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Aug 15 2013

Finally, more people are waking up to @elevatorGATE’s abuse

I’ve compared him to Dennis Markuze before, and it’s exactly the same: using internet protocols and an abundance of free time to constantly harass people he doesn’t like with pointless, content-free noise. The offender goes by the pseudonym “@elevatorGATE” on twitter (right away, you can tell what inspired him), and he’s been doing this for years now, obsessively dunning his targets with noise. There are some differences: Markuze aims his vitriol at skeptics who questioned the existence of paranormal powers.

@elevatorGATE hates women.

Another difference is that Markuze is a despised loner, while @elevatorGATE is surrounded with a little cloud of filth, people who share his hatred and use @elevatorGATE as an amplifier and who love to cloak themselves in the indignant mantle of FREE SPEECH! What they really want is the opposite, though: their goal is to drown out dissent with persistent shouting, and preferably to drive their victims out of social media altogether. They’re more of the trollish toxin that’s poisoning the internet. They’re also the first to squawk if anyone makes an effort to personally block their intrusions — these are privileged idiots who feel it is their right to demand that we listen to them.

Their latest tool is to use Storify. @elevatorGATE constantly gathers up tweets into a little bundle and echoes them back repeatedly; it’s especially easy because when he does that, all of his targets get a little notification (I’ve had to set up my accounts to automatically trash all notifications because the noise is deafening and useless). Imagine dealing with a junior high snot who’s brilliant strategy for harassing you is to follow you around and repeat everything you say, over and over: that’s the brain of @elevatorGATE. And there’s the newest offense: he thinks he has the right to do that. And worse, the CEO of Storify has agreed.

Ana Mardoll and John Scalzi have posts up about this. Scalzi has published a letter he received about this problem.

A Twitter and Storify user who goes by the handle “@elevatorGATE” is a well-known cyberstalker of women via social media. His latest method of doing this is to compile thousands of pieces on Storify, often including every single tweet sent by his chosen targets, and then publish them, which notifies the women in question that he had published yet another piece archiving their every word. After repeated complaints and requests for help, Storify temporarily deactivated the notification feature on his account, which doesn’t actually solve the problem.

In a conversation yesterday with Xavier Damman, the Storify CEO suggested that the women @elevatorGATE is targeting turn off all notifications from Storify, which essentially suggests that they withdraw from the medium if they don’t like being stalked, and which also wouldn’t solve the problem of this user archiving everything these women say. One of the users pointed out that this is very much like telling a woman who is being harassed via telephone to never answer the phone. It was at this point in the conversation that Damman went from passively enabling a stalker to actively assisting one. He tweeted, in response to the women, that they “…can’t do anything about that. It’s @elevatorgate’s right to quote public statements…”

Prior to this point in the conversation, the women had named their stalker, but not used the @ symbol in front of his username. You know enough about Twitter to know why that’s a big deal. Damman either carelessly or deliberately notified a man stalking multiple women that they were seeking some way to prevent him from continuing to harass them, and then claimed it was no big deal because anyone searching for the information would have been able to find it. But there’s a very big difference between information existing and that same information being directly brought to a person’s attention.

If you know much about stalking, you’ll know what happens next. @elevatorGATE has substantially stepped up his harassment of the women who had asked Damman for help. Men who follow him on both Storify and Twitter have been bombarding these women via Storify notifications and Tweets with additional harassment. He has also increased his harassment of known online associates of the women in question, making it difficult for them to seek out help or support from fear of his beginning to stalk their friends as well. It’s the reason I’m contacting you privately, via email, rather than via social media: I’m afraid. I don’t want to be added to his list of targets.

Think about that. Damman runs a company that is utterly dependent on social media, and he’s so incompetent or so heedless that he doesn’t recognize the responsibilities or potential for abuse in his own software. He is unaware that his product is easily misused by stalkers. That should be a cause for a lack of confidence in Storify.

I do have to correct the letter above on one point. It refers to “Men who follow [@elevatorGATE]…”, but I also know of several women who also defend him and chortle along with his barrages.

