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Markuze rumors

Dennis Markuze, the obsessed spammer from Montreal, has been silent since late last week — no insane death threats in my email, no furious twitter followups to everything I say, no word anywhere. It has been a very pleasant relief.

I have heard however that he has actually been taken into custody and brought before a judge, and that he’s not responding well. I’m hoping that he gets the psychiatric attention he desperately needs: I don’t want him hurt, I want him better. The Montreal police are reported to be planning to issue a press release in the next day or two.


All is confirmed. The Montreal police announce an arrest, and apparently Mabus’s computers have been seized. Tim Farley has a very thorough summary of events.

“Mabus” apparently posted a series of apologies via twitter to a number of people just before dropping out (I didn’t get any!). If you read them on Farley’s page, though, they don’t sound a thing like Markuze…I wonder if his mother was desperately trying to do some damage control?

Comments

  1. theophontes says

    I don’t want him hurt, I want him better.

    QFT. IMO this is the correct attitude for such a situation. He is very unwell and in need of help. His delusion is obviously dangerous to himself and potentially dangerous to other people.

    The same attitude could be applied to the religious. What they do makes us upset because it is harmful. But in the end they are just a lot of deluded individuals in need of help.

  2. moggie says

    If he gets the treatment he needs, he could be happier, more productive, and live longer – pretty much a win-win.

  3. Audley Z. Darkheart OM (OS), purveyor of candy and lies says

    I know almost nothing of the Canadian courts. Assuming that he does actually need help, what are the chances that M*b*s will receive treatment?

  4. steve oberski says

    I don’t want him hurt, I want him better.

    This is probably the biggest tragedy of the Montreal police refusing to treat this seriously, Markuze could have gotten help for his disorder years ago.

  5. speedwell says

    I’m hoping that this obsessed man can become deeply involved in something helpful, not harmful. He has a lot of energy to invest in something positive.

  6. raven says

    If he gets the treatment he needs, he could be happier, more productive, and live longer – pretty much a win-win.

    True. Schizophrenics live 15-30 fewer years than average.

    I’ve seen it many times. One girl died of irreversible tissue damage from decades of anorexia. One guy locked himself out of his house in a residential area one night and died of hypothermia in his front yard, surrounded by other houses. Neither was much over 50.

  7. Felix says

    I’d be happy to know he gets decent help, but I’d also love to know what and how he spoke/speaks to the authorities. A little devil on my shoulder wants to see him try to slap the judge with a Depeche Mode video after informing him about his imminent decapitation.

  8. says

    Assuming that he does actually need help, what are the chances that M*b*s will receive treatment?

    I’d say that depends on whether he also threatens the judge.

  9. Matt` says

    Neither was much over 50.

    Have to say, from “guy” and “girl” (especially the latter), I was imagining people much younger than 50.

  10. Graculus says

    Chances of him getting psychiatric confinement are probably higher in Canada than in the US. Especially if he threatens the judge with a Depeche Mode video.

  11. Musca domestica says

    speedwell:

    I’m hoping that this obsessed man can become deeply involved in something helpful, not harmful. He has a lot of energy to invest in something positive.

    I hope he gets help so he won’t become obsessed with anything on a level like this. No matter how good the cause, it wouldn’t be any better for him, and it still might become a menace to others.

  12. AshPlant says

    There you go again PZ, perpetuating harmful stereotypes of all those suffering from mental health.

    No, but seriously, it’s a great relief on several fronts to hear that something is finally being done about this particular crazy person. For you, for all his other spamtargets, and most importantly for him.

  13. DR says

    Problem is, Montreal Police are notoriously corrupt, and they often let slip a few punches and kicks when no-one is looking. So Markuze could either be let go by paying off the right person, or be put in a room with no windows so the boys can have a little fun with him if he gets too cocky.

  14. says

    I have heard however that he has actually been taken into custody and brought before a judge, and that he’s not responding well.

    Not running away this time, though.

    Well, I do hope that he gets a good psychological evaluation. Probably mentally disturbed, could just be a jerk, too.

    Glen Davidson

  15. Olav says

    I hope he doesn’t suffer from police brutality, and does not get charged with nonsense involving “terrorism”, “making terrorist threats”, “using the internet” and such. This is why I have mixed feelings about getting law enforcement involved in cases like this. Even though it can sometimes be quite necessary to involve them, they are often either useless or worse than useless.

