Oh, no — I have been not-invited to not-appear on a radio show about me.
Dear PZ,
I host a US radio show from here in the UK, with ArtistFirst Radio Network, which predominantly focuses on bullying and abuse.
A few years ago, you had an infatuation with attacking me. To this day, I have no idea what this was about, or even what provoked you.
Wait, what? This person is named Debra Rufini, and I had to look her up — she was gesturing maniacally on the interwebs at me back in 2008. I can tell you what “provoked” me: she was sending me dozens of emails, sometimes daily, in which she complained in the same way she is here. I responded to her first email, which was a list of 50 “proofs” for the existence of a god. It was very silly.
I replied to her frequent and obsessive emails precisely four times — while she was pestering me for over 5 years. To claim I had an infatuation with attacking her is contrary nonsense.
When I politely asked you, you cowardly ran away from facing up to me, hiding behind your website, insisting that I had an ‘obsession’ with you – one of the major traits of NPD; provoking, followed by victim blaming.
The subject of my last show was the serial killer, Rosemary West. After all my broadcasts covering abuse of all forms; from spiritual abuse carried out in the church, to Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it’s only right, and about time that I host a show exploring and examining my own bully – you!
Asked me what?
To claim I’m hiding behind my website is absurd. I’m right here, easily accessible, with my email right there (she’s had no problem finding it), and I’m not clear on what she expects as an alternative. I’m not going to show up in person at her front door — that would be stalkerish, and would suggest a degree of interest in her that simply isn’t there.
But sure, go on some tiny (or even popular) radio show and talk about me. Don’t care.
I would invite you to be my guest on next month’s show … but you will only run off into your mouse hole, gathering your flying monkeys along the way, enhancing the degree of bullying and abuse.
You targeted a weak and vulnerable person in me all those years ago. Justice will be served on behalf of myself and all the others you have targeted. You have other victims too, don’t you?!
Yes. I have other victims, just like Debra Rufini. People who regard me as evil personified, who I mostly have never heard of. Don’t care.
In preparation for this broadcast, I Googled; ‘PZ Myers- bullying.’ I was shocked, but not surprised at the amount of people you have attacked. What a vile individual. You have attacked Professor Dawkins, Atheistrev.com mentions how you mock and attack anyone who doesn’t agree with you, where you have been referred to as a bully. On another site, you have been referred to as a ‘bigot.’ You’re like an atheist Shirley Phelps-Roper. How easy it is for you to select online strangers from behind your keyboard.
Shocking! I must have mocked and attacked this atheistrev person, although I don’t recall and don’t know who they are. My victims are so numerous I can’t keep track of them!
I have made contact with all the websites which have exposed you for the despicable person you are, sending them this very message, and inviting them for comment, which of course you are free to immaturely post on your website in your usual pathetic manner. However, if you tweak it, as you’ve done so before, you will only be exposing yourself for the dishonest person you are.
All the websites? I don’t believe you. They are like the gnats flitting above the dungpiles on the prairie, too numerous to be counted. Do not underestimate my perfidy, I’ve been cultivating it for years.
I would never “tweak” one of her emails. Every detail is just too amusing. The last time I responded, I included her precise words as a screen capture to make sure no nuance was lost.
This email to you will be aired on the show. And, this is what happens when a bully’s weak victim grows wings of steel, and gets her own radio show. Bullies never win, even if it takes years later for justice to be served. For every anti bullying campaign, media event, or organisation, someone like you is responsible.
Soar high on those wings of steel, Ms Rufini! Don’t care.
Now I have to go add another email filter.
Hey, should we start the “Flying Monkey Club”?
“When I politely asked you, you cowardly ran away from facing up to me, hiding behind your website, insisting that I had an ‘obsession’ with you – one of the major traits of NPD; provoking, followed by victim blaming.”
IIRC, one of the other major traits of NPD is projection…
The Legend of PZ Myers. . .
I could picture PZ as a revisionist Western hero, a Bizarro Judge Roy Bean dispensing progressive justice on the frontier and vigorously enforcing the law against white men who murder Chinese laborers. . .
Batfink is that you?
Pretty sure Dawkin’s doesn’t give a damn what any of us say anyway. He’s got way bigger fish to fry.
He willingly and with malice aforethought IGNORED HER! He even went so far as to FORGET WHO SHE IS! How abusive can you get?
Time for a theme song…
from their webpage, the format didn’t copy cleanly but it doesn’t matter much:
~ Meet Some of the ArtistFirst Radio Network Family ~
UFO / Alien Life / Mysteries / Paranormal
Michael in Maui & Zman
R. Wayne Steiger
Kevin Estrella
Dr. Marlee Dolittle
Dr. Bruce & Lucinda Laughing Eagle
Alien Life/UFO
Visionary & Futurist
Musician/Contactee Clairvoyant & Psychic
Paranormal Professor & Medium
Project Urantia
The Steiger Perspective
Pyramids On Mars Cosmic Carousel
Timeless Esoterica
Tuesdays 9pm
And she’s on Sundays
SUNDAY
10A Pastor Freddie Cortes Show
12P Hi-Noon Music Special
1P The Soul Of The Everyman
3P Debra Rufini Show
5P Sports Injury Forum
6P NHSCA
12A Riley Martin Show
She doesn’t seem well to me. Continuing to obsess about something that didn’t even happen years ago is not the act of a healthy person. Perhaps it would be best to continue to ignore her.