@elevatorGATE should be getting the same treatment that Dennis Markuze got. His followers should be ashamed of themselves. And Damman should either work to correct his company’s product’s flaws, or he should go bankrupt.

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  1. 1
    screechymonkey

    Storify temporarily deactivated the notification feature on his account, which doesn’t actually solve the problem.

    Maybe this is a dumb question, but I’m not very familiar with Storify: why doesn’t this solve the problem? (I mean, assuming the “temporary” became “permanent”?)

  2. 2
    michaeld

    @screech

    It means he’s still obsessively collecting peoples tweets it just means they’re no longer annoyingly notified about it.

  3. 3
    PZ Myers

    He’s doing hundreds of storifies every day. I’m not kidding when I say he’s got the same mental illness as Dennis Markuze — this is a guy whose useless life is fully absorbed with tracking and echoing the words of people he hates.

  4. 4
    Tony! The Queer Shoop

    It does not appear Damman is ignorant of the potential for stalking…it looks more like he does not care.
    Storify can and should tank with that mentality.

  5. 5
    Tom Foss

    Noticed on a quick search that he has a second account on Storify, called “FTBullies” (charming) associated with another (apparently suspended) Twitter account, @drama_watch. I wonder if that one’s had notifications disabled too.

  6. 6
    Olav

    PZ:

    Imagine dealing with a junior high snot who’s brilliant strategy for harassing you is strategy

    I believe the good professor meant to write whose

    But anyway, apart from going after the websites, what can be done? Markuze got noticed by the police, shouldn’t that be possible in this case as well? Harassment, stalking, what is it called in America?

  7. 7
    Goodbye Enemy Janine

    EG also loves to collect the tweets of transgendered women.

  8. 8
    screechymonkey

    Well, I agree that it’s creepy and obsessive, and that his followers and fans should be ashamed of themselves.

    I’m not sure that I agree that Storify should do something about it. There are plenty of web sites that seem creepily obsessed with a particular person, whether it’s a politician or Justin Bieber or whoever, but as long as they’re just commenting on things that are public, and not (manually or automatically) “poking” their targets to let them know, I’m not sure the company should step in.

    Should Storify prohibit me from archiving all the things Ray Comfort tweets? Or what if I want to Storify everything that a particular Slymepitter tweets, for the purpose of showing that X% of his/her tweets are about FtB/Skepchicks/whoever?

    Again, I’ve only seen Storify used a couple of times, so maybe there’s something about it I’m missing.

  9. 9
    Inaji

    It’s well known that pond scum is better than “ElevatorGate”. However, Mr. Damman, you had an opportunity to stand up and do the right thing, to do the decent thing, and shut a notorious stalker down. You chose not to do that and you should be ashamed.

  10. 10
    Ana

    I left a similar message on Scalzi’s board, but I would very much like to thank you, PZ, for using your voice to bring attention to this issue. (Though I gather this isn’t the first time — but that just makes me more grateful that you are speaking up about this.)

    I was one of the activists speaking to Xavier Damman when he alerted ElevatorGate to the conversation. I was added to the list of EG’s stalking victims literally within minutes of that tweet. Mr. Damman has not only refused to apologize for being directly responsible for alerting a known stalker to my existence, he has also apparently blocked me on Twitter, which is somewhat… ironic, especially when people are now using his Storify service to harass me by email.

    I was very fond of Storify prior to this incident, but it should be noted that it’s currently setup in ways which facilitate stalkers. I’ve circulated on Twitter a picture of the Storify “Add them all” button which is a one-click way to add the last ~800 tweets someone has tweeted on their account. It’s absurdly easy to stalk dozens of women a day with their tool, for a very small amount of time investment. That Mr. Damman and his company don’t see this as something worth addressing (for example, with a “block” function that keeps someone from Storifying more than 5 of your tweets per day or something, as a compromise to Voltaire and Free Speech) is very distressing.

