I am going to attend World Humanist Congress 2014 in Oxford. I will get the opportunity to meet humanist scientists, philosophers, writers, intellectuals I admire so much.
I am so excited!
I am going to attend World Humanist Congress 2014 in Oxford. I will get the opportunity to meet humanist scientists, philosophers, writers, intellectuals I admire so much.
I am so excited!
After a United Nations-run school sheltering more than 3,000 Palestinians was shelled early Wednesday, UN official Christopher Gunness could not contain his grief. He breaks down in tears on live TV.
He cried. Seeing him, I cried too. What about you?
Sam Harris criticized Israel and Judaism in the beginning of his article. He sounds neutral. But he is not. He is as Muslim hater as before.
The question I’ve now received in many forms goes something like this: Why is it that you never criticize Israel? Why is it that you never criticize Judaism? Why is it that you always take the side of the Israelis over that of the Palestinians?
Now, this is an incredibly boring and depressing question for a variety of reasons. The first, is that I have criticized both Israel and Judaism. What seems to have upset many people is that I’ve kept some sense of proportion. There are something like 15 million Jews on earth at this moment; there are a hundred times as many Muslims. I’ve debated rabbis who, when I have assumed that they believe in a God that can hear our prayers, they stop me mid-sentence and say, “Why would you think that I believe in a God who can hear prayers?” So there are rabbis—conservative rabbis—who believe in a God so elastic as to exclude every concrete claim about Him—and therefore, nearly every concrete demand upon human behavior. And there are millions of Jews, literally millions among the few million who exist, for whom Judaism is very important, and yet they are atheists. They don’t believe in God at all. This is actually a position you can hold in Judaism, but it’s a total non sequitur in Islam or Christianity.
Is Sam Harris sad because Jews population is much less than Muslim population? I am sure he knows the reasons why Muslims are more in number than Jews. If they are more, does not mean they are powerful. You have money and weapons, you are much more powerful than them.
Sam says, Judaism is very important for millions of Jews, even though they are atheists. Why should atheists care for any particular religion? If any religion is very important to X, X is not a true atheist. When a person becomes an atheist, he /she denounces his /her religion first, then start denouncing other religions. If your religion is very important to you and you are an atheist, then something is wrong with you.
There are millions of Muslims who are also agnostics or atheists, who do not believe in gods. But most of them say that they are Muslims, because it is safer to say it in Muslim countries and also that they believe though they are atheists, they live in Muslim culture, so they should be called Muslims. They are cultural Muslims.
You must not think all Muslims believe in the Koran or Hadith or they pray regularly. To my surprise I have noticed that it is Muslims, specially non Arabic Muslims, who know almost nothing about Islam or the Koran and the Hadith. If they knew, they could have easily become atheists.
If ordinary Muslims could get proper education, they would have believed in democracy, human rights, equality, freedom of expression the way enlightened people believe in. Muslims are deprived of their rights to become enlightened by corrupt Muslim authorities and oppressive religious systems they impose.
So, when we’re talking about the consequences of irrational beliefs based on scripture, the Jews are the least of the least offenders. But I have said many critical things about Judaism. Let me remind you that parts of Hebrew Bible—books like Leviticus and Exodus and Deuteronomy—are the most repellent, the most sickeningly unethical documents to be found in any religion. They’re worse than the Koran. They’re worse than any part of the New Testament. But the truth is, most Jews recognize this and don’t take these texts seriously. It’s simply a fact that most Jews and most Israelis are not guided by scripture—and that’s a very good thing.
Of course, there are some who are. There are religious extremists among Jews. Now, I consider these people to be truly dangerous, and their religious beliefs are as divisive and as unwarranted as the beliefs of devout Muslims. But there are far fewer such people.
There are two billion Muslims living in the world. The percentage of ‘dangerous Muslim religious extremists’ is not really much. If the percentage was high, we all atheists would have been killed a long time ago.
For those of you who worry that I never say anything critical about Israel: My position on Israel is somewhat paradoxical. There are questions about which I’m genuinely undecided. And there’s something in my position, I think, to offend everyone. So, acknowledging how reckless it is to say anything on this topic, I’m nevertheless going to think out loud about it for a few minutes.
I don’t think Israel should exist as a Jewish state. I think it is obscene, irrational and unjustifiable to have a state organized around a religion. So I don’t celebrate the idea that there’s a Jewish homeland in the Middle East. I certainly don’t support any Jewish claims to real estate based on the Bible. [Note: Read this paragraph again.]
