He couldn’t even stammer out “states rights”?


It’s always nice to see a racist stunned into silence.

The dope with his jaw dropped is Andy Hallinan, a guy whose sole claim to fame is that he owns a gun shop where he publicly announced his refusal to sell guns to all Muslims, and sells targets with photos of Democrats. Now he has another stupid thing added to his reputation!

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  1. says

    Damn, I could give a better defense than that and I’m not even American.

    Here’s a link to the Texas declaration of causes, which makes it very clear that the single most dominant point was in fact slavery. They weren’t exactly coy about it.

  2. says

    The irony is that the Confederate Constitution can easily be downloaded on the internet. It is nearly identical to the US Constitution except in a few specific examples.
    One was that states no longer had the right to end slavery,. Ie., states had less rights.
    Another was that when you look at the power of states over the federal government, the federal government’s power was enhanced in the confederacy. Thus tyranny was more likely in the confederacy. And this kills any argument about the war being about states rights.
    And the third was more power was placed in the Executive branch than in the US. Thus, Jefferson Davis had more power in the Confederacy than Lincoln did in the USA. Again, tyranny.

    This stuff is out there. Easily downloadable.

  3. marinerachel says

    That was delightful.

    I mean, no shit there were other things the north and south disagreed on, duh, but slavery was a huge central one that the south was in favour of. If you can’t see how that permanently ties the Confederate flag to treating black people as sub-human, you’re pretty dumb.

  4. Usernames! 🦑 says

    As stated earlier, the Confederate Constitution and the various States’ Declaration of Secession (South Carolina’s gets my vote for most racist) list two reasons:

    1) Preserving slavery
    2) Reducing states’ rights (so states can’t limit slavery within their own borders)

    The battle flag represents a group that attacked America and tried to break it up. Might as well fly the ISIS flag alongside it.

  5. doubtthat says

    Mississippi’s is the most quotable:

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery – the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

    http://www.civil-war.net/pages/mississippi_declaration.asp

    That’s the second paragraph. They get right to it.

  6. a_ray_in_dilbert_space says

    The South had many opportunities to demonstrate that their fight was about more than slavery. Indeed, their inability to do so was one of the things that kept England and France and even Canada on the sidelines. Patrick Cleburne–actually one of the South’s better generals–actually proposed giving slaves their freedom if they would fight for the Confederacy when the South was starting to feel the strain of maintaining the ranks. His fellow generals never forgave him, and it was one of the reasons he never achieved corps command, well, that and a Union bullet to the gut..

  7. What a Maroon, living up to the 'nym says

    So I went and looked at the Confederate Constitution, and I discovered that they were also fighting for prohibiting internal improvements.

    Yep, they fought the war against interstates (and yes, that’s an anachronism). I’m sure all the confederate flag wavers honor this by only driving on dirt roads.

  8. Mark says

    It’s like placing insurmountable objects in front of a crawling baby. The baby sits agog at the size of the sofa-cushion wall that you’ve constructed… for his own safety.

  9. zetopan says

    “If you can’t see how that permanently ties the Confederate flag to treating black people as sub-human, you’re pretty dumb.”

    I suspect that stupidity is only part of the actual formula: arrogance + willful Ignorance + stupidity.

  10. says

    I very recently learned about Robert Smalls and his story helped me realize something that for some reason didn’t occur to me before…

    The Confederacy was never going to win. When your very reason for being in centered on keeping an entire people enslaved, you are going to have a LOT people among you with very personal reason to see you lose. The South was providing the Union’s spies and saboteurs for them.

  11. unclefrogy says

    @5

    The battle flag represents a group that attacked America and tried to break it up. Might as well fly the ISIS flag alongside it.

    i have wanted to say the same thing many times it is aa mystery
    uncle frogy

  12. Callinectes says

    It’s bad enough that the Confederate flag represents pro-slavery, pro-tyranny traitors, but it also represents the losers. The losers! It’s the only instance I know of outside of sport of Americans in any significant number actively celebrating the losers. It’s so unlike the America I know.

  13. robro says

    Alexander Stephens, VP of the CSA, so-called “Cornerstone” speech of of March 21, 1861…days before the first shots. It’s called the “Cornerstone” speech because he said in off-the-cuff remarks about the new CSA constitution:

    …its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

    Incidentally, I grew up in the South, and I never heard of this speech until a couple of years ago.

    And for a rationale of why slavery was important enough to fight a war over, check out Edward E. Baptist, The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism. He asserts that in the first half of the 19th century, cotton was the largest commodity product in the world. The exploitation of slave labor was at the heart of economic expansion in the US. Here’s an interview with him about the book and its proposition.

  14. unclefrogy says

    not to change the subject at all but I heard on a documentary not sure if the subject was whaling or rail roads but the factoid that surprised me was the primary investment in the transcontinental railroad was said to be primarily from the profits from the whaling industry and whale oil. At the heart of American industry and economic power seems to be exploitation of various kinds.
    uncle frogy

  15. Matrim says

    Setting aside the Confederate Constitution limiting states’ rights more than the US Constitution, there also the fact that the Southern States, pre-secession, were happy to limit states’ right when it came to other states not wanting to capture their fugitive slaves or allow people to be enslaved up north.

  16. Allison says

    The dope with his jaw dropped is Andy Hallinan

    Sorry, I don’t see who that is. All I see in any of the photos are grim-faced men — some in obviously white supremacist outfits, and the rest in police uniforms.

    And, yeah, even my brother and sister-in-law (who now live in Georgia) insist that the war wasn’t about slavery. And they insist it in a way that makes it clear that their minds are made up, don’t bother them with evidence. I suppose you have to believe that lie not to feel like an alien in white Southern society. (I’m so glad I got out of the South.)

  17. ajbjasus says

    uncle frogy #16

    I remember on a trip to Mystic seaport when I hauled myself across the Atlantic many years ago, I read that if you built a whaling ship – the equivalent of many millions of dollars today – the first voyage paid for the ship. Subsequent voyages were almost all profit. Whale oils were the only lubricants available in the early days of the industrial revolution, and the scale of the slaughter was astonishing, and heartbreaking. Going out on the Stellwagon Bank the next day to see humpbacks breaching was a most emotional experience.

  18. a_ray_in_dilbert_space says

    Robert Baden: “10 percent of the Union Army was black soldiers.”

    Hell, even 4% of the continental army under George Washington were black Americans–and because roughly half of these served through the entire 8-year war, they were among the most reliable and battle hardened soldiers the Americans had. As a result of this experience, Washington never could completely buy into the white supremacist views of his fellow Southerners (including Jefferson). It was one of the factors that made his subsequent reliance on slave labor so uncomfortable. He understood, at least at some level, the hypocrisy or his position and that his attitudes on slavery constituted one of the most sordid aspects of his character–a character whose reputation he guarded jealously.

    Interesting coincidence–if you total up all the treasure spent on the Civil War, it comes pretty close to the amount of money it would have cost to buy the freedom of every slave in the US in 1860. And the war came.

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