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A fabulous strategy for annoying fundagelicals and conservatives

I remember discovering Laci Green on YouTube several years ago — she was a great advocate for unabashed atheism. She still is, but she’s discovered a very effective way to piss off the Christians: by speaking frankly and truthfully about sex. Here’s her latest example, which just cheerfully explains the clitoris…and managed to throw a few prudes into censorious hysterics.

(via Camels With Hammers.)

Comments

  1. Randomfactor says

    There’s a lot of up-and-coming atheists of the female shape–from Jessica A. in Rhode Island to Laci and many more.

    The future’s looking bright. I mean Bright, right?

  2. says

    Ugh. The video is age restricted on YouTube. Because obviously girls under 18 have no business learning about their clits.

    I hate YouTube’s flagging policies. They’re more often used to censor ideas than to keep adult materials away from children.

  3. says

    OMG. How shocking. Straightforward and unembarrassed information about sexual stimulation. Uptight prudes must be swooning everywhere!

    (I’m not swooning because I’m merely a prude — not an uptight one. Whew!)

  4. razzlefrog says

    Yeah, Laci Green is really vanderful. I was just thinking about how it might be a good idea to forward her latest censorship issue to you, PZ, to make the video go viral.

    Her sex positive message needs to spread.

  5. crissakentavr says

    Thanks Cat’s Staff. Doubt that’ll last, but it is nice to get around.

    There’s not even any legal reason to require signup anymore – merely a cookie or age dial would shield them legally, as established case law says. Signups are invasive and annoying.

    Also, I never seem to encounter videos that are flagged for real reasons.

  6. shoshidge says

    She’s great, but I, for one, am quite glad that my parents did NOT introduce me to my ‘pleasure spots’, some things need to be self-taught

  7. Tony says

    Ok, I just learned more than I ever wanted to know about the clitoris. Oddly enough I couldn’t tear my eyes from the screen. The video was 500 kinds of awesome. I can’t imagine the reactions of a xian fundie!

  8. Tony says

    shoshidge:

    She’s great, but I, for one, am quite glad that my parents did NOT introduce me to my ‘pleasure spots’, some things need to be self-taught

    -There are several ways a parent could introduce their child to their sex organs and pleasure zones. They could give their child a book. They could direct their child to a website. Or heck, they could actually talk to them about sex organs. Staci doesn’t appear (from this video) to advocate parents physically demonstrating the pleasure zones of women.

  9. says

    @Tony, my folks gave us the basi birds and bees speech, then they made ure tree was a big acedemic book on human sexuality in our family library. Worked wonders.

  10. hyoid says

    Well, I haven’t been downtown in a few years, but it seems I did miss some the hot spots quite near my regular hotel. Story of my life. It happened in Paris one time too. Tour Director stopped the bus at a Wendy’s Restaurant for lunch. (I know. I know.) Well, I was eatin’ on a Wendy’s Big Mac or whatever, out on the terrace and saw a cool looking building right across the street. I asked the lady what it was and she said it’s nothing interesting or important. Back on the bus and off we go to the Louvre. Later I found it was the Centre Georges Pompidou Museum. You seen one Louvre, you’ve seen ‘em all. I would have started my own personal tour of the City, had I known. Oh well. Thanks for posting this, I have forty Nieces and Nephews that enjoy sex. If uncle Rick learned something new, maybe some of them will too.

  11. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Tony – come on. What you said was the mirror image of what you rightly called out Edwin Kagin for. Please do better.

    I found that fascinating (and not a little arousing. . . I want a clitoris now, dammit!). She’s really good and I find the personality she’s constructed for her videos just so cute and infectious.

  12. SallyStrange (Bigger on the Inside), Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Hee. That would’ve been useful when I was younger. I spent a couple of years thinking that one of my labia–which is oddly twice the size of the other one (labium?) was my clitoris. I kept on wondering what the big fucking deal was.

  13. nunuvyurbiznez says

    As a “fundagelical conservative,” I was not pissed off and did not find the information in that video annoying in the slightest. In fact, I found it quite boring as it contained neither new nor unique information. I was annoyed, however, by that brain-piercing voice. Oy.

  14. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    In fact, I found it quite boring as it contained neither new nor unique information.

    Not new or unique to you, but certainly so for a scandalous number of young women (and men). I’m sure you don’t begrudge efforts to normalize female sexuality and help young women understand and be comfortable with their bodies. And I’m sure you also understand that that sentiment is most emphatically not—despite your personal disposition—warmly promulgated by Christian conservatives.

  15. procyon says

    “As a “fundagelical conservative,” I was not pissed off and did not find the information in that video annoying in the slightest. In fact, I found it quite boring as it contained neither new nor unique information. I was annoyed, however, by that brain-piercing voice. Oy.”
    Sounds like maybe you did find it annoying. I am glad to say that at my age I didn’t learn anything new, but must say it would have helped my learning curve in my teen years.

  16. nunuvyurbiznez says

    Not new or unique to you,

    Wasn’t that the point? Wasn’t PZ aiming this video at me and those like me? Why, yes. Yes, he was. The intent of the person who made the video is beside the point. PZ did not present this video as a lesson for young women (and men) to learn about sex. He presented it as a way to “annoy” and “piss off” “the Christians.”

    but certainly so for a scandalous number of young women (and men). I’m sure you don’t begrudge efforts to normalize female sexuality and help young women understand and be comfortable with their bodies.

    When such efforts are intended to educate people? No. To simply “annoy” and “piss off” “the Christians?” Yes. Whatever original value the video had, PZ cheapened it by turning it in to something completely different.

    And I’m sure you also understand that that sentiment is most emphatically not—despite your personal disposition—warmly promulgated by Christian conservatives.

    You would be 100% wrong on that. Ever read Song of Solomon? Much more useful and satisfying than any video by this squeaky-voiced YouTube eye-candy.

  17. nunuvyurbiznez says

    Sounds like maybe you did find it annoying.

