It’s true. While I was in Guelph, a sneaky-looking fellow handed me a disc, and told me it was just for me — and that it included the lie-correcting subtitles.
I appreciate it. I still haven’t bothered to watch it, but someday, maybe while I’m dying of some gruesome disease, I’ll want some horrible external pain to distract me, and then I’ll play it. Or maybe I’ll show it as a test of machismo — how long can I bear the stupidity before growling and mauling the machine into silence?
Seems like correcting the lies would either cover the whole screen, or be too tiny to read.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
If you can get through that, it’s safe to assume you also use gun powder to cauterize bullet wounds. All tough…
Reminds me of this Cectic strip: http://cectic.com/148.html
And, from everything I’ve heard about Expelled, I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
WOW, that trailer is cool, I could definitely sit through that version of EXPELLED.
From the Expelled movie: So when we find information in the DNA molecule the most likely explanation is that it too had an intelligent source.
They call their magic fairy an intelligent source.
ive tried to watch it. thus far i’ve made it through about 30 minutes total. i then needed a shower and to watch dawkin’s ted video.
its really really bad. i always think to myself “you can’t learn anything from those with whom you agree.”
but expelled is just ridiculous. my IQ has dropped by at least 10 points. :/
SO TOTALLY OFF TOPIC BUT…
Ever since you blogged about Atheist’s needing to be seen (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/07/come_out.php) , I’ve been letting it percolate in my head and for a while now, I’ve come to the conclusion that I agree. I hadn’t thought about it your way before, but you’re right. If we do nothing, we’re passing as christians or muslims just to be left alone. Ok, so I agreed, BUT any proclamation had to be on MY terms. I still do not agree with the Dawkin’s A because I don’t feel it’s a sin to be an Atheist. The A is too much like agreeing with crazy people that I’m doing something wrong and should be marked for it.
I just wanted to mention that I bought my first Atheist shirt and will be wearing it next time I go out.
http://www.torsopants.com/not-funny-shirts/atheist
I often laughed while watching Expelled because of the pretentiousness of it. (It’s a welcome distraction for realizing how serious this idiots are.) Whatever you do, though, do not make a drinking game of taking a chug every time you hear a lie. You will die of alcohol poisoning. Probably before you’ve gotten even halfway through it.
Relevant to this post:
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
re: #9
also http://www.technospot.net/blogs/ultimate-utorrent-tweaks/
I didn’t think you drank in the first place, Zeno?
Pheww. I thought you meant you’d bought the right to the whole shebang with your pension fund. Not a good idea.
Though … presumably it’s worth so little by now that you could buy them with the money Seed paid you just for the posts about Excreted.
SORCERER IN CHIEF????
I don’t know how you can support Obama given:
Obama believes in superstitious woo-woo — and in a BIG way!! He & his staff are using “magic charms” to win the election!!!! And according to the article (link below) Obama does not make his superstitiousness a secret and his recent behavior is not unusual — his & his teams magic charms currently consists of:
– whiskers (going unshaven),
– a pink quartz crystal from an anonymous donor radiating an aura,
– a lucky poker chip (Obama’s charm),
– an eagle pin (Obama’s charm),
– a Monkey King statute (Obama’s charm),
– some pre-election basketball play (Obama’s ritual), and
– blue jeans & boots (charms which are, presumably, “better” than J. Carville’s dirty underwear [worn in B. Clinton’s campaign]as Obama’s staff are bathing [so they claim]).
Presumably he’ll win…which makes one wonder if/what soothsayers will gain Whitehouse employ?
This is a LOT worse than Ronald Reagan’s wife’s use of an astrologer!!
Full article below:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081103/pl_politico/15194;_ylt=AkLMDVQVq5V4j2Eg4fuavDrCw5R4
The worst they could claim for McCain was that he used the same hotel rooms–which is more of a habit than superstition.
Actually, I always thought these were cheap shots–and there’s nothing very unusual about a military man acting superstitiously. When things do seem down to “luck,” one tends to do “whatever works”.
I didn’t put this in to help either Obama or McCain, but primarily to put Kevin’s bit–and this particular shot at McCain–into perspective.
On the whole, I’d rather not see superstition in a candidate and staff, but it happens. Not a big deal, usually.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
When will the need to debate Evolution and Global Warming finally end? These two subjects are hardly ever discussed in the rest of the Western World.
