Jan 28 2013

# [Lounge #399]

This is the lounge. You can discuss anything you want, but you will do it kindly. Watch out for the baby pudu — they have nuclear-grade cute.

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##### Portia, in absentia

Portcullised, but PZ saw to it anyway…

OOOOoooooh, puuuuduuuu. I forgot what I was talking about.

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##### Portia, in absentia

And Parrowing, does it look like this?

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##### thunk: she'd rather be on a train

Well happy monday, and bday to katenrala (again), and congrats portia.

In case comment was eaten.

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##### Owlmirror

I definitely am not interested in Thunderdome, where there are a lot of personal insults, often with obscenities thrown in.

I know … like, “pr*cmail”! Can you imagine? Isn’t that the most disgusting and horrible obscenity ever?

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

Good evening folks

My very best wishes to you, katenrala

Yay for Joe

Tony
Your story about this guy who gets more attractive to you the more you know him although he doesn’t have the “right features” reminds me of how I met Mr.
Now, if I compare the guy I met 13 years ago to a laundry list of things I was looking for in a guy, there aren’t a lot of boxes he would tick.
Although he is definetly not unattractive, he is also most definetly not the type I usually fancy. I’m more fond of guys with darker hair and eyes, Antonio Banderas style. And I got sombody with grey blue eyes and dark-blonde-light-brown hair. At least it’s long. And back then he thought that museums were evil and books were something you put under your furniture when the floor is uneven. And I don’t think he’d ever eaten Chinese. And he likes football and takes an active interest in it.
But it was totally nice talking to him and we had a fun evening together at a party until he tried to kiss me and I asked him what the fuck he was doing and then we spent a full year tip-toeing aroud each other* because although we were probably the worst match in history, we somehow had connected back then. Maybe we weren’t that much what we were looking for and wanting in a partner, but we were what we actually needed.

*Yeah, the nice version of “how our relationship started” is we kissed under the mistetoe. The real one is that it was a year earlier and sexual harassment.

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So, by popular demand, Giliell’s review of The Hunger Games Trilogy

Book One: The Hunger Games
A well-written novel that can absolutely stand alone.
It is the starting point of the Trilogy, but it is also a story that is in itself complete.
It manages to set the scene and the basic background without coming across as doing so.
The arc of the story is well constructed and already one of the things that I liked most about the books is shining through already:
The protagonist is a young girl, a teenager with all what comes with being one.
I hate it when protagonists are children or teens and then they act and think like adults.*
Katniss doesn’t. She’s growing up quickly and rapidly, but she’s still a teen and you can see it in her thoughts.
She’s led to the slaughter of the arena and still she’s dazzled by the beauty of the Capitol, by the pretty things they do with her, by having more than enough food for at least a few days. She’s a kid.
And then there’s this other thing: Katniss is our one and only narator, we know what she does, we know what she thinks. And it’s painful to read how she blames herself for the actions of others, especially the Capitol. This goes on throughout the three books and is heartbreaking.
Another thing the book does beautifully is to be very, very violent with few actual deaths. Every blood of drop spilled in it is worth it and important.
*That’s why I’m the only person who enjoyed Harry Potter in the Order of the Phoenix: he’s an egocentric asshole the way only teens that age manage without become irredeemable assholes.

Catching Fire

Sometimes I think that people should stop writing trilogies.
Yes, I thought it was slow and I could hardly believe that they actually ended back in the Arena. I was constantly wating for something to happen, the revolution to break out, anything, but I didn’t want to go back to the arena. Not because I found it too horrible to read, but because I had already been there. I didn’t expect it to offer me anything new and it didn’t.
I will call the book an “information book”. We get a lot of information that is important later, but unlike the information in the first book, it felt superfluous to the story of the book itself.
Again, Katniss blaming herself for things that she caused according to herself is IMO great writing. The reader can see the obvious flaws in her thinking (how could she have reasonably forseen what was going to happen and also, she totally didn’t hurt those people, the Capitol did) but we can’t reach her any more than it is usually possible with an actual teenager, although they normally don’t blame themselves for mass-murder.

The Mockingbird
That book was hard. Not because it was hard to read but to stomach because there’s so many things going on and being told.
I really loved how it doesn’t deal in black and white but in many subtle shades of grey. There isn’t a glorious and noble revolution with all good on one side and an all bad evil empire on the other. This becomes obvious when Katniss deals with Gale, when they fight over Katniss defending her prep team. Gale is absolutely right in his accusations, but so is Katniss in her defense.
Here it becomes clear who the actual antagonists are. It’s not Katniss vs. everybody in the Arena, or Katniss vs. the evil president Snow. It’s Snow vs. Coin and she is a pawn they both use(d).
The rebellion is shown in its gruesome reality. It is murderous and it kills the innocent and the guilty alike. Omlette and eggs.
Stuff I really liked:
- Suzanny Collins has no mercy with her characters. She bends and breaks and hurts and then hurts again.
-Katniss’ valiant plan to go and assassinate Snow totally fails within inches of its goal. The story we know from a hundred books and a thousand movies, the lone hunt over enemy territory, the sacrifice of the crew members, the unexpected help, the final obstacles and then she fails and the story isn’t over, because wars aren’t usually decided by teenage girls saving the world while the actual armies are a background noise.
-The all-important pearl Katniss carries since book two gets totally forgotten and is 100% unimportant for the story. It’s set up to be the one thing that will finally bring Peeta back and it totally just doesn’t because he never gets to know.
-How Katniss is hurt and wounded and broken and totally needs healing. She doesn’t walk off into the sunset with Peeta and Gale who have suddenly decided that they don’t mind both being her lover.
- All kinds of people everywhere. Good and bad and with many layers, many which Katniss doesn’t see or understand but of which we get a glimpse.
-Women all the way down. Many writers, even when writing kick-ass female characters stop there. The first row characters may be female/contain women, maybe there are even some in the second, but after that people stop thinking and it’s just a plain old man’s world. Collins doesn’t do that. There are women everywhere. There are female miners and Peacekeepers, soldiers, commanders, everything. She mentions them down to the last couple of guards who only appear once.
-The revolution eats its children: When Coin wants to reinstall the Hunger Games, only with the tables turned against the Capitol.
-How the glory of the Victors is brought down, how those illusions Katniss had about what winning means are shattered, how she has to understand that it was not just for her that winning the Hunger Games brought more suffering.

Things I didn’t like that much:
-Peeta and Gale. No, they’re written well, but just like I wanted to cradle Katniss and tell her that it’s really totally not her fault that Snow destroyed #12, I wanted to bang these two together with their heads and yell at them that they’re actually not helpful and petty assholes who only think about who finally gets the trophy while they’re hurting Katniss even more.
-The epilogue. Not so much the what but the how. I don’t mind that Katniss gets kind of her happy end watching her children. I’m annoyed that she finds her happiness in something that Peeta talked her into. Throughout the book she is always opposed to having children because she couldn’t bear the thought of having the reaped for the Games and because she didn’t want to inflict her life onto an innocent child. I would have been happy if she had come to the conclusion that with the Games gone and things apparently being better that these were the conditions under which she now would like to raise a family. No, she does it for Peeta. A little sad on my part.

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##### philosophia

I’m sorry, those two posts were my first here and I’m afraid I got PZ’s attention in a very bad way. Really, I’m not trying to cause trouble! PZ said my comment was really stupid, I assume he means my comment about Thunderdome, so I withdraw it. I also didn’t mean to misrepresent your comments in any way, PZ. If my topic is inappropriate for the lounge, that the lounge is not meant as a place to exchange scientific information, I didn’t know that. Perhaps I misread the “you can discuss anything you want” because I’m not familiar with pharyngula commenting culture.

What I’m really interested in is a discussion of my first note. I’m interested in the current research on gender differences. I can go to Thunderdome, I suppose. I don’t know I much I can emphasize that I’m not trying to cause trouble!

Sophia

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

I am so high… tung oil fumes, not an illicit substance. I really need to crack a window before I start dealing with chemicals.

Also, if anyone is desperate to take potshots at me, now’s a good time. I can’t find my keys. :(

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##### Portia, in absentia

I’m annoyed that she finds her happiness in something that Peeta talked her into.

THIS was my biggest gripe with the books, and you are the only other person who has raised it or agreed. It seemed so out of character, so obnoxious, and so…disappointing. Grossed me out. Especially since there are so many young girls and young adults who read that…to me, it undermined the messages about how strong and willful and self-determined Katniss was. Not that characters can’t change, it’s just…ugh.

I like your review, I hadn’t thought of a lot of those points.

Sophia:

I’m not familiar with pharyngula commenting culture.

Which is why lurking is advised. And now I’m going to advise you to stop digging.

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##### Portia, in absentia

Oh, no, Joe! That sucks. : (

A couple of weeks ago, I spent 20 minutes searching the courthouse for my keys before discovering they had slipped into an undiscovered pocket of my shoulder bag.: /

They’ll turn up soon, I know it.

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##### Scr... Archivist

Giliell,

Thank you for that review. I read the trilogy a couple of years ago, and although I liked it, I also had different reactions to each of the books.

One thing that I appreciated was the fact that none of the characters gets through the story unscathed. Even the “good guys” lose things that are very, very important to them. Also, not all (not any?) of the good guys are Good, while all those clueless Capitol-dwellers exemplify the banality of lower-case evil. They aren’t comic-book characters (even the extras), they’re just people. Perhaps too much like us, which was part of the point.

Again, thanks for the food for thought.

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Portia, I’m not worried about the keys. I drove to look for my wallet last night, I got home and I took the keys out of the car’s ignition and I haven’t been anywhere since, so I feel pretty comfortable that the keys are somewhere in the house. And every key I have has a copy either on my wife’s key ring or on the emergency key ring buried in the backyard. So I’m fine, I’m just a little annoyed with myself.

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##### PZ Myers

No, your comment that I deny sexual differences was stupid. I don’t.

You were question-begging when you claimed that differing interests in science were examples of ‘real’ gender differences. They aren’t. Girls show similar levels of interest in science compared to boys, but are turned off to it later in life…often by the kinds of sexist self-fulfilling prophecies you’re talking about.

Also, I’m kind of annoyed that you’re using a woman’s name when I can easily track your info back to a man in California. Why are you doing that? Do you think sexist platitudes will be overlooked if everyone thinks you’re a woman?

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##### chigau (違う)

philosophia

I’m interested in the current research on gender differences.

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##### consciousness razor

VERVETS.

FUCKING VERVETS.

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##### ednaz

Happy Birthday Katenrala!

I am learning a lot from your conversations. I am glad you’re here. : )

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##### Hekuni Cat, MQG

Portia:

A couple of weeks ago, I spent 20 minutes searching the courthouse for my keys before discovering they had slipped into an undiscovered pocket of my shoulder bag.: /

Moved by car key gnomes, no doubt. (I would have linked to the relevant Farside cartoon, but apparently Gary Larson doesn’t like that.)

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##### dianne

Hey, Portia, would you be interested in commenting on this thread? Specifically, on the contention that the law would be hard to apply against anyone but the assailant? That’s not how I read it, but IANAL.

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##### Portia, in absentia

Dianne:

I’ll give it a look.

Hekuni Cat:

Those damn gnomes!!

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##### texasaggie

Izz a whootzles!!!

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##### Jafafa Hots

Anyone know of a good way to get thick globs of paint off of a vintage brass item without ruining the brass?

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##### Jafafa Hots

(I seem to be overlooking the link to the weapons-grade cute, so I will post my own. Danger – deadly cute)

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##### A. Noyd

So any of you heard of this “Check These Out” 2013 calendar with pinups of female characters from sci-fi/fantasy books? I just came across it in the school bookstore and it kind of set my teeth on edge, especially since it was being sold with a message about how the money from sales helps out charity. Like, how many years now has the conversation been going on about how bad it is to only appeal to straight male fans in sci-fi/fantasy, gaming, comics, etc.? And can’t works that benefit charity not contribute to oppressive messages about a different group of people? Ugh.

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##### mildlymagnificent

Thick gobs of paint? Well, if they’re really thick and really gobby, you might be able to lift largish bits off the way you might with wax.

Put the brass whatsit in the fridge or fill it with icewater, the temperature should make the lumps a bit harder but more brittle. Then see if you can lift the now-just-a-bit-brittle lumps off the surface with something flexible but firm enough to do the job, but with no sharp edge to scratch. Like a piece of firmish plastic – cut out a piece from an icecream container, or one of those non-scratch spatulas, or a tupperware-style paddle scraper for baking.

