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All eugenicists are incompetent geneticists

It’s more of a pathetic squeak.

Dave Futrelle found something provocative: a new type of guy (and he has lots of opinions about breeding). It’s an out-and-proud eugenicist, one who doesn’t seem to know very much about genetics, but he has written an unfinished app called Seekia, a genetics aware mate discovery network with the goal to help humanity mate in a genetics aware manner. It makes many grand claims about being able to compare your genetic constitution to that of a potential mate, and calculate the likelihood of healthy offspring. It is not at all clear where it’s getting genetic information from, so the premise is dubious, but also the app announces that it is incomplete, and cannot actually connect to the internet, so its conclusions are entirely imaginary. Furthermore, you can’t directly download the silly thing: you have to download the source code, and compile it for yourself.

No, I’m not going to do that.

Anyway, Futrelle had many examples of claims made by the creator of Seekia on Bluesky that were entertainingly demented, but Bluesky’s censorship police seems to have deleted them. Damn you, Bluesky! No, wait, that’s actually one of the good features of Bluesky, that weird stupid racist garbage is less likely to survive. Maybe he should use Twitter.

Do not be dismayed by all the “Post not found, it may have been deleted” announcements all over the We Hunted the Mammoth article. The creator of Seekia, Simon Sarasova, has helpfully archived his posts on his own web page, so you can still be entertained by his stupid thoughts. What would you do without this insight?

Obesity is an enormous problem which harms billions of people.

Obesity causes people to be uglier, less mobile, less healthy, less capable of having sex, and less able to enact virtue in the world.

Humanity should use eugenic techniques to reduce the prevalence of obesity.

The world would be a better place without obesity.

The answer is eugenics. Or what about this problem?

Stupid people are worse at driving cars.

Humanity should use eugenic techniques to make people more intelligent and better at driving cars.

The world would be a better place with fewer car accidents.

Cool. Instead of traffic tickets, the police will just send a medical team to your house to sterilize your children, I guess. They’ll also check those children to enforce gender norms.

Humanity should use eugenic techniques to reduce the prevalence of gender dysphoria disorder.

The world would be a better place without gender dysphoria disorder.

He’s also fond of quoting the Unabomber and Stefan Molyneux. But those are all short, social media style posts — to really see deeply into his shallow thoughts, you have to read his blog. Here’s an excerpt from one of his articles, Why Race Extinction Matters, so you can better understand why maybe responsible social networks are undermining his ability to spread his message.

Modern transportation technology has facilitated the spread of all human races to all regions of the world. This has accelerated the rate of interracial breeding, and has thus accelerated the rate of change in humanity’s appearance. I posit that global population growth and modern widespread human race mixing have both increased the total quantity of races. Novel combinations of races are being bred into existence.

Many modern human races are at risk of going extinct. Both the increased prevalence of interracial breeding and global fertility collapse are contributing to the risk of race extinction. Without intervention, all modern human races will eventually go extinct due to evolution, which gradually changes each race until their old traits disappear. For example, modern humans look very different from humans who lived 100,000 years ago.

Seekia is a race aware mate discovery network I created. Users can share their racial information in their profiles and filter prospective mates based on their race and the calculated race of their offspring.

One of Seekia’s goals is to help prevent race extinctions by helping members of modern endangered human races to meet and have children.

I don’t think he understands the terms “race,” “extinction,” or “genetics,” while simultaneously being obsessed with race, extinction, and genetics. Also with beauty, circumcision, acne, driving, baldness, female body hair, penis size, and obesity.

He fits right into the Manosphere. Although…does the manosphere still exist? You don’t hear much about it anymore.

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Comments

  2. raven says

    It is all almost all gibberish and just about every sentence is wrong.

    Many modern human races are at risk of going extinct.

    No they aren’t.

    They are changing, mixing, and…evolving.
    This is inevitable and a good thing.
    The “races” have always been changing and evolving.

    A few examples.
    .1. Modern European humans are of recent occurrence by hybridization.