When will the US finally live up to it’s secular origins?
I lived in Portugal for over 20 years, a country with over 90% Catholics, yet we are far more secular than the US. As an example, our previous President, Jorge Sampaio, was a confessed atheist of Jewish background. That didn’t stop him from being elected. Many people here in Canada are completely surprised when I tell them that.
None of that matters, because:
Obama and Biden don’t want to force the rest of the country to eat their lucky charms.
Seriously, I’d watch it just for the humor in the subtitles.
I like Lucky Charms. Even the cereal pieces are coated with marshmallow!
… it’s an open secret, however, that there are many in the McCain campaign headquarters who’d very much like to get hold of that pocket of trash and hide it, prior to Tuesday’s vote.
“They’re all after his lucky charms,” said an unnamed source.
/Ducks and runs…
When we get rid of the idea that ignorance is a valid worldview.
Hehe. Kevin has got to be kidding! Do you really think that’s what we’re going to worry about?
Hey, it’s like in baseball, you never mess with a streak.
Not sure if I could sit through Expelled – that much claptrap would fry my brain – but that said, on Wednesday night, in response to a challenge by a fellow atheist, I’m going to spend the whole evening (UK time, that is) watching the Religious channels, and I’m going to blog the whole thing live !
More details on my blog at http://rogrealm.blogspot.com/2008/11/coming-soon-im-watching-god.html
Wish me luck !!
Rog
Better you than me.
That’s as close as I can get…
You’re kidding right?
I know plenty of people that carry around lucky charms and playing a game of basketball, something Mr. Obama has always done, isn’t that strange. I’m as atheist / anti-superstition as the next guy but I still keep a piton in my car that failed on me in Zion National Park on a three day climb and almost caused my death. Not sure why but I do. It’s surely some mild form of superstition I don’t want to admit to, but it doesn’t mean I’m some raving lunatic.
Yes it’s a little odd but we already know he’s a man of Faith so this seems beyond minor to me.
Rented it over the weekend. In fact, for some extra masochism, I made it a double feature with “Michael Moore Hates America.” I wouldn’t recommend anyone watch Expelled unless they were into the study of propaganda–as I am. The quick cutaways to Nazi imagery were the hardest to watch, but told me much abhout their thought process.
BTW, MMHA, wasn’t that bad. I’d give it a 7 out of 10.
If I were you, and had the time, I’d have a late night showing and invite my students.
Teaching the controversy, and all that jazz.
After I downloaded Expelled to my big external drive, I started getting some error messages (non-virus) and funny behavior (now fixed). It appears my HD didn’t like the movie either.
#17 AJ Milne wrote:
I confess. I LOL’d.
“They’re always after me lucky charms!”
No, its not. Carrying around lucky charms and playing basketball has no adverse consequences. While some might view it as silly, it does no harm. Consulting an astrologer and actually making decisions based on the positions of planets and fictional ideas about the future, rather than using reality and logic, can lead to bad decisions. So while I’m not thrilled to hear about Obama’s superstitions, I cannot accept the idea that these are worse than relying on astrology.
As for Expelled, I can’t bring myself to watch it. I may be a graduate student, but even I’m not that masochistic.
I tried to watch that piece of filth but I couldn’t make it half way through it. If anyone needs me I’ll be in the Angry Dome.
The problem with the lie-correcting subtitles is you have a tendency to just read them and ignore everything else.
…wait, did I say “problem”? I meant “other good thing”.
I’ve seen Expelled. (It was a group exercise in masochism by C-U Freethinkers.) It’s more boring than it is painful. If you didn’t know what ID is, you still wouldn’t after the film; they neglect to explain it. The nazi and commie scenes are so obviously over the top they are completely ineffective. It moves very slowly; you could cut 1/2 an hour out of it easily without altering the message. The music is pretentious and lame. Stein likes to see himself on camera a lot- he thinks he can carry the whole movie with his mere presence.
On the bright side, Dan Barker will be in Champaign-Urbana Thursday night for a lecture- much more promising.
Did little Bennie Stein get the nomination for the Humanist Mauvais Foi Award he so richly deserved?
do it as a charity event PZ. offer seats somewhere private (so you dont get caught by copyright laws) for a donation to a good charity, and get people to pledge by the minute for how long they can last. then have a Q&A/laff-in afterwards. with cocktails.