    Oh, my fricking Buddha! Did you not read what you quoted? Try it again: “I was annoyed, however, by that brain-piercing voice.”

  18. says

    He presented it as a way to “annoy” and “piss off” “the Christians.”

    nope.

    if you’re going to put something in quotes, it would help if you actually quoted. unless those are supposed to be scarequotes (which would still be incorrect, but for other reasons)

  19. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    When such efforts are intended to educate people? No. To simply “annoy” and “piss off” “the Christians?” Yes. Whatever original value the video had, PZ cheapened it by turning it in to something completely different.

    PZ ruined it for you because of how he billed it? You must have an awfully hard time enjoying movies that you’d have enjoyed otherwise, if not for what a promoter or critic you don’t like had to say about them.

    You would be 100% wrong on that. Ever read Song of Solomon? Much more useful and satisfying than any video by this squeaky-voiced YouTube eye-candy.

    I tried to treat you as an honest interlocutor. But you moved the goalpost from conservative Christians to Song of Solomon. I asserted that conservative Christians did not promote explicit education about female sexuality. I did not say anything about the Bible. You do understand the difference; I know you do. Why did you make that dishonest move?

    If you can’t even truthfully admit that conservative Christians are pretty explicitly hostile to sex and independent female sexuality—even if you want to point out that you, as one of that group, strongly differ—what’s the point in conversing with you?

  20. says

    “brain-piercing voice”? Are you just looking for something to complain about?

    Interesting bit of trivia — the Latin word for clitoris, landica, was apparently considered among the worse obscenities of ancient Rome. So far as I know it only still exists in Romanian. It’s too bad there’s no need to resurrect landica as a word…

  21. nunuvyurbiznez says

    nope.

    *points to post title*

    Uh, yep.

    if you’re going to put something in quotes, it would help if you actually quoted. unless those are supposed to be scarequotes

    Fine. Don’t like accurate quotes? Then let’s do accurate bold emphasis:

    A fabulous strategy for annoying fundagelicals and conservatives
    January 15, 2012 at 7:18 pm PZ Myers

    I remember discovering Laci Green on YouTube several years ago — she was a great advocate for unabashed atheism. She still is, but she’s discovered a very effective way to piss off the Christians: by speaking frankly and truthfully about sex. Here’s her latest example, which just cheerfully explains the clitoris…and managed to throw a few prudes into censorious hysterics.

    Clear enough for you now, sparky?

  22. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    I get it. Your emotional allegiance to your religious tribe is so strong you can’t have honest conversation, even with people who aren’t attacking you. Look, if you want to differentiate yourself from other “fundagelical Christians” that’s great. But don’t be dishonest and pretend your unusual views constitute the mainstream of conservative Christian thought. It isn’t true and you know that.

  23. nunuvyurbiznez says

    I tried to treat you as an honest interlocutor. But you moved the goalpost from conservative Christians to Song of Solomon. I asserted that conservative Christians did not promote explicit education about female sexuality. I did not say anything about the Bible. You do understand the difference; I know you do. Why did you make that dishonest move?

    I find this inane bit of banter rather hypocritical considering the previous paragraph:

    PZ ruined it for you because of how he billed it? You must have an awfully hard time enjoying movies that you’d have enjoyed otherwise, if not for what a promoter or critic you don’t like had to say about them.

    You moved the goalposts. I said nothing about the video being ruined for me nor anything about movies. You do understand the difference; I know you do. Why did you make that dishonest move?

  24. nunuvyurbiznez says

    that’s actually precisely where “the Christians” is not

    Oh. I guess “fundagelicals” must refer to Buddhists, then. Or maybe other atheists. Thanks for clarifying that.

  25. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    OK, fuck you. I tried. If you’re willing to describe yourself as a “fundagelical Christian” and get so freakin’ pissy (and dishonest) about what that means, I’m done.

    Here’s what I held back saying because I tried to give you a chance:

    1. What you believe (if you’re really “fundagelical”) is infantile, babyish and tribalistic. You should be embarrassed.

    2. Fundamentalist/evangelical Christians are an active impediment to a modern, humanistic society. You’re an adversary and you’re dangerous.

    I’m glad your community is feeling its back pressed up against the wall in the culture wars. You should be feeling panicked. Your days of being able to walk around publicly declaiming your allegiance to Yahweh while shitting all over constitutional rights and minorities are numbered. Younger people don’t buy your bullshit, and your numbers are shrinking.

    Go stew on it.

  26. nunuvyurbiznez says

    But don’t be dishonest and pretend your unusual views constitute the mainstream of conservative Christian thought. It isn’t true and you know that.

    Are you a mind reader to know so much about “conservative Christian thought?” No, you are not. You’d be surprised what the “mainstream of conservative Christian thought” actually is and what is actually taught. Just because we don’t brazenly flaunt it to the world, choosing instead to consider it sacred, a gift from God, and something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

  27. nunuvyurbiznez says

    OK, fuck you.

    [typically inane, Christian-bashing hate speech removed]

    Go stew on it.

    *yawn* That the best you have? Obviously I struck a raw nerve with you. To bad you failed to do so with me.

  28. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    And shove your bullshit about “flaunting” right up your pious ass. Do whatever you like or think whatever you like about your own sex life, just shut the fuck up about other peoples’.

    And if you don’t want to be characterized as part of the problem stop whining about how everyone misunderstands you poor conservative Christians and start speaking up against your own people who certainly do make a lot of noise and a lot of misery for the rest of us.

  29. says

    Oh. I guess “fundagelicals” must refer to Buddhists, then.

    don’t play stupid (or are you maybe not playing?)

    all fundagelicals are Christians, but not all Christians are fundagelicals. And plenty of conservatives aren’t any kind of Christian at all.

  30. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Just because we don’t brazenly flaunt it to the world, choosing instead to consider it sacred, a gift from God, and something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    Flaunt what? Humans are sexual beings, and nowadays fundie families have higher rates of divorce, abortion, out-of-wedlock babies, abuse, and misery than us godless atheists? That is difference between believing in fairy tales and being a realist. You believe in fairy tales. You mention fairy tales, both in your imaginary deity, and that marriages are for life. The average marriage is about seven years in the west.