Fine. I think it is impossible for a true atheist to accept any state which has been created based on religion. Mr. Sam, have you ever protested against the birth of Israel before? You say that you are against the creation of a religion-based state. Did you ever ask Israelis to come back to Europe and America leaving their stolen land to Palestinians?
Though I just said that I don’t think Israel should exist as a Jewish state, the justification for such a state is rather easy to find. We need look no further than the fact that the rest of the world has shown itself eager to murder the Jews at almost every opportunity. So, if there were going to be a state organized around protecting members of a single religion, it certainly should be a Jewish state. Now, friends of Israel might consider this a rather tepid defense, but it’s the strongest one I’ve got. I think the idea of a religious state is ultimately untenable.
Needless to say, in defending its territory as a Jewish state, the Israeli government and Israelis themselves have had to do terrible things. They have, as they are now, fought wars against the Palestinians that have caused massive losses of innocent life. More civilians have been killed in Gaza in the last few weeks than militants. That’s not a surprise because Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth. Occupying it, fighting wars in it, is guaranteed to get woman and children and other noncombatants killed. And there’s probably little question over the course of fighting multiple wars that the Israelis have done things that amount to war crimes. They have been brutalized by this process—that is, made brutal by it. But that is largely the due to the character of their enemies. [Note: I was not giving Israel a pass to commit war crimes. I was making a point about the realities of living under the continuous threat of terrorism and of fighting multiple wars in a confined space.]
Is Israel brutal because of the character of her enemies? Wow, this is so funny. Palestinians have no air force, no navy, no army, no cannons, no nukes that Israel have. Israel is the 4th largest military power in the world. Gaza is one of the poor places of earth. Gaza is also called an open air prison. We saw that the brutality of Israel by its air strikes and ground offensives already killed more than a thousand Gazans in the last few days, most of them were civilians. Gazans have home made rockets, bricks, bottles which they use against their enemies. There is no comparison between Hamas and Israel. When Israel kills 1000, Hamas only can manage to kill 20 or so.
Whatever terrible things the Israelis have done, it is also true to say that they have used more restraint in their fighting against the Palestinians than we—the Americans, or Western Europeans—have used in any of our wars. They have endured more worldwide public scrutiny than any other society has ever had to while defending itself against aggressors. The Israelis simply are held to a different standard. And the condemnation leveled at them by the rest of the world is completely out of proportion to what they have actually done. [Note: I was not saying that because they are more careful than we have been at our most careless, the Israelis are above criticism. War crimes are war crimes.]
It is clear that Israel is losing the PR war and has been for years now. One of the most galling things for outside observers about the current war in Gaza is the disproportionate loss of life on the Palestinian side. This doesn’t make a lot of moral sense. Israel built bomb shelters to protect its citizens. The Palestinians built tunnels through which they could carry out terror attacks and kidnap Israelis. Should Israel be blamed for successfully protecting its population in a defensive war? I don’t think so. [Note: I was not suggesting that the deaths of Palestinian noncombatants are anything less than tragic. But if retaliating against Hamas is bound to get innocents killed, and the Israelis manage to protect their own civilians in the meantime, the loss of innocent life on the Palestinian side is guaranteed to be disproportionate.]
But there is no way to look at the images coming out Gaza—especially of infants and toddlers riddled by shrapnel—and think that this is anything other than a monstrous evil. Insofar as Israel is the agent of this evil, it seems impossible to support its behavior. And there is no question that the Palestinians have suffered terribly for decades under the occupation. This is where most critics of Israel appear to be stuck. They see these images, and they blame Israel for killing and maiming babies. They see the occupation, and they blame Israel for making Gaza a prison camp. I would argue is a kind of moral illusion, borne of a failure to look at the actual causes of this conflict, as well as of a failure to understand the intentions of the people on either side of it. [Note: I was not saying that the horror of slain children is a moral illusion; nor was I minimizing the suffering of the Palestinians under the occupation. I was claiming that Israel is not primarily to blame for all this suffering.]
The truth is that there is an obvious, undeniable, and hugely consequential moral difference between Israel and her enemies. The Israelis are surrounded by people who have explicitly genocidal intentions towards them. The charter of Hamas is explicitly genocidal. It looks forward to a time, based on Koranic prophesy, when the earth itself will cry out for Jewish blood, where the trees and the stones will say “O Muslim, there’s a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him.” This is a political document. We are talking about a government that was voted into power by a majority of the Palestinians. [Note: Yes, I know that not every Palestinian supports Hamas, but enough do to have brought them to power. Hamas is not a fringe group.]