    But perhaps the police and legal system in Montréal are different, we’ll see.

  16. says

    Is there a way that we could send an amicus or something to the relevant authorities? We should be on record as primarily, for all our past frustrations, concerned about him.

    RJB

  17. Brownian says

    I hope he doesn’t suffer from police brutality, and does not get charged with nonsense involving “terrorism”, “making terrorist threats”, “using the internet” and such. This is why I have mixed feelings about getting law enforcement involved in cases like this. Even though it can sometimes be quite necessary to involve them, they are often either useless or worse than useless.

    But perhaps the police and legal system in Montréal are different, we’ll see.

    I doubt they’re different, but like you, I hope he doesn’t get slapped around. But as for getting the police involved, it seemed to be the only proactive measure possible at this point. Mama Markuze seemed deeply in denial, if not all out supportive of her son’s dangerous behaviours, and unrelated people on the internet don’t have the power to compell someone to undergo psychiatric treatment. There wasn’t really any other way, and for that reason, I think it was only a matter of time until the police were involved.

    Fortunately, at this point, the harm he caused has only been psychological.

  18. Phil says

    I have not had the “pleasure” of seeing Markuze comment on my own blog, but put in the “hope he does get some treatment” camp.

  19. speedwell says

    Musca said:

    I hope he gets help so he won’t become obsessed with anything on a level like this. No matter how good the cause, it wouldn’t be any better for him, and it still might become a menace to others.

    You’re right. I agree.

    I was thinking of a friend of my brother’s, who I knew when I was a senior in high school and he and my brother were freshmen. He was a smart, highly engaged kid then, but he has grown into a seriously obsessed, reclusive stock trader who bills himself as a misunderstood Aspergers prodigy who never had any friends and amused himself sadly alone with Mozartian musical genius. He’s actualy published a book about his obsession (since he really is smart, it’s a clever book in many ways) with a first chapter all about what a misunderstood genius he was, and is. My brother, upon being sent a complimentary copy by the author, actually smacked his own forehead and laughed like a banshee. I’d be ashamed to print what I said. :)

    That fellow is harmless and productive. I think what I was getting across is that it’s the best I can foresee for poor Dennis. Neither man, in my estimation, is capable of anything like full normal functioning.

  20. Nom de Plume says

    Probably mentally disturbed, could just be a jerk, too.

    Thanks for pointing out what I was thinking myself. There seems to be a tacit assumption here that the man suffers from serious mental illness. He certainly shows some symptoms of it, but has he ever been professionally evaluated that anyone’s aware of? Shut-ins who spend all their time on the internet are hardly a rarity, though obviously the death threats take it to a whole new level.

    All of that being said, the signs certainly point to him being disturbed, though we should probably wait for the doctor’s diagnosis before we state it as a fact.

  21. Alverant says

    @Olav
    Why shouldn’t he be charged with making terrorist threats? That’s exactly what he was doing! Terrorism is defined as “the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political or religious purposes”. He was making threats with the intention to intimidate people who were a threat to his world view. That sounds like terrorism to me.

    Only reason I can see not to is that it feeds the christian persecution complex.

  22. alanmac says

    I’ve followed this on here and on “Dispatches” and I noticed that NOBODY ever went before a Justice of the Peace and swore out a criminal charge against this guy. All the copies of emails sent to police mean nothing without somebody standing up for them before a JP, to initiate the process, then in court. The police aren’t the ones who bring the charge in a case like this, the complainant is. And under Canadian common law, the accused has the right to face their accuser. This is a serious charge that could net this guy up to 5 years in prison if indited (innocent until proven guilty), or up to 18 months by summary conviction (guilty unless he can prove himself innocent).

    As far as the mental heath issues go, that is entirely up to the judge.

  23. Vicki says

    Alanmac,

    So if I call the Montreal police to report a crime, they’re going to hang up, because I’m supposed to know that they can’t do anything, I have to find a Justice of the Peace? Somehow, I doubt it.

    It’s possible that their standard response to reports of death threats is “You need to swear out a complaint, here’s the phone number of the Palais de Justice, they’ll be open again at 9 tomorrow morning.” But they didn’t even do that in this case.