  31. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Nerd, don’t be silly. When a husband and wife hold hands in public it’s sweet affection. When I do it with a man it’s “flaunting it” and “shoving it down everyone’s throat.”

  32. says

    something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home

    yeah, not bigoted at all.

    And forgive me if I prefer to take the word of people who’ve grown up fundagelical but don’t have any stakes in needing to defend it over your claims, in regard to whether fundagelicals teach proper sex ed; especially when lines such as the above make any such claim somewhat unlikely

  33. SallyStrange (Bigger on the Inside), Spawn of Cthulhu says

    “shoving it down everyone’s throat.”

    Or “ramming” or “jamming” or “forcing”… they really are endlessly creative with that particular metaphor.

  34. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Work it, Sally. From your post above we know you are, indeed, bigger on the inside.

    Ba-dum-tish!

  35. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    They sure are, girl. Why is it with these fundie motherfuckers that it devolves into oral rape sex metaphors almost instantly?

  36. julian says

    Or “ramming” or “jamming” or “forcing”… they really are endlessly creative with that particular metaphor.

    How dare you make us choke back all of it!?

  37. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    When I do it with a man it’s “flaunting it” and “shoving it down everyone’s throat.”

    Not in my estimation. But then, what do I know, other than the babble is not a guide to human rights?

  38. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Oh, lookie here. nunuvyurbiznez appears to be somebody named Jay McHue, commenting on Daniel Fincke’s Camel With Hammers blog. And he’s just as charming under another name!

    This is both incredibly boring — no new or unique information — and incredibly annoying with that voice! Ugh! She sounds like a flipping Chippette the way she says “clitoris” — all squeaky and high pitched and at a spoken speed of about 10 bazillion words per minute.

    “Clitorisclitorisclitorisclitorisclitorisclitoris!” It’s enough to make you chew your own foot off! She can masturbate all she wants because I doubt any man will want to hear her undoubtedly chipmunk-like squeals of ecstasy. Well, except maybe for a man with a chipmunk fetish. Brrr!

    Mr. McHue has a blog too—he has a special hate-on for PZ.

  39. nunuvyurbiznez says

    When a husband and wife hold hands in public it’s sweet affection. When I do it with a man it’s “flaunting it” and “shoving it down everyone’s throat.”

    No, when you take to the streets with your “gay pride” festivals and parades in which public nudity and sex are the norm, that’s flaunting it and shoving it down everyone’s throat — including young children. I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone. I just won’t be holding my breath while I’m waiting.

  40. SallyStrange (Bigger on the Inside), Spawn of Cthulhu says

    If anyone has any doubts as to the veracity of my claim to be bigger on the inside, I invite him or her to test the hypothesis directly. It may or may not be verified, but the experiment is guaranteed to be interesting!

  41. julian says

    Public nudity and sex!

    Where are these magical events taking place? I could totally go for some unrestrained public debauchery right now.

  42. Classical Cipher, Murmur Muris, OM says

    I’ll be waiting for examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians being hounded to suicide by the rest of us for their sexuality.
    Until you can provide them, you have no business fucking complaining about other people having pride festivals and parades. You don’t have them because you don’t fucking need them, you bigoted idiot slime.

  43. SallyStrange (Bigger on the Inside), Spawn of Cthulhu says

    I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone.

    No, of course not. That would be too fun, having a parade with naked dancing. And we all know that fun is incompatible with fundamentalism. No, instead they flaunt their delusional beliefs by running for office on “family values” platforms which actively exclude many types of families, and attempt and often succeed in passing laws which mandate that everyone, whether Christian or not, abide by their stupid, narrow brand of sexual “morality” (which is actually immoral from a rational standpoint). See: the Hyde amendment, abortion exemptions for servicewomen in the Armed Forces as well as Medicare recipients, attempts to shut down Planned Parenthood and ban contraception, and so on.

  44. julian says

    You don’t have them because you don’t fucking need them, you bigoted idiot slime.

    That’s mean and inaccurate. He’s more of a gelatinous blob than a slime.

  45. Akira MacKenzie says

    You would be 100% wrong on that. Ever read Song of Solomon?

    That’s funny. The last I heard the Christians discuss the Song it was really about “Jesus’ love for the church,” had nothing to do with sex what-so-ever, and was most assuredly NOT some ancient erotic poetry ham-fistedly added to the OT because it’s authorship was alleged to be King Solomon’s.

    Please get your fucking stories straight.

    Much more useful and satisfying than any video by this squeaky-voiced YouTube eye-candy. [Emphasis mine.]

    Yikes! I know I that I’ve referred to fundies as “Bible-humpers” in the past, but WOW!

    Bible study sessions must be very difficult with all those pages stuck together.

  46. janine says

    No, when you take to the streets with your “gay pride” festivals and parades in which public nudity and sex are the norm, that’s flaunting it and shoving it down everyone’s throat — including young children. I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone. I just won’t be holding my breath while I’m waiting.

    He speaks like he is part of an oppressed minority.

    Tell me, are there groups trying to take away rights from you. Are they trying to prevent you from doing what other people take for granted.

    Have people threatened you because you are so obviously straight?

  47. says

    I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone.

    honey, if we could provide such examples, we’d have a lot fewer arguments with the fundagelical part of the world.

    no, the fundagelicals don’t have pro-sex parades. instead, they make anti-sex laws, and all sorts of anti-sex public events, etc.

  48. says

    Where are these magical events taking place? I could totally go for some unrestrained public debauchery right now.

    indeed. because the local gay pride parade didn’t include either, but maybe they just skipped the nudity this year just to spite me :-p

    now, the Loveparade in Berlin, that had both; lots of both

    *wistful sigh*

  49. Akira MacKenzie says

    He speaks like he is part of an oppressed minority.

    No, he speaks like a privileged (i.e. heterosexual privilege, Christian privilege) asshole who can’t come to terms with reality.