I’ll have a bit of a think about the flecks that will certainly remain.

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Jafafa Hots,

What sort of brass object is it, how thick is the paint, and how valuable is it?

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##### carlie

THIS was my biggest gripe with the books, and you are the only other person who has raised it or agreed. It seemed so out of character, so obnoxious, and so…disappointing. Grossed me out. Especially since there are so many young girls and young adults who read that…to me, it undermined the messages about how strong and willful and self-determined Katniss was. Not that characters can’t change, it’s just…ugh.

I had the same reaction reading it as well – I mean, happy ending with spouse and kids and roses everywhere? Ugh. It wasn’t completely sappy, but the part about kids really rubbed me the wrong way.

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##### opposablethumbs

Thank you, Portia! Progress has been made … (honest it has, iJoe!) and we are planning to do more tomorrow (fortunately the work I have pending isn’t too urgent, and I can put a fair chunk of the day into it with DaughterSpawn (she’s doing an undergraduate degree in biochemistry; it’s a sandwich course, and the students apply this year for an industry placement for next year. SonSpawn is still in sixth form, applying for Summer School places. They have up to 100% subsidies!!! Which is beyond wonderful. Yay!!!). And we have found a place that might be able to replace her broken laptop screen for a fairly reasonable price, so that helps.

Well after midnight here, so I’m off for the night – here’s some USB hot chocolate for anyone that wants some. rq and everyone who likes the way it feels to be around here – yes, I’m right there with you.

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##### Portia, in absentia

I should clarify re: Hunger Games that I don’t think having kids undermined the strength and independence of the character, per se. It was the “Peeta talked me into it, and what makes him happy makes me happy, I guess.” Gives me the heeby-jeebies.

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##### The Mellow Monkey: Non-Hypothetical

Giliell on the Hunger Games:

I’m annoyed that she finds her happiness in something that Peeta talked her into.

Oh, word forever. It could have worked for me if, like you said, she decided it for herself. That she did it for Peeta just really bothered me, though. It took away her agency, which was one of the things she was fighting for so hard throughout the books.

Massive, fervent thanks to Hekuni Cat for bringing up TMJ pain. I hadn’t considered that being what I was feeling in my ear, since I kept thinking it all had to go back to either the ear infection or the wisdom tooth. I ate nothing but yogurt and soup today to cut down on chewing and while my jaw still clicks if I open it wide enough, the vast majority of the pain has finally gone, after non-stop aching for days. I’d put it at about a six on a ten point scale for pain, but it was a full blown ten for irritating. Finally, I can think again. Thank you, thank you. ♥

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##### carlie

Boy scouts close to ending ban on gay members

“It’s an extremely complex issue,” said one Boy Scouts of America official, who explained that other organizations have threatened to withdraw their financial support if the BSA drops the ban.

No, I’m pretty sure “We’re losing all our financial backing over this and money is more important than our supposed morals” is a fairly simple issue, actually.

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##### mildlymagnificent

OK. I did some thinking with my fingers and found this. Just get some baking soda, put it in water, bring to boil, boil for over half an hour. Read the link for details – handling the boiling hot thingie is a bit tricky.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4494120_take-paint-off-brass.html

When you’re finished with the paint, polish with tomato ketchup. Works like a charm.

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Jafafa Hots,

Something mildlymagnificent said sounded important enough to me to second and expand on: you can bang on the paint a good bit so long as you find something harder than the paint and softer than the brass. You could probably grab an old credit card or card of similar thickness and scratch against that paint all day and not do any real damage to the brass. Whatever scratches plastic might put on brass should polish right out.

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Hunger Games:

I didn’t “feel” the epilogue either, because it treated Katniss as mostly broken and lacking agency. It is one thing to make your characters bend and come close to breaking, but to snap them in half and leave that as the ending is kind of horrible… and I can even respect that sort of ending, but not targeted at a YA audience.

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##### Jafafa Hots

It is an antique embossed brass plate, not thick (so fragile).
Historically important and valuable if you’re from the East Bay.

I have worked with copper a lot, embossing it, etc.
My concern is scratching since it’s thick… and also discoloration and oxidation.

I have patina formulas to use to “fix” any damage to copper, but with brass/bronze they act unpredictably because of the various alloys/mixtures.

I was thinking the credit card trick might not work as this is thin… but I just remembered, I have a heat gun… so I probably can get the paint all gooey, come to think of it.

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##### Jafafa Hots

Thanks for the other tips, too.
I’ve also heard about acetone working, but I wanna try and start as careful as possible.
This is a large brass plate from 1929-38 from a piece of equipment (or building, as there’s plaster on the bay) from Oakland/Berkeley’s Key Route trolleys.

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##### Jafafa Hots

(Oh, and the paint is a gazillionty years old. Normally I wouldn’t touch this, but it really obscures and detracts.)

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##### Jafafa Hots

(I can’t believe nobody noticed the baby elephant. Cripes, people, don’t you know CUTE?)

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##### jimnorman

A poll, missing the preferred answer.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57566239/boy-scouts-reconsidering-stance-on-gay-members/

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##### Goodbye Enemy Janine

A little something for the Knit Kninjas.

Why, yes, it is very geeky.

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##### Jafafa Hots

I dont see the poll, but I see hundreds of disgusting comments.

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##### Hekuni Cat, MQG

The Mellow Monkey – I’m glad your pain levels have dropped off–and that I could help. A further suggestion would be to continue with the soft food diet for a few days after you feel better. Many has been the time that I didn’t follow that advice and regretted it. As a side note, I never got much TMJ pain relief from ibuprofen; naproxen worked better for me.

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##### carlie

Yeah, I could see the ending as a completely dystopian ending, but it was worse that it was made to be a happy one. :(

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##### Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

Re philosophia:

Has anyone done any research on why certain kinds of people always seem to jump from “minor differences in brain structure and function exist” to “GENDER ROLES ARE SET IN STONE?”

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##### The Mellow Monkey: Non-Hypothetical

Hekuni Cat, yeah, I’m going to be cautious and probably do another mostly liquid day tomorrow and then slowly ease in soft foods before I try any real chewing. I don’t want to risk this getting worse again. I’ll try naproxen and see if it’ll help, since I’m almost out of ibuprofen anyway. (Which has, in fact, been next to useless.)

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##### Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

Article near and dear to my heart. I can confirm the dental paper conclusions….

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

So does anyone care what happened to my keys?

I didn’t lose my keys. My wife lost HER keys and took mine instead. Fuck fuckity fuck FUCK.

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##### kayden

Saw this link on Shakesville — an expose of the War on Women. Quite shocking.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175641/tomgram:_rebecca_solnit%2c_the_longest_war/

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##### marilove

There must be something in the air, Joe — I had family visiting from a town about 3 hours away this weekend, which included my sister and her kids. My complex is gated and requires a key to get in and out. I have a spare set. Somehow my main set got into HER duffle bag. Thankfully, my spare set has house, gate and car keys, but she now has my mailbox key … and the key to my office. My boss was annoyed this morning, lol.

She had to stick it in the mail today, and had to send it to the office since I can’t get into my mail box!

I was mostly worried because if the gate key is lost, I lose the $35 deposit AND have to pay an additional$75 (this is to discourage losing or giving them away).

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Jafafa Hots: You sound like you know your business so forgive me if you’re already aware of this, but that paint could be lead based and hitting it with a heat gun seems like an unhealthy thing to do. Respirator, yes?

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Dammit, I know what’s happened to your keys iJoe: they’ve run away to a non-extradition country with my Snap-on mini flashlight, taking with them the spoils of that casino caper they pulled last week.

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##### bluentx

Catching up: (with short short installments, as I tend to lose long comments before I can submit them ["Nooooooo!"])
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katenrala
Happy Birthday!
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Caine:
“..break is off.” YEA! Glad I was wrong/misunderstood!
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Fossil Fishy: @820
“..The second time involved sheep.” *
A cliff-hanger!

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##### WMDKitty -- Survivor

I lost my glasses Christmas week. I suspect they’re wherever it is that Lost Things go.

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Oops, I missed the bit about it’s your wife’s keys that are missing iJoe. Sorry.

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Seriously bluentx, what’s in your imagination is going to be waaay more interesting than the actual story. But I’ll tell it soon. I’m at work and really should be getting on with things.

You know, I’m surprised that physicists are still puzzled by the dark matter problem. It’s quite clear that dark matter is comprised of 32% lost socks, 27% lost keys, 14.5% lost paper documents, 5% lost sunnies with the remaining 21.5% consisting of various and sundry brick-a-brak including my damn mini-torch.

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Hey marilove, I don’t see you much around these parts! :)

I know about keys and costs… apparently my car key has a magical chip in it that makes a replacement key cost $75. The mail key is like$40. But I was trying to be optimistic about finding the keys, and/or having more money sometime down the line.

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FossilFishy,

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##### rq

Beatrice
I think so, too! :) Yay online party (date? :D)!

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Reading through the Thunderdome for kicks; read the last two words of Sophia’s #353 the French way – big-oh vinaigrette. Sounds delectable.

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Also, for the record, while I enjoy both thoroughly, I find this Eddie Izzard far more attractive than this Eddie Izzard. I think it’s the confidence. Or the heels. Hard to say, really. /random

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##### Nick Gotts

This is why I’d really like to see more of a drive to digitally scan everything. – dontpanic

Apparently this was underway at Timbuktu before the Islamist takeover, and the discs were taken to Bamako (I can’t now find the story about this on BBC). It’s not yet clear how many manuscripts were destroyed or stolen, or which of those had been scanned.

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##### opposablethumbs

Beatrice, yes, that’s pretty much what we’ve done in the past – gone out for a meal together. There are only the three of us at home now, though, as Spawn#1 is off being a uni undergraduate in another town. But yes, that is definitely a nice thing to do. I think a movie night could be good, but his dad is so bloody fussy about what he will and won’t watch!
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Thank you ednaz, I’d be glad to read anything that should come to mind (no worries if nothing pops up, obviously. I just think it’s always on the cards that someone else will simply look at it from a different angle and think of notions that haven’t occurred to me. Always appreciated!)
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rq yes there is an adult friend he used to be quite close to – until my OH had a massive falling-out with him, dammit! So much so that all contact was completely broken off (and I don’t even know what it was about, although I do recognise that this bloke has a history of coming out with some very dodgy stuff. He’s older – almost a generation older than OH and I are – so he was like sort of an honorary grandparent; the thing is he’s the sort of bloke who would be utterly accepting of an individual like my OH and still unthinkingly say racist things about a community as a whole. I suspect it was likely something along those lines that my OH blew up at). As for special presents, well I know the Spawn would love a bass clarinet … Unfortunately they tend to be just a wee bit outside my price-range … by several orders of magnitude, eh! I really appreciate the thoughts and ideas, and I think we may well do some combination of these special-food-and-film ideas. It’s not for a couple of months yet, so we have time to think about it.
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Dust bunnies should be left undisturbed in the wild until they evolve and grow into dust wildebeest or possibly dust behemoths. When they reach a size such that they can be seen from outer space, then they can be herded into the vacuum cleaner :-)

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##### Parrowing

Good [morning, evening, or whatever time of day it is for you here], everyone!

rq, how does one make a bigot vinaigrette? My instinct is to say that there needs to be some prickly pear.

*

I’m also looking forward to the movie watching. Maybe we should include a hashtag like on Twitter when referring to the movie, so that anyone who wants to follow along can easily and those that want to skip know when to skip? Like #CMN (Commune Movie Night)? If that’s a bad idea, feel free to pretend I never came up with it.

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##### Camcaran

It seems the manuscripts were saved before the buildings were burned. I could give you a link, but it’s in Finnish.

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##### richardh

Gay scouts:

No, I’m pretty sure “We’re losing all our financial backing over this and money is more important than our supposed morals” is a fairly simple issue, actually.