If Muslims followed Koranic advice to kill Jews, they would have killed Jews everywhere, in America, in Europe, in Asia, in Africa. But Muslims and Jews have been living together without any conflict in the other parts of the world but Israel and Palestine. Jews are living in Israel surrounded by Arab Muslims. Except the oppressed Palestinian Muslim extremists, no other Muslims go to kill Jews. And that is more for political reasons than religious reasons.
The discourse in the Muslim world about Jews is utterly shocking. Not only is there Holocaust denial—there’s Holocaust denial that then asserts that we will do it for real if given the chance. The only thing more obnoxious than denying the Holocaust is to say that it should have happened; it didn’t happen, but if we get the chance, we will accomplish it. There are children’s shows that teach five-year-olds about the glories of martyrdom and about the necessity of killing Jews.
Jewish children are also taught to hate Muslims. In Israel tvs, children recently said that they would occupy more and more lands and they would be able to control better. They got applauds. Look at those pictures, where Jewish children are writing ‘from Israel with love’ on missiles which will soon be dropped in Palestine and kill children. And the picture of a Jewish boy and his mother who were harassing and physically abusing a Muslim woman who was just walking on the streets. If Jewish were Palestinian Muslims, they would have done the same thing what Palestinians have been doing.
If Palestinian children could get security, secular education, proper nutrition, no poverty, no worries, and good environment, one day many of them could have become like Jewish physicists, scientists, film makers, writers etc.
And this gets to the heart of the moral difference between Israel and her enemies. And this is something I discussed in The End of Faith. To see this moral difference, you have to ask what each side would do if they had the power to do it.
What would the Jews do to the Palestinians if they could do anything they wanted? Well, we know the answer to that question, because they can do more or less anything they want. The Israeli army could kill everyone in Gaza tomorrow. So what does that mean? Well, it means that, when they drop a bomb on a beach and kill four Palestinian children, as happened last week, this is almost certainly an accident. They’re not targeting children. They could target as many children as they want. Every time a Palestinian child dies, Israel edges ever closer to becoming an international pariah. So the Israelis take great pains not to kill children and other noncombatants. [Note: The word “so” in the previous sentence was regrettable and misleading. I didn’t mean to suggest that safeguarding its reputation abroad would be the only (or even primary) reason for Israel to avoid killing children. However, the point stands: Even if you want to attribute the basest motives to Israel, it is clearly in her self-interest not to kill Palestinian children.]
Israel can kill anyone in Gaza tomorrow. They are doing it anyway. They are intentionally killing innocent people. How do you know that killing children on the beach was an accident? The beach was far away from commercial and residential areas. That beach killing could not be an accident. Even some Zionists blamed Israel for killing children who were playing football on the beach. But it is our big famous atheist Sam Harris who is defending the killer.
Now, is it possible that some Israeli soldiers go berserk under pressure and wind up shooting into crowds of rock-throwing children? Of course. You will always find some soldiers acting this way in the middle of a war. But we know that this isn’t the general intent of Israel. We know the Israelis do not want to kill non-combatants, because they could kill as many as they want, and they’re not doing it.
How would we know that killing is not the general intent of Israel? We saw how Israel invading and occupying Palestinians’ land, dropping bombs on civilian houses, killing hundreds of children. Anyone could realize that invading, blockading, occupying and killing were Israel’s intentions. They could kill all Palestinians. But they are not killing everyone right now, probably because they want to kill systematically and slowly. Because they want to be recognized as victims, not as fascists. If they did not have any intention to kill people, they would not have killed people at all.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. You are a state. You should not and must not behave like Hamas. You should not and must not violate your neighbors’ right to live only because some terrorists disturb you.
What do we know of the Palestinians? What would the Palestinians do to the Jews in Israel if the power imbalance were reversed? Well, they have told us what they would do. For some reason, Israel’s critics just don’t want to believe the worst about a group like Hamas, even when it declares the worst of itself. We’ve already had a Holocaust and several other genocides in the 20th century. People are capable of committing genocide. When they tell us they intend to commit genocide, we should listen. There is every reason to believe that the Palestinians would kill all the Jews in Israel if they could. Would every Palestinian support genocide? Of course not. But vast numbers of them—and of Muslims throughout the world—would. Needless to say, the Palestinians in general, not just Hamas, have a history of targeting innocent noncombatants in the most shocking ways possible. They’ve blown themselves up on buses and in restaurants. They’ve massacred teenagers. They’ve murdered Olympic athletes. They now shoot rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas. And again, the charter of their government in Gaza explicitly tells us that they want to annihilate the Jews—not just in Israel but everywhere. [Note: Again, I realize that not all Palestinians support Hamas. Nor am I discounting the degree to which the occupation, along with collateral damage suffered in war, has fueled Palestinian rage. But Palestinian terrorism (and Muslim anti-Semitism) is what has made peaceful coexistence thus far impossible.]