  50. janine says

    no, the fundagelicals don’t have pro-sex parades. instead, they make anti-sex laws, and all sorts of anti-sex public events, etc.

    Some show up at these parades and marches with such lovely sign like:

    Adam And Eve
    Not Adam And Steve

    The Wages Of Sin Is Death

    and

    Matthew Sheppard Is In Hell

    They are rather tiresome and dour. Also, they seem to be disappointed when you pass them by with a wave and a smile instead of threatening them.

  51. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Ah, I knew it. The old GHEY PRIDEZ PARADEZ IS DISGUSTIN JUSTIFIZE MY HATEZ UR ALL ALWAYS TALKING BOUT BUTTSECKS.

    You know. Just like New Orleans gives itself a bad name with Mardi Gras. Cuz all New Orleanians are all like that, all the time. They don’t know the difference between a festival and everyday life. Must be cuz they’re mostly black.

  52. janine says

    Akira MacKenzie, I am well aware of what he is acting like. But he speaks like he being oppressed instead of being an oppressor.

  53. says

    I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone.

    Of course we don’t have that. What we do have is this:

    Just because we don’t brazenly flaunt it to the world, choosing instead to consider it sacred, a gift from God, and something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    Essentially a statement that your beliefs and definitions of proper sex should determine how other people live, according to an authority whose existence you can provide no evidence for. Which, of course, makes us suspicious that it’s really you who wants to be the authority.
    It’s a definition of sex, incidentally, that gets plastered on church signs, billboards and such all over the country.
    And PZ is simply pointing out how bent out of shape Christians can get over simple, educational videos about body parts. Which is screwed up. We’re fine with one man and one woman having sex in the privacy of their home; you just don’t have the right to limit other people to your definition of sex, and you don’t have the right to insist that everyone else be screwed up and freak out over body parts.
    But it is fun to watch you guys wig out, and if all it requires is education, that’s great. We were already in favor of that sort of thing.

  54. janine says

    Fakeh hubby, I fail to the proof that the loving example of humanity and Jay are the same person. But Jay’s blog, Blog And Awe, is humorous in the way that advocates of Left Behind are. And the fact that he cannot take seriously a woman’s voice.

  55. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Fake Wife: He is a Man. A Christian Man. How dare we question him? He certainly doesn’t flaunt it.

  56. says

    No, when you take to the streets with your “gay pride” festivals and parades in which public nudity and sex are the norm, that’s flaunting it and shoving it down everyone’s throat — including young children. I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone. I just won’t be holding my breath while I’m waiting.

    IIRC those sort of things they do zone off and discourage children from attending.

    You know…like The Passion.

  57. ikesolem says

    On a separate science note, the claim that the clitoris is the only human organ whose sole function is pleasure is somewhat inaccurate, in that the underlying structure is the same in men and women, only the hormones are different:

    http://genesdev.cshlp.org/content/14/24/3075.full

    “In mammals, genetic sex is determined by inheritance of either an X or Y chromosome from the male gamete. The initial stages of gonadal and genital development of male and female embryos are indistinguishable by morphological criteria.”

    “The classic experiment of Jost (Jost 1947; Jost 1953) demonstrated that female differentiation occurs irrespective of the genetic sex in the absence of testicular hormones.”

    So, it does have a function other than pleasure, in that sense. This also explains why men have nipples – the proto-human embryo generates structures for hormones to act on. Thus, women who take testosterone (see the East German women’s swim team of decades past) have their clitoris develop into a penis, and men exposed to female hormones develop breasts. These are good reasons to be cautious about hormone analogues in industrial and agricultural products, which have further deleterious effects.

  58. SallyStrange (Bigger on the Inside), Spawn of Cthulhu says

    I just checked out the comments on Camels With Hammers.

    Yeah. Dude is so “not annoyed” by Laci that he posted twice about how annoying she her voice is.

  59. janine says

    SallyStrange, we all know there is no need to take seriously any person who speaks with a woman’s voice. Now if she found a male surrogate to speak her words, we might get somewhere.

  60. SallyStrange (Bigger on the Inside), Spawn of Cthulhu says

    On a separate science note, the claim that the clitoris is the only human organ whose sole function is pleasure is somewhat inaccurate, in that the underlying structure is the same in men and women, only the hormones are different:

    http://genesdev.cshlp.org/content/14/24/3075.full

    I’m not sure, but I believe people justify this statement by noting that in the penis, the sexual pleasure and urination functions are overlapping, whereas they are separated (albeit by a very small distance) in female anatomy.

    I understand that the underlying structure is the same, but “the penis” encompasses more than the underlying structure that is analogous to the clitoris.

  61. janine says

    The penis is the add on. If the testosterone do not go through the fetus at the right time, it will be a female, complete with a vagina and clitoris even if she is genetically male.

  62. capnxtreme says

    flaunting it and shoving it down everyone’s throat — including young children

    Really, the old promiscuous homosexual strawman? Spoken like a true advocate of good old holy values, who has clearly never stepped outside of his comfort zone. It’s just awful that these poor Christian souls might be subject to people who don’t share their lifestyle petitioning for, of all things, equal rights.

    I’ll never understand the Christian demonization of sex. It’s the sole reason any of us are here today, but God forbid anybody enjoy it. Sex should be hidden behind closed doors. Why? Because it’s sacred! Specifically, because this person’s religious faith says it should be.

    What I find truly offensive and contemptible is prudes like “nunuvyurbiznez” here waving their Christian right all over the place as though it were some sort of universal law. This childish nonsense has been holding us back for centuries and I won’t stand for it!

  63. sudomabin usri says

    …something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home…

    If only y’all would keep it to the privacy of your own homes, and quit trying to enforce your prudish morality on the rest of us. Then we wouldn’t need pride parades, or videos to annoy you, or blogs pointing out your hypocrisies, etc.

  64. janine says

    Ya know what, ever since The Brady Bunch, heterosexual married couples on televisions have been flaunting their sexuality by sleeping in in the same beds. They should return to showing bedrooms with twin beds.