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##### birgerjohansson

High-tech cargo airship being built in California (Update) http://phys.org/news/2013-01-high-tech-cargo-airship-built-california.html
A Giant Floating Airship Could Be Future of Flight http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-giant-floating-airship-could-be-future-of-flight-fwQl8D1ZSjWwx5lNNvHOvg.html?cmpid=taboola.video
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
High schoolers help crippled cat walk again http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/26/high-schoolers-help-crippled-cat-walk-again/

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##### birgerjohansson

Both sides of the story? http://cartoonbox.slate.com/tedrall/2013/01/30/
BWAHAHA! So typical!
“I’m a Democrat” http://cartoonbox.slate.com/tedrall/2013/01/28/
Scandinavian wildlife:Trash robber http://satwcomic.com/trash-robber
Punish teen criminals (in Sweden) with curfews: Reinfeldt http://www.thelocal.se/45896/20130130/

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##### Camcaran

Mali: Timbuktu Locals Saved Some of City’s Ancient Manuscripts from Islamists

Here. They are saying that the library staff has removed most of the manuscripts to a safe place somewhere else.

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##### Caine, Fleur du mal

Opposablethumbs:

I think a movie night could be good, but his dad is so bloody fussy about what he will and won’t watch!

:cough: How about his dad sucking it up for one movie, by way of a birthday present? :cough:

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##### rq

opposablethumbs
What if they’re already coming out as dust wildebeest? :O Do I let them grow to alot-size (alot of dust)?
Actually, I can’t allow them to grow too long, because the biological vaccuum cleaner (we have a crawler) will take care of them, and I get tired of pulling long strings of tangled, dusty hair and miscellaneous unidentifiable crud out of his little fingers and mouth. Especially since he takes such offence at my efforts to keep him (reasonably) pest-free.

Good luck with the birthday ideas. If anything else pops into the head, I will let you know (family weekend trip? outing to a museum/gallery/different city (within financial means), if some members are to finicky with their movies?).

Parrowing
That’s actually not a bad idea. At all. What time zone are you (/curious)?

Camcaran
Sounds like good news, in Finnish… I’m not able to find an English reference yet, but I’ll keep an eye out! (Also, for the record, this bit of news has not appeared in local news at all, which doesn’t really surprise me, but is still disappointing.)

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##### rq

Meh, Camcaran, I missed your update. Thanks!

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##### Parrowing

Giliell (@5):

I also enjoyed Order of the Phoenix for the same reason. I would get so irritated when people said they found his anger unreasonable. Somehow, I don’t think a 15 year old, who find’s out he’s responsible for essentially saving the world, is unreasonable for feeling angry. I wanted him to yell more, actually.

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##### Parrowing

rq:

I’m in CET, so one hour behind you. I think.

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##### rq

Parrowing
CET is one hour behind me. :) So yes. Excellent.

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##### rorschach

’ve a Sager laptop with a i7 2920 extreme edition processor; 16 gigs ram; a GeForce GTX 485M; 2 hard drives at 750 gigs each; a 1920 by 1080 pixel 15 inch 95% NTSC gamut monitor; a wacom cintiq tablet monitor for drawing, painting, and digital sculpting; and a mouse with 3 joysticks

Cool. Can it bake cookies too?

Did the Ho Chi Minh stuff in Hanoi today, museum, maosoleum, memorial, also some 1000 year old pagoda and a temple by a lake which used to have tortoises in it, and where allegedly a sword has been buried for 1000 years. Other than that, it’s all motorcycles here, a rather practical solution to not having money to buy cars, not having roads to drive them on and lacking any kind of parking space. I’m somewhat glad I’m going back to Bangkok tomorrow.

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##### rq

rorschach
Sounds like a good time!

+++

I think I’m going to take myself to see Eddie Izzard. Just because.

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##### Parrowing

Venting time, feel free to skip.

Ugh… so I’ve been going to a language café every Wednesday for the past year. It’s pretty much the only place I go to on any regular basis so I feel that I owe it to myself to keep going for the sake of doing something. I’ve made “friends” through this group, but the problem is that I don’t actually really like any of these people most days. I’ve come to dread Wednesdays and have built up a lot of anxiety around this.

I don’t really have any other options for getting out and doing things- I live in a small town with very few social options and without public transportation around the town. I can’t really afford the travel to other towns, am somewhat physically limited, and do not have a car or a bike. Also, I’ve been feeling so anxious lately that I’m too afraid to start anything new. But I often feel like shit around these people and some of them are so woo-obsessed and selfish that they spend the entire two hours going on about what silly new thing they tried/learned… like zen coaching, or how awesome Michael Cremo is. I don’t know that there is a way out of this other than just putting up with it until I move, but I really needed to get this out. Sorry.

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##### opposablethumbs

:cough: How about his dad sucking it up for one movie, by way of a birthday present? :cough:

Too right. You’d bloody well think so, wouldn’t you.
There are some we can all agree on – like Nueve Reinas/Nine Queens, for instance, which we saw a while back – but they are few and far between!

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##### opposablethumbs

the biological vaccuum cleaner

lol. Oh yes, I remember that! Good luck …

we have video footage of Spawn#1 at age about 1-and-a-half happily taking Former Monster Dog’s bone right out of his mouth, contemplating having a chew, and eventually giving it back to him. (we were right there, and the dog was looking at us for permission to take it back :-) That dog was exceptionally placid with humans, unlike the other one, but OF COURSE never left alone with them at that age of child because you cannot expect an animal not to react if a toddler accidentally causes it pain). We weren’t scornful of hygiene by any means, but they did eventually get exposed to pretty much everything …

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##### katenrala

@ Caine, poisoned chalice

It’s amazing how much laptops have come down in price. With their portability and a home wi-fi network I see no reason to go back to a desktop unless I’m building a huge workstation/server rig and a small renderfarm.

@ rorschach

Cool. Can it bake cookies too?

The heat output from the vents can if I turn off my custom home-built laptop cooler (3 120mm fans blowing 70cfm on a tilted aluminum grill). The thing is a beast.

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##### Caine, Fleur du mal

Katenrala:

With their portability and a home wi-fi network I see no reason to go back to a desktop

Yeah, I agree. There’s little reason to go back to a desktop these days. I do have my moments when I miss my custom built alienware desktop, though.

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##### katenrala

Sager. Sager. You wanna Sager. :)

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##### Caine, Fleur du mal

Katenrala:

Sager. Sager. You wanna Sager. :)

I certainly wouldn’t mind having one! I figure by the time Aphra dies, I ought to be able to afford something much more drool worthy. :D

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Before my cancer came back I was going to hand build a multi-socket water-cooled workstation pc with at least 96 gigs of ram on one of those new monstrous hybrid server/workstation motherboards. I bought a $500 case for it and then discovered I was sick again, so I had to get a laptop for travelling. 266. 266 ##### Caine, Fleur du mal Katenrala: Before my cancer came back I was going to hand build a multi-socket water-cooled workstation pc with at least 96 gigs of ram on one of those new monstrous hybrid server/workstation motherboards. I bought a$500 case for it and then discovered I was sick again, so I had to get a laptop for travelling.

Holy rodent, that sounds amazing! I love monster mods.

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##### katenrala

@ Caine, poisoned chalice

Holy rodent, that sounds amazing! I love monster mods.

I’m a total computer junkie. :p Plus building them is easier done than imagined, I’ve built one of my desktops from scratch and was always modding my Mother’s desktops. If I had the money I’d make a media computer for my audiophile Uncle.

Well I’m off to radiation now and then a nap. I’ll talk with you later. :)

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

opposablethumbs
My kids, especially the little one enthusiastically share food with animals, especially animal food. I swear that half the rabbit treats end up in their bellies and it is kind of cute if she has a doggie-biscuit, nibbles it, lets our friends’ dog* have a bite and then eats the rest.

*That dog, too, is very well trained in general and best pal with the little one especially. He is very careful when he takes a treat out of their fingers so he doesn’t accidentially bite them.

Speaking of said friend, she’s in hospital due to being over-due. Seems like her body is very reluctant to go into labour, even with medication. I can only imagine how frustrated she must be now. But she’s in hospital and monitored, so everything should be fine in the end…

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##### rorschach

It is 1023pm in Hanoi. Picture this: The landmark 1901 colonial hotel, dark mahogany furniture in the bar, plush armchairs, French speaking Vietnamese waiters, a mainly middle-aged and well off tourist audience, and a local live act performing “I will survive” to the enthusiastic applause of the previously apathetic bar audience. Somewhat awesome, if awkward.

Off to the war museum tomorrow before my flight back. Apparently the USA fought a war here not so very long ago.
Noisy stupid American tourists currently ruining the mood by rudely ordering the waiters around and being generally arrogant and obnoxious. Funny how they still think they rule the planet and are superior wherever they go. Embarrassing. But I used to feel like this about Germans abroad too.

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

rorschach
No luck so far in meeting Vietnamese people with a thick Saxonian accent?

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

WMDKitty, your Gracie is so pretty! (I used my phone to look at the upside-down picture)

Thanks for all the well-wishing… I seem to be “better” but I’m afraid to eat anything. I spent the whole night “emptying myself” and I don’t want to put anything else in until I’m sure I can keep it. I had a protein shake for breakfast, but that’s about the closest to solid food I’m willing to risk right now.

opposablethumbs, birthday ideas I’m sort of at a loss for. I usually spent my teen birthdays with my family, so the ideas are all bowling and dinner and movie. As an adult, I like to pretend I have a whole lot of money and go window shopping with my wife. I try on $2000 watches and get them to pull down the$3500 guitars for me to noodle on. So not really much help either way I guess.

Parrowing, sorry about your lack of social options. I’ve got no advice, I’m sort of in the same boat.

Computery folks, my desktop is custom built, and I’m thinking about scooping the guts out and putting a nice system together. The components are all fairly high-end for 2007 when I built it, but now not so much. On the other hand, I don’t find anything that really taxes the system to any great degree, so why spend the money?

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##### Caine, Fleur du mal

Rorschach:

Funny how they still think they rule the planet and are superior wherever they go.

Yeah, because every ‘merican is exactly like that. Guess one has to be a condescending git fond of sweeping generalizations to see it.

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##### rorschach

No luck so far in meeting Vietnamese people with a thick Saxonian accent?

The only people here with Saxonian accents are backpacker tourists from Germany, and you can tell them from 10 miles away, at least I can. Sure looks as if there are quite a few tourists here who have fallen on hard times, or who are going for the whole broke peasant experience. It’s all so 1983…

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##### rorschach

Guess one has to be a condescending git fond of sweeping generalizations to see it.

Nah, just travelling beyond North Dakota regularly makes that pretty clear. Try it some time.

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

Parrowing,

I feel for you. I tried to socialize with a couple of girls women my age at work, who also came there a month ago, but it’s just not going to work.

Today, we would have passed Bechdel test only because I started talking about my job testing.

Luckily, I have my mentor who I get along with great.

Any chances of there being someone there who is just as bored/annoyed as you, but trying to hide it too?

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##### opposablethumbs

she has a doggie-biscuit, nibbles it, lets our friends’ dog* have a bite and then eats the rest.

:-D :-D :-D love it.

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##### la tricoteuse

It’s confirmation bias. You don’t notice the ones not being obnoxious assholes because they’re not, well, being obnoxious assholes.* And every country has its own brand of typical obnoxious behaviour when overseas, because being away from home makes people sort of…magnify themselves in a way, to comfort themselves when out of their element.

*I do this all the time with Italians and Americans (more citizenships means more people to be embarrassed by!) Americans in London, because I notice them a lot more than any other foreigners, and I did the same with just the Americans when I was in Italy. I only remember the ones who babbled about how they weren’t voting for Obama because he wanted to take their guns away, or who tried to order drinks from me in elementary Spanish (because hey, same language, right?), or the Italians who bitch nonstop about the food here in the UK (despite never actually eating any of it, since they only go to McDonald’s). Because that’s what I expect from them. (Though, to be fair, I also remember the Americans I overhear saying endearingly stupid things like “That’s where Maximus was imprisoned” like Gladiator really happened.) Confirmation bias.

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##### AJ Milne

I love monster mods…

I must confess to a certain drooling affection for ridonkulously powerful server hardware.

I get to play with it extremely regularly, actually, but rarely get the physical experience, since it’s generally in a lab somewhere else and there’s people I call when someone actually has to route the fibre optics or install cards or so on…

But now and then, I get into the machine rooms in person. And ah, the sound of those things coming online… Like a jet’s turbines spinning up, all those fans. Vrroooooommmmm. The beast is now coming to life, and that crackle in the air you now feel is the presence of the immense, restless power within… Please secure any loose objects, and stay away from the inlets and the exhaust stream for your safety…

The geek version of monster truck love, I suppose.

