Jonah unkindly mentions that California will spend three times as much operating its prisons than running the UC system. Doesn’t that reassure you so much about America’s priorities?
Pharyngula
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First question that springs to mind is: how much of that money is due to the drug war?
-jcr
Second question: How much money could be saved long-term by improving primary education?
Third question: How much more does it cost the state to put someone in prison than through college?
Fourth question: How many more times do people ask, “How are we going to pay for all this education?” than they ask, “How are we going to pay for all these prisons?”
However, for those involved in running the prison-industrial complex (and getting rich doing so) the questions would all go the other way. This is terrible, we’re still missing out on 33% of the possible available cash because people are getting educated. How much more can we make by torpedoing primary education a bit more than we already have? How much is the state devoting to putting kids through college, which is lost revenue for us? Quick, someone throw some more ethic minorities in jail. What else can we have declared illegal? War on Waffles. War on Sandals….
Here’s another one. Arecibo radio observatory is probably going to close. It needs $4 million more in budget to keep going for the next three years.
Arecibo:
* Is the only radio telescope large and sensitive enough to track asteroids (including possible Earth-grazers)
* Discovered the first extra-solar planetary system
* Discovered the first binary pulsar
* Discovered the first neutron star
* Discovered the correct rotation of Mercury
* Mapped the surface of Venus using radar imaging
* Hosts the SETI@Home receiver (which piggybacks on the main receiver so uses no telescope time)
* Is the only American observatory to have garnered a Nobel Prize in Physics
The war in Iraq costs $500,000 per minute. 8 minutes of Iraq war would fund Arecibo for 3 years.
In 2006, interest payments alone on the U.S. national debt was $406 billion. That’s enough for 100,000 Arecibos. The current U.S. national debt is $9.1 trillion.
Yet, no one in Washington seems to be able to find a paltry $4 million for Arecibo.
We really should try to look on the bright side, you know! These days when I drive down the length of our great state along Interstate 5 or Highway 99, I pass a number of cities which were once in contention for a future University of California campus. Merced won and the others were reduced to also-rans, but thanks to the glorious expansion of California’s prison program, these same cities can hope for major new prison facilities! And now we’re not talking about just one facility in one town, like UC Merced. No, there could be several new prisons needed to accommodate our incarceration growth industry.
Yeah, it makes you proud to be a Californian.
And that’s with an overcrowded prison system, where non-violent prisoners are being warehoused in gymnasiums in bunks three high in prisons that have almost double the number of inmates that they were designed for.
Check out the Daily Show episode from Oct 3, with special guest Ted Koppel.
http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/index.jhtml
Koppel is doing a special on the California prison system, and drops some state/national prison statistics in the midst of talking about it.
People LIKE paying for prisons.
In this country, we’d rather spend $5 million to incarcerate you than $5000 to help you.
California also enacted one of the first and harshest of the so-called “habitual offender” laws (perhaps better called “throw away the key after the third conviction”), albeit I believe it has been slightly modified since enactment to (supposedly) allow an alternative of drugs treatment in some (supposedly) appropriate cases. However, I’ve no idea to what extent this law has effected the prison or university populations, or what effect it has had on the rates of crime in general or on the rate of particular crimes.
A similar observation to Alan’s (#3) on the perpetual prison-industrial complex was made in 2002 (from Three Strikes and You’re Out. Human Rights, US-Style — As Americans shrug off criticism of Camp X-Ray, thousands of their countrymen suffer cruel but all-too-usual punishment):
Another site–I do not know how reliable this second site is?–claims:
That site goes on to claim California is essentially running a forced prison labour scheme, where the slaves (there’s no other appropriate word) have no sick leave or other benefits.
But keeping all the evil-doers behind bars ensures that the US has the lowest crime rate of the Western world.
In the UK, the BBC is paying “celebrities” 5 times as much (25K, though previously more for some of them) to vaguely learn to dance (and not then necessarily be able or willing to pass on anything they do learn) as the government is going to pay (5K) to non-science teachers (ie ones who probably weren’t fit to do science anyway) for them to learn how to pretend to teach science to children. That will let any creationist types who could never have obtained science qualifications honestly take jobs which let them corrupt further generations better than ever before.
What the government should have done was to pay the tuition fees for all science (and similarly good things such as maths) degrees while making only those taking media studies (and other similarly worthless subjects) pay for being a waste of space-time. That way they would have got real science teachers (and workers) instead of fake ones. They don’t want to do that of course because the main issues for them are having the pretence of education and equality while saving money and keeping the unemployment figures artificially low.
The extra money is because prisoners have to eat, grad students, not so much.
It doesn’t really say anything about America’s priorities. I spend a lot more keeping my 13 year old Honda running than I do on science books; ‘apples & oranges’, as they say.
It would be a lot cheaper to just shoot anyone convicted of a felony, but most people outside Texas don’t want to go that route.
Well, let’s be fair. California has more than one set of state colleges. In addition to the UC, we also have the CSU (California State Universities) that focus more on undergraduate education (these include the California Polytechnics). And there’re the community colleges, too.
I expect that if you looked at the budget for all of them, it would still be less than the prison budget, but choosing only one of three systems of post-secondary education in the state to compare to the prison budget skews the picture dishonestly.
That sounds logical, but I’ve read it isn’t the case. I don’t remember the source, unfortunately.
That sounds logical, but I’ve read it isn’t the case. I don’t remember the source, unfortunately.
I hope they are paying the prison wardens the same obscene salaries they pay the UC Chancellors.
It’s only fair.
Look at the bright side. At least all those prisoners have socialist health care, like the prisoners in Gitmo.
Don’t forget that by throwing all those “darkies and druggies” in jail, we’re also keeping them from voting! I’m sure ShrubCo and friends (Ahnold) consider that a major benefit….
That’s just how it goes. Society is very myopic. We don’t have a long-term view of things. Even when spending more money now would save even more money later, we don’t do it. Examples: better preventative medicine, better education, better criminal rehabilitation, etc.
How come the US has 10-25 times more prisoners (per capita) than the Nordic countries (and four times that of any democracy), but at the same time more murders and other incidences of violent crime? Is the average American aware of this? Does she care?
Currently in America close to 1 of every 100 adults is currently in prison. What does that say about American culture?