  65. says

    I’m curious about the source of the claim that there are “8000 nerve endings in the clitoris (as opposed to 4000 in the penis).” This seems to be all over the internet, but I cannot find a proper source. I’d have thought the number of nerve endings would be the same since they are analogous structures?

  66. consciousness razor says

    Just because we don’t brazenly flaunt it to the world, choosing instead to consider it sacred, a gift from God, and something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    Your god doesn’t exist, so it doesn’t give gifts.

    via Josh, from CwH:

    She can masturbate all she wants

    Sure, she’ll just burn in hell, that’s all.

    because I doubt any man will want to hear her undoubtedly chipmunk-like squeals of ecstasy.

    I’m sure you have no reason to doubt that, but I’d rather not find out why you know what chipmunks in a state of ecstasy sound like.

    Well, except maybe for a man with a chipmunk fetish. Brrr!

    “Brrr” indeed. You’re a sick, sick person.

    No, when you take to the streets with your “gay pride” festivals and parades in which public nudity and sex are the norm, that’s flaunting it and shoving it down everyone’s throat — including young children.

    If anything, you’re the one shoving it down their throats by forcing your children to go to a gay pride festival or parade, because there’s no Evil Gay Conspiracy forcing you to do it. That makes you a fucking idiot. Being a fucking idiot is par for the course for bigots, so this isn’t particularly surprising.

  67. Aquaria says

    Just because we don’t brazenly flaunt it to the world<, choosing instead to consider it sacred, a gift from God

    And your wife thinks you suck in bed, too.

    It’s not sacred. And it’s not a gift from a genocidal sky fairy, shit-for-brains.

    It’s sex in all its squirming, writhing, hot, sweaty, itching, fractious, licking, pumping, humping, laughing, shrieking, screeching, crying, swinging from the trapeze and gallons of lube a day fun.

    But it ain’t sacred.

    Not if you’re doing it right.

  68. ButchKitties says

    I wish that fundagelicals had sex pride parades. I keep picturing them as The Meaning of Life’s sex ed scene reenacted on a flatbed truck, which would be hilarious. And, unlike their current tendency to parade their sex lives around by having their sexual preferences encoded into law, a fundagelical sex parade would not interfere directly (and negatively) with my own life.

  69. ambulocetacean says

    Jay McHue as in Jason “Jinx” McHue?

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jinxmchue

    Hey Jinx, since we’re supposed to be getting all our sex ed and naughty thrills from the bible, is my member meant to be like that of a horse and my emissions like those of donkeys, or is it the other way around? I can never remember.

    I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone.

    We’re still waiting for you to provide examples of gay people doing this.

    I know that “anything and everything sexual” is a big ask, so I will settle for video evidence of the following sexual practices being indulged in by homosexual persons (married or not) at a public festival and/or parade.

    * Cleveland steamer

    * Dutch steamboat

    * Reverse Dutch steamboat

    * Gentlemen’s jousting

    * Nasal appraisal

    * Jacob’s Ladder

    * Spencer Street Soviet

    * Ricking

    Google video search is thataway —>

    Happy Hoggling!

  70. SallyStrange (Bigger on the Inside), Spawn of Cthulhu says

    *mental note: nominate ambulocetacean for a Molly*

  71. jasonahrns says

    9 nasty, complaining posts about how this video didn’t annoy nunuvyurbiznez. Not annoyed. Not one bit.

  72. ambulocetacean says

    Uh, Jason. If you’d spent more time reading and less time counting you’d have noticed that nunuvyurbiznez/Jinx McHue was annoyed (hint: way back up at post #18).

    Over at Camels with Hammers he also volunteered his unsolicited, unwanted, unseemly and entirely worthless opinion that Ms Green is sexually undesirable. He then went on to share his own fantasies about what she might be like in the cot anyway.

    If anyone’s being nasty around here, it’s Mr McHue.

    SallyStrange, Heh, glad that tickled you but there are loads of regulars (including yourself) that contribute a lot more and better than me. I’m mostly just a lurker. But I always Pharyngulate =)

  73. Classical Cipher, Murmur Muris, OM says

    ambulocetacean, I think Jason was making fun of Jinx for talking so much about how much this didn’t bother him :)

  74. ambulocetacean says

    Oh… way for me to misread the post completely. Thanks for that.

    Sorry, jasonahrns. Jeez, I can be a dumbass >.<

  75. Ichthyic says

    I just checked out the comments on Camels With Hammers.

    Yeah. Dude is so “not annoyed” by Laci that he posted twice about how annoying she her voice is.

    yes. My conclusion in reading their posts here was that they came here to tell us exactly how successful Laci had been in doing exactly what PZ described.

    mission accomplished!

  76. Ichthyic says

    I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone

    you’ll be waiting?

    or joining in?

    as to parades and pride festivals for those promoting “straight” sex…

    I always thought that’s what the 700 club was about.

  77. says

    Clitorises / Clitores / Clitori need love too.

    Fun fact:

    The plural of “clitoris” is… CLITORIDES (pronounced cli-TOR-id-EEZ)!

    It’s fun to use in conversation. e.g. “The wicked witch added a cup of pickled bat CLITORIDES to her bubbling cauldron.”

  78. says

    No, when you take to the streets with your “gay pride” festivals and parades in which public nudity and sex are the norm, that’s flaunting it and shoving it down everyone’s throat — including young children.

    Where are they, I want to go there!

    Oh yes, nobody sounds more desperate than the person who needs to get all upset about the fact that other people have sex-lives and are not ashamed of it.

    Back on the topic: I think that it’s not so much a matter of teaching girls where to find the clit, it’s more a matter of not teaching them to forget about it.

  79. Duckbilled Platypus says

    No, when you take to the streets with your “gay pride” festivals and parades in which public nudity and sex are the norm, that’s flaunting it and shoving it down everyone’s throat — including young children.