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##### rq

opposablethumbs
Well, the two eldest got off the cat-kibble habit once they started staggering around on their own hind ones, so I’m expecting youngest to do the same. ;)
As it is, we’re all about strengthening the immune system through exposure (although I do have my limits, don’t worry – I’m not feeding them raw, room-temperature chicken). Besides, [anecdote] my mum swears that my eldest brother survived eating chicken poo with no ill effects [/anecdote], so…

Parrowing
That sucks, that’s annoying, and I can understand (a little bit). I used to take Eldest to a Christian children’s group (with therapist for the mothers), and it was such a relief to find another scientifically-oriented mother there (quite by accident). While I wasn’t all atheist and stuff back them (not out loud, anyway), all the god-this and god-that* talk was putting me on edge… So, there just might be someone else in that group as fed up with the woo as you are. The trick is figuring out who. (Not easy.) Good luck, and *hugs* in anticipation of the session (if you’re going)!
You can always vent here on your return; it helps.

*I still have a book from those sessions, titled something along the lines of How a REAL Woman Acts (Treats Her Man), which I started reading, vaguely agreed for a while, until I tried putting the theories in practice. All about being happy on behalf of your man husband and never mind those pesky ideas of your own. Yeah, that didn’t work out too well for me.

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##### cicely

Nutmeg: I endorse the floral collage project. It’ll last longer without watering.
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Caine: New laptop leads to new Cute Rat Pics, yes?
:)
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Portia: Sympathies for your migraine. Nonononono…not so much for the migraine, as for you, in your migraine-ful state.
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Owlmirror: That is, indeed, one huge manatee.
:)
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On a slight tangent, I actually remember functioning without computers.
I think everything was in black-and-white.
and there was paper everywhere.

Yes, indeed! And the paper came striped in green and white, each stripe about three lines of characters deep, and with multitudinous little holes at both (perforated) margins. I remember it well!

Oh, you mean before that? I have dim memories of something called “narrow-ruled paper” that was way better than sliced bread—certainly better than the “college-ruled” stuff—because there were more lines per page, and I could therefore get more class notes to the page. (I write way small.) Yea, verily, and graph paper could be readily purchased in entire packets, ruled at eight teeny tiny squares to the inch—and even smaller—very useful when mapping dungeons (while not wanting to paper the entire damned tabletop)—and, if you were lucky, circular plot paper. Available in stores.

*sigh*

Oh, I know; these days you can print off all the microscopically-small-gauge graph paper you like, but it just doesn’t taste the same.
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Starting with the simple assumption that {\em the actual world is the best possible world}, [...]

A novice’s mistake. Whoever this is should tear up the paper and redo from start.
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iJoe: How did the not-a-hope chest turn out?
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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Cicely, the not-a-hope chest turned out pretty well. It needs one more coat of tung oil, and I’m debating putting a thin polyurethane coat on the lid so that we can put it in the living room and use it as a coffee table. So it turned out well enough that I think it can be used as a coffee table?

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

Hi Lounge I’ve been cheating on you with the Thunderdome. I’m sorry :(

Found out that about three pages of edits to my story never saved so I gotta redo them all. In a minor note, however, that does at least make it easier to add the fantasy twist I was missing. So now instead of chasing a single strangler, the Investigative Unit will be chasing a strangler and an unlicensed mage.

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##### rq

The plot thickens! :)

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@rq:

Literally. Took me so long of banging my head against the wall trying to break through it, and finally it dawned on me. It adds the “this definitely couldn’t happen in New York ” angle while also not breaking the rules of my story. It also lets me change around a bit of the motive for the strangler, create a connection between the first and second books, and create the general overarching theme of the series with awesome plot twists and story elements and a total “holy crap didn’t expect that” ending.

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##### rq

Katherine
In other words, the perfect solution! That’s exciting news. And I hope all subsequent (re-)writing goes well!

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

Katherine,

Can we still expect your book this summer?
I’m planning to buy it as a birthday gift for myself :)

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##### rq

If Janine happens to stop by:
You mentioned the book 1491 in the previous Thunderdome thread. I have placed it on my reading list, but I’m curious – have you read Stolen Continents, by Ronald Wright? As far as I can tell, it’s on a similar topic, and if you have read it, I’m curious about your opinion on it. (I read it several years ago and was pleasantly surprised by its topic and the way it was handled, but I think it’s more of a surface-scratch rather than an in-depth study…)

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

So, today’s word is “transplantation list”.
Yes, mum’s officially on the list, even though not on the “urgent” yet, but so they can start and do all necessary tests and preparations already. I guess it counts as good news since 4 weeks ago we thought that her body was already too damaged for a transplantation.

+++

It’s confirmation bias. You don’t notice the ones not being obnoxious assholes because they’re not, well, being obnoxious assholes.*

Word.
Although there is, generally speaking, a problem with first world tourists in third world countries being neo-colonial western supremacist culturally insensitive obnoxious assholes.
To quote somebody whose name I’ve forgotten:
“The “ruler of all I survey” scene gets repeated daily on the balconies of western hotels in third world countries.”

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##### cicely

Is she a Guard Kitty? She looks like a Protector.

*looking at pic*
I just don’t see it. Where is the beak? Where is the thick, wrinkled hide? Where are the enlarged joints?

I don’t believe you could get something like that from a Pak. Possibly from a kzin.
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I would surmise that this is really about the “hefty filing fee”. The Traditional Usage excuse is just a rationalisation.
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*wiping away a tear for the poor dust bunnehs*
It’s a cold, cruel world away from the dark, warm confines of the under-couch.
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As for special presents, well I know the Spawn would love a bass clarinet … Unfortunately they tend to be just a wee bit outside my price-range …

I would love a bass clarinet, too. Years back, when we had health insurance and more disposable income, I actually priced ‘em. They were out of range then, and I very much doubt that they’ve become cheaper now.
*sigh*
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rq, how does one make a bigot vinaigrette? My instinct is to say that there needs to be some prickly pear.

I chortled.
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It seems the manuscripts were saved before the buildings were burned.

Yay!
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They are saying that the library staff has removed most of the manuscripts to a safe place somewhere else.

I hope they’re right.
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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Beatrice:

Probably not the summer. More than likely the winter. I’m gonna be banging out the final edits though, so who knows.

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##### Parrowing

Thanks iJoe, Beatrice, and rq. Sorry to hear about your situations :(

I went and today was one of those days that guilted me into thinking that maybe I’m making too big a deal of things because they aren’t that bad. There wasn’t any talk of woo today. I hadn’t thought about the Bechdel test, but we do regularly pass it. That would get to me too, Beatrice :-/.

There is one woman there who I thought might secretly be just as annoyed as I was and then she went on about ear candling. I think she’s also into magical cures through healthy eating, though that’s only my impression based on passing comments. Otherwise she’s very easy to get along with and when I mentioned that I was interested in joining a gym around here, she said she’d take me along to her gym with her free guest pass. That might be nice.

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##### dontpanic

carlie:
Sorry to hear about child 1′s concussion (missed that earlier). Re: dizziness, nausea, and headaches – my own spawn has had that for 9-10 months now (though no known concussion) to a debilitating degree; neither MRI nor CAT picked up anything. We’ve been spinning wheels for quite a while and its damn frustrating. It might be environmental ’cause I’ve had nausea and fatigue (but not the headaches and dizziness) for about 2+ years, with no resolution. And, no you won’t be able to hover; you’ll no doubt be shut out in the waiting room — the tech forcefully put down that idea when I suggested tagging along.

WMDKitty:
Gracie looks very, very much like a mirror of our “skitty”. Unfortunately, my wife is starting to suspect that her arrival might have something to do with what I was talking about in the previous paragraph.

opposablethumbs:
Birthday. Yeah, know how that goes. That coupled w/ having it right before Xmas such that even when he did have friends (all the other misfits in the special ed emotionally disturbed (gawd, I detest that terminology the school used — it infuriates me to no end; even typing it here in “jest” drives my blood to boil) classroom) getting it all together was a real hassle. Generally we’d let him float his birthday +/- 6 months to avoid that. But, this last one was quite subdued. Just he, and us, dinner out. Sorry, no good inpirational suggestions.

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##### opposablethumbs

I would love a bass clarinet, too. Years back, when we had health insurance and more disposable income, I actually priced ‘em. They were out of range then, and I very much doubt that they’ve become cheaper now.
*sigh*

Exactly, cicely. And the sound is soooooo beautiful …. so rich and full and woody and ooohhh it’s so cool for jazz ::big sigh::
He’s actually got the use of one, temporarily, that belongs to the Borough Music Service. He plays it in the borough orchestra and borough jazz band to earn his keep, as it were, and they let him keep it at home so he can play it on other occasions too. But it won’t be long before it has to go back to them, of course, for other kids to use in their turn.
We did go so far as to buy a mouthpiece and ligature, though, as the one that came with it was pretty battered.
You’re mainly a Bb clarinettist? Do you klezmer or jazz or classical or ….??? SonSpawn is jazz mad, but he’s accompanied people in other genres sometimes. I think it works beautifully to support and play around a singer, something about the range and timbre matching well I suppose. I can’t play, but I do enjoy his enjoyment!

Surprise discovery of the evening; I just an hour ago found out that the casual-for-fun adult band he’s gigged with a few times over the last few months contains a Pogue.

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##### opposablethumbs

dontpanic, it’s funny how much it means just knowing that other people know exactly what you mean. When he was younger we’d just take a cake in to school, the teacher would dish it out at breaktime and he didn’t even realise that this wasn’t a birthday party like other kids had. Those days are long gone, though.And we’ve quite often just gone out to eat at a restaurant to celebrate his birthday, it still feels special to him – but now he’s that much older, it just doesn’t stand up so well as it used to beside the fact that he knows perfectly well other kids in his year actually go out and do stuff on their own with friends. Right before xmas in your case must really put the icing on the cake! Are you at the teenage stage, or much younger …?

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##### opposablethumbs

It’s funny, though it makes perfect sense when you think about it, that a non-neurotypical child can interact quite successfully with adults when they can’t manage at all to interact successfully with other kids their own age.
Well it won’t last forever. It will get better, or at least there’s every chance it could get at least a bit better.

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##### Parrowing

Katherine Lorraine:

Back in my lurking dayz, I noticed when you said you had finished your book. You were so happy and excited and it inspired the hell out of me. After that I actually made a big push towards finishing my book because I decided I needed to know how you felt as soon as possible. Thanks so much for that and I wish you the best of luck with putting the finishing touches on yours. I can’t wait to read it!

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##### Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

Azkyroth – that’s odd, did they give a reason for wanting a different email address to use? We have it drummed into us all the reasons why using the college-based email is preferable, and I honestly much prefer it because I can a) find it no matter what, and b) don’t have the awkwardness of emailing a student at “sexylady69 at hotmail”.

The college email system is buggy and awkwardly programmed, and it requires me to go and log in to a page instead of just clicking a button on the left side of my screen in order to check mail. Also, the college email assigns addresses with numbers in them. I have a bias against email addresses with numbers tacked on the end, and I assume I’m not alone. Also, the entire mailbox is, reportedly, abruptly deleted on graduation. As such, most students avoid using it when possible, so because for SOME FUCKING REASON they want it to be used, the college refuses to send official correspondence to any other address and forces the IT desk to lie to students about whether it’s possible to set up mail forwarding (I figured it out, though it wasn’t easy), and to pretend it’s because of “security reasons.” The (in my experience) better professors get students’ real email addresses and add them to a distribution list.

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##### Nutmeg

Opposablethumbs:

I would love such a thing (ooh, what do you think of the idea of having a few flowers printed in black and white instead, scattered in among the others, to sort of underline that this is photographic artifice and not pretend-real? Will only be noticed if looking closely, too) (that is, if you’re printing from electronic; if you’re using existing prints this doesn’t apply, obviously) (Will there be a photographic vase, or the flowers on their own?)

Thanks for the enthusiasm! I finished it last night, and for a first try at this kind of project, it turned out all right. I love the idea of black and white, and I might try that next time, with a few flowers or as a whole collage. I found that 8×8 was a little small to work with, so an 8×10 or 11×15 frame would give me more room to play.

No vase this time, just a bunch of flowers in a frame. A vase might be fun to try but probably a little more difficult to arrange.

*resists urge to run home and make crafts*

If I ever have a chance to send gifts to Horde members, some of you might be getting cheerful flower collages.

Giliell:

So, today’s word is “transplantation list”.
Yes, mum’s officially on the list, even though not on the “urgent” yet, but so they can start and do all necessary tests and preparations already.