    Thank you again for bringing light to this issue. I very much hope that if enough people speak up, Storify will choose to ban this use, take down his stalking collections, and either change or enforce their TOS to prevent this from happening again.

  11. 11
    Inaji

    Screechymonkey:

    There are plenty of web sites that seem creepily obsessed with a particular person

    This is *not* about one particular person, nor is it a case of someone doing that on their own website. Thank you, however, for demonstrating that someone I usually respect (you) is willing to accept a standard they have just walked past.

  12. 12
    Inaji

    Ana:

    I was one of the activists speaking to Xavier Damman when he alerted ElevatorGate to the conversation. I was added to the list of EG’s stalking victims literally within minutes of that tweet. Mr. Damman has not only refused to apologize for being directly responsible for alerting a known stalker to my existence, he has also apparently blocked me on Twitter, which is somewhat… ironic, especially when people are now using his Storify service to harass me by email.

    I am so sorry this happened to you, Ana. Thank you for your courage and activism. You have my support.

  13. 13
    Walton

    Wow, what a nasty troll.

  14. 14
    Ichthyic

    Harassment, stalking, what is it called in America?

    Cyberstalking.

  15. 15
    Inaji

    Walton:

    Wow, what a nasty troll.

    I appreciate the sentiment, Walton, however, please do not downplay this into trolling. This is an obsessive stalker at work.

  16. 16
    PZ Myers

    If @elevatorGATE had a website on which he wrote obsessively about me & Rebecca Watson & Ophelia Benson & his grandmother, no problem. He can do that. I won’t complain in the slightest, in the same way I haven’t complained about the anti-PZ sites that occasionally spring up and wither away.

    But he’s doing something more. He’s using twitter and the storify tool to yell at everyone about every trivial whine he makes. He’s using them as megaphones to bury others in the noise. That’s the offense.

  17. 17
    Ana

    Thank you, Caine, that means a great deal to me. I always enjoy reading your comments. :)

  18. 18
    pixelfish

    Yeah, one of the issues is that he’s abusing a set of loopholes in how Storify is set up. Firstly, you can’t block storify users individually. Secondly, the notification tool is an ALL ON or ALL OFF deal. So you can’t make use of the Storify notifications without getting a slew of EG posts. And…it’s not just you, but everyone you follow who has run across his path. I get notifications when he archives Sally, Ana, or a dozen other women on Storify. You can’t ignore it short of turning off notifications altogether, which is neutering a major part of the social aspect of Storify.

  19. 19
    leftwingfox

    I don’t use twitter much. Am I right in assuming that the upshot of this is that he’s completely spammed the notifications and feeds of his targets?

  20. 20
    hyperdeath

    To pre-empt the inevitable “but all he’s doing is duplicating public comments; there’s nothing wrong with that” objection:

    Yes, there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with comment duplication, but that’s not the point. It’s the endless obsessive nature of it. It conveys a message of “I hate you, I’m watching you, and there’s nothing you can do to stop me“, and indeed it’s done with that very intent.

    By way of analogy, the East German government had a habit of harassing dissidents by entering their homes and doing extremely trivial things. Asking “what’s wrong with Storifying?” is a bit like asking “what’s wrong with that vase moving from your mantelpiece to your window sill?“. In both cases, the literal answer is “nothing”, but that misses the point. The proper answer is both actions are intended to harass, unnerve, and silence criticism.

  21. 21
    pixelfish

    Weirdly Twitter is less the issue here than Storify. On Twitter you can block users. You can’t on Storify. Twitter makes it tricky to collate tweets past a certain point, and even collecting them and displaying what was said is a multi-step process. On Storify, you can snag a mass amount of tweets easily. (Which you can’t block, except by being completely private on Twitter.) And Storify’s notification system doesn’t allow for granularity except via platform. So if you want to get notes about your friend’s birthday party storification, you will also get all the notifications about people you don’t like using your tweets.

  22. 22
    Jackie

    Thanks for drawing attention to this creep, PZ.