    BBC edited for length

    Europe’s fourth ancestral ‘tribe’ uncovered
    Published 16 November 2015

    Geneticists have detected a fourth ancestral “tribe” which contributed to the modern European gene pool.

    Research shows Europeans are a mixture of three major ancestral populations – indigenous hunters, Middle Eastern farmers and a population that arrived from the east in the Bronze Age.

    DNA from ancient remains in the Caucasus has now revealed a fourth population that fed into the mix.

    It has also shown that present-day genetic patterns are poor guides to ancient ones.

    The first layer of European ancestry, the indigenous hunter-gatherers, entered Europe before the Ice Age 40,000 years ago. But 7,000 years ago, they were swept up in a migration of people from the Middle East, who introduced farming to Europe.

    Language shift
    About 5,000 years ago, herders called the Yamnaya entered Europe from the eastern Steppe region – in present day Ukraine and Russia.

    These horse riding metal workers may have brought Indo-European languages with them; today this language family comprises most of the tongues spoken in Europe.

    Europeans aren’t pure anything.
    They are a recent mixture of at least 4 different populations from all over the old world. Even our main language group, Indo-European is only 5,000 years old.

    We aren’t even counting our 3% or so Neanderthal ancestry.

    .2. Up until a few thousand years ago, most white Europeans weren’t even white.

    Most ancient Europeans had dark skin until 3,000 years ago, study finds. Dark skin was widespread across the continent for a considerably longer period than previously believed, according to a DNA study that has completely changed our perception of the appearance of ancient Europeans.Mar 12, 2025
    Most ancient Europeans had dark skin … – Archaeology News

    Archaeology News Online Magazine
    https://archaeologymag.com › 2025/03 › most-ancient-…

    It isn’t clear why our skin color became lighter but most scientists think it had something to do with keeping vitamin D levels higher in northern latitude winters.

  4. raven says

    Cross-breeding of races is undesirable? Hasn’t he heard of hybrid vigour?

    QFT.

    That has been well known for a century.

    Wikipdia Heterosis

    Heterosis, hybrid vigor, or outbreeding enhancement is the improved or increased function of any biological quality in a hybrid offspring. An offspring is heterotic if its traits are enhanced as a result of mixing the genetic contributions of its parents. The heterotic offspring often has traits that are more than the simple addition of the parents’ traits, and can be explained by Mendelian or non-Mendelian inheritance.[1] Typical heterotic/hybrid traits of interest in agriculture are higher yield, quicker maturity, stability, drought tolerance[2] etc.

    In general genetics, outbreeding is considered superior to…inbreeding.

    Almost all states have laws prohibiting breeding with your close relatives for many reasons, including genetics

    And heterosis, hybrid vigor, is the basis of all our agricultural systems. Hybrid crops are how we feed 8.2 billion people today, a task once thought to be all but impossible.

    Mixed race people are the fastest growing group in the USA.
    “In the 2020 US Census, 10.2% of the population identified as multiracial, which is 33.8 million people”.

    We all know crossbreeds of various and ever changing combinations.
    Some of us are likely to be mixes of one sort or another, including Obama, a recent president.
    And, it is all so what and who cares? It’s not a problem in the least.

  5. beholder says

    Simon’s social media posts all sound like they’re generated by a LLM. Stefan Molyneux’s plausibly indirect influence definitely tracks.

    you have to download the source code, and compile it for yourself.

    No, I’m not going to do that.

    Aww, but it’s so terribly boring so much fun to poke around in the source code. It’s a project that appears to want to be deeply interconnected with cryptocurrency, specifically with the Ethereum blockchain. It has entire data structures built around autism, obesity, and “Homosexualness”, among others.

    It is not at all clear where it’s getting genetic information from

    With that part, at least, he leaves references and relevant links to studies in the resources/geneticReferences subdirectory, usually with some indication of what data he’s taking from the study. What is less clear, and demonstrably untraceable, is how the provided neural network model goes about predicting an individual’s risk factors.