That’s great news!

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##### cicely

When Son was two, he bit our Runt-cat on the ear, perforating it. I felt that she exercised admirable restraint, only clawing him once, lightly, on the arm before making good her escape.
She was not quite so forgiving a year later, in connection with the notorious closet incident.
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she has a doggie-biscuit, nibbles it, lets our friends’ dog* have a bite and then eats the rest.

*nodding*
Manners.
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opposiblethumbs: For a number of years (while I played with a local community band) I had the use of a bass clarinet belonging to the associated high school—which had four of them. I have no idea why none of them were being used by the hs band, unless they actually owned a fifth one that I never saw. Unfortunately I had to quit the band and give it back.
:( :( :(
I’d've given someone’s good right arm to keep it.

I’ve got just a standard Bb of my own, but it’s been…hmmm…10-ish years? since I’ve played it. I’m actually pretty decent on it, when I, ya know, practice, but playing solo is just so sad and joyless.
:( :( :(
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##### dontpanic

it’s funny how much it means just knowing that other people know exactly what you mean. Yeah, I know :-)

Are you at the teenage stage, or much younger …? Just turned 15. Now his shoe size has fallen one below his age. Or, maybe not — haven’t bought shoes lately.

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

Azkyroth,

The college email system is buggy and awkwardly programmed, and it requires me to go and log in to a page instead of just clicking a button on the left side of my screen in order to check mail. Also, the college email assigns addresses with numbers in them. I have a bias against email addresses with numbers tacked on the end, and I assume I’m not alone. Also, the entire mailbox is, reportedly, abruptly deleted on graduation. As such, most students avoid using it when possible, so because for SOME FUCKING REASON they want it to be used, the college refuses to send official correspondence to any other address and forces the IT desk to lie to students about whether it’s possible to set up mail forwarding (I figured it out, though it wasn’t easy), and to pretend it’s because of “security reasons.” The (in my experience) better professors get students’ real email addresses and add them to a distribution list.

That sounds remarkably like my university, except that bit about email addresses with numbers on the end and forwarding. I forwarded all my emails to my gmail account without any problems.

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

Missed this:

[Giliell] So, today’s word is “transplantation list”.
Yes, mum’s officially on the list, even though not on the “urgent” yet, but so they can start and do all necessary tests and preparations already.

Good. Thumbs held/fingers crossed.

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##### opposablethumbs

Noooo, you should have a band to play with! A pianist, at least! A singer to wind your notes around!
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I have had some wine, so rather than observe proper decorum I shall demand that the universe rearrange itself in order for you to have ready access to person-or-persons to play with.
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I guess there’s no community band where you are now, or circumstances just make it impossibly difficult? That’s a shame. I hope that circumstance changes in the not-too-distant future. A guitarist neighbour, a keyboard-playing colleague …
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It’s relatively easy to find stuff like this for kids to take part in; not so easy to find real music-making opportunities for adults. (Oh my FSM they had four!? and didn’t use them? Argh!)

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##### opposablethumbs

I too missed saying ALL TENTACLES CROSSED for the transplant list situation, Giliell. That’s great that they consider her a possible candidate, considering what you mentioned earlier.
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We’re on similar pages, then, dontpanic – SonSpawn is 16 going on 17. Teenage years are hard enough for the neurotypical, nobody needs that extra helping of impossibly-complicatedness dammit.

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##### la tricoteuse

Cicely:

I don’t know where you live, or if something like this exists there, but there are websites like http://www.find-a-musician.com (which appears to cover a few different countries) for people who want to find people to play with. Another one that might help is meetup.com. It’s more general but you can find/start a group for people who like to play music together or something, I’m sure. Again, depending on where you live.

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##### cicely

opposiblethumbs: Son has decided, post-divorce, to take lessons in piano/keyboard. Maybe…just maybe….

As far as I know, the community band is still there; but the time came when I had to make a choice between the band, and the SCA, which had meetings on the same night—and at that time I was playing recorder with 4 other SCAdians, and was incredibly pissed off with certain persons in the community band, so it was a relatively easy choice. Now, though, due to cash/travel constraints I’m not playing in the SCA, either…but then, the recorder-playing situation dried up and blew away a couple of years ago, leaving me bereft of music.

At least four. I find it hard to believe that a high school band of that size doesn’t have a superfluity of clarinetists such that the director wouldn’t put somebody on at least one bass.
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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Giliell, yay for the transplant list progress!

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##### opposablethumbs

Son has decided, post-divorce, to take lessons in piano/keyboard

Sounds like a good maybe! That would be a lovely thing to do; I hope it happens. Its a real shame the recorder group has dispersed, there’s some amazingly great music for recorder consorts (I had no idea there was such great contemporary stuff, as well as the early music you tend to hear more of)
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I still live in hope that DaughterSpawn will at some point decide to fool around with the violin again (it’s taken a back seat for the moment) because I so want them to do something they can legitimately entitle “Mindless Sax and Gratuitous Violins”.

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##### Dalillama, Schmott Guy

Gilliell
Yay for transplant progress
IJoe
Yay for the chest being finished.

I don’t really have anything substantive to say, though.

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##### la tricoteuse

opposablethumbs: Sparks beat them to it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratuitous_Sax_%26_Senseless_Violins

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##### la tricoteuse

Whoops. Not exactly. But Close.

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##### opposablethumbs

la tricoteuse, Grrr. Well, it had to have been done – but it’s such a great name, there’s no harm in using it a bit more!

I don’t know that album, but I certainly hope they actually had sax and violin on it :-)

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##### la tricoteuse

opposable thumbs:

Synth ones, possibly? I think Sparks mostly had keyboards for instrumentation, though I’m not an expert on them.

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##### cicely

la tricoteuse : Thanks! I’ve registered, now we’ll see what, if anything develops.
:)
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opposiblethumbs: Son is so very frustrating, when it comes to playing music. He has the most amazing talent for the recorder, picking up the fingerings and reading of treble clef (previously only being acquainted with bass clef, by way of learning trombone (which is another story only tangentially related to my current one)), very casually one evening. Because he was bored. He then proceded to very competently play the middle part to the most complicated piece of SCA dance music that our group had—and did I mention that he was 11 or 12 at the time?—with the rest of our group. Recorder doesn’t interest him, however, so he has only rarely been willing to play it with me. Exercising almost superhuman restraint, I have refrained from pressing him, because I didn’t figure that there was any point in coercing him into playing, and I’m hoping that one day he’ll discover an interest in it.

Keyboard being something he’s interested in for himself, I think there’s actually a reasonable chance of playing duets, once he gets that far along. His instructor is apparently surprised at how quickly Son is picking it up….

I so want them to do something they can legitimately entitle “Mindless Sax and Gratuitous Violins”.

I have, drifting somewhere around my house, a piece I composed titled “Duet For Two Equally-Harrassed Recorders”. In 12/8.
:)
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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

Dalillama,

I don’t really have anything substantive to say, though.

Me either. In the plus column, that means we don’t have much to complain about, right? Or at least nothing new on top of the normal problems, and sometimes that’s the best you can hope for.

Like, I’m sort of worn out from pooping 20-25 times last night, but I’m done pooping now. That’s a check in the “win” column. All of my guitar gear dreams are probably going to come true because LAYAWAY!* I’m a little stressed and anxious today, but I’ll scrape through somehow and in the meanwhile I’m making bacon-wrapped meatloaf with a chili glaze, roasted red potatoes, and asparagus in vinegar and shaved Parmesan cheese. And even though I’m trying to refrain from drinking, I’m thinking maybe a glass of wine would help because I normally don’t get much caffeine and as I was typing this I realized that I’ve been drinking caffeinated iced tea all day. Normally not a big deal, except for me following chigau’s advice about staying hydrated and drinking a gallon and a half of tea in the last four hours. So I’m buzzing like a dildo in your luggage.

*Which seems a little ridiculous but I’ve got all sorts of weird neuroses about not being worth having nice things that my parents drilled into me by making me do without and then giving away their money to deadbeat relatives instead of spending it on me… and then they spent money on my younger brother once I moved out, even bought him a truck. But I’m not bitter!

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##### Hekuni Cat, MQG

WMDKitty – Gracie is beautiful.

Giliell – Great news! And *more hugs*

cicely:

I don’t believe you could get something like that from a Pak. Possibly from a kzin.

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##### Menyambal --- inesteemable

As for musical instruments, I’ve been enjoying the ukulele. I started to say “my” ukulele, but I have five of them now.

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##### rq

Oh! Right! bluentx is a state-certified water-treatment expert… Well, if I have any questions abuot fluoridation, I’ll ask you! Currently reading. And the anti-fluoride crowd seems more and more woo-y. Which isn’t to say they’re necessarily wrong.

+++

Thanks for all the support.

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##### theophontes (恶六六六缓步动物)

@ bluentx (WMDKitty)

I agree that ideally adoption should be considered before IVF

Hey, I can top that! People should always adopt a child before even attempting any kind of getting pregnant.

/perspective

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##### bluentx

Oh! Right! bluentx is a state-certified water-treatment expert…

Ha! Like I said, it’s been a few years since we’ve used it so I’ll do my best to rack my brain or look it up in the training manuals. :)
The main thing I remember is: when connecting to a 55-gallon drum of CONCENTRATED hydrofluoric acid try not to inhale. The vapors will seriously irritate your moist nostrily bits!

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##### bluentx

Correction: hydrofluoricylisic acid

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##### rq

bluentx
Ah, I’ll try to remember that next time I’m connecting to a 55-gallon drum of the stuff. I’m wondering how hazardous it is to health itself (the chemical used, more than the fluoride). Seeing as my friend wrote this: “You can get the necessary fluoride from 1 cup of regular tea. In this world health is a buissness… sick peoples means money for phamaceutical companies ect…. North America is probably the most corrupt area with this stuff… Europe bans so many more hassardous chemicals from everything, I would believe a European health expert, but not one from here unless I actually know them personally.” (I had a giggle about the NA health experts being less trustworthy than European ones…), I’m thinking that adding the fluoride has to induce some visible and statistically high health problems for the pharmaceutical companies to make millions and billions (and what about the dentists about to make millions and billions off all those new cavities appearing in children?).
I looked up the info about fluoride in tea, and it’s true, you can get all your fluoride from tea… Except I don’t give (green, black) tea to the children because I just don’t.
I’m getting the distinct idea that it’s actually difficult to overdose on fluoride (drink over-fluoridated water, eat toothpaste, drink several cups of strong tea a day, etc.). Am I wrong to think that, or am I using science wrong?

(Plus, all those arguments are from a pretty privileged viewpoint, as I see it – if you have access to good dental health care, and you remember to (can afford to?) brush regularly with fluoride toothpaste, not fluoridating water isn’t going to have much of an impact on you… But if it’s your only source of fluoride…?)

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##### bluentx

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of “overdosing” on fluoride per se. You can get too much in the sense that too high a concentration will cause a mottling of the teeth . Too much, too little -the dentists win either way! That’s one reason there are strict regulations on the amount added to drinking water.
As for getting enough through tea (especially 1 cup/day)- hadn’t heard that before. I would wonder if it might be like some vitamins and minerals– you can take it in but does the body utilize it all or is most of it get flushed away as waste? And personally I’m skeptical about all the ‘miracles’ attributed to green tea. (And don’t get me started on Dr. Oz and his new coffee cure!)
Will have to read up on it more myself. Haven’t kept up with the ‘debate’ as I thought it was pretty much settled science years ago. Of course, new research may have made new discoveries.

Okay, let me toddle on home and I’ll be back online in an hour or so…

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##### rq

The stuff I’m reading discusses the drawbacks of too much fluoride, which is what I mean by ‘overdosing’ (to clarify). Things like osteofluorosis annnnd this mysterious acute fluoride toxicity (if, say, children ingest half or more of a tube of toothpaste…). Which is the funny thing: all connection to fluoride poisoning, that I can see so far, has to do with eating large amounts of toothpaste. Which isn’t recommended anyway, and yes, can kill (or at least induce vomiting, diarrhea, etc.).
But fluoridated water?

Tea: wikipedia talks about potential fluoride in tea (really? that much?), and my friend linked to an article (lost the link now, will have to find later, bank appt approaching) where a woman drank multiple gallons of tea a day for years, thus having an excess of fluoride in the system (osteofluorosis! <- BTW, can you glow in the dark with osteofluorescent bones…?).