    This is another person relying on our twisted culture to buffer his harassment. It isn’t that he is just quietly ignored either. He’s getting encouragement. That’s the “community” on the other side of this rift.
    I want more and deeper rifts.

    If any enablers are reading this, please take note:
    Sexists,
    Racists,
    Ablists,
    Other assorted bigots,
    Get on your side and stay there.
    If your company or organization wants to stand with them, please do so loudly and soon.
    I want to know who you are, so that I may stay far, far away from that kind of fucked up, antiquated, unscrupulous shit and the shitters responsible for it.

    This enabling will neither be forgiven nor forgotten.
    This isn’t the Catholic Church and you are not dealing with people who see this movement or your part in it as sacred or even necessary. I’ve stood up to and walked away from people with far more power over my life than you, your organizations and your heroes. Most of the people you are screwing over right now have. We don’t walk in your tiny social circles and we don’t rely on you for jobs. You might want to consider that. It isn’t that minorities are not atheist or skeptical (It really isn’t just an able, white, neurotypical, cis-gendered, straight, western, upper-class, male thing.). We’re here and more of us are coming. You can’t shut us out. The choice you have is relevance or irrelevance. Better choose one fast.

  23. 23
    Rey Fox

    Firstly, you can’t block storify users individually.

    Jeez, isn’t that a feature of, I don’t know, every single other social platform on the internet? Damman, you run a sucky-ass ship

  24. 24
    Goodbye Enemy Janine

    Fuck. I am in the middle of a twitter yelling match with an EG supporter who is asking why EG shouldn’t be allowed to collect statements on an open forum.

    How fucking pointless.

  25. 25
    screechymonkey

    Caine @11:

    This is *not* about one particular person, nor is it a case of someone doing that on their own website.

    PZ@16:

    But he’s doing something more. He’s using twitter and the storify tool to yell at everyone about every trivial whine he makes. He’s using them as megaphones to bury others in the noise. That’s the offense.

    pixelfish@18:

    Yeah, one of the issues is that he’s abusing a set of loopholes in how Storify is set up. Firstly, you can’t block storify users individually. Secondly, the notification tool is an ALL ON or ALL OFF deal. So you can’t make use of the Storify notifications without getting a slew of EG posts. And…it’s not just you, but everyone you follow who has run across his path. I get notifications when he archives Sally, Ana, or a dozen other women on Storify. You can’t ignore it short of turning off notifications altogether, which is neutering a major part of the social aspect of Storify.

    Thanks to all of you. I was under the impression that Storify just acted as a tool to copy and paste Tweets en masse, and that with the notification setting disabled, only those who sought out EGate’s Storify page/archive/feed/whatever-it-is would see it.

    Which serves me right for speaking from ignorance.

  26. 26
    davidwhitlock

    Harassment and creating a hostile environment is their intent. The intent is to create a “dangerous environment” where non-misogynists can’t have conversations with women because the women don’t feel “safe” because women are not “safe”.

    Misogynists are doing this because no woman who felt safe would give them the time of day if they knew how misogynist they are.

  27. 27
    Tony! The Queer Shoop

    Everything …everyt.h.i.n.g.that Jackie said @22.
    QFFT

  28. 28
    Randomfactor

    It does not appear Damman is ignorant of the potential for stalking…

    Never used Storify before. No way to EDUCATE Damman by adding him to the automatic feed from this nutcase?

  29. 29
    moarscienceplz

    I don’t do social media, so there is probably a technical or ethical reason why this is a bad idea, but why don’t you do to Damman what EG is doing to you? Give him a better understanding of why it is bad. I know that descending to the same level as the slimeballs is is usually untenable, but this would only be temporary and would serve a useful educational purpose.

  30. 30
    alexmcdonald

    Looks like the twitter account for elevatorgit has been suspended.

  31. 31
    Inaji

    alexmcdonald:

    Looks like the twitter account for elevatorgit has been suspended.

    That would be a good first step. Now, it needs to be deleted, and it would be nice if Twitter made sure they wouldn’t be able to come back under a different nym to start up all over again.