The argument of his playing basketball is quite silly. Whether he’s superstitious about it or not who knows, but it’s probably a very effective stress reliever in either case.
In general though, I don’t care if someone has little personal good luck charms or rituals. It’s silly but as long as they don’t effect someone’s performance of their job they don’t matter. That by the way is the difference between carrying a lucky charm and using an astrologer to make decisions. One is silly but benign, the other potentially harmful if you follow the wrong horoscope.
I’ve noticed funny thing. In the this fragment of Expelled that PZ had linked Stein is interviewing a guy named Maciej Giertych. He is well known in Poland (and in Europe as he is a member of EU parliament) for his antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciej_Giertych). Well… it seems that it was very hard for Stein to find supporters of his ideas, as he lied to PZ and interviewed the guy who claims that Jews “are biolgically different”.
I don’t have to add that Stein is Jewish himself.
Hi, PZed! It was nice to meet you and Skatje on Friday. I ended up walking home and sleeping in so I missed the Saturday meeting in Guelph. Maybe next time.
On topic, sort of: you might have to take the dreaded movie in small doses. When Chariots of the Gods came out, it was such a steaming pile of stupid that my husband and I read alternate chapters and reported them to each other. Neither of us could stand more than a chapter at a time and cries of “WHAT!!??? That doesn’t make sense!” could be heard from whoever was reading.
I have done a lie-correcting subtitling of Kent Hovind’s “Age Of The Earth” on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/cms13ca
I have only done the first half though.
As much as I want PZ to review Expelled, I can understand him not wanting to torture himself. I watched expelled at a bible study thing that some of us godless heathens crashed, and all I can say is, THE STUPID! IT BURNS!!!
I can understand why Expelled would have an interview with Giertych. He has degrees in forestry from Oxford and a PhD in tree physiology from the University of Toronto. He’s a professor of forest genetics at a Polish university. So his academic biological credentials are good. A genuine PhD in a field of biology, a genuine professor at a genuine accredited university, and a creationist. Stein & Co hit the trifecta with Giertych.
It is interesting that a number of people here have no problem with a person acting, to a limited degree, & having a “lucky charm” (personally I couldn’t care less, contrary to the erroneous conclusions some above reached simply because I posted a news item),
but,
these same people cannot accept that some people subscribe to a belief in creationism/ID.
That begs the question, if pseudo-science is wrong–and one knows it–how can one endorse it? and, at what point does that become excessive?
I’ve managed a number of high-tech projects over the past few decades and have yet to find ANY instance in which a belief in Creationism/ID, held or rejected, made any difference in anything (that is, outside the beliver’s/douber’s mind). EVER. I know people in other non-science professions having made the same observation — when it comes to pushing known science forward it simply doesn’t matter & doesn’t manifest as an issue.
In those few “oddball” instances where someone’s religious beliefs are a disruptive issue in the workplace, there was some underlying psychological issue (with related disruptive behaviors) readily apparent with religion just as clearly serving as some sort of “crutch” or “lever” (the former to help the person, the latter to exert some form of dominance over another/others).
In short, Creationism/ID makes for nice academic discussion, but outside of acedemia is at worst an occasional nuisance that cannot be separated from the person’s other troubling issues.
Which leads to an observation by H.L. Menchen (September 12, 1880 – January 29, 1956), an American journalist, & magazine editor regarding skeptics & their assault on what he called anti-evolutionists. The observations he made & published in the 1920s apply just as well today (one of which included the observation that, then, it was still illegal in two states to teach that the Earth was round and the sun rose in the East — indicating that, for all the difficulties perceived with Creationism & ID, there’s been a LOT of progress, if slow).
You might be interested in his perspective to see how much (if any) applies.
His comments on Skeptics were published in one of the following (sorry I lost the link): Prejudices: Third Series, Alfred A. Knopf, New York (1922), pp. 157-160.), or, “On Human Progress” by H. L. Mencken (from the Chicago Tribune, April 17, 1927).
It’s interesting that a number of people here don’t think falling off a 6 inch curb is harmful but that falling off a 100 foot building is.
It’s a matter of degree. Yes, it does make a difference.