    Heh. Sounds like you’ve never been to one, and that you’re getting your news from Fox. Nudity would be sparse. And I’ve never understood why some people think gays are naturally inclined to have public sex.

    I went to see Gay Pride in my home town (Amsterdam) with my girlfriend and our son when he was about, oh, 3 months old. We completely failed to spot any public sex. Or nudity. Not that he’d be impressed by seeing either, considering he is too young to be brainwashed into thinking that such things are wildly unnatural.

    I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of straight, married “fundagelical” Christians having “pride” festivals and parades where they do anything and everything sexual imaginable in front of anyone and everyone.

    Since this isn’t happening anyway, we can dismiss this challenge of yours as nothing but daydreaming.

    But here is the most important difference you’re not seeing: when gays are having a parade or festival, they want nothing more from you than to accept them as they are, and, although it’s probably asking too much, equal treatment. When Christians have one, it’s because they want you to turn you into one of them and / or to make you live by their standards. And they’ll claim the moral high ground while doing that.

  80. says

    Duckbilled Platypus

    I went to see Gay Pride in my home town (Amsterdam) with my girlfriend and our son when he was about, oh, 3 months old.

    You mean you indoctrinate a poor baby into the idea that gays are people! *shock-horror-clutch-pearls*
    Don’t you know that this is part of the eeebil conspiracy of the UNESCO to turn 50% of the world gay?
    Wait some 15 years and he’ll present you his first boyfriend and then,… what, you mean, so what?
    You mean that’s like “OK, are you staying for dinner?”
    Ah, OK, carry on.
    Still disappointed by the lack of public sex in those parades.

  81. Azkyroth says

    The plural of “clitoris” is… CLITORIDES

    Are they clitorous or clitoric clitorides?

  82. StevoR says

    @95. scottjordan says:

    Clitorises / Clitores / Clitori need love too.
    Fun fact : The plural of “clitoris” is… CLITORIDES (pronounced cli-TOR-id-EEZ)! It’s fun to use in conversation. e.g. “The wicked witch added a cup of pickled bat CLITORIDES to her bubbling cauldron.”

    Thanks!

    Also, yikes a *cupful* of bat clitorides – that’d be an awful lot of bats!

    @88. SallyStrange (Bigger on the Inside), Spawn of Cthulhu says:

    *mental note: nominate ambulocetacean for a Molly*

    Seconding that notion.

    Also requesting that ambulocetacean keeps posting here more often – great comment. Guesses he’s seen ‘Walking with beasts’ & ‘Letterman’ too?

  83. StevoR says

    @julian : 15 January 2012 at 11:02 pm

    “You don’t have them because you don’t fucking need them, you bigoted idiot slime.”
    That’s mean and inaccurate. He’s more of a gelatinous blob than a slime.

    I dunno, I reckon slime actualy suits him better myself.

    @nunuvyurbiznez / Jay McHue / Jinx McHue (on Daniel Fincke’s Camel With Hammers)

    This is both incredibly boring — no new or unique information — and incredibly annoying with that voice! Ugh! She sounds like a flipping Chippette the way she says “clitoris” — all squeaky and high pitched and at a spoken speed of about 10 bazillion words per minute.

    I disagree. Your Milage May Vary but I found Laci Green’s clitoris clip interesting, fun and matter-of-fact and was entertained and enjoyed it.

    Also she was not, in my view an unusually fast talker. Fasty-ish maybe but clear and well eununciated. Since I’m semi-deaf this was one of many things I appreciated about it.

    Oh, & you *do* know that if you missed a bit – (having trouble keeping up were you Jay?) – you can drag the little white circle on the red line that appears when you hold the cursor over it and watch it again as many times as it takes you to get it don’t you?

    <blocxk“Clitorisclitorisclitorisclitorisclitorisclitoris!” It’s
    enough to make you chew your own foot off!

    So, don’t watch it then? Of course if you’re not going to watch it you’re not really qualified to comment on it either.

    She can masturbate all she wants because I doubt any man will want to hear her undoubtedly chipmunk-like squeals of ecstasy.

    This man raises his hand and say he’d definitely like to bring Laci Green to orgasm – if she desires that from me of course. (I shouldn’t have to say that but I will.) I think she’s wonderfully cute and would love to hear – and feel – how she sounds climaxing. I also admire her intelligence, her honesty and her courage in putting that online.

    Oh & yes Laci *can* happily masturbate all she wants as well. Does that shit you Jay? Do you want to control Laci Green’s sex life for her & tell her what she can and can’t do with her own body? Well tough you can’t. Deal with it. Deal with your own apparent sexual issues too.

    Well, except maybe for a man with a chipmunk fetish. Brrr!

    No chipmunk fetish here. Seconds the Boss Nass Brrr posted by consciousness razor (#83.) back at you too.

  84. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    You know. Just like New Orleans gives itself a bad name with Mardi Gras. Cuz all New Orleanians are all like that, all the time. They don’t know the difference between a festival and everyday life. Must be cuz they’re mostly black.

    OH Noes! And Jay, for the love of everything prim and proper DO NOT go too far down Bourbon street. You’ll enter the ….

    GAY ZONE

    Oh the disturbing things you will see. New Orleans debauchery AND open gayness. Just think of the evil it must take for people to be able to

    be themselves

    AND OUT IN THE OPEN

    THE HORROR… THE HORROR…

  85. Naked Bunny with a Whip says

    choosing instead to consider it sacred, a gift from God, and something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home

    The best gift is the kind you shamefully hide away from view.

    Funny how you don’t treat all your gifts from God that way.

  86. julietdefarge says

    ,,,,,the real question is, how can we get Islamic and Jewish men to watch this? This needs to be subtitled in a dozen languages and sent around the world, stat!

    “something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home”
    You didn’t watch the video, did you? A clitoris does not belong to, nor is it to be “saved for” any man. A self-induced orgasm isn’t any more or less “sacred” than any other physiological reaction. Maybe I’ll start a religion where a sneeze is sacred, as it contains one’s vital breath and precious cellular debris.

