Samantha Bee on the Brexit vote


While her clip was as funny as it usually is, she also shows the young woman who says that she regrets her vote to leave the EU because she did not realize the consequences and that if she had to do it again, she would vote to remain. Bee also shows the interview with the man who said that although he wanted the UK to remain in the EU, he voted to leave as a protest vote because he thought that the Remain vote would win.

I have seen those clips played multiple times and those two people have become objects of ridicule as the poster children for voter stupidity but we should be wary of generalizing from those particular cases.

Comments

  1. sonofrojblake says

    I feel a tinge of sympathy for Mandy Suthi, the student who has become the public face of Bregret, and also a significant worry that the combination of her utter stupidity, her media exposure and her status as an ethnic minority will lead to horrible things happening to her. Compounding the idiocy of her position was the idiocy of announcing it to the first person who stuck a microphone and a camera in her face.

    The only bright sides I can see are that it’s wonderful to see someone of her background so well representing Britishness in all its dumb fucking ignorance of the issues and the fact that’s probably too dim to realise how famous she’s become.

    The best comment I’ve seen so far on the whole sorry mess is that this is the kind of nonsense you get when you ask a complicated and important question to the populace that came up with “Boaty McBoatface”.

  2. Sean2007 says

    PPP–Predictable Propaganda Performance hitting on all the mass media talking points. Apparently, propaganda is more effective when it’s presented as comedy, though how anyone finds this talentless establishment sockpuppet amusing or informative is beyond me.

    Here’s something that’s really amusing: the consistency with which the mass media trots out the same anti-white, anti-working class and anti-democratic talking points in damn near every article and broadcast.

    http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2016/06/brexit-chicken-little-said-sky-is.html

    “Hilarious headlines about the Brexit vote! OVER THE TOP- Fear and insults

    The people who voted to leave are (insert insult from list below)

    *White
    *Old
    *Racist
    *Poor
    *Male
    *Unintelligent
    *Conspiracy theorists!! (yes, conspiracy theorists!!)
    *Losers
    *Concerned with ‘game of thrones’?
    *Suicidal
    *Putin lovers”

    She then goes on to give links to mendacious and hysterical articles reflecting all of the above. The bullshit speaks for itself, at least for anyone with an iota of critical thinking skills. The fact is all the Remain crowd has to back its case is insults, fear-mongering and bigotry and this is borne out in the media time and again. I’ve yet to encounter a single intelligent, honest. non-elitist argument for Remain from anyone in that camp, anywhere.

    By contrast, here’s a serious and factual presentation on the issues behind Brexit without the snark, snottiness and elitist bigotry.

  3. John Morales says

    Sean2007:

    Apparently, propaganda is more effective when it’s presented as comedy

    You’re funny — the results are already in.

    Propaganda is particularly stupid when the issue is already settled.

    (You’re not just left — you’re left behind!)

  4. John Morales says

    BTW, Sean2007, I quote Charlie Stross’ 7 Ps:
    “Pale Patriarchal Protestant Plutocratic Penis-People of Power”.

  5. sonofrojblake says

    Sean2007, 4: (written on June 30th)

    all the Remain crowd has to back its case is insults, fear-mongering and bigotry

    Odd choice of tense there – surely you mean “had” and “was”. You do realise the vote was a week ago, right? And your side won. So why the apparent anger?

    The results are in, and all the Remain crowd has left is the evidence of reality – the pound falling, stock markets falling, the EU warning that out is out, widespread reports of emboldened racists intimidating people they perceive as foreign, chaos reigning in both the Labour and Conservative parties, Scotland looking set to leave the UK… well done, Leave voters. Bravo.

  6. Sean2007 says

    As should be obvious, the referendum may be over, but the propaganda war against Brexiters has increased to a fever pitch. The referendum is not binding, so the ruling class is hoping it can get people to change their minds or look the other way while they stage another referendum or just ignore the results of the last one, precisely as occurred in Greece where the people overwhelmingly voted to reject the EU-dictated “bailout” plan only to have it forced down their throats by the government.

    The tone of this propaganda speaks for itself, and shows what the patriarchal penis people who control the media and government truly think of the citizens. It never occurs to people who use terms like “patriarchal penis people” that the people who developed this meme are the very ones who control society, i.e. “the Patriarchy” or whatever you wish to call it. They think they are clever and have the game figured out when in fact they are just gullible dupes of the ruling elite’s divide and rule identity politics brainwashing.