  24. truthspeaker says

    alanmac says:
    17 August 2011 at 12:29 pm

    I’ve followed this on here and on “Dispatches” and I noticed that NOBODY ever went before a Justice of the Peace and swore out a criminal charge against this guy. All the copies of emails sent to police mean nothing without somebody standing up for them before a JP, to initiate the process, then in court.

    I don’t know about Quebec, but that’s not how criminal prosecutions work in the US. My state doesn’t even have Justices of the Peace.

  25. truthspeaker says

    alanmac says:
    17 August 2011 at 12:29 pm

    I’ve followed this on here and on “Dispatches” and I noticed that NOBODY ever went before a Justice of the Peace and swore out a criminal charge against this guy. All the copies of emails sent to police mean nothing without somebody standing up for them before a JP, to initiate the process, then in court. The police aren’t the ones who bring the charge in a case like this, the complainant is.

    Is that how it works in Quebec? Because that sure as hell isn’t how it works in the US. My state doesn’t even have justices of the peace. A criminal charge often requires a complaining witness, but police or prosecutors bring criminal charges, not private citizens.

  26. truthspeaker says

    Sorry for the double post. I had to navigate away from the page and then come back for the post to show up.

  27. alanmac says

    @truthspeaker #29

    That’s how this TYPE of case would work in CANADA. Criminal law in Canada is over federal jurisdiction. The police have no evidence of their own so the complainant must swear it before a JP. In some cases where the police collect the evidence: i.e. impaired driving, homicide, the police officers swear the evidence and the Crown is the complainant, and the police officers must appear in court. In this case, the Crown will take over the case in court, but the complainant must still appear.

  28. says

    I think amicus briefs are asking for a certain decision in a case before the court. “We hope you don’t slap him around” doesn’t qualify. Maybe “we hope you’ll have him seen by a psychiatrist” qualifies but it is asking them to follow their own procedures.

  29. gonzague says

    Gonna get all lawyerly on y’all: a police officer will gather the evidence (be it through witness statements, material elements of proof, documents – including internet printouts). When he acquires enough proof, he will then file his report and it will be submitted as a complaint to a Crown Prosecutor. That prosecutor will then decide if there are reasonable chances to secure a conviction in light of applicable statutes and case law. He may ask for supplemental investigations, meet with certain witnesses, etc. The police may go before a Justice of the Peace to secure a search warrant, to gather more proof.
    As to Montreal police being corrupt, well, we’ve had our ups and downs, but nothing like Seattle, Los Angeles, or Toronto for quite some time…

  30. heliobates says

    All the copies of emails sent to police mean nothing without somebody standing up for them before a JP, to initiate the process, then in court.

    In Canada, the Crown, and only the Crown, brings criminal charges against a person. IANAL, but going the JP route would just result in an order by the JP to the Crown to charge, which is not the same as one citizen “bringing charges” against another.

    The Crown will decide whether or not the SVPM have gathered enough evidence to sustain a criminal charge.

  31. Graculus says

    In Canada, the Crown, and only the Crown, brings criminal charges against a person.

    Yes, but an individual can initiate charges through the Crown. No JP needed.

    BTW, standard method of dealing with the first report of harassment in my neck of the Canadian woods is the cops have a chat with the offender, as a “shot across the bow”. The idea is that it will get the offending party to shut up, and the cops won’t have to do any paperwork. It works fairly well on the sane. It looks like the Montreal police did this, but then droppped the ball afterwards.

    Just remember, cops are lazy, then everything makes sense.

  32. evilDoug says

    With regard to making a statement before a JP, I can assert with abolute certainty that this is NOT required in Alberta for criminal charges to be laid. When I was assulted several years ago, I made a statement to police. They had no direct knowlege of the event. Several weeks later I called the police to see if anything had happened in the case. Nothing had. The next thing I knew about progress was when a cop showed up at my door to serve me the notice to appear at the trial, which was heard in The Court of Queen’s Bench. (It was worth the wait – the best part of the whole affair was when the accused started to mouth off while the judge was giving his decision, and the judge turned to him and said, “You say nothing”.)

