The one thing I do think needs to be pointed out is that most, if not all, of the people who criticized the shirt were done and ready to move on after he apologized. I didn’t see anyone actually rejecting the apology. It’s the people attacking us critics who insist on dragging it up again and again and again after we critics were ready to let it drop.
It should probably also be mentioned that people who saw that shirt and got upset did, obviously, care about the mission – why else would they have been watching closely enough to even notice?
Oh, and it’s not so much that stuff like this on the job makes women leave STEM (though there’s probably some of that, too), it’s that enough of that – especially coming from lecturers, not only other students – makes women switch subjects. And of course it’s not just shirts. Shirts are a symptom. It’s the mindset that doesn’t see shirts like this as a problem that’s the real problem. It’s lots of casual remarks and attitudes that can make things a lot harder for women. Stuff like remarks about studying for a Mr., for example. Hell, what am I talking about – lots of women have done a much better job of describing these problems.
I agree with the video but not the first comment. The apology was many days before November 22 which is the date of the last post on this website that was about the shirt itself and not the reaction to the reaction to the shirt. If you look at each blog on this web site you will find that each one which had a post on this issue has had new post or comments about the shirt after the apology made. There are even posts and comments about not why we should not accept the apology.
I’ve yet to see any critic of the shirt not accept the apology. The vast majority of the blog posts on here about the shirt post-apology are directed explicitly to the people “defending” Matt (who neither needs nor wants it). And in every single one of those posts, the authors make it clear that they accepted the apology.
On Twitter, the various women and other critics of the shirt (many of whom are astronomers or other scientists as well) also accepted the apology, and now only talk about it when they’re tagged by people who continue to complain that we criticized the shirt in the first place.
Bea, read those posts again. We would drop it if everyone else would drop it, too.
Also… Christina, just saw your new video about Marketing Feminism. You should post that here. I’d love to have a discussion on it. I agree with most of what you say, but would love to have a discussion about the biological aspects especially as part of my studies include Evolutionary Psychology.
I posted this on YouTube, as well:
The one thing I do think needs to be pointed out is that most, if not all, of the people who criticized the shirt were done and ready to move on after he apologized. I didn’t see anyone actually rejecting the apology. It’s the people attacking us critics who insist on dragging it up again and again and again after we critics were ready to let it drop.
It should probably also be mentioned that people who saw that shirt and got upset did, obviously, care about the mission – why else would they have been watching closely enough to even notice?
Oh, and it’s not so much that stuff like this on the job makes women leave STEM (though there’s probably some of that, too), it’s that enough of that – especially coming from lecturers, not only other students – makes women switch subjects. And of course it’s not just shirts. Shirts are a symptom. It’s the mindset that doesn’t see shirts like this as a problem that’s the real problem. It’s lots of casual remarks and attitudes that can make things a lot harder for women. Stuff like remarks about studying for a Mr., for example. Hell, what am I talking about – lots of women have done a much better job of describing these problems.
I agree with the video but not the first comment. The apology was many days before November 22 which is the date of the last post on this website that was about the shirt itself and not the reaction to the reaction to the shirt. If you look at each blog on this web site you will find that each one which had a post on this issue has had new post or comments about the shirt after the apology made. There are even posts and comments about not why we should not accept the apology.
I’ve yet to see any critic of the shirt not accept the apology. The vast majority of the blog posts on here about the shirt post-apology are directed explicitly to the people “defending” Matt (who neither needs nor wants it). And in every single one of those posts, the authors make it clear that they accepted the apology.
On Twitter, the various women and other critics of the shirt (many of whom are astronomers or other scientists as well) also accepted the apology, and now only talk about it when they’re tagged by people who continue to complain that we criticized the shirt in the first place.
Bea, read those posts again. We would drop it if everyone else would drop it, too.
Also… Christina, just saw your new video about Marketing Feminism. You should post that here. I’d love to have a discussion on it. I agree with most of what you say, but would love to have a discussion about the biological aspects especially as part of my studies include Evolutionary Psychology.