PZ, I once accidentally at work made my e-mail rules so strict that all incoming emails were sent to the delete file. Our IT head thought it as overkill but liked the concept…
“A few years ago, you had an infatuation with attacking me. To this day, I have no idea what this was about, or even what provoked you.”
Ah, I get it. This starts with gaslighting. Interesting that she would then follow up with accusations of NPD. So, projection too.
/flying monkey wave
Triggered, snowflake.emoji, youmad.trollface, etc sending vaguely her way
I just skimmed the OP.
That is an understatement.
She seemed to be about as fruit bat crazy as you can get without being locked up.
I’m assuming here that she in fact, is not in a secure care facility somewhere.
I do also hope that she had a minder to help her with the daily tasks of living, such as crossing the street.
One of the tipoffs is the verbose, rambling, repetitive rants she directs at PZ Myers.
She really could have just summed it up as, “I hate PZ Myers for ignoring me for 12 years.” and saved a huge amount of electrons, photons, brain cells, and people’s time.
I’ve dealt with people like this before.
I ended up threatening to get a restraining order and blocking their email address.
If you think they are crazy and possibly dangerous towards you, then chances are that is exactly the case.
I see a possible future for her in the Trump administration.
As a student of yours from 2003-2007, her assessment of you as some cowardly bully is total bullshit. In fact, I was quite impressed with your courses and teaching. However, I do want to be considered as one of your flying monkeys – I could finally sit at the cool table.
I have a drone. If I paint it can it pass for a monkey?
You know what she fantasizes about, don’t you?
It seems obvious.
You ḱnow, I really think that at least some of what she says about PZ could be potentially actionable under UK defamation law.
Granted, I am very confident that PZ has no interest in launching a lawsuit against her. And she probably has a reasonable defense, in that what she sent was a private e-mail rather than a publication for public consumption. It was PZ who made it public on his blog, not her.
But it occurs to me that if she’s this sloppy/dishonest in her e-mails, she might be this sloppy/dishonest on her show. And while PZ almost certainly won’t care, she might well utter defamatory remarks about him on that show. It’s also possible that she might utter defamatory remarks on her public radio broadcast about people who might well care about it, and who live in the UK, and are actually litigious.
Just some thoughts.
Hi Ms Rufini, if you read this! Do you have good legal counsel?
Who is this mysterious Dawkin, and (an even deeper mystery), who is their unspecified associate who has bigger fish to fry? Their local fish-and-chip seller, perhaps?
Between her weird obsession, the wacky DARVO attempt, and just the way she words things… something ain’t right there. She reminds me of my Evil Ex, and not in a good way.
Imagine holding a one sided grudge for 12 whole years. Also, she has a show on terrestrial radio? Their standards must have really slipped over the years.
Her show’s webpage: https://www.artistfirst.com/debrarufini.htm
Hm. Her shows’ topics include gaslighting, bullies/bullying/abuse, narcissism, and, occasionally, God.
Inadvertent honesty?
Nerd…@11, One of the best managers I ever had would every now and then simply delete their entire (unread) e-mail. As they explained: “If it’s important, I’ll hear it again”. Whilst this may (perhaps) sound rude or inconsiderate nowadays, this was in the pre-WWW (loosely speaking, pre-Internet) days, when e-mail was delivered between sites by UUCP and hence a bit slow & (perceived as) unreliable. Hence, for anything that seemed important, whilst there could indeed be e-mail involved, there was typically also a ‘phone call or meeting or whatever. (Plus, anyone sensible kept copies of all critical e-mail sent, etc.) Hence, they had a rather practical point.
Owlmirror: suing for defamation is a good way to spend a lot of money and get nothing in return other than the satisfaction of having caused the other party to spend a lot of money as well. I doubt PZ is interested in that game.
Marcus@18
A drone in a monkey suit! That is definitely something that needs to be done, because it seems that no one has yet. Can’t imagine why…
I see she included the classic Darwin deathbed “come to Jesus” moment.
Just been on her faceache page ,turns out Richard Dawkins proves design ,and Stephen Fry proves god exists ,i bet that would come as a shock to the pair of them .
Also, ken ham beat Nye the science guy in a debate ,oh the horror.
dstatton @28: I much prefer Oscar Wilde’s deathbed “either that wallpaper goes or I go” moment.
I forgot to listen, did she play Freebird?
Can I say that I don’t find this as harmless as PZ? Like, she may not be well, or she may be propagandistic, and obviously she has a tiny platform, but I find this kind of perspective actually quite scary. It trivializes actual bullying, gaslighting and abuse. She may or may not be projecting or being disingenuous, but this kind of approach is increasingly easy to do. I suppose it is inevitable that the kind of groups who never cared about bullying in reality would end up using the rhetoric around it as a means of discrediting critics and muddying the water (The Card Says Moops).
Is this going to be the meet cute between her and that obsessive crank I won’t name who is the only person who still uses that hashtag I won’t list (she’ll have to do the work)?
I think there should be a theme song (sung to the Monkey’s theme…of course):
Here we come
Flyin’ down the street,
We get the funniest emails from
Every kook you’ll meet
Hey, hey, flying monkeys,
And people say we monkey around
But we’re too busy debunking
To put anybody down