  32. 32
    pixelfish

    I’ve had enough folks filter into my Twitter TL seeming to ask a question in good faith, and I respond, and then think to check, and it turns out they’re folks who have been following EG and damn well know what they’re asking. I’ve had an uptick in recent months of these hyper-skeptical folks popping in to nitpick and almost always when I’m discussing feminism-related topics.

    A few months back, I was on a rant (completely unrelated to anything related to the skeptic community) about my sexual harrassment from about a decade back and I had EG-followers pop in to ask why I didn’t contact the police if my harrassment really happened. Stuff like that. That’s when I became aware that I’d somehow ended up on the radar list. (I’d bought stuff from SurlyAmy when she was being targetted, and I’d recently RTed Sally, and both of those seemed to bring me to the list. It’s a bit ugh. I try to ignore it for myself personally but as noted, until recently I was getting the Storify notifications whenever a friend got storified.)

    For me, it’s mostly annoying but it’s still creepy. And for folks who have been stalked, it is by their own testimony, triggering as hell.

  33. 33
    mofa

    You almost got one thing right in this story PZ, He HAS the right to do it…and Storify agree.

  34. 34
    Inaji

    Pixelfish:

    And for folks who have been stalked, it is by their own testimony, triggering as hell.

    Not only that. Anyone who behaves in such an obsessive manner is not coming across as a balanced person, and there’s no realistic way to figure risk assessment in such cases. They may be someone who will stick to internet harassment, and all their followers may do the same, however, there have been plenty of incidents of ATK harassment going into AFK harassment and stalking. Given what EG is doing, there is simply no way for anyone who is being stalked to know which of these things will happen.

  35. 35
    Louis

    PZ,

    Can you be a little careful ascribing mental illness to this EG person please. I realise we have the Markuse precedent when it comes to genuinely mentally ill stalkers, and, yes, i agree with your comparisons. But in the absence of this person having a real, known diagnosis of some kind, all using that kind of allusion does is reinforce the culture of woeful stigma that surrounds mental health.

    As far as I know, we don’t even know who this EG person is. Griefing, hating and a variety of unsavoury but subclinical reasons for EG’s behaviour exist before we speculate fruitlessly, at a distance abut EG’s mental health.

    Also, forgive me if I have misunderstood, but isn’t what this person is doing to some extent, a far greater extent than Markuse, automated by the Storify software in some way? Is this kind of harassment not well withing the capabilities of a reasonable programmer with little effort?

    I realise that, if this person is ill, you wish them to be helped not harmed, and obviously that’s the right way to go, but can we make sure they are I’ll before we discuss any illness. This sort of speculation, even if a reasonable inference, can be deeply damaging.

    Cheers

    Louis

  36. 36
    Louis

    Dammit, all typos are the fault of the autocorrect on this infernal device.

    Louis

  37. 37
    Inaji

    He HAS the right to do it…and Storify agree.

    No, a person does not have the automatic right to use someone else’s website to stalk people. No one has the right to use someone else’s website for any purpose. Whatever rights you may have in that regard are up to the people who own the website. As for Mr. Damman, yes, he does agree with stalking behaviour at the moment. That does not make it right.

    Now, about you, mofa. If you are here to do your standard trolling, don’t. One instance of it, I’m sending an alert.

  38. 38
    Louis

    And even more importantly, I had no idea this EG person had got so bad, until today.

    I think we’ve really popped the misogynist pimple on the arse of atheism/scepticism and we just need to squeeze all the sexist pus out.

    Louis

  39. 39
    Inaji

    Louis:

    As far as I know, we don’t even know who this EG person is.

    Actually, a lot of people here are far too familiar with EG and their ongoing harassment. Just sayin’.

  40. 40
    Goodbye Enemy Janine

    EG’s twitter account has been suspended for a few days now.

  41. 41
    Ing

    Any chances someone can write a script like the blockbot?

  42. 42
    PZ Myers

    Jebus. I think mofa is Mark Senior, misogynist asshole from down under.