  33. says

    As far as Dennis’s psychiatric condition is concerned, he certainly exhibits strong traits of obsessive behaviour, but he needs to be professionally evaluated. If he turns out to be psychotic, infantile, severely autistic or in any other way not responsible for his actions, then I hope he gets all the help he needs to lead a peaceful and productive life from now on.

    If by some stretch he turns out to be wholly sane, and has carried on his diabolical persecution wilfully, and with full awareness of the consequences to his victims, then I hope they throw the book at him.

    Either way, I am delighted that Dennis’s antisocial and threatening behaviour has stopped, and that he has become the subject of professional intervention.

  34. Olav says

    Alverant:

    @Olav
    Why shouldn’t he be charged with making terrorist threats?

    Sorry, pet peeve of mine. He shouldn’t because in most Western countries, that label gets stuck on every crime that authorities do not know exactly how to handle. Call something “terrorist” and suddenly due process is no longer a necessity, presumption of innocence is out of the window, all sorts of “evidence” that would otherwise be inadmissible becomes the foundation of the prosecutor’s case. Oh, and they can easily add +10 years to any sentence, even if it is just for stealing a can of beer, if they make the argument that it was done for terrorist purposes.

    Mr. Markuze should be held accountable for the crimes he committed, which seem to be making threats, no adjectives need to be added to the case to make it sound worse.

    Of course, if he is judged to be mentally ill and a danger to society he can be held at Her Majesty’s pleasure pretty much indefinitely already. There doesn’t even need to be a life sentence. For what it is worth, I think that is wrong.

  35. truthspeaker says

    I would like to thank the Canadians who weighed in on the criminal justice system and confirmed alanmac was wrong.

  36. 'Tis Himself, pour encourager les autres says

    Damn you, Greg Laden. You made me do something I swore I’d never do. I went to your blog.

    And read nothing there I didn’t already know. I should have known better.

    Although I did hear you once wrote coherently about the Congo.

  37. Vicki says

    Thanks, Cuttlefish.

    It looks as though the reporter or editor added an “alleged” to the quote from Vanderbeek:

    VanderBeek says while testy exchanges are common online, alleged threats of decapitations, executions and genocide are not.

    I understand that the newspaper doesn’t want to say that Mabus actually uttered threats, in case he isn’t convicted, but I’m fairly sure that Vanderbeek was talking about the frequence of actual threats, not the frequence of alleged threats. (I would also guess that alleged threats are more common than actual ones, online and off.)

  38. heliobates says

    From the link:

    “believe me, the only reason the photo is available is because I WANTED IT OUT THERE…. actually it is quite a flattering photo of me: With finger cocked and pointing, I say “And I gotta take out these idiots!”

    I’m very glad that this is going to come back to haunt Dennis, and not the families of some dead atheists and scientists.

  39. heliobates says

    From the linked article:

    “believe me, the only reason the photo is available is because I WANTED IT OUT THERE…. actually it is quite a flattering photo of me: With finger cocked and pointing, I say “And I gotta take out these idiots!”

    I’m very glad that this is going to come back to haunt Dennis, and not the families of some dead atheists.

  40. LAB says

    @ #23 “speedwell”

    I’m missing the joke about your brother’s childhood friend who has (or identifies himself as having) Asperger Syndrome. He’s a smart stock trader who wrote a clever book…and this caused you to laugh your a$$ off at him? He’s not capable of “anything like full normal functioning”? What on earth is “normal functioning”? Your admit the guy is “harmless and productive,” so what is he doing in this conversation? Individuals with Asperger Syndrome may not be “normal” by your standards, but that doesn’t mean they deserve ridicule. Your offensive, smug comment turned my stomach. Yuck.

  41. says

    I’m just going to repost my Obama quote from TET:

    The biggest concern we have right now is not the launching of a major terrorist operation, although that risk is always there, the risk that we’re especially concerned over right now is the lone wolf terrorist, somebody with a single weapon being able to carry out wide-scale massacres of the sort that we saw in Norway recently. You know, when you’ve got one person who is deranged or driven by a hateful ideology, they can do a lot of damage, and it’s a lot harder to trace those lone wolf operators.

    I’m glad he now has the attention he needs, one way or another.

  42. The Lone Coyote says

    I have asperger’s syndrome. LAB, to be fair to #23, it sounds more to me like a guy who doesn’t quite ‘get’ aspergers syndrome, than an actual conscious attempt to insult.