The truth is that everything you need to know about the moral imbalance between Israel and her enemies can be understood on the topic of human shields. Who uses human shields? Well, Hamas certainly does. They shoot their rockets from residential neighborhoods, from beside schools, and hospitals, and mosques. Muslims in other recent conflicts, in Iraq and elsewhere, have also used human shields. They have laid their rifles on the shoulders of their own children and shot from behind their bodies.
Consider the moral difference between using human shields and being deterred by them. That is the difference we’re talking about. The Israelis and other Western powers are deterred, however imperfectly, by the Muslim use of human shields in these conflicts, as we should be. It is morally abhorrent to kill noncombatants if you can avoid it. It’s certainly abhorrent to shoot through the bodies of children to get at your adversary. But take a moment to reflect on how contemptible this behavior is. And understand how cynical it is. The Muslims are acting on the assumption—the knowledge, in fact—that the infidels with whom they fight, the very people whom their religion does nothing but vilify, will be deterred by their use of Muslim human shields. They consider the Jews the spawn of apes and pigs—and yet they rely on the fact that they don’t want to kill Muslim noncombatants. [Note: The term “Muslims” in this paragraph means “Muslim combatants” of the sort that Western forces have encountered in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. The term “jihadists” would have been too narrow, but I was not suggesting that all Muslims support the use of human shields or are anti-Semitic, at war with the West, etc.]
Jews would have terrorized the way Palestinians terrorized if Jews were in Palestinians’ situation. If Jews were living in a land for hundreds of years, and suddenly saw that Muslims came from Europe, stole their land and settled there because their holy book asked them to do so— and then occupied more and more land and killed more and more people, — Jews would be doing every bad thing in their desperate situation.
There is no evidence than Hamas uses children as human shield. Hamas kept their weapons inside UN schools, thinking that Israel won’t bomb schools. But Israel bombed almost everything. They bombed civilian houses, hospitals, schools. And there was a roof knocking thing, yes Israel knocked roof before bombing. But after around 50 seconds of roof knocking Israel bombed and demolished houses, and killed children and women. Israel used illegal and dangerous dime bombs and depleted uranium to kill people, those bombs are also carcinogenic. It looks like Israel has an intention to wipe out Palestinians, to get rid of trouble makers, for ‘so called self defense’.
People shut their mouth, they won’t say anything against Jews even if Jews commit crimes, they won’t say because they fear of being called anti-Semite. Sam Harris, you yourself is an anti-Semite. Saying against the Quran and Arab Muslims are also anti-Semitic. Like Hebrew, Arabic language is a Semitic language.
Now imagine reversing the roles here. Imagine how fatuous—indeed comical it would be—for the Israelis to attempt to use human shields to deter the Palestinians. Some claim that they have already done this. There are reports that Israeli soldiers have occasionally put Palestinian civilians in front of them as they’ve advanced into dangerous areas. That’s not the use of human shields we’re talking about. It’s egregious behavior. No doubt it constitutes a war crime. But Imagine the Israelis holding up their own women and children as human shields. Of course, that would be ridiculous. The Palestinians are trying to kill everyone. Killing women and children is part of the plan. Reversing the roles here produces a grotesque Monty Python skit.
If you’re going talk about the conflict in the Middle East, you have to acknowledge this difference. I don’t think there’s any ethical disparity to be found anywhere that is more shocking or consequential than this.
And the truth is, this isn’t even the worst that jihadists do. Hamas is practically a moderate organization, compared to other jihadist groups. There are Muslims who have blown themselves up in crowds of children—again, Muslim children—just to get at the American soldiers who were handing out candy to them. They have committed suicide bombings, only to send another bomber to the hospital to await the casualities—where they then blow up all the injured along with the doctors and nurses trying to save their lives.