Umm, I think everyone here accepts that some people subscribe to a belief in creationism. We certainly find it stupid, but I have yet to hear anyone argue that those people don’t exist.
Additionally, I don’t think many people who carry lucky charms or what have you attempt to scientifically support the idea that their particular tchotchke is actually lucky. Certainly I’ve never heard anyone do so. Nor do people who carry lucky charms push for the theory of lucky charms to be taught in public school.
Indeed, why would anybody endorse it?
I would oppose either McCain’s or Obama’s endorsement of superstition, should it ever occur.
I’d like to see superstition (very temporarily) taught in some school, just to watch the hypocrisy of IDiots/creationists falling all over themselves to denounce the mixing of state and religion. You know, the mixing of state and the wrong religion.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Wait, wut, at #42 and still the joke is available?
PZ doesn’t merely own Expelled, he totally PWNZ0RZ it!!!11!
I’m a little curious about this Monkey King statute; as I can’t really see the Monkey King ever being big on legislation.
Perhaps an official declaration about how awesome he is.
Still, nice to know Obama has pretty good taste in symbolic woo, Sūn Wùkōng rocks.
Was the late seventies TV version of Monkey/Journey to the West ever shown in the States?
Unless you work in biology. Or geology. Or astrophysics. Or neuroscience. Or archeology. Or paleontology.
Yeah, no impact there.
Yes, and I wonder how much difference believing or disbelieving quantum mechanics makes to “people in other non-science professions.” Likewise with the theory of relativity, or continental drift.
You could probably find a few in non-science professions that do have to be concerned about these–notably electrical engineers dealing with tiny transistors, and NASA engineers.
Quite arguably, evolutionary theory is really more important than these to more non-scientists, namely to physicians. While I’d never deny that a creationist can be a competent doctor, at the least such a one would need to accept “microevolution,” which really is not a separate issue from evolution of life since abiogenesis (during, maybe, depending on where you draw the line), and is a meaningless heuristic device without the “general theory of evolution.”
What is more, I’ve known too many doctors who actually think that God made humans perfect, the “diet in Eden” is the perfect diet (when in fact we evolved to eat some meat, at least), and anything wrong with the human body is due to “degeneration.” All of that is BS, which would be rectified to a significant degree by recognizing how humans truly arose.
So, duh, non-scientists can actually proceed without dealing with scientific theories in most cases, medical doctors would certainly be better informed about problems and their causes if they understood that, and how, we evolved.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
I couldn’t even watch all of that preview WITH the subtitles.
My brain is paining.
That might be a good idea tbh
It’s a darn good thing they kicked you out of the theater showing.
How retentive of you to remember. Yes, you’re right, but being a nondrinker doesn’t prevent me from offering solicitous advice to drinkers. It’s like a public service. I can also provide marital counseling and advice on child-rearing.
And none of my advice is sullied by experience.
I’m surprised that nobody has created a modified or custom cover for that DVD, to go with the subtitles.
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, So We Sneaked It In.
Come on PZ, courage of your convictions and all that. Take one for the team – if you watch it, I won’t have to!
Seriously, I’d love to see you rip into it. I can almost hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth…
@Glen Davidson (#43):
It’s already happened at least once.
Hey PZ? I was wondering if you’d be keen to the idea of reviewing or live-blogging an Expelled viewing if we maybe donated a certain total to a charity of your choosing?
It would be similar to what Scalzi did to get him to visit the Temple of the Burning Stupid (aka The Creation Museum).
Or, would that still be asking too much? I mean, you’re going to suffer, but someone some good could come of it.
I don’t think it is fair of you to critique a film, you haven’t even seen. There are both negative and positive reviews of “Expelled”; it depends on who you talk to. Many people (myself included) would be interested in hearing your thoughts after you saw “Expelled”.
I am also curious about what is holding you back from watching “Expelled”? You were planning to see it at the pre-release screening.
The information on Expelled is out there. It is a horribly done PR piece by the creationists.
Bad science, bad history, with a giant heaping shovel full of lies by Stein et al.
But having said that, I to would like to see PZ rip it a new one.
Not fair?
My family and friends saw it, and have given me a thorough breakdown of its content.
I’ve read the reviews.
I’ve seen excerpts.
I was in it.
I’ve got a pretty darned good idea of exactly what the movie is like.