Yes, I thought the debate was settled long ago, but you know, skepticism, conspiracy and Big Pharma/business… Somebody’s gotta be making millions off these things, so bad.

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##### strange gods before me ॐ

There is a bugmenot login for easy access to the free PDF Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA’s Standards.

(No piracy here; they give out the PDFs for free, and registration is free to everyone, this just bypasses registration.)

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

HI there
MIldly interesting: I had a weird dream last night. Not so much about content which wasn’t very exciting or anything, but about optics. In my dream scenes were zooming in and out like in a movie. So I’d look at a hill/mountainside with a small clearing in the distance and then the focus would zoom to that clearing and what was going on there. Dream-me was still standing in the same place because dream-me then turned around and went inside to pack for a hiking-trip.

flouride
I was wondering about that hype some time ago before because it didn’t seem to be an issue here, until I found out that natural levels are higher here than in the States so you don’t need to add it to get the same level.
The only sensible argument I can see is from efficiency because different people drink different amounts of tab water, so while I will have 3-4 l a day (yes, I drink lots) others might only drink half a pint and then drink bottled water or soft drinks.

rq
No, you’re not asking for too much.
I find that being a couple once in a while as opposed to parents is fucking important. No, we don’t get once a month, but we do enjoy our time a lot.

WMDKitty
Could you please stop being fucking dismissive of other people’s lives for once? We can take it to the Thunderdome if you want, but this isn’t the first time I notice you making really arrogant statements about situations that are very private and individual and then complain when people criticise you.

+++
BTW, did you know that while “fuck” was banned on “Friends”, “bitch” wasn’t? No, I’m totally not surprised.

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Fluoride applied topically and fluoride ingested have significantly different levels of effect. The stuff in toothpaste doesn’t really do much IIRC. A good video from Concordance. He might be something of an accommodationist but on this sort of science topic he seems to really know his shit.

Never in my life have I lost consciousness outside of sleep, medical assistance or the vigorous application of the ground to my head. Not even repeated efforts in my youth with massive amounts of alcohol could do it. Hell, on most of those occasions I wished with all my sodden might that I could get to sleep, if only to stop the bed from spinning so. I’ve often wondered if that ability to function despite sloshing with booze is a factor in the history of alcoholism in my family.

Anyway, my ‘best’ ground/skull nap happened when I was 14 or 15. I’d bought my first road bicycle, a used metallic green Apollo ten speed. I spent the winter trying to get it functioning again, and because I had no idea what I was doing it took a while. The first time I rode it I ran into a concrete drainage block at a rather severe rate of knots. I saw the ground coming up at me and turned my head, which might have saved my neck.

White flash.

The next thing I know I’m laying in the ditch no bike to be seen. This giant head hoaves zeppelin-like into view and says “Are you alright, are you alright? The bike did a complete flip, that was so cool! Are you alright?” I must have been out for a minute or two for him to get to me.

I was really sad because bike was a write off, bent fork, staved in wheel and buckled frame. I still am, it was beautiful thing before I decided to use it to test inelastic collisions. But that might be the concussion damage talking. :)

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Hey rq, despite my teasing I’m really sorry that your house purchase didn’t go through on the first attempt. Besides, I put a little side money on you getting there first….

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##### Parrowing

rq: No, you are not expecting too much nor should you feel guilty. I hope you are finally able to sign the papers today!

*

I had a very weird and kind of disturbing dream last night. A few days ago IRL I found out that a university friend of mine died in June. I felt sad, obviously, though we had not kept up since graduating almost six years ago and were never very close, so I wasn’t devastated. In my dream, she was haunting (though I think my dream brain called it trolling) anyone who had PTSD, including myself. I was stuck in a car in the middle of a comic book-esque city, it was night time and raining, and she was causing lights to flash and cars to crash.

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

Oh dear gods I am insane. I have to literally set the price of a loaf of bread.

The Ministry of Finance in Tavsere, along with the other major capital cities, have recognized 5 values of currency, a Quarter-Sterling, a Half-Sterling, a Sterling, a Half-Gilder, and a Gilder. 1 Gilder is equal to 10 Sterling. (Different cities mint different styles of coin, with different images, but they all weigh the same in the end.)

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

Katherine
Don’t base your numbers on modern prices, base them on prices of societies similar to the one you’re writing about.
A good idea is to think how long somebody would haave to work to earn enough to buy bread. Nowadays this is rather short, say, from 30 minutes on minimal wage (is bread really tht fucking expensive in the States?) to a few minutes forsomebody in a middle-class job.
Now, think about your grandparents, or great-grandparents. How long did they have to work?
Income spending rates on various things have changed dramatically, goods have changed in value dramatically.

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

Oh, and the best tweet I read today from a German guy:
“Those who say we need to discuss sexism against men now equally with sexism against women probably also first put out the fire in the trash bin before the one in the hospital”

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Fair enough, I think I see your point. But are there things available for purchase that are cheaper than bread? It would seem likely to me, for bread needs a farmer, a miller and a baker all of whom need to get payed.

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@FossilFishy:

1/4 Sterling is the lowest size. I’m more trying to figure out the average income than anything else.

@Giliell:

Yup, bread is $5 on average (for good bread. Wonder Bread – which isn’t bread, it’s air – is about$3.)

It’s hard to think about cause I don’t want to devalue my own currency XD Changing numbers willy-nilly has caused economic upheaval, in my brain at least.

I usually use 1 Sterling per day on average, but then I start losing it when I come to things like houses and such. Sure, using small coinage (1-2 Sterling for an inn room for a day) is decent and easy. How much should a house cost? 1000 Gilder? That’s over 10,000 days of work for an average person. 100 Gilder? 3 years work? Is that acceptable? What about rich people? They probably make between 10-20 Gilder a day, doesn’t a 100 Gilder house then get devalued?

Economics I hate you!

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##### birgerjohansson

Hooray for socialized dental care (Sweden style). I went for the first check-up for years Wednesday. No cavities, but lots of plaque removed. It cost me SKR 1100, about 140 US bucks, but it is still only a part of the full cost.
I learned that the wife of a neighbour/retired former co-worker had died suddenly. I bought a bouqet of flowers and delivered them last evening. He seems to hold up well, but I am glad his sons live here in town and can provide support.
Crap. This is the second time in 18 months a neighbour in the 65-66 year age bracket has died suddenly.

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

Katherine
How big are social differences?
If you look at the Jane Austen Novels and similar stuff, rich people easily made enough in a day to pay a poor person for a year.
Also, something to think about: Do people actually regularly buy bread or is it something most people make at home so buying it has a “luxury factor”?

birger
Sorry to hear about the neighbour :(

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Giliell:

It really depends on the city. In Tavsere, the noble class is probably more in line with the upper middle class rather than just the upper class, closer to the average. There’s no real systematic poverty, since society protects and assists with those who run into hard times.

But yes, you’re right, most people would probably buy the flour and eggs rather than the bread, it’s a definite luxury item for those who cannot make their own bread (be it for time or space reasons.) The city has a huge farm industry directly outside the gates, but the majority of the people inside are craftsmen or artisans or such.

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Oh for fuck’s sake, I thought the Giliell’s 416 was you Katherine. When my already dodgy reading comprehension fails that hard it really is time to go to bed.

My point is that if you set the value of your smallest denomination such that it can buy a loaf of bread then what are your characters going to use to buy an apple should the need arise plot-wise.

Anyway, I’m too tired figure out if I’m helping or making things worse, so I’ll leave it at that.

I don’t envy you your task Katherine. World building at that scale does my head in. It’s why I’ll never be an author despite having a plot that I’ve been writing in my head for years as I fall asleep and despite occasionally being able to turn a phrase that some folks seem to like. But I do however look forward with great anticipation to the day that I’ll get to read your book.

Annnd once again I’m worried about fire. The big one 40 or so K away has jumped it’s primary containment lines but the fall-back line is apparently holding. I think I’m getting a better handle on when to panic though. The CFA isn’t even warning the next town 10k down the valley from the fire let alone us so we should be good for the night. Sigh. Won’t stop me from getting up and checking in the wee hours with little likelihood of getting back to sleep afterwards. Come to sunny Australia they said…it’s beautiful here they said….grumble….grumble….

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##### WMDKitty -- Survivor

Giliell

I’m “dismissing” their experiences by pointing out that there are children waiting for a forever family, and that adoption is good for ALL parties involved.

Riiiiight.

I am NOT “dismissing” their experiences or feelings, I’m pointing out that their choice to use IVF is incredibly narcissistic.

It’s obvious to any rational person that for many — not all — of these idjits, it’s not really about having a kid, but about perpetuating their genetic material, and having the “right kind” of family, because adoption is still looked upon as inferior in this country. (Unless you’re adopting an infant from some backwater third-world country, then you’re the Great White Savior, swooping in and “rescuing” the poor thing, and that’s a trope for a different discussion.)

I am UPSET because they are perpetuating some very harmful tropes and narratives, and they are directly harming foster children by rejecting them in favor of “natural” offspring. I know they don’t mean to do this, and may not even be aware of it, but as so many people here are fond of saying, INTENT IS NOT MAGIC. These people shouldn’t get a pass on it just because they can’t conceive and their feelings are hurt by the mere suggestion of adoption.

How do you think it feels, knowing that you could have had a forever family, but got screwed out of it because some selfish asshole thought their genes were more important than a living, breathing already-born child? Here’s a hint: It HURTS. Yeah, I’m one of the lucky ones to get chosen, and I recognise that. That’s why I want people to adopt — so that ALL children are wanted and loved.

So tell me, why should the feelings of the wanna-breeds take precedence over the rights and needs and emotional and mental health of the already-born children they’re explicitly rejecting?

And what about the inherent racism, ableism, and ageism* in choosing IVF over one of those horribly imperfect non-white over-five foster children?

* Check the foster care statistics, you’ll find the overwhelming majority of children still waiting to be adopted are brown or black, disabled in some manner (sometimes as a result of being in the system), and/or past the “cute little kid” stage. You can’t tell me that ain’t due to discrimination on the part of prospective parents, because the healthy white infants — even the not-so-healthy white infants — get snatched right up.

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##### katenrala

@ Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort

Where does money come from in your story-verse? Guarded royal mines? Traders bringing gold and silver things that can be melted down? Another source? What prevents counterfeiting?

I’ve been working on a story where money comes come a interesting source in some parts of the world.

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##### strange gods before me ॐ

Katherine and those who are talking about pricing,

I understand there are some pen and paper RPGs which attempt to get serious about price ratios in a medieval or medieval-inspired setting? I wish I knew some off the top of my head, but if nobody recommends on here, it might be worth asking around on RPG forums.

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##### carlie

Just had the MRI – coolest thing ever, they gave us the cd to take to the doctor, I asked if the images were proprietary format, and nope, all jpegs we can copy ourselves too. I now have pictures of my child’s braaaainnnnzzz. :)

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##### katenrala

I have to get a blood transfusion today, I’m pumping water instead of the good stuff and my bone marrow is probably tuckered out again.

There is no finer way for a regular person to help people with cancer, other ailments, and physical injuries than to donate blood. Keep your money, as money cannot make blood, but donate the life giving fluid that runs through your body. I’ve had 34 units so far, so my blood has been totally replaced 4 times, 3 times, or nearly 3 times depending on the source of the information.

Blood transfusions and platelet transfusions have saved my life more than once but since I have cancer I am forever barred from donating, so I must beg you to donate in my stead. If you are healthy I urge you to donate blood, and regularly too, especially if you are O- as most people can accept that. But hospitals need all blood types and blood products so donate even if you’re not O-.

Please give people life; it will cost you next to nothing to do but your blood will give others everything. Thank you, there are no better words to express my deepest gratitude if you donate than thank you.

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Katenrala:

Wish I could give blood, but thanks to being blacklisted forever, I cannot.

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##### katenrala

Same sex stuff or disease? If I weren’t sick I’d be blacklisted anyway.

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Katenrala:

Both. Creutzfeld Jakobs was going around when I lived in Germany. Also I had manual and oral sex with men (nothing penetrative.)

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##### george3

Greetings All.
Just a fly by.
Good news, I hope.

http://medievalnews.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/bulk-of-timbuktu-manuscripts-survived.html

Hope this works, I’m going back to luurk mode now.

Thanks for letting me vacation amongst your various and interesting lives.

Cheers!

G

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##### carlie

For fun: The science of rocks.

