He’s losing badly. But from the lofty height of his own self-regard, he is the champion of all. Watch this cringe-worthy video of Kasich pompously lecturing yeshiva students about what’s really important in Judaism.
It’s being called goysplaining — he’s so oblivious that he thinks he can correct Jewish scholars on what they’re actually studying. We can’t let this man become president, because he’d be too infuriating to everyone.
I just blogged about Kasich Jesussplaining about blood and Passover to Hasidic Jews in Brooklyn. He’s a fucking idiot.
Impressive, starts off like a schlemiel, ends up a mashugana, what a putz!
There are not enough facepalms.
well..uhm, . he is the least bad of the worst. Which, I guess, is why he is third in the running (out. of. three. but claims he isn’t in last place, just third). Last night on Seth Meyers, he tried to make the point that Primaries don’t elect the candidate directly, but only delegates who then select the nominee at the convention. He hopes to convince the required number of delegates to nominate him rather than the hated Cruz [aka CruzTed] and the Blusterer. He also advocates the preferable style of voting for someone: based on the actions and not just the empty promises(threats) they make on the campaign trail. (claiming his record of actions outweigh all the bluster and insults from the other to faux-candidates.)
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His platform is disagreeable, and he may be dislike-able, and I would not vote for him, ever, yet these points he made, on Seth, are part of why I wrote a mild advocacy for him over his Rethug competitors.
A run of Kasich v Bernie would be most interesting. (it would be funny seeing him explain Judaism to Bernie)
Wow, that’s world historical patronizing condescension. You couldn’t write a character that narcissistic.
Mansplaining, Cissplaining, Whitesplaining, STEMsplaining, Goysplaining… They’re all essentially the same thing. We need a single word for them.
I propose “Gervaising”.
sounds just like the fundies I know when they start going off on how much they know about their god story.
uncle frogy
@gmacs:
We have a word for the general technique that includes both those instances where oppression and privilege are necessary to fully explain the dynamics and those instances in which awareness of oppression and privilege are not necessary for understanding the perspectives of everyone in the room.
The word?
Condesplaining.
Try it. You might like it.
@gmacs, someone on another site suggested “condesplaining.” I say that’s too long. I like “downsplaining.”
Isn’t “patronising” good enough??
It captures the whole “I am better than you so shut up and prepare to receive delivered wisdom”
As a Canadian, who lived most of the last 30 years in England, I can’t imagine anything anywhere near approaching this degree of blathering religiosity taking place in either Canada or Britain.
The USA is fucked up, good & proper.
#11,
Before you laugh too hard at the US, I have three words for you: House of Lords.
More Kasich: now he’s victim blaming:
Sadly, Kasich seems the least unreasonable of the Republican candidates.
Masked Avenger, I have to write to one of them, a “Baroness”, & I will have to use the proper form of address, or risk getting ignored, etc.
I have to work on this, to steel myself up, to be a fucking sycophant. I despise myself, but it’s for a greater good.
Here’s the list of anachronistic privilege:
It disgusts me. And why the fuck are high priests there?
Bourgesplaining?
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Being “the least unreasonable Republican candidate” is like being the less inbred Habsburg: you look good only because you’re being compared to the worst.
Dick@53-
Nobspaining?
Condescending bastard.
I used to think about a year ago that Kasich was the ‘best’ of the Republican party, and a potential major thwart against the Democrats, appearing to possess some measure of integrity, reason or rational thinking that might have energized voters both sides of the aisle.
Now I absolutely KNOW that the Republican party cannot produce a reasonable or rational candidate. They are obviously and unabashedly rotten to the core when it comes to anything remotely resembling integrity.
@14ThatGotLucky — yep, that’s what I mean.
And then we remember that, in the GOP field, he is the “sane” candidate…
I got the feeling that the old guys were having fun with the ignorant politician coming in for a photo-op.
did I see some smirks as they went out of camera range.
uncle frogy
Yes, of course they know Joseph, John! They’re fucking Jews who’ve studied the fucking Old Testament in its original fucking language. They know Joseph better than you can ever fucking hope to.
Holy Shit.
I will have to use the proper form of address, or risk getting ignored, etc.
Oh surely there’s no risk of getting ignored.
Nate, with all due respect, they did not study their scriptures in the original Aramaic. They studied it in Hebrew. :)
The actual root was Aramaic and a handful of more ancient tongues that are utterly lost to history. :/
Just a niggle there, precision is preferred for myself, others mileage may vary. :)
I’ll give Johnny one thing, the goyim doesn’t realize that he’s a goy, he thinks that his Christian teachings are precisely equal to the teachings of Judaism, a few words differing. His miseducation failed him in not informing him that the text was thrice mistransliterated, edited for specific approved content and version, selected for specific book and no other books may apply and that’s what his derivation originated from. No 613 commandments, only 10
As one who was and remains a goyim, but who grew up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood, let’s suffice it to say, I know reformed Jew from Hasidic Jew on technical differences and my Yiddish is good enough to play dumb, but know what is being said in my presence.
As being just outside of toddlerhood, I erroneously corrected a neighbor’s praising of our Chanukah tree, I was swiftly educated in the history of Chanukah, the history of the tree and the linkage was omitted, but obvious. Then, I learned how to listen closely for what was “between the lines” or words.
Today, if it gives joy, I don’t give a flying fuck what it is, if it gives someone joy, I’ll put it up or fly it, save if it harms others by doing so.
