Ken Ham was motivated to respond to YouTuber because, apparently, her message was inconsistent.
Our social media team recently asked me to respond to a young lady who has a YouTube channel that featured a video criticizing young-earth creationists and our (in her view) ridiculous beliefs. Now, we see many (many) such videos (there are whole channels dedicated to mocking us!) and don’t always respond, but I decided to respond to this one to point out the inconsistency in her thinking.
See if you can catch her inconsistency in the clip at the beginning of my response:
What horrible, outrageous thing did Gutsick Gibbon say? Ham pulls out a very short excerpt, about 20 seconds long, that is the basis for his 4½ minute complaint. Here’s all she is given a chance to say.
Young earth creationists are religious folk who typically come from evangelical backgrounds…basically anyone who believes that the Earth was created in more or less present state by god…approximately 6000 years ago.
If you never heard of this before, you might be saying “oh my god, what about the inbreeding?”
That’s it. That’s all Answers in Genesis can tolerate putting on their website. That first bit is totally accurate; Ken Ham might have been literally quoted saying something similar, that he is an evangelical Christian who believes that the world was created 6000 years ago by his god.
But then she says “oh my god,” which he bleeps out. He’s going to repeat that even shorter clip multiple times.
There is no inconsistency. She correctly defines Ham’s own religious belief, and happens to use a common English phrase. Ham’s objection is that, he claims, evolution and materialism are religious beliefs, too, which is irrelevant. If I were to point out that a PB&J sandwich that he is holding is a sandwich, it doesn’t refute my statement to say that my taco is also a sandwich — because Gutsick Gibbon isn’t making a case here that science is not a religion (it isn’t, but again, she’s not saying that.)
What really irks Ken Ham is that mention of the inbreeding problem. This has long been a point of irritation for him; in both the creation “museum” and fake boat gift shops, he sells stuff bragging about the fact that Adam & Eve’s kids had sex with each other, and that it wasn’t a problem because they were perfect genetic beings. He doesn’t like incest mentioned because he thinks he has an irrefutable answer to it. Never mind that he also likes to claim that they were heterozygous at every locus and that Noah’s family carried every possible allelic variant, or that what he’s arguing for is a kind of moral relativism, where sex with your brother or sister is OK if you’re not going to propagate defective children (I’ve always wanted to ask him if it’s fine to have sex with a sibling if you use contraceptives, then?)
What is inconsistent is that he then uses this offense against his faith to rant about how atheists don’t have any morality and they believe they’re just animals and animals can do anything they want. She’s ridiculous,
says the man who thinks that having a silly theme park makes him qualified to judge other’s lives.
He also doesn’t link to Gutsick Gibbon’s YouTube channel, where his followers might be able to discover that she had more to say than the only 20 seconds Ken Ham was brave enough to include.
Ham bleeps it out? Oh, of course he does. He wouldn’t know that the deity’s name is “Yahweh”, not “God”, any more than he would know that “take Yahweh’s name in vain” really means “swear an oath in Yahweh’s name and then break it”.
Not to go all tu quoque on Kenny boy here, but obedience to (an imagined) authority isn’t morality, so since he’s substituting the former for the latter, he doesn’t have any morality, either. Of course, Ken is giving an even worse form of the moral argument than that put forth by ol’ Bill Craig, but this isn’t the time to go into that.
I follow her posts on X. She is an awesome spokesperson for science. She regularly (with clear unemotional scientific arguments and evidence) demolishes YEC arguments.
Incest aside, where did Cain get his wife? And how did he manage to found a city? I’m sure Ken has an answer.
Wait, what? Seriously diarrhoeaously?
That really does NOT sound like terribly family friendly merch..
The “Intelligent Designer” figured out after things went bad with the Tree of Knowledge that Cain having sex with his sisters would be a bad idea. So he poofed up a whole bunch of people for Cain to boink. Maybe he also figured out that Cain needed someone to boss around as well.
Hey, it makes as much sense as the rest of the story. Like God not putting a fence or whatever around the Tree.
What GG really loves to do is beat up YECs with the heat problem. To cram all of the observed tectonics and radioactive decay in the rock record into 6000 years you generate enough heat to melt the earth’s crust and boil off the oceans many times over. Ham, of course, is to dense to realize there is a problem. The honest YECs that have studied the issue realize they don’t have an answer.
AstroLad @5
God crossed his arms, then bobbed his head and the heat went away.
Has anyone realize that Dumb Idiot Ham’s a pervert who thinks people young and old should always engage in neverending woopie sessions and breed like rabbits and overpopulate the earth as depicted in his fantasy world and in the dystopic sci-fi novel Soya Green?
I think the way Ham celebrates Adam and Eve’s copulating in his worthless faculties is an admission that he, himself, secretly engage in pedophilia just like the numerous pastors and preachers who got caught, arrested, tried, convicted, and sentence to spend decades in prison for the crime of sexually molesting children. The only way to confirm this is the have one of his victims bravely step forward and tell everyone about their nightmarish experience with Dumb Idiot Ham, Martyn Lies, “Buddy” Davis, and other stinkin’ AiG losers.
I suppose it’s okay if a person wants to out-source their morality, but they should be willing to acknowledge the fact.
Genetic variation requires mutations, on which natural selection goes to work. Since 4000 BC there would be so little diversity, all humans would be practically clones.
More likely, we would be extinct after some primate- or bat-based parasitic organism (most likely a virus) jumped the species barrier and killed everyone since there is no variation.
The Hamster is compressed ignorance on two legs.
Why di you say “incest aside”? Isn’t Kan Ham’s answer incest, so why do we put it aside?
LOL, Gutsick Gibbon ALWAYS has more to say than 20 seconds. Started watching her videos recently and they are all like 90 minutes minimum, and great stuff.