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

WMDKitty,

I am NOT “dismissing” their experiences or feelings, I’m pointing out that their choice to
use IVF get pregnant by way of fucking is incredibly narcissistic.

No?

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##### Gnumann+,with no bloody irony at all (just an anti-essentialist feminist with a shotgun)

Blood transfusions and platelet transfusions have saved my life more than once but since I have cancer I am forever barred from donating, so I must beg you to donate in my stead. If you are healthy I urge you to donate blood, and regularly too, especially if you are O- as most people can accept that. But hospitals need all blood types and blood products so donate even if you’re not O-.

I can’t unfortunately. By the regulations in my neck of the woods, you can have unprotected sex with prostitutes every day of the week for a full year, and be pardoned after six months.

If you suck one cock in your teenage years, you have the choice between lying or being banned for life.
(And of course, no pardon for the prostitute either).

Yet an example of how patriarchy fucks up everything (and thinks fucking everything is ok as long as you do it as a patriarchal male).

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##### Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

I experimented with a same-age friend when I was 13-14. I note on the questionnaires that they don’t even fucking ASK about heterosexual promiscuity which is probably 3 orders of magnitude higher risk and guiltlessly neglect to mention it.

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##### Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

WMDKitty,

I am NOT “dismissing” their experiences or feelings, I’m pointing out that their choice to
use IVF get pregnant by way of fucking is incredibly narcissistic.

No?

IVF is far more comparable to adoption in terms of the time, effort, and cost required to cause the “parent of a child” thing to happen. (It’s probably actually more expensive). Thus, IVF vs. adopting is a much fairer comparison – with IVF, you’re not just starting a family the easiest, most practical way, you’re going to a LOT of trouble, but still refusing to help an existing child because having a biological one is, for whatever reason, that important.

Now…

Check the foster care statistics, you’ll find the overwhelming majority of children still waiting to be adopted are brown or black, disabled in some manner (sometimes as a result of being in the system), and/or past the “cute little kid” stage. You can’t tell me that ain’t due to discrimination on the part of prospective parents, because the healthy white infants — even the not-so-healthy white infants — get snatched right up.

My passing understanding was that there were organizational policy and even legal barriers to cross-race adoption. Does anyone have any better information on that to hand, or will I be instructed to take homework time to research it exhaustively?

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##### didgen

My daughter is currently halfway through the second surrogacy pregnancy. The first child was for an incredibly nice gay couple, this one a set of twins for a couple who have spent ten years and an astounding amount of effort and physical and emotional pain trying to have a baby. I agree that adoption should be utilised much more, and those children should all find good and loving homes, but I also see that IVF is a good thing that can help these people so much.

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##### didgen

I am absolutely not minimizing the pain children in the system go through, just saying these two things may not be so simple a fix as that.

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##### dontpanic

katenrala:
I’m O- but given the stories above in this thread, I don’t donate; I feel bad about that to some degree but even now just the thought is making me a bit twitchy. I would if I could. Sorry.

Beatrice:
Yeah, I edited it in my head the same way. WMDKitty, I understand what you’re trying to say, but unless you come out and say exactly as FTFY you’re are attacking a group that already feels in an especially vulnerable position. And you can partly blame that on some of the themes we attack here in Pharyngula: the societal pressure that if a woman doesn’t have children (of her own) that she is a less valued member of society. So you’re pointing at these women who are already getting shit, and saying “you’re a bad person for this other reason”.

My wife had a hard time getting pregnant (we waited a bit late) and though we in the end didn’t need to resort to extreme measures (not even the first steps like hormones) is was a bit worrisome whether it would ever happen. That was stressful. We did cursorily look into adoption, but frankly its damn expensive — even for those “unwanted” children there are upfront costs that look pretty insurmountable. We’ve thought about foster children as a sibling for sprog but well, he’s already a handful of “issues” and taking on another with similar or other issues is probably beyond us. I think rather than berating those that go the IVF route it would be better to advocate for the breaking down of barriers to adoption and foster care.

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

Katherine
The ban because of “living in Germany” is particularly stupid (well, so is the ban for gay people) since you can guess where Germans get their blood and I don’t remember any documented or even undocumented cases of this being a problem.

katenrala
Sorry, I can’t donate. Back in the days I donated plasma

WMDKitty
Thunderdome

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

dontpanic
Yeah, after my miscarriage we looked into options as well, not knowing if we were just unlucky or in serious trouble. It became quite clear that adoption was impossible. Mr. was already too old (over 35!), usual waiting time around 7 years and I would have had to stay at home for like forever. What would have been easier is foster children and that’s still something I hope I’ll be able to do some day. In Germany parents hardly ever lose their parental rights completely, unless they reliquish those rights the goal is always to re-unite the bio family, so you never know how long those children will be with you, even if you say you want to foster them until adulthood (You can also decide to offer short time fostering, if there’s a conflict in the family, health problems or such).

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Giliell:

But they can’t test for Creutzfeldt Jakobs or even know whether it transfers through the blood so BAN EM ALL!

It was during a specific period of time in which I lived there though, so not everyone got hit by it.

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

Katherine
Yeah, I guess I lived here during that time, too. Might even haven sucked cock…

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

@Giliell:

Gasp! You whore! :O

(I kid, of course)

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##### dianne

There have been cases of CJD being passed via blood (actually, IIRC, pooled plasma) donation, but it’s not very common. The ARC is quite paranoid that way. I’m also a lifetime ban because of time in Germany. Which is a shame, really, since I’m A- and CMV negative, so a really good candidate in general. Interestingly, I can’t donate in Germany because I take SSRIs. Oh, well.

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##### Dalillama, Schmott Guy

blueintx

Will have to read up on it more myself. Haven’t kept up with the ‘debate’ as I thought it was pretty much settled science years ago. Of course, new research may have made new discoveries.

It was. When has that ever stopped conspiracy theorists?
Katherine
If it helps, in England in 1795, a lof of bread cost 1s, and the average worker made about 3s/week (although keep in mind that the loaf inquestion weighed about 9 lb/4 kg, so notreally a comparison to the 1-2 lb/ .5-1kg loaves you see in the stores nowadays. (From here Also, SGBM’s suggestion of RPG sites is a good one. These types discussions do take place regularly there, and ofent times people will cite their sources. If you’d like, I can look for links to some of the better discussions I’ve seen recently.

Katenrala
As others have said, they won’t take my blood.

Azkyroth

I note on the questionnaires that they don’t even fucking ASK about heterosexual promiscuity which is probably 3 orders of magnitude higher risk and guiltlessly neglect to mention it.

It is my understanding that the Red Cross for the most doesn’t give a shit who you’ve had sex with in fact, There are Federal apparently regulations about the gay, though, dating back to the 80s when AIDS was “The Gay Cancer!” and no one knew how to screen for it anyway.

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##### Gnumann+,with no bloody irony at all (just an anti-essentialist feminist with a shotgun)

Might even haven sucked cock…

Doesn’t count if you’re a woman. Unless the owner of said cock ever sucked a cock of course, then it’s a life ban too.

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##### cicely

So. Nephew-in-Law has been (tentatively) diagnosed as schizophrenic, though Sister1 is still hoping for a Medications Deathmatch as the cause, instead. This is particularly unwelcome, since Niece is unemployed, N-i-L was (temporarily) not working due to an injury (but since he works at WalMart, and not managerially, you can imagine what they have by way of health insurance)…and they have a less-than-year-old baby. And live in Oklahoma.

If anybody knows of anything I can usefully refer them to (resources, advice, anything), please don’t be shy about speaking up.
:(
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Ah. WMDKitty…it pains me to have to say this, but….
While I agree with you that “every child is absolutely entitled to a loving, stable family”, and while it is true that no one is “entitled to pregnancy and childbirth”, it is also true that you aren’t entitled to mandate that someone is not allowed to feel the way they feel, though you are entitled to disagree with them about it—and they are equally entitled to tell you, should they so desire, to fuck off. This is a notoriously touchy area, bound to result in much vigorous jumping up and down on emotional sore spots—obviously yours, as much as theirs.

Ideally, all adoptable children would be adopted…but I’ve seen want-to-be adoptive parents—good, loving people, with no particular sex or racial bias—get ground up in the process; there always seemed to be more fees….

What I’m trying to say is, it’s not as cut-and-dried, black-and-white as you suggest, and you were using an awfully broad brush.
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rq: *hugs* and a ready shoulder.

I have to admit that your situation as described makes me…uneasy for you. Maybe I’m just free-floating some extra anxiety today, but….
-

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##### Gnumann+,with no bloody irony at all (just an anti-essentialist feminist with a shotgun)

Doesn’t count if you’re a woman. Unless the owner of said cock ever sucked a cock of course, then it’s a life ban too.

And through this I go on a voyage of discovery to find out how sexist my cock-comment was. Bleh! I’m so sorry.
It should have said “If you suck a cock while owning one yourself” of course (presumably, you get off if the cock you suck is your own, but most guys can’t do that).

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##### Eurasian magpie

Checked the blood donation guidelines here in Finland.

- male-male sex: permanent ban
- living in the UK during 1980-1996 for more than six months: permanent ban
- recieving blood transfusion outside Nordic contries: permanent ban
- SSRI medication: no problem
- living in Germany: not even mentioned

I’ve been most of my life too thin to donate which I was grateful for. Needles and blood-letting are a problem for me. Then the early middle-age filled me up a bit and now I do have a moral struggle about blood donation. Is phobia a justification not to give?

Probably not.

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##### athyco

I’m on the call list for two local high schools when they do their annual blood drives. The sponsors there know that I’m now slow–always on the cusp of the time limit after needle insertion–and they’re good about getting me started quickly and keeping me warm. It’s so frustrating to have them pull the needle on an incomplete donation, especially since I had years of no problem with it.

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

I’m joining Eurasian magpie on the “ashamed, but having to admit I’m scared of blood-letting” bench.

I should do some blood tests because of my own health (I already have some suspicions about my thyroid gland), haven’t done them in years, but I’m too scared. If I manage to get over that, I promise to start donating blood.

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

Well, somebody must written the wrong date for that information evening into my calendar and that somebody has a handwriting that kind of resembles mine…

+++
But YAY! Friend’s child is born.
Dunno much more than that it was a C-section after all and they’re both doing fine.

+++
And damn, my great-aunt has died :(
I guess at 90 you can’t complain…

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##### carlie

Doesn’t count if you’re a woman. Unless the owner of said cock ever sucked a cock of course, then it’s a life ban too.

And through this I go on a voyage of discovery to find out how sexist my cock-comment was. Bleh! I’m so sorry.
It should have said “If you suck a cock while owning one yourself” of course (presumably, you get off if the cock you suck is your own, but most guys can’t do that).

No, you were right the first time. If you are a woman who has ever had sex with a man who has ever had sex with another man, you are also banned. Unless you meant you were wrong for another reason that I’m too dense to parse at the moment.

I donate blood all the times I can, but I have the most useless whole blood type.

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

…and there’s also my weight being a bit under the threshold, but I’m quite short so I’m not really too thin. I just have to stop being such a coward about blood.

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##### Gnumann+,with no bloody irony at all (just an anti-essentialist feminist with a shotgun)

Carlie
I’m sorry, I was a bit unclear. The comment at 448 is totally acceptable. The sexism is in my comment at 435. Which totally fails to recognize that women suck dick too occasionally. Which does not ban them unless the suckée also has sucked dick (or otherwise contacted said member).

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##### Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

My recollection from the questionnaire is it’s a year deferral if you’re a woman who’s had sex with an MSM. Not that this makes it any better.

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

Checking the rules over here. Those who are banned from donating blood forever and ever:
-men who had sex with men
-women and men who had sex with prostitutes
-promiscuous people
-people who used to take drugs intravenously
-people on the mend from STDs and HIV positive people
-sexual partners of all of the above

Also, add to that those who suffer of various illnesses, mental illnesses being on that list too.

If people didn’t lie, I don’t think we’d be able to get enough blood in the hospitals, going by these rules.

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##### cicely

And now, Professional Temp Patch is gone.
:(
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Giliell: Yay! for your friend’s child’s birth; and hugs* for your great-aunt’s death.
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##### rq

The only time I’ve ever given blood was all those 329484729837 times I had to give it for blood tests during pregnancy. And I’m terrified of the process, much like anything medically related. Especially people in lab coats.

cicely
There’s a lot of stress going around between us these days. I’m hoping for some saner, better conversation (with follow-through) in the next few months. But I have a plan (a rather selfish one, it’s true) just in case.
I’ll be checking in here from time to time.