    Yes, many of us are reclusive. Part of that is just sorta being ‘in our own world’, but another part of it is the fact that people tend to misunderstand and even flat-out reject us anyways. And I hate that reclusiveness becomes associated with creepiness- OH WOW, HOW CREEPY, I’m minding my own business, doing my own thing, and not bothering anyone! OoooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooooohhhh! Weirdo!

    My aspie take on it: If you’re gonna mock them, mock them for the ‘Nice Guy’ brand of misogyny rampant in wrongplanet on freenode. Nice-Guy misogyny is fucking virulent among aspie males, if that place is any guide. It’s an example of a behavior that fully deserves to be mocked.

    But for being ‘reclusive’ and ‘misunderstood’? That ain’t fair.

  43. Geek Goddess says

    @alanmac

    Reports were filed. Tim Farley filed a report with his local police months ago, and he sent that report to Montreal. Nothing happened. PZ has indicated that he contacted several different law enforcement agencies and no one helped him.

  44. Philip Legge says

    Tim, I knew you were planning to provide a big blog post, but that’s a monster! Well done to you and the rest of your fellow twitterers.

  45. speedwell says

    Your offensive, smug comment turned my stomach.

    Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear enough. Not one word of that man’s so-called “autobiography” was true. So far from being a shy, friendless loner, he had several girlfriends in succession while getting regularly into various sorts of trouble, more often than not with my brother. Wild, sassy kid. And a musical genius? He was in ensemble choir with me; that’s about it. Sorry you’re so offended.

  46. speedwell says

    To get to the point, what should offend you more is that someone attempted to profit off Asperger’s syndrome by lying about himself to appear to be a misunderstood, pitiable victim.

  47. The Lone Coyote says

    You could have just told us he was lying about the whole ‘misunderstood recluse’ part in your original post, you know….

  48. Philip Legge says

    PZ, I’m with you on the tone of the apologetic final tweets issued by Markuze – they don’t sound like Mabus, but on the other hand, they were issued under a variety of Twitter accounts (at least 5 different accounts are visible on Tim’s page) and the use of lower-case letters and the first-person plural is consistent and typical.

  49. says

    Tim Farley made a comment on Greg’s blog post:

    I have spoken with the detective on the case several times. She has asked me not to publish her info, as this case is a bit of a media circus already. But she is VERY INTERESTED in anyone who has filed police reports about Mabus in the past. She is collecting these to use as supporting material in her case. So, if you actually spoke to a police officer about Mabus and filed a report, regardless of where you live, contact me. You can reach me at the webmaster address for my website whatstheharm.net. Thanks!

  50. says

    To all those who signed the petition, retweeted this, kept it alive, kept the pressure on the cops, got this moving: just thanks, and thanks for caring enough.

    Yes, it could still end badly. I hear those worrying about as much, and sure, I sympathize. There’s no real guarantees, never are…

    But getting the authorities involved was beyond obligatory, at this point. What’s nuttiest here, if anything, is how much it took to get them to take this seriously. Most of this shouldn’t really even have been on you.

    You did a good thing. Best thing you could do, really. Remember that, however it ends.

  51. Old Rockin' Dave says

    I saw this page and cracked up: https://libresansdieu.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/dennis-markuze-a-ete-arrete/.
    If the link doesn’t come through, the part I loved is how he is described as a “cyber-emmerdeur.” Babelfish translates “emmerdeur” as “bloody nuisance”, but it really means something like “cybershitter” or “cyber-shitslinger”.
    Everyone hates the French, but they come up with a great term like that, while all we’ve got are Freedom Fries.

  52. Old Rockin' Dave says

    “Caine, fleur du mal”,you misunderstand. Francophobia is common in the US, but if I thought it was okay I wouldn’t make fun of such stupidities as Freedom Fries. That said, since you couldn’t comment in a civil manner but immediately resorted to invective, I’d like to point out that you are a hypersensitive tabetic shitbeard. And you, “Super Shala” are a sycophant to a tabetic shitbeard.

  53. Classical Cipher says

    Goodness, ORD… You call that invective? Keep up your insipid kvetching about civility and how people had the terrible audacity to read what you actually wrote instead of what you meant to write, you puling lackwit. You’ll get your invective meters re-calibrated with due speed.