    BYE, MARK!

  43. 43
    PZ Myers

    @elevatorGATE is banned, but none of his other identities on twitter — I caught a couple of his sockpuppets haranguing me.

  44. 44
    pixelfish

    Let’s bear in mind that this is yet another iteration in the Guys, don’t do that cycle. That Ana Mardoll and the others on Twitter were brought into because they requested that Storify a) provide a way to block people and b) live up to their terms of service. Basically, yet another request to Not Do That.

    And as usual, folks making that request found that they were minimized, that people would slippery-slope and rules lawyer their way into justifying that it’s a-ok if a dude obsessively collects your words despite your stated distaste. You have no boundaries to them and the very fact of your existence…online or out in the world…means you are fair game.

  45. 45
    Inaji

    PZ:

    @elevatorGATE is banned, but none of his other identities on twitter — I caught a couple of his sockpuppets haranguing me.

    How many other identities do they have going on Twitter? That Twitter allows multiple identities seems bad policy to me.

  46. 46
    Vall

    @28 Randomfactor

    That seems like a great idea, however, that assumes Damman isn’t @elevatorgrate.*

    *The ‘grate’ was deliberate to simulate the effect on the nerves.

  47. 47
    pixelfish

    Caine: Just as an aside… There’s numerous reasons a person could have multiple Twitter accounts. A professional one for doing business, a private one for friend-only stuff, one for activism that you don’t want connected to other areas of your life (say if you are trans or gay or atheist and not out to folks in your life.) I have a jail account (which I had to make use of during the People’s Filibuster by Wendy Davis) since I tweeted beyond what my regular account would allow. I have an art specific account as well, related to my writing. I do assume that if I were to engage in abusive behaviour that Twitter would have ways of shutting all those down, but they do have legitimate reasons to exist.

  48. 48
    Inaji

    Pixelfish:

    I do assume that if I were to engage in abusive behaviour that Twitter would have ways of shutting all those down, but they do have legitimate reasons to exist.

    You’re right. I don’t tweet, and I didn’t think things through enough. Thank you.

  49. 49
    pixelfish

    Caine: No worries, and thanks for understanding.

    It’s just sad that folks will abuse services that are so helpful otherwise. (And annoying when CEOs of those services minimize concerns.)

  50. 50
    Goodbye Enemy Janine

    Just want to point this out, on Storify, EG claims that Ana Mardoll is trying to bully him.

  51. 51
    glodson

    I don’t do social media, so there is probably a technical or ethical reason why this is a bad idea, but why don’t you do to Damman what EG is doing to you?

    Because EG is stalking people, essentially. It isn’t just the vitriol and hate. There’s this undercurrent of control, that you cannot stop EG. Like many a stalker. Turning the tables doesn’t send the right message, and can other bits of fallout. We don’t solve a problem of a creepy, obsessive stalker by emulating their stalking.

  52. 52
    Louis

    Caine,

    What I meant was, unlike Mabus/Markuse, as far as I am aware EG’s real identity is not known. I am not disputing the familiarity of his odious conduct one jot.

    However much of an odious pissant EG is, and I think odious pissant is a generous description, ascribing his behaviour to mental illness (even by Markuse as a proxy) causes splash damage to people with mental illness. Not the world’s most controversial point I would have thought.

    Louis

  53. 53
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    EG’s twitter account has been suspended for a few days now.

    Now if only his storify account would be too.

  54. 54
    Avery Thompson

    I don’t know how many people know this, but many email providers have a way to filter incoming emails based on user-specified criteria. For instance, you can create a filter that selects all emails from a certain email address, or contains a certain phrase in the subject line or the body. Then, you can do certain things to those emails, like attach a label, archive the email, or delete it entirely. Admittedly, this is only a small fix for part of the problem, but it should work to block the notifications EG and his scumbag friends are sending without disabling all Storify notifications. I hope this helps somebody. :)

  55. 55
    Sarah Noble

    One of EG’s most recent targets has been the British intersectional feminist and trans communities on Twitter, including myself. It’s really fucking creepy and annoying, and although I don’t get quoted as much as my friends do, I still wish he’d just fuck off.