Zeno at #8 made a good point about the Expelled drinking game I proposed in the other thread; it’s going to have to be weighted somehow – one shot for every ten lies maybe? Otherwise it’ll be like the Withnail & I drinking game I’ve heard of.
I’d do it myself but I don’t have the science-fu to pick up on all the lies.
I watched it this weekend . . . sort of. I fell asleep during both attempts, and it was just bad and poor and not even worthy of honest critique. Furthermore, he made Michael Moore seem like an honest and accurate documentarian.
I, too, downloaded Expelled, (Come get me, Stein! I have a slide rule and I’m not afraid to use it!) and I have yet to make it past the opening “Berlin Wall” newsreel-esque credits.
I’ll try again. I will NOT be defeated by this. If I can sit through MANOS: The Hands of Fate, and find bits that I could appreciate, then by Darwin’s Bones, I can sit through Expelled!
Well, I have to say, there was actually one good point in the four minutes of subtitles that I watched and it wasn’t even really relevant to the discussion. Do you guys just get off on agreeing with each other that theists are stupid. I happen to be a theist and I would be more than happy to have an IQ contest with any of you. Mine happens to be on par with Stephen Hawking. I have two degrees from accredited colleges and for a long time I didn’t believe in a traditional concept of God.
This was largely due to indoctrination during my early schooling. That is what it is and you all appear to have fallen into the trap of the modern paradigm. I haven’t heard a single tidbit of critical thinking from a single atheist. I also haven’t heard of much evidence in support of macro-evolution.
I started to doubt modern scientific paradigms in general when I started to delve into the actual evidence available and determined that many of the interpretations of said evidence were giant leaps of faith and didn’t best explain the evidence.
One of these was the credibility of carbon dating (and don’t worry, I’m not about to spout off Hovindesque rationals about sea snails dating incorrectly). I found that carbon dating and potassium argon dating are based on the levels of chemicals found in materials that were available at the time of either the living organisms death and/or the materials birth. There are soo vast assumptions made with either that they are practically useless. We don’t have an accurate way of knowing through empirical evidence or logical reasoning how much carbon 14,(with the exception of materials that the date is known and have been measured), was in the atmosphere even two hundred years ago, let alone ten thousand.
We’re making static amounts of elements and chemicals that we have no way of knowing are static and in effect create a house of cards by assuming that they are static.
Then I looked into the atomic clock experiments and looked at the connotations of Einstein’s theories of relativity.
The atomic clock experiments don’t prove time dilation at ALL. They only prove that a strong source of gravity affects the vibration rate of an atom. You can’t assume time dilation, especially when considering that when we refer to time, we are referring to many different things depending on the context. Don’t even get me started on the distances to stars, inverse square law, the dual properties of light, etc… I mean did it ever occur to anyone that we don’t need to create the medium of ether for electromagnetic waves when we already have space/time? What’s so difficult about saying that sources of light produce particles and waves on the medium of space/time that affect the way the particles that are emitted by light source act? I mean, that would explain a lot of the anomalies that are seen. I’m not a physicist, so maybe one of you can point out with empirical evidence or sound reasoning how that couldn’t be the case? you know, something besides “they say that light is both a particle and a wave, so there” ?
Time as most people consider it is measured by the rotation of the earth on its axis and the revolution of the earth around the sun, but TIME is experiential and relative as Einstein so brilliantly pointed out, but just like the interpretation of vibratory frequencies being interpreted differently by different people but still being experienced as physical reality (quantum physics), Time HAS a finite limit to it. In other words, there is such a thing as absolute time.
Now think about this, I mean really think about it critically as atheists are often want to accuse theists of failing to do. If time and space are inextricably mixed and Einstein’s theories of relativity are true and the Big Bang theory is correct, then wouldn’t time (absolute time) speed up as the universe expands? I mean, if there was absolutely nothing but a pinprick of everything (space/time/matter/energy), then as big bang occurs and the universe expands, space stretches and so does time. Maybe the people who related Genesis in ancient times were having an epiphany about the creation of the universe and understood that absolute relative time, would’ve meant that the earth and universe WAS created in six days relative to what a day was(relative time for the earth to rotate) to the person relating the story.