  87. Denephew Ogvorbis, OM says

    Maybe I’ll start a religion where a sneeze is sacred, as it contains one’s vital breath and precious cellular debris.

    Not to mention expelling the demons (viruses) which have taken possession of your body (aches, pains, nausea, fever).

  88. tinyfluff says

    Ugh! GoGreen18 is annoying! She is only about 7% as smart as she thinks she is. She is just another ding bat youtuber. I’m not saying she is wrong here – Just that she gets far too much credit for her often wrong opinions that are stated as facts. (At least in the past couple years since she stopped making useful and insightful videos) She’s not the sexpert she claims to be.

  89. Zinc Avenger says

    Maybe I’ll start a religion where a sneeze is sacred, as it contains one’s vital breath and precious cellular debris.

    After all, the entire universe was sneezed into being by the Great Green Arkleseizure.

  90. No One says

    *nunuvyurbiznez*

    She has an annoying voice? That’s important to you?

    How fucking shallow.

  91. jayarrrr says

    Oh, to be in my 20′s again… Now I’m at that age where most women are all self-involved with their pussies. The 4-legged ones… :(

  92. manipulativewitch says

    I have to call shenanigans on nunuvyurbiznez upthread. I’ve always found liberal/atheist men to be almost annoyingly gentlemanly. It’s almost like they think I’m a human being and entitled to respect or something!

  93. says

    Fundie moron:

    No, when you take to the streets with your “gay pride” festivals and parades in which public nudity and sex are the norm, that’s flaunting it and shoving it down everyone’s throat — including young children.

    Oh, noes, public nudity!! The sky will fall if we show certain body parts in public that the evangenitals claim their deity created!!! And, heavens to Betsy, children will learn that grownups aren’t smooth “down there” like Barbie and Ken dolls! WON’T SOMEBODY PLEEEAAASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?

    (Leaving aside, as other commenters have pointed out, that Faux Nooz and their ilk greatly exaggerate how much nudity goes on at pride parades.)

    Do you freak out as loudly over child molestation committed by clergy, or the “child brides” of the FLDS, or, I dunno, the toddler beauty pageant circuit? If not, why not?

    ButchKitties:

    I wish that fundagelicals had sex pride parades. I keep picturing them as The Meaning of Life’s sex ed scene reenacted on a flatbed truck, which would be hilarious.

    That’s an awesome idea. I was thinking of a float on which a “straight,” married preacher snorted meth off the perfectly rounded glutes of a naked rentboy.

  94. anat says

    Continuiing the thought of janine (#78):

    The penis is the add on. If the testosterone do not go through the fetus at the right time, it will be a female, complete with a vagina and clitoris even if she is genetically male.

    Even if testosterone is present at the right time, but the receptor through which it works is not, the fetus develops into a phenotypical female individual, regardless of chromosomal makeup.

  95. Naked Bunny with a Whip says

    a “straight,” married preacher snorted meth off the perfectly rounded glutes of a naked rentboy.

    That’s a sacred gift from God, to be enjoyed behind closed doors. Says so in the Bible.

  96. Pteryxx says

    choosing instead to consider it sacred, a gift from God, and something for a husband and wife to enjoy in the privacy of their own home…

    The best gift is the kind you shamefully hide away from view.

    Funny how you don’t treat all your gifts from God that way.

    Matthew 5:14-16 ESV

    “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.”

    Sounds like a God-given call for public nudity to me!

  97. Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan says

    Oh, sure, sex is sacred. If by sacred you mean “it’s like being on a roller-coaster of endorphins, sweat, kissing, groaning, screaming, and groping and writhing that leaves you feeling like you’ve just achieved nirvana when the ride stops.”

    But you gotta do it right. None of this lousy two-hump chump or “lie back and think of England” business.

  98. Dhorvath, OM says

    What a novel concept, rather than bumbling about in the dark and hoping to learn something while doing it we can actually benefit from the discoveries of those who came before us. I enjoyed this video and think that anyone who owns or may come into contact with a clitoris should be encouraged to watch it.

  99. Gregory Greenwood says

    Josh, Official SpokesGay @ 66;

    Jay, sweetie?

    shoving it down everyone’s throat

    Why did you go there?

    You’re definately onto something here.

    Methinks the bigot doth protest too much…

  100. tim rowledge, Ersatz Haderach says

    Related interesting article at http://mosex.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/the-internal-clitoris/
    I vaguely recall a similar article a year or two back suggesting that dissections had revealed clitoral (and related) nerves wrapping the vagina and even connecting to the anus and very lower back.
    Seems to me the entire clitoral/vaginal orgasm thing is now shown to be a load of Freudian crap. But I repeat myself.

  101. juice says

    ikesolem,

    I was going to say that the male nipple also serves no other function than pleasure (for guys who like it) but you did a much better job of explaining and showing that the function of a biological structure doesn’t have to mean its “as-developed” function.

  102. says

    …wow, I actually didn’t know everything that she mentioned in that video despite being an owner of a clitoris! Namely, that it actually extends past the little nub- something that I suppose got ignored in my oh-so-comprehensive (HAHAHA) sex-ed class.

    It’s a bit sad, really, that a youtube video is more informative than a highschool sex-ed class. Hell, I wouldn’t even know how a condom worked if it wasn’t for my friends and I going out and buying a box when we were thirteen because we thought it’d be funny. Deciding to read the instructions on the box before blowing them up into slippery blimp-esque balloons shouldn’t be more informative than an actual class.

  103. jamesmichaels1 says

    If this fundie comes back, please let me at him. I wasn’t ever a fundie back when I did have a religion, but at least I genuinely tried to engage people of FTB in honest discussion. This guy doesn’t seem to be even trying.