    The only ones whining about the result are the mass media and the indoctrinated bourgeois lapdog class.

    Speaking of lapdogs, if there is anyone who qualifies as a “penis person” it is Remain commander and neocon water-boy David Cameron.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/picture/2016/jun/01/steve-bell-on-david-camerons-eu-campaigning-cartoon

  7. John Morales says

    Sean2007:

    As should be obvious, the referendum may be over, but the propaganda war against Brexiters has increased to a fever pitch. The referendum is not binding, so the ruling class is hoping it can get people to change their minds or look the other way while they stage another referendum or just ignore the results of the last one, precisely as occurred in Greece where the people overwhelmingly voted to reject the EU-dictated “bailout” plan only to have it forced down their throats by the government.

    Well yes, the referendum is over. However much buyer’s remorse is in the public consciousness, it is a done thing. You should be happy!

    More to the point, it was was the ruling class (as you so quaintly put it) which created the referendum in the first place!

    In regards to the Greek referendum, as you admit, its terms were whether to accept the EU bailout or not; quite a different thing to whether to secede from the EU.

    As for the referendum not being binding, that’s true in a technical sense, but do note that it was binding towards the “New Settlement for the United Kingdom within the European Union”, reached at the European Council on 18-19 February 2016. That is now irrevocably gone from the table.

    The only ones whining about the result are the mass media and the indoctrinated bourgeois lapdog class.

    You think you aren’t whining? Heh.

    Speaking of lapdogs, if there is anyone who qualifies as a “penis person” it is Remain commander and neocon water-boy David Cameron.

    The very person who first promised, then instigated the referendum.

    (If the instigator was a lapdog, what does that make you?)

  8. Sean2007 says

    “Buyer’s remorse” is not in the public consciousness; this is just another mass media fiction which is why they keep showing the same two people over and over again. Funny, we never got this “buyer’s remorse” meme from the media over Obama.

    Yes, the “ruling class.” What a quaint term. Who speaks like this anyway? The correct term is “white, cis-gendered male patriarchy.”

    As for who created the referendum and why, you are seriously understating the political considerations that went into that decision.

    Firstly, Cameron promised the referendum as a means of undercutting support for UKIP which the conservatives were afraid would take seats away from them over the leave issue. At the time it seemed a low-risk strategy as the pro-EU camp were confident of an easy win with the mass media and much of the Blairite wing of the Labour party on their side.

    Secondly, the pro-EU side considered a referendum on remaining to be inevitable, and thought it would be better to hold the referendum on their own terms in collaboration with a mass media propaganda campaign than to wait for sentiments to swing the other with the increasing deterioration of the economy of the EU and UK as well as broken promises over immigration. It was a roll of the dice they thought they were sure to win, but many people proved immune to the propaganda, which is a victory in itself. People are learning not to trust the media.

    The Greek referendum was a vote on sovereignty and the right of the people to forge their own destiny independent of control from the EU, just like the Leave vote. There is quite a bit of evidence of an EU plan to kick Greece out of the EU should they have failed to accept austerity and Cameron himself suggested the EU should do so. This shows how much all that talk of “unity” and “cooperation” were worth.

    If you have something substantial to offer besides puerile insults, I’m all ears. But at this point I suspect not so probably won’t bother responding in the future.

  9. John Morales says

    Sean2007:

    “Buyer’s remorse” is not in the public consciousness; this is just another mass media fiction which is why they keep showing the same two people over and over again.

    Thus the petition with over 4M signatures for another referendum, and thus your expressed concern that article 50 might not be invoked. Right?

    Yes, the “ruling class.” What a quaint term. Who speaks like this anyway? The correct term is “white, cis-gendered male patriarchy.”

    The power elite is my preferred term.

    As for who created the referendum and why, you are seriously understating the political considerations that went into that decision.

    I didn’t state them at all; thing is, you admit it was Cameron, and so cede my point.

    The Greek referendum was a vote on sovereignty and the right of the people to forge their own destiny independent of control from the EU, just like the Leave vote.

    From a political perspective, it might seem so. In reality, it was a vote on whether to acquiesce to the conditions imposed by those who were bailing them out of their insolvency so they could get the money. Yeah, they ended up taking the money, after a bit of a rethink.

    If you have something substantial to offer besides puerile insults, I’m all ears. But at this point I suspect not so probably won’t bother responding in the future.

    It hurts to be shown as a specious ideologue, does it?
    But fine, leave me with the last word — it is fitting.

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