Do I believe that the BIBLE is the unadulterated truth set forward by the Creator of totality for man to live by? NO. I do believe however that it was an interpretation of a communion with the consciousness of totality though, much like all of the people who have made the greatest leaps in logic that went beyond the paradigms of the times, did to make the greatest discoveries in our history.
What is God? I would be a fool to think that it’s a guy in white flowing robes sitting on a cloud with a bunch of androgynous freaks with halos playing harps. Hell most bible thumpers aren’t even aware that angels are never referred to as having wings and always appear as men and are only messengers of God. What I think that God is, is the conglomeration of Totality. The consciousness of a conglomerated consciousness.
I think that time has not always existed and that we are not completely trapped by time and that a portion of each of us, the frequency of the energy produced by our brains exists throughout the universe and is not hampered by time as this portion of our consciousness is.
The concept of there having been a time when nothing existed becomes a moot point that is not easily grasped by our limited intellect, but never the less the concept is attainable if striven for. I know that most of you will dismiss what I have said out of hand, but I don’t think that any of you can say that I do not think critically and if you think that there is not a bias within the modern scientific paradigm toward the kind of thinking that I have related here, then you are hopelessly trapped in todays paradigms and you will one day have to face the prospect that you were the modern equivalent of the flat earthers and geocentrics of the past. Hell, the majority of you probably think that it is a good thing for that bias to exist and that is sad, because it will prevent the truly brilliant thinkers that aren’t hampered by the paradigms of the time to easily bring about needed change.
Think what the world might be like today if Nicola Tesla had been allowed to bring free energy to the world?
How many freethinkers have been limited in what they could discover and bring to the world by the type of thinking that the modern scientific paradigm and all of the paradigms of the past has contributed to.
I used to get angry at this fact, but now it just makes me sad.
Remember, the only historical scientific truth is that science is never currently accurate.
Sincerely,
Jaden
Beware teh Machine — it can hurt you back, remember Dick to the Dawk?
Sorry about the mistype of my own name. That was me just now.
Well Jaden, I have the same IQ as Thomas Jefferson, and I think you’re a loony.
To “Kevin” (who called himself “Ken” when he posted the same crap over on Bad Astronomy): Creationism is not harmless. In schools, it turns kids away from science. In churches, it props up literalist religion, and turns adults away from science. In politics, it props up right wing ideology, and thus kills the fucking world.
PZ, I think you protest too much.
Jaden Holmes @62:
From your post, it appears that you still don’t believe in a traditional concept of god. Where were those degrees from and in what fields? Obviously not science. You’re just another in a long line of addled brains thinking that without any real training in the relevant fields you can find gaping holes in our current understanding. If someone here is stuck in a worthless paradigm it would be you, furiously rationalizing post hoc to discredit the science that threatens your security blanket theism. This is evidenced by your proposed penis measuring IQ contest that serves nothing else but to bolster your own opinion that you’re so smart, you know more about everything than everyone else. My own IQ has been measured in the genius level, but whatever real genius I have is in knowing my own limitations and when to trust in those who have worked in fields I have not. This is the remarkable element of science that you seem to have completely missed.
Passed down from goat herder to goat herder by hearsay and folk tales and finally recorded many decades after the alleged events. Then edited many thousands of times, parts thrown out, re-added and thrown out again then translated in to many different languages and versions.
Yeah, seems real reliable.
And in light of the history of the bible[s], this sentence is worthless and only serves to add the appearance of legitimacy.
Those pretty videos of the cell’s inner workings? If the IDiots had had their way, NO ONE WOULD HAVE EVER FIGURED THAT STUFF OUT, since the ID explanation (magic: God did it) tells everyone not to bother finding out the truth. The nerve of these nit wits is breathtaking.
Magic explains nothing! (The basic problem with magic is: If magic is admitted, then ANY EFFECT can be equally well asserted to follow ANY CAUSE. All the rules of logic and evidence fail. Nothing can be rationally decided and no new data can be obtained. Magic is sterile for science and any other form of rational inquiry.) Please read the IDiots’ “Wedge Document.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy
Their explicit intent is to substitute magic for all forms of rational thought. Holy Hoppin’ Hank help us if they ever gain influence again.
For a good laugh, call Hank:
(Around our house, the meme “Hankish” has replaced “Religious” Pass on the meme!)
AND: I have to say: PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA, BABY!!!!!