  6. StevoR says

    @2. raven : “Up until a few thousand years ago, most white Europeans weren’t even white..”

    Until maybe not even a centurty ago the Irish weren’t even considered white let alone Greeks and italians!

    FSM, even back in the 1970’s~ish Greek and Italians (& their descendents of second or third gen) her ein Oz were considered, uh, yeah, not gunna use the word we used for them then but .. very different and not in a necessarily good ways.

    Stillwe’re a werid mob.. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They%27re_a_Weird_Mob )

    Oh yeah & up until the 197-‘s we were happkly unapologetically stealing Indigenous kids esp “half castes”” fromtheir fmailies too. My Mum was told in school that we’d juisy smooth the pillow of the dying race. .

  8. says

    Humans were pretty good at travelling long before modern travel technology. Various peoples of the Pacific travelled by boat between land masses. The Romans, Moors, and Mongols spread their respective empires using horses, watercraft, and stuff with wheels. Even the European “age of exploration” in its early days used ships that were primitive by even the standards of 100 years later. And all this involved “race mixing,” voluntarily or against the will of the participants. The peoples of Madagascar for example are descendants of peoples from what is now modern Indonesia, Africa, and elsewhere.

  10. StevoR says

    Clarity fix & elaboration :

    Up until the 1970‘s (at least) the Australian govt was happily, unapologetically, stealing Indigenous kids esp “half castes”” from their families too. My Mum was told in her schooldays (1960’s-70’s~ish?) that when it came to our First Peoples “We were just smoothing the pillow of the dying race.” + “They’d all be gone soon.” Very conveniently for us. As we stole their kids and sought to destroy & erase every last skerrick of their cultures, languages, identities.

    Told to me by her and she very much thinks this was appallingly wrong now. FWIW She’s in her mid-late 70’s now and is & always has been one of the best human beings I am lucky enough to know.

    Crikey, even the English targeted and hated the Scottish & vice versa and didn’t see them as equally “white” änd us for so long and we still see those of that.

  11. StevoR says

    .. we still see sgns / echoes of that.

    Esp the English emnity for the Scottish,

    But yeah, “white” ïs a thing.. somehow..

  13. says

    Obesity is an enormous problem which harms billions of people.

    Okay…do these guys advocate any policies that might give people better access to healthcare or decent nutrition? Or is this just yet another gaggle of overgrown middle-school-mouth-breathers making fun of fat people and saying “huh huh they shouldn’ta been born huh huh!”?

  14. Jazzlet says

    Raging Bee @#13
    Oh he goes one better, he says women become obese to avoid sexual harassment, so to cure obesity we just have to get rid of sexual harassment! Makes no mention of male obesity though, I guess that’s not important.

  15. beholder says

    @14 Jazzlet

    Makes no mention of male obesity though, I guess that’s not important.

    Well, yeah. Males don’t get pregnant.

    The offspring would inherit a genetic predisposition (if there is one) from the male parent, but they inherit that in addition to an entire early chemical environment from the female parent. Obesity is increasingly understood to be a maladaptive metabolic disorder involving abnormally intense hunger — all other postnatal care being equal, chemical triggers in early development would be a risk factor passed down the female line.

  16. dangerousbeans says

    “Humanity should use eugenic techniques to reduce the prevalence of gender dysphoria disorder.”
    I’ll send him links to some go fund mes for bottom surgery

  18. Rich Lawler says

    This is the modern-day equivalent of eugenicist Charles Davenport’s (idiotic) recommendation that people should “fall in love intelligently.”

  19. Militant Agnostic says

    Raven @2

    It isn’t clear why our skin color became lighter but most scientists think it had something to do with keeping vitamin D levels higher in northern latitude winters.

    Since the Inuit and other Canadian First Nations are significantly darker than modern Northern Europeans and light skin only appeared relatively recently, I think it was driven by change in diet that drove the need for better Vitamin D synthesis.

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