    Love that girl’s videos. Screw the comments on her “annoying” voice, I could listen to anything she has to say for hours. :)

  104. yellowsubmarine says

    I’m not sure how this disagreement got this far with nunuvyurbizne. PZ posts a video that fungelical conservatives got all up in arms about, so he posts to say that well, HE wasn’t offended and HE found it boring and HE thought the girl’s voice was annoying. And…. what? What did any of that information have to do with anything? Since, as a fungelical conservative, he didn’t find it annoying, then none of them did? Since he didn’t learn anything new from it, noone will? I don’t think he’s actually claiming that, so his post was essentially a non sequitur and didn’t adress the point of PZ posting the video to this thread. Also if he wasn’t annoyed why did he feel the need to throw in that dig about the girl’s voice being annoying at the end (which also had nothing to do with anything)?

    Also what’s this craziness about PZ posting the video here to piss off fungelical conservatives? Do we have a fungelical conservative base here that we could piss off with stuff like this or is it just a handful? Like 5 or so. If that. I was raised conservative christian, like many people who end up as atheists, and if that guy thinks he’s going to pass off an assertion that conservative christians aren’t anti-sex (and anti-woman’s sex especially) as truth, he’s crazy in a pants-on-head kinda way.

  105. Martin, heading for geezerhood says

    @Grimalkin:

    blowing them up into slippery blimp-esque balloon

    A friend if mine assisted in a Planned Parenthood clinic, and one Christmas she and a workmate decided to decorate the place. Having no balloons, they blew up and tied off many of the hand out condoms. Half an hour later they found that the lube/spermicide would also numb lips and tongues.

  106. Tony says

    Jadehawk:

    now I’m kinda hoping you do not belong to any demographics that have sex with women…

    -Not to worry, I don’t. I like men.

  107. Tony says

    Josh:

    Tony – come on. What you said was the mirror image of what you rightly called out Edwin Kagin for. Please do better.

    -I disagree. I have never been with a woman. I can’t foresee myself ever wanting to be with one. I’m not a gynecologist. I’m not a biology teacher. I’m not in a profession where intimate knowledge of the female anatomy is necessary. All I said was “I just learned more than I ever wanted to know about the clitoris”. I didn’t say “…about women.” It’s not the same situation as with Edwin’s joke. How does my not wanting to know about the clitoris (incidentally, I didn’t want to, but there is a mild curiosity, hence my comment that “I couldn’t tear my eyes away” and “that was 500 kinds of awesome”; I went from not wanting to know anything about the clitoris, to being so entertained by the video that I wound up learning more than I ever desired and sending props out to Laci) the equal (even in reverse) of a mocking joke about homophobia? And is it sexist to admit that I didn’t have any interest in learning about the clitoris? Would it be sexist if I said I have no interest in learning about female breasts? I can’t see how that would be the case, but I’d be curious to see if it’s possible. I added no followup statements. I made no judgement calls. I stated nothing about character. I have no desire to acquire knowledge of the clitoris or breasts. Nor do I want to know the workings of the intestines or kidneys.

  108. Azkyroth says

    This is indeed a wonderful strategy. It includes facts, sex, and women thinking and speaking independently – that’s three of their biggest sore spots.

  109. johnmarley says

    I was annoyed, however, by that brain-piercing voice.

    Wow. I need to add “brain-piercing” to my list (along with “shrill” and “strident”) of terms that are compliments when coming from a fundie xian.

  110. Pteryxx says

    A HAPPY UPDATE: Laci has prevailed.

    Joy!

    The clitoral guide was, for a few hours, restricted to only those 18+. Meanwhile, my prostate guide stayed up for the world to see after months of being up. Keep in mind, 60% of my audience is registered in the 13-17 age category.

    This clear disparity between the sexes access to information is particularly troublesome. It affirms the fact that people are more comfortable with male sexuality than female sexuality, and that many think pleasure-based sex ed is for “adults” only. It keeps teens, and especially teen women, in the dark about sexuality and forces kids to stumble their way through. It doesn’t have to be this way.

    [...]

    Following the flag notice, Allan (my tech partner in crime) and I worked to restore access to those who were being denied. I contacted YouTube directly and started the appeals process while Allan got an unrestricted version up on the site. I received tons and tons of support from everyone yesterday, and I am so grateful for it. Y’all are the best SEX+ warriors teh internets has known!

    Today, I received a notice that the video would return to its unrestricted state. HO00RRRRRAAAYYYY!!

  111. Rey Fox says

    Wait a minute…stimulating the prostate is for gay guys! How did that stay up?!

    (yes, I am being sarcastic here)

  112. Tony says

    Daniel:

    A HAPPY UPDATE

    -Indeed. One of the things I appreciate about the video is the way she presented the information. She was quite informative, but in a way that one almost didn’t notice that she was imparting information (and I didn’t find her voice annoying at all; I liked the cheerful tone).

  113. Ichthyic says

    Wait a minute…stimulating the prostate is for gay guys!

    sorry, but no, you don’t get to keep that one.

  114. says

    Johnmarley:

    The funny thing is that it’s completely incoherent as a description. Laci’s voice is pretty average; she’s perkier than most, but that’s just her.

  115. Duckbilled Platypus says

    You mean you indoctrinate a poor baby into the idea that gays are people! *shock-horror-clutch-pearls*

    Well admittedly he slept through most of the event, despite the loud music.

    Don’t you know that this is part of the eeebil conspiracy of the UNESCO to turn 50% of the world gay?
    Wait some 15 years and he’ll present you his first boyfriend and then,… what, you mean, so what?
    You mean that’s like “OK, are you staying for dinner?”

    Nah. Can’t stand having those youngsters around looking all flushed and shy while I ask my son to repeat my sermons on proper condom etiquette, during main course. I’d better let them hurry of to his bedroom straight away.

    Still disappointed by the lack of public sex in those parades.

    Knowing the typical entrepreneurial spirit of this town, I’m sure you can have a show but only if you pay for it.

  116. pf says

    FWIW, I did find her hard to listen to, but I’m not her target audience. I know for a fact that mid-teens talk like this with eachother all the time, and are very comfortable with this kind of voice.

    So I’d say she did well in reaching her target audience, with the sort of information that audience can really use.

    Good stuff.