It turns out, back in the early ’60’s, we were the “block busters”, as we were the only goyim on the street and Roman Catholic at that. Unlike others of that faith, my parents did their level best to get along.
I do my best to equal that, but fall short on occasion, much to mutual distress. :/
But, we are the sum and difference of our experiences and I’ve had a few…
Marcus, okay, I’ll probably be ignored, regardless.
wzrd1 @ #24:
Fair point. You got me there. :) But they are certainly studying it in a language closer to the original than English. :D
Oh… I was hoping to be able to say “read the comments” on this one, but as usual, the cesspool that is YouTube comments has defeated me. Some good responses from Jews, but a holy hell of a lot of anti-semitism and a few Asshole Atheists make them hard to read through… :(
One of the most annoying things about me is that I’m both a misanthrope and I still hold out hope that people can be good… I hate that contradiction…
why is there this attempt to hold one’s nose even?
rotten fish still stink, regardless of species.
who the fuck cares if rotten salmon smells slightly different than rotten cod?
re 28:
yeh, but given two stinky fish: one a cod, and one a salmon, per your example, which has the less offensive stink? That is the only way to compare the Rethuglikans. Only compare them within the set of offerings and not one’s desires for the “ideal” candidate. I know that’s pointless, only noting that is the context of this comparison. YMMV. WTH
Thanks, I had no idea there were already consolidating words out there. “Condesplaining” is a fun sounding word.
Nathan @#22:
Technically, they would call it the “Tanach” (or “Tanakh”; transliteration is somewhat arbitrary) (abbreviation for Torah-Neve’im-Ketuvim, or Pentateuch-Prophets-Writings), since “Old Testament” implies that they should accept that there is a “New Testament” that is supposed to be the more recent word of God. Since the “New Testament” is the gospels and epistles relating to Jesus and Christianity, that won’t really fly.
(I doubt that most Jews would reject the term Old Testament unless they wanted to be as pedantic as I’m feeling.)
(The story of Joseph is in the Torah, of course, in the book of Genesis)
But otherwise, so far, so good.
wzrd1 @#24:
This . . . is just confused. The original language of the Tanach is Hebrew. There are a few chapters of Aramaic in the book of Daniel (and a few verses and words in other places), and the Torah was later translated into Aramaic, but there is no basis whatsoever for stating that the “original” language of the Torah was Aramaic.
(The term “Aramaic” is misleading, because it references more than one dialect, and it is actually a reasonable point to raise that some of the dialects are sufficiently distinct as to be considered different languages)
The Tanach was almost entirely composed in Hebrew. This is not to say that there was no influence from Aramaic, Akkadian, Babylonian, Ugaritic, Egyptian, Persian, Nabatean, Arabic, Sumerian, and other languages of the Ancient Near East in the stories, poems, and narratives that eventually became written down in Hebrew, but the existence of those influences does not make any of those languages the “root” of the entire text.
I suppose it might be reasonable to suggest that some language is the “root” of a specific part of the text, but not of the whole thing.
And, as long as I’m being pedantic, “goyim” is plural.
“Goy” originally meant “nation”/”ethnos”, and is used in Hebrew to refer to Jews/Israel as well.
(Reminded of this quote for some reason)
“You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon. “
Owlmirror, indeed, few realize that Aramaic is indeed a collection of dialects! For translation from it to Hebrew would be a closer match, as there is little transliteration required due to similarities in linguistic structures.
Genesis itself would by definition be from the oldest languages in common usage at the time, as you mentioned. From a purely linguistic approach, the document is a fascinating piece of literature, whereas from a historic perspective, it’s largely worthless.
Feel free to remain pedantic, facts are discussed, rather than opinions. :)
Owlmirror
Herr Eulenspiegel,
Since I’m also a recovering pedant, I wanted you to know how much I appreciate your explanation, and your screen name.
Owlmirror
I had forgotten how much fun it is when you come out with guns ablazing.
ありがとう
@Chigau, is that guns blazing? If so, I like it, as pedantic is precise and I like precision. :)
That was pretty mild Owlmirror but it was still a bit like old times.
no mucking with the blog formatting, though
I couldn’t bear to watch the vid, but as Slacktivist and some others point out, Joseph is not a dreamcoat. He manipulated the famine in Egypt until the population was enslaved to Pharaoh. Folks were selling themselves for food, after Joseph had collected and stored their crops.
No wonder the Republicans like him.
Owlmirror @ #31…
My dad is a Conservative Hazan who likes to collect the very books they study at the Yeshiva. So I know it’s “Tanach”. I used “Old Testament” because I was writing to Kasich (I realize he won’t read it, but still :P).
As for Hebrew and Aramaic… you and wzrd1 both make great points, and you’re both basically correct. According to some of the work I’ve read from Dad’s library, it’s sort of hard to pinpoint, but whether you refer to Aramaic or Hebrew as the Tanach’s “original language”, you are basically… well… not wrong.
And feel free to be pedantic about it, too. There’s everything right with that. I tend to be simplistic when I rant, but I (sincerely, not sarcastically) love it when people get pedantic over this stuff because it always leads to some fascinating discussions (that, incidentally, end up revolving around one of the biggest reasons I’m an atheist… :D).
And also, I always have more to learn. I may sometimes come off as thinking I’m the smartest person in the room, but I usually feel the exact opposite, so I know I have stuff to learn, and hell… you both could probably teach me, even with my Dad’s knowledge and library at my fingertips.
I think we all have something to learn from Clement Moore.