated they had been told by God to run?
Matrim says
@4
Cruz, can’t remember if Perry did, but I think so.
robro says
Quite a few fairly prominent Republicans are publicly announcing they won’t vote for Trump. Could be a dark few years for the Republican party.
ThorGoLucky says
Who quit? Oh, him.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says
Rich Woods #4, list of republican candidates for president in 2016 who claimed they had been told by god to run.
Evidently god is incompetent, telling multiple failures to run, or his believers are delusional fools.
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) says
oh the guy who was clinging to the ticket with his fingernails, to be repeatedly given sandwiches which he always wolfed down? He seemed liked merely a RINO groupie.
I guess this means there isn’t even a slim chance of contested convention. Drumph will be walking into the convention no longer opposed. With a roster populated with only a single person, the delegates can’t draft a random unknown to be their nominee?
I guess the RNC used to do “back room” deals during the faux-convention; this might be the year to bring back the “big bosses” presenting an unknown poli to be their latest nominee. Their history of bigotry and classism is biting them in the ass, big time.
Ambidexter says
Rich Woods @4
Just more evidence that God is an iron.
dianne says
I can’t help but wonder if the best way to pick the Republican nominee this year wouldn’t be to put the name of every person eligible to be president (i.e. US born US citizen over age 35, no felonies) into a hat, draw one name, and declare that person the candidate, no take backs. There would be some risk in using this method–for example, I might become the nominee that way–but given that the current method has produced definite disaster, how much worse could it be?
MassMomentumEnergy says
@dianne
I have always maintained that elected representatives should be drafted. A handful of people are randomly chosen, forced to answer a bunch of voted upon questions, then go on the ballot. Winner has to do at least one tour with the option of going on the next ballot with the other cannon fodder if they choose (so people can keep a decent person around if they lucked out somehow). Combine that with an increase in the number of members of the house of reps and forced telecommuting by all congresscritters to keep DC from corrupting them and we might have a system resilient against the current form of mass corruption.
robro says
MassMomentumEnergy — Isn’t that similar to the way the ancient Greeks selected people to run public affairs?
The Vicar (via Freethoughtblogs) says
@#12, MassMomentumEnergy
I’m not so sure this is a good idea. What percentage of the voting public either thinks Donald Trump is right about everything, or is willing to overlook the fact that Hillary Clinton wants to play chicken with Russia (with the penalty being a shooting war with nukes) because she’s a woman? Both groups are idiots who would be dangerous if they got into power, and they aren’t the only dangerous idiots, just two groups of them. You’d have to draw an awful lot of random people to make sure that there was a reasonable chance of usually having one non-horrible option. (And if you’re not going to guarantee that, then the change isn’t an improvement, and would be a lot of cost and work for nothing.)
robro says
Do really think that’s why she would want to play chicken with Russia? I’m not convinced she wants to do any such thing for any reason, but “because she’s a woman” is an unlikely reason. She doesn’t strike me as the kind of person trying to prove she’s “got balls” enough to go to war.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says
Why should a thread about Kasich bring out the Hillary Clinton paranoids?
madscientist says
William F. Buckley won the first round against the John Birch Society, but in the years before his death he’d clearly lost the second round. The GoP is a clown-infested shill for big business and is the champion of all the nasty uncivilized attitudes you can imagine. Today’s GoP is an anti-Enlightenment institution and is nothing like Abe Lincoln’s party.
Vivec says
@15
I think vicar was saying that people overlook things because of her being a woman, not saying that she’s doing things because she’s a woman.
Tony! says
So much for the tag team of Kasich and Cruz vs Trump.
Nathan says
Oh joy. This election just keeps getting better (read: worse).
I don’t even know if I want to vote. I know I have to, and, of course, I will, but at this point I just don’t care about the presidential election. I’m focusing on Congress and state/local elections, because at least here there’s stuff to care about.
At this point, I don’t care who’s president, as long as it’s not a Republican… and that’s not a good mindset to have…
Why couldn’t Elizabeth Warren run?
*sigh*
dianne says
Because she doesn’t want to and is already doing good work in the Senate?
freemage says
Dianne @ 21 and Nathan @20:
The real question is, “Why can’t we have more people of Elizabeth Warren’s quality in politics?”
dianne says
@22: Because only narcissists are willing and able to put themselves through the sort of crap you have to in order to be a successful politicians and while it’s possible to be a narcissist who is not an asshole, it’s harder?
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) says
re 21:
QFT
I too was a strong proponent of “drafting” Warren for POTUS, then realized Senate deserves to be populated by active members who work hard to accomplish, rather than simply oppose everything.
freemage says
Dianne @23: Fair enough answer, which then leads to the question, “How can we change that”, and sadly, that’s where I run out of remotely useful thoughts.
Nathan says
dianne @ #21:
I know I know… that’s the only way I know how to voice my frustration with this whole thing. I absolutely respect that she doesn’t want to, and, to be fair, she can do more good in the Senate than in the White House. It’s just…
God I really hate this election. This election is complete shit.
freemage @ #25:
There’s something that I believe very strongly: those who want power don’t deserve it, and those who deserve it don’t want it.
Which is perhaps a horrible Catch-22, and it’s not like that’s something you can “fix”. So I’m with you… I don’t know how to change that, or if it’s even possible to change it… *sigh*
We need reluctant politicians. But I’m pretty sure those two words are in direct opposition to each other…