+++

fluoride
Also, I forgot to ask – any actual basis to the fluoride-thyroid issues connection? (I’ll continue reading tomorrow.)

+++

And in better news – *confetti! sparkles! mental exhaustion! relief!*
Yes. :) We haz house. (At least, all paperwork is submitted, and awaiting recognized and sealed return in a week or so.) Thank you for all the crossed tentacles on my behalf; they may now be crossed on someone else’s behalf! *tired little happy dance*
Now to gather my strength for the next 6 days…

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

YAY RQ HOMEOWNER ASS-KICKER!!

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##### WMDKitty -- Survivor

It’s apparent that my feelings and my pain are irrelevant because some stupid breeder is “more oppressed” than I am by their infertility. I don’t care what society is telling them, I don’t care if they’re in pain, I care that children are getting screwed over for the sake of some asshole’s DNA.

If I could, I’d adopt a whole bunch of em, but I’m one of those people who really, really shouldn’t be a parent. (And recognizes that fact.)

Blood Donation

Hep C from a pre-1990 transfusion (we think — I know I’ve never engaged in any of the behaviors that usually result in this infection.)

Can’t donate.

Still a little pissed off that they informed me of my infection via a form letter.

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##### Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

Giliell,

*combination of happy and supportive *hugs**

rq,

Congrats on house-owning!

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##### Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

rq
Congratulations

Fuoride and thyroid? I only know iodine and thyroid (Incidentially, having Hashimoto’s disease with my immune system slowly eating up my thyroid I’m supposed to abstain from iodine. Do you know how difficult it is nowadays to get iodine-free salt?)

cicely

beatrice
Thanks

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##### WMDKitty -- Survivor

*does happy dance for rq*

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##### Portia, in absentia

rq
CONGRATULATIONS!
Hiphiphooooray!

:D

and I’m sorry for the “trouble in paradise” and sorry I wasn’t around to offer *hugs* earlier. Take this backed-up pile?

cicely
*hugs*

Giliell
Yay for baby!

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##### Hekuni Cat, MQG

rq – Congratulations!

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##### cicely

rq: *confetti&fireworks* for house-having.

Now, take all of those carrots out of your pockets. You’ll draw Horses.
;)
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##### rq

Photos soon… Promise!
And to be less selfish (thank you, all… it will sink in once we start the move – oh boy!), a giant pile of hugs of varying emotions – for discouraging diagnoses, encouraging diagnoses, babies being born, neighbours dying, and any other general issues! (Special *hugs* to cicely and carlie, on behalf of the progeny and other relations.)

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##### cicely

WMDKitty

Their pain is not irrelevant.

There is no perfect answer, which will be agreeable to everybody.
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##### rq

Giliell
I’m just asking about the fluoride+thyroid, because it has showed up in a few of the (admittedly conspiracy oriented) articles I’ve been reading. I suppose you would know if fluoride is also supposed to be harmful to the thyroid… Yes, I knew of the iodine connection (and no, I have no idea how difficult it is to get non-iodized salt – I know they sell both varieties in grocery stores here). But fluoride? You may have cleared up that question for me. ;)

WMDkitty
I think I can sort of understand your point of view, but I can also sort of understand theirs… As cicely says, I just don’t think there’s any good (perfect? right?) answer to the issue. I was going to write a bit more about it, but I realize that I can’t help the situation, and in the end, I can’t even agree with myself on the ‘better’ answer. All I can do, once again, is offer *scritches* or *hugs*, as preferred.

+++

To all the congratulators – dkinrs, ridksn, ksdirn, iskndr, nikdrs for everyone! :) *happy dances some more*

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##### carlie

Yay rq!!!!!!!

I care that children are getting screwed over for the sake of some asshole’s DNA.

I don’t think it’s a zero-sum game like that. The people who are willing to adopt and would be good adoptive parents aren’t all the same people who are using IVF, and the people who use IVF aren’t all the same people who would make good adoptive parents.

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##### Caine, Fleur du mal

Another one who is blacklisted on the blood donation front. I would if I were allowed.

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##### Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

So I found out that Snip may be reacting to the topical medicine I use for his fleas, heatworm and such (Revolution) cause his fur is gone on the spot where I apply it :(

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##### David Marjanović

Part 2 of 2, with cute overload!

“Why do hairy mammals like being stroked? Scientists think that the answer lies in a particular group of neurons which respond to gentle stroking in mice. Nature Video learns more with a little help from some furry friends: LOL cats.

Yes, that’s Nature as in… Nature. The paper is here.

Another petition to ban semiautomatic guns

Tammy Duckworth, worth her weight in ducks, wants to represent you: she wants to hear from you which of 13 issues and/or “other” are most important to you. You can choose more than one.

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##### Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

I’ll go donate blood… seems like I’m the only one who can?

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##### Nutmeg

I can’t give blood either. I gave a few times in high school. But now, whenever I get even the tiniest bit nervous, my pulse gets fast and often irregular. Canadian Blood Services won’t let you give blood if your resting heart rate is over 100bpm, and I don’t think they like irregular heartbeats either. I tried to give blood a few times in undergrad, but just dealing with an unfamiliar medical person is enough to put my pulse over 100. Plus I’m pretty sure my current acne meds are teratogenic.

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##### Portia, in absentia

I’m late to the “embarrassing throwing up stories” party,but…

When I was 15, I took driver’s ed at the local high school. I was homeschooled. There were a few kids at the high school that I knew, and one of them was assigned to the same car as me. He was dreamy. Cantlookhimintheeyeandbabble kind of dreamy. He got to practice his “pull over to the side of the road”skills when I blew chunks all over my lap in the back seat.

Giving blood: I pass out from it too. So I try to help with logistics and cookies whenever there’s one nearby, hosted by either fire department or Rotary Club.

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Yeah, I’d totally give blood more often if my blood pressure wasn’t ridiculously low*.

*I can, but it takes forever, and the Red Cross people around here are incompetent**. I’ve found that elevating my legs help. It’s annoying too since I’m a) O+ and b) have a hemoglobin concentration of >15.

**Seriously, my veins bulge out of my arms. How hard can they be to hit? The people in my hometown regularly manage to get me without a tourniquet. But no, the three times I’ve tried giving blood, once it took like three tries for them to get my vein, and then they wouldn’t stop futzing with the needle and of course it penetrates the other side of my vein and they had to stop.

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##### thunk: she'd rather be on a train

Augh. I’m having the weirdest day today.

First I had some sort of “not getting enough sleep” headache, which is usual when there are 7:30 classes (fuck them).

Then, I just feel really empathetic today… as in “breaking into tears at David Marjanovic’s Starovery link when you’ve heard the story before and already know it.”

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##### Portia, in absentia

Ugh sorry bout the headache, thunk. I hate that kind, because it feels both totally preventable and totally unavoidable in the face of early obligations. (Seriously, fuck early classes).

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

rq!!!

Hooray! Here’s to happy house-holding!

And let me add a belated voice to the chorus: You are not being unreasonable. Your needs are important too and there’s no shame in recognising that. Hopefully once the stress of house buying and moving calms down things will be easier.

I got married, had a child, quit a job of 20 years and moved to a different continent all in the space of three months. I’m not ashamed to admit that I spent some time huddled in a corner crying during that period. Nor am I ashamed to admit that relations between Ms. Fishy and I were strained pretty badly. Stress in one area of life can lead to difficulties in others and recognising that help me through.

I’d offer you big hugs, but seeing as how you’re now landed gentry I will merely tug my forelock as is right and proper for a peasant such as myself.

Vomiting stories? Heh.

My brother-in-law turned 18 while he was visiting us in Canada. We set him up with the son of a co-worker to take him out to celebrate. As expected he came home very late and very, very drunk. Vomiting drunk in a rather uncontrollable way.

The next morning I said “Welcome to adulthood.” as I handed him a bucket and mop.

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##### FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

Dammit, I can donate blood and I want to donate blood but the collection center is 40k away and is only open when I’m working.

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##### Nutmeg

Also: *BIG BIG HUGS* to cicely and assorted family.

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##### thunk: she'd rather be on a train

Ugh sorry bout the headache, thunk. I hate that kind, because it feels both totally preventable and totally unavoidable in the face of early obligations. (Seriously, fuck early classes).

Hrmph. But *I* wake up at 5 am every day, so it must be possible for everyone, or they’re not trying hard enough.

(fuck this presumptuous sarcastic shit).

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##### Caine, Fleur du mal

WMDKitty, you are now in my killfile, here and everywhere else on FTB. Do not ever direct another post at me, thank you.

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##### Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

Coming up on Ground Hog Day, and the Redhead must still celebrate all such holidays (toned down to my time/cooking skills). A meatloaf of ground pork (ground hog…ouch), baked potatoes and fresh squash this Saturday. We’re still working on the roast pork with dried fruit from last weekend…

The only time I’ve had any problem with potential fainting was when I had a tooth worked on after I first went on blood pressure medication. The tooth was in the upper back and they were working with my head down for a while. Started getting a bit strange before the dentist noticed.

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##### Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

So, now I’m in the awkward position of seeing someone who has really pissed me off in the past, treated to the same dismissive, marginalizing, exploitative “no, you don’t get to have your own feelings, or at least ever express without having them stamp-of-approvaled by people who group themselves with and identify with and sympathize with the categories of people who have casually and sneeringly stepped on you your entire life. You have to put the steppers first. Other people matter, you don’t. Other people are people, you’re a thing. You can choose to be a useful thing, but you’ll always be only a means to an end” crap I’ve put up with over the years, whenever the masks start slipping, complicated by the fact that they’re actually wrong on quite a few points unrelated to that.

Fucking just what I needed tonight.

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##### morgan ?! epitheting a metaphor

*knock knock*

Anybody here?

*pushes open door, peeks in, looks around*

Wow, there’s stuff all over the place. Guess everybody went home. Hope nobody got hurt.

*grabs a broom*

Guess I’ll just tidy up a bit. I hope I’ll see all the folks tomorrow.

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##### Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

I get off easy for the next two holidays, Mardi Gras and Chinese New Year. Both take-out (Popeye’s and a local Chinese restaurant).

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##### bluentx

*Walks in back door. Looks around *.
Hey, some body cleaned up!
*Gets to front door. Looks down the sidewalk*
Hey, morgan! I just stepped out to check on the blog next door! Come back!

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##### morgan ?! epitheting a metaphor

bluentx? Hey, hey!

*walks back*

Good to see you. Looks like things got pretty active. Guess that happens when we all get really honest, which is not a bad thing.

So what are doing the rest of the night?

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##### bluentx

Doing? Me? Psst! Come a little closer–
*whispers* I’m supposed to be working!

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##### WMDKitty -- Survivor

I think I’m going to take a couple of days away from FTB.

It’s obvious that I’ve got a lovely little ball of pain and anger buried deep inside.

It’s equally obvious that the way I’ve been dealing with it — ignoring it — is not working, and is having a very negative effect on my already-questionable mental status.

I need to find a healthy way to deal with what I’m feeling, and I can’t do it when Angry Bitch Me is all “RAWR! HULK SMASH!” So, I need to take some time away to, you know, deal with my shit, because I can’t do this anymore. I can’t take the stress and anxiety and sheer panic at being controlled by a part of me that I hate. I have a lot of issues, I have a lot of shit in my head that’s been festering for years, and it’s time to get off my ass and do something about it other than “lock it away until it bites me in the ass”.

I hate me.

I promise not to do anything stupid or life-threatening in the next 48-72 hours.

See you all on Monday.

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##### Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

It’s obvious that I’ve got a lovely little ball of pain and anger buried deep inside.

It’s equally obvious that the way I’ve been dealing with it — ignoring it — is not working, and is having a very negative effect on my already-questionable mental status.

I need to find a healthy way to deal with what I’m feeling, and I can’t do it when Angry Bitch Me is all “RAWR! HULK SMASH!” So, I need to take some time away to, you know, deal with my shit, because I can’t do this anymore. I can’t take the stress and anxiety and sheer panic at being controlled by a part of me that I hate. I have a lot of issues, I have a lot of shit in my head that’s been festering for years, and it’s time to get off my ass and do something about it other than “lock it away until it bites me in the ass”.

I know exactly what you mean.

Take as long as you need. *hugs*

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##### bluentx

Thanks Caine. Just hadn’t checked up on him lately.

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