  54. says

    ORD:

    That said, since you couldn’t comment in a civil manner but immediately resorted to invective

    That wasn’t invective, Cupcake. That was less than you deserved for being such a moron. Perhaps where you live, people still go on about “freedom fries” and other such jingoism. That you help to perpetuate such shit with things like “everyone hates the French” makes you an asshat. A stupid one.

    I understood you just fine. If invective upsets you, Cupcake, try not to be such a fucking idiot, especially on Pharyngula, which is a blog with a global commentariat.

    Now here’s a decaying porcupine for you, be sure to insert it backwards, hard. It’s tradition.

  55. says

    Hi guys,

    Cyberemmerdeur is the best I could find to translate “cyber-stalker” in French. “Cyber-pain-in-the-ass” could be a good way to revert “cyberemmerdeur” to English.

  56. says

    As a Canadian who has some experience with the court system, I think it’s possible Markuze will get some consideration if it turns out he has mental difficulties. There is currently a discretionary diversion program that allows some offenders to keep their records clean and avoid charges if they participate in court-mandated programs. It’s entirely possible he will be hooked up with the Canadian Mental Health Association (who maintain offices in most courthouses) for evaluation, counselling and monitoring and perhaps avoid incarceration entirely. This would be a good outcome if it resulted in treatment for an undiagnosed mental disorder or otherwise forced Markuze to acknowledge his difficulties. If he did win diversion, it would be conditional on future behavior and if he re-offended it would not go easy on him.

  57. First Approximation says

    I also hope he gets treatment. He’s obviously not well.

    Kinda sad though the police only acted now. Here are some death threats he sent nearly two years ago and that PZ showed to the authorities:

    i will execute you. the police wont save you

    God told me to MURDER you…

    pz and his entire family will burn in HELL…
    police won’t save that fucker from me…

    did you know that blasphemy is punishable by DEATH and I am here to execute all of you?

    There was A LOT like this. PZ ended up giving 61 pages of this stuff to the authorities. The police seriously didn’t handle this well.

  58. Super Shala says

    And you, “Super Shala” are a sycophant to a tabetic shitbeard.

    Yeah, it’s very sycophantic when I’m fucking French myself and agree that pointless stereotypes are fucking annoying as fuck.

    You fucker. I demand an apology.

    Even without that in mind, there’s the fact that Caine is, wait for it, just plain more intelligent than you, enough of a reason to say “hear hear” in response to bullshit.

  59. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    I see that Zenbunny closed her thread down.

    Shame. I was hoping to go knock that moron Shizzle around some more.

  60. Synapse says

    Reading anything on twitter drives me up the wall, but that is definitely a very thorough Mabus write-up. Also, agreed on wanting him better, but the later on that a psychosis is treated, the less likely that the treatment isn’t highly damaging. A close uncle of mine lapsed into psychosis and was treated too late, and has some dramatic loss of function as a result. He used to be such an excellent chess player…

  61. First Approximation says

    From the Tim Farley link:

    I got a copy of this email too, as did the Montreal Police themselves since they were part of the conversation. Yes, you read that right – Mabus sent one of his threatening emails directly to the Montreal Police.

    Wow, it really took that for them to finally act. The Montreal Police really fucked this up. Mabus is ill, so you really can’t get mad at him, but the police have no excuse.

  62. First Approximation says

    Correction: it took getting threatening emails from Mabus himself AND a massive online petition to finally get the Montreal Police to act.

  63. Old Rockin' Dave says

    In hopes of ending this tempest in a teapot, I will make some points painfully clear so even semiliterate knuckle-draggers will understand.
    I did NOT say that I hate the French. I did NOT say it was okay to hate the French. There is a lot of Francophobe sentiment loose in American society, so to say “everyone hates the French” is to use “everyone” in the same sense Mark Twain wrote that “everyone talks about the weather”. If I made any mistake, it was that I should have found some way to signify my intent (Would *Caution: the next comment is meant to be sarcastic!* work? Maybe more asterisks? Or maybe something involving Asterix?). I did NOT say I share that opinion, and I don’t.
    For a better view of my opinions regarding France and American popular opinion, follow this link: http://skippyslist.com/2009/08/12/russian-wwii-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-58875, specifically comment #19. Be sure to note the date.
    (**Caution: the next comment is meant to be sarcastic!**)I hope I won’t get any replies from mortally offended knuckle-draggers.