  56. 56
    Goodbye Enemy Janine

    Sarah Noble, I have been debating with one of EG’s defenders about how harassing his actions are to transgendered women. *But it is an open forum and I believe in open platforms*

    #spitsvenom

  57. 57
    sadunlap

    but I also know of several women who also defend him and chortle along with his barrages.

    Are we sure they are not sock-puppets?

  58. 58
    glodson

    @57

    Sadly, there’s plenty of women who buy into the anti-feminist bullshit. I’ve read many reasons for why they might do so, but there’s a good chance that they are just as they appear.

  59. 59
    Suido

    @Avery #54: Well meaning advice, but not addressing the real problem.

    People shouldn’t have to adjust their own behaviour in order to avoid harassment and stalking.

  60. 60
    PZ Myers

    #54: Yes, we know. My email filters are elaborate and complex.

    Now why is it MY responsibility to maintain this mountain of cruft and tweaks, while @elevatorGATE has NO responsibility to behave himself?

  61. 61
    Avery Thompson

    @Suido and PZ: I agree that the real focus should be on trying to get EG and his ilk to stop their stalking and abuse. I’m willing to do whatever to try and get their Storify accounts shut down. But in the meantime, if I can provide a simple solution (that not everyone may know about) that makes life a little easier for some of the victims, I think I should provide it. I absolutely do NOT think that this is an ideal solution, nor do I think it solves the big problem, nor do I think the responsibility should be on the victims to protect themselves from abuse, rather than on the abusers to not abuse in the first place. I’m simply saying that this is something that someone COULD do, if they wanted to stop EG from endlessly emailing them until Storify gets its shit together and finally bans him. Of course it’s not a perfect solution, and of course it doesn’t even address the problem of EG constantly Storifying people in the first place, but if it helps someone, then I think that’s a good thing.

  62. 62
    b. - Order of Lagomorpha

    The most stunningly awful thing about all this to me (besides stalker-twit’s behavior, of course) is that not only is Damman doing nothing to take care of or even alleviate the problem, but that he actively poked the beehive that is whatever-is-between-elevatorGATE’s-ears by throwing that @ in front of EG’s nym. Just an extra, added dash of “Fuck you” to the victims by giving this asshole a little nudge–”See? See what they’re trying to do?”. That was a thoroughly asshole-ish move, Damman.

  63. 63
    PZ Myers

    That was a thoroughly asshole-ish move, Damman.

    It was his nature, as the scorpion told the frog.

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  65. 65
    NateHevens, resident SOOPER-GENIUS... apparently...

    I’ve seen numerous instances where these people who dish it out can’t take it.

    Maybe some of us could give it back? I could personally have fun trolling EG, to be honest. But I also have to admit that I wouldn’t actually mind being attacked by him. I considered it a badge of honor when I became a target for Markuze.

    I will stress, however, that this is just me, and it is an example of my privilege, and I still think EG is a creepy, misogynistic, stalker asshole who needs to leave these women the fuck alone.

    No… you know what?

    Nevermind. Just ban the fucker and be done with it.

    Also, I get a funny feeling that either Damman or Storify won’t be around much longer… kinda sad if it’s Storify that goes, because it’s actually a useful little thing…

    I want to echo the caution in subscribing this douchcanoe with a mental illness, though. Maybe I’m wrong, but we only know Markuze had a mental illness because it was confirmed via the official routes. We don’t even know who, exactly, EG is. Maybe EG has a mental illness of some kind, or maybe EG really is just a creepy, misogynistic asshole. Being a creepy, misogynistic asshole is not connected to any sort of mental illness specifically. It may be a symptom, but that doesn’t make it a sure thing.

    Let’s stick to calling EG out as the creepy stalker that he is without the othering.

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    NateHevens, resident SOOPER-GENIUS... apparently...