  64. Old Rockin' Dave says

    “Super” Shala says: “I’m fucking French myself”
    I don’t care who you’re fucking, French or otherwise.
    You “demand” an apology? Okay, I’m sorry. I’m sorry you’re an asshole who wouldn’t recognize sarcasm if it wore a sign around its neck. If you want any more satisfaction, let me know and I’ll have my seconds call on yours in the morning.
    By the way, do your knuckles hurt from walking that way?

  65. truthspeaker says

    Those crazy French! Remember when they declined to participate in the attack on Iraq because they thought the WMD intelligence was trumped up and the inspection regime was working? Boy did they have egg on their faces when we invaded and found out Saddam had dismantled all the WMD programs and the inspection regime was working!

    Wait…

  66. Super Shala says

    You “demand” an apology? Okay, I’m sorry. I’m sorry you’re an asshole who wouldn’t recognize sarcasm if it wore a sign around its neck.

    Your “joke” wasn’t funny. Now fuck off and actually think for a moment on why it’s not funny.

    If I made any mistake, it was that I should have found some way to signify my intent

    Yes you should, asshole. It’s a failure of communication on your part.

    Now, that apology, without terrible attempts at humour this time?

  67. Super Shala says

    also this

    There is a lot of Francophobe sentiment loose in American society, so to say “everyone hates the French” is to use “everyone” in the same sense Mark Twain wrote that “everyone talks about the weather”.

    is such a fucking idiotic statement i can’t believe i’m reading this holy fuck.

    Now if you were actually a decent person, you’d say, “Oh, sorry about offending you, next time I’ll use sarcasm quotes since this is the Internet.” or some shit, but no, you want to be a cupcake instead. So be it. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone apologize over making some sort of terrible homophobic “joke” either, so I’m not expecting you to actually do the right thing here.

  68. tohellwithyourturtle says

    Fucking yuck, you dislike somebody for idiotic posts displaying signs of mental illness? I know that you won’t understand the double standard, but internet atheists do the same thing.
    The tactic now is to imprison mentally ill people because they annoy you? Way to go. You are truly champions of equality.

    You are NOT always right, if you are not intelligent enough to realize that…well, fuck you. Why else would you be a troll target? It’s because anybody can get a ridiculous reaction out of you. All that one must do is say something with minor differences from the pharyngula “culture” and they are attacked. I’ve yet to see a rational argument based upon a post made here (or at the other site). You’re not clever, you’re fulfilling a stereotype about internet atheists. Way to go. Go ahead and destroy everything by being an asshole. Perhaps the problem is that you are desperately seeking a dick.
    Grow the fuck up.

  69. ichthyic says

    The tactic now is to imprison mentally ill people because they annoy you?

    no, not because they annoy, but because they BROKE THE LAW.

    idiot.

  70. Super Shala says

    The tactic now is to imprison mentally ill people because they annoy you?

    so like

    if i send death threats to people for about 20 years, i can’t possibly be a threat to society or anything

    and it’s not like i need help

    nope

  71. says

    tohellwith:

    Why else would you be a troll target?

    You aren’t terribly bright, are you? Someone who has spent a majority of their waking life, first spamming, then noticeably escalating into death threats, targeting the same people for 18 years is not your garden variety troll.

    The idea is yes, to get him to stop and for him to get help. He obviously has issues, obsession definitely being one of them. DM has broken the law, many times over a long period of time. There seems to be something about that you don’t get.

    I’ve been on the receiving end of DM’s death threats, as have many people here and elsewhere on the net. Physically, I’m within easy travel distance of DM. I do not take death threats lightly, you broken crayon. No one should.

  72. says

    Obvious Troll is obvious, I’d say.

    But please do give us your e-mail address and your Twitter account, tohellwithyoucupcake. We’ll be sure to draw Mabus’ attention to you, should he be released. Then you can tell us if it’s just “idiotic posts displaying signs of mental illness”.

    And “desperately seeking a dick”? Trying to use accusations of either gayness or sluttiness as an insult? Not cool.

    Tohellwithyourself, please. You know what? I hear they have porcupine barstools there. Please sit down hard.