    Already deleted, but I get them in my email…

    So Markuze is back, then? Or is it a sockpuppet?

    Ooh! Maybe this new Markuze is ElevatorGate! /snark (no, I’m not being serious…)

  67. 67
    Inaji

    Nate, Markuze has been back for a while, spamming all over the place again.

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    philisyssis

    I don’t think it’s a big deal to have someone’s public tweets published somewhere. It really doesn’t have any noticeable effect on their lives.

    However, I agree 100% with PZ when he says: “But he’s doing something more. He’s using twitter and the storify tool to yell at everyone about every trivial whine he makes. He’s using them as megaphones to bury others in the noise. That’s the offense.”

    I wish that faceless harassers like EG would have their name and address published, I wonder if they would be so brave if they couldn’t hide behind the internet.

  69. 69
    Inaji

    Alert sent.

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    pixelfish

    Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

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    chigau (違う)

    He’s quick.

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    Inaji

    Pixelfish:

    Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

    Ooh, I’ll play.

    PZ Myers, PZ Myers, PZ Myers.

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    kevinv

    Ugh, people the notifications aren’t the point. If someone followed you around all day, took pictures of you in all the public places you pass through, then mailed them to you do you think the appropriate response is to have the mail carrier toss the letters from the stalker?

    Storify does serve a purpose in documenting tweets from people that may not want their tweets documented so easily. Usually people in the political or celebrity gone nuts arena. Clearly they need a real person(s) to enforce their TOS when they get reports, and a clear way to make abuse reports.

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    latsot

    Imagine dealing with a junior high snot who’s brilliant strategy for harassing you is to follow you around and repeat everything you say, over and over

    It’s funny you should say that. One of EG’s cronies, @RichSandersen, has started favoriting and retweeting everything I say. He seems to think this will intimidate or annoy me. It’s water of a duck’s back, but if he’s doing it to me, it seems likely that he’s doing it to others.

    This really is the level of maturity we’re dealing with.

  75. 75
    tccc

    A block user function is on their suggestion site, you can up vote and comment on the suggestion here:
    http://feedback.storify.com/forums/66927-general

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    Thumper: Who Presents Boxes Which Are Not Opened

    The fact these people even exist is quite frankly depressing. How can you hate someone enough to waste your life stalking them, when they have done literally nothing to you? Seriously, their mere existence just depresses me. It’s rubbish.

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    michelemanion

    Damman’s commitment to free speech is apparently selective. Storify just took down a brilliant parody piece purporting to be the blog of Emory President James Wagner (of the ’3/5 solution for counting slaves was an example of a productive compromise’ fame). It was clearly parody, it was exceptionally well written and now it is gone. So he has a pattern of vigorously protecting the free speech rights of racist, abusive assholes, but not of people calling out racist, abusive assholes.

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    David Marjanović

    Storify temporarily deactivated the notification feature on his account, which doesn’t actually solve the problem

    Does that mean he can’t tweet at others, or does it mean others can’t tweet at him?

    A block user function is on their suggestion site

    It is now “PLANNED”. Commenting is still possible.

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    Thumper: Who Presents Boxes Which Are Not Opened

    @michelemanion

    So in short, Dammon’s an arsehole? Got it.

    Good to know his arseholery isn’t confined to this one incidence.

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    Steve the Drunk Unicyclist

    Slightly off-topic-

    Speaking of Markuze/Mabus, he’s up to his old tricks. I spotted him in a comment thread over on Jen’s blog, with a non sequitur comment and link to nostradamus video.

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    pixelfish

    He spammed my orchid picture on my art blog, right after Beetlejuicing. I guess that works. Who knew?

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    carlie

    A block user function is on their suggestion site

    It is now “PLANNED”. Commenting is still possible.

    It seems obvious that any blocking on twitter ought to be carried over to Storify; otherwise that’s just an easy way around the block.

  83. 83
    carlie

    (I know, you can also just not sign in and see stuff you’re blocked from, it’s the principle of the thing)

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