Every day that you could read about an Israeli rocket gone astray or Israeli soldiers beating up an innocent teenager, you could have read about ISIS in Iraq crucifying people on the side of the road, Christians and Muslims. Where is the outrage in the Muslim world and on the Left over these crimes? Where are the demonstrations, 10,000 or 100,000 deep, in the capitals of Europe against ISIS? If Israel kills a dozen Palestinians by accident, the entire Muslim world is inflamed. God forbid you burn a Koran, or write a novel vaguely critical of the faith. And yet Muslims can destroy their own societies—and seek to destroy the West—and you don’t hear a peep.
So, it seems to me, that you have to side with Israel here. You have one side which if it really could accomplish its aims would simply live peacefully with its neighbors, and you have another side which is seeking to implement a seventh century theocracy in the Holy Land. There’s no peace to be found between those incompatible ideas. That doesn’t mean you can’t condemn specific actions on the part of the Israelis. And, of course, acknowledging the moral disparity between Israel and her enemies doesn’t give us any solution to the problem of Israel’s existence in the Middle East. [Note: I was not suggesting that Israel’s actions are above criticism or that their recent incursion into Gaza was necessarily justified. Nor was I saying that the status quo, wherein the Palestinians remain stateless, should be maintained. By “siding with Israel,” I am simply recognizing that they are not the primary aggressors in this conflict. They are, rather, responding to aggression—and at a terrible cost.]
Again, granted, there’s some percentage of Jews who are animated by their own religious hysteria and their own prophesies. Some are awaiting the Messiah on contested land. Yes, these people are willing to sacrifice the blood of their own children for the glory of God. But, for the most part, they are not representative of the current state of Judaism or the actions of the Israeli government. And it is how Israel deals with these people—their own religious lunatics—that will determine whether they can truly hold the moral high ground. And Israel can do a lot more than it has to disempower them. It can cease to subsidize the delusions of the Ultra-Orthodox and it can stop building settlements on contested land. [Note: Read that again.]
This incompatible religious attachments to this land has made it impossible for Muslims and Jews to negotiate like rational human beings, and it has made it impossible for them to live in peace. But the onus is still more on the side of the Muslims here. Even on their worst day, the Israelis act with greater care and compassion and self-criticism than Muslim combatants have anywhere, ever.
And again, you have to ask yourself, what do these groups want? What would they accomplish if they could accomplish anything? What would the Israelis do if they could do what they want? They would live in peace with their neighbors, if they had neighbors who would live in peace with them. They would simply continue to build out their high tech sector and thrive.
What do groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda and even Hamas want? They want to impose their religious views on the rest of humanity. They want stifle every freedom that decent, educated, secular people care about. This is not a trivial difference. And yet judging from the level of condemnation that Israel now receives, you would think the difference ran the other way.
This kind of confusion puts all of us in danger. This is the great story of our time. For the rest of our lives, and the lives of our children, we are going to be confronted by people who don’t want to live peacefully in a secular, pluralistic world, because they are desperate to get to Paradise, and they are willing to destroy the very possibility of human happiness along the way. The truth is, we are all living in Israel. It’s just that some of us haven’t realized it yet.
Those Muslims are ignorant or bad who do not cry for the Muslims killed by Muslim terrorist organizations like ISIS, Boko haram etc but cry for Muslims of Gaza killed by Israel. But it does not justify Israel’s killing of innocent people.
Islamic State or ISIS terrorists destroyed many historical monuments and ancient shrines in Iraq. Here they are destroying the shrine of prophet Seth, Adam and Eve’s 3rd son. Seth is the prophet of Jews, Christians and Muslims. A few days ago they blew up prophet Jonah’s tomb which was built in the 8th century BCE. Jonah was the prophet of Jews and Muslims. Islamic terrorists do not like anyone to worship shrines or tombs. I don’t give a damn about religious buildings. What I care for is history, art and architecture. Islamists like to blow up almost everything. They declared they would demolish Kaaba. I am eagerly waiting for that day when Kaaba would be demolished. Muslims have been, so far, silent. They are rather crying for Palestinians that are killed by Israel, but they don’t shed a tear for fellow Muslims who get killed everyday in Syria and Iraq.
All killings are cruel. Aren’t they? Instead of condemning ISIS terrorists, why do Muslims support them? Is it because they created Islamic Caliphate? Will Muslims be safe under Islamic Caliphate? Christians were thrown out of Iraq. Shias got killed. All other Islamic sects, and all other people of different faith would get killed. Sunnis who are liberal would not be spared. Atheists will definitely be dead. Land of Islam will be ghost land or land of zombies. The air will be there with the smell of dead bodies. Water would taste deadbodies, people would look like deadbodies.
Islamists force women to wear veils. Now they force shopkeepers to cover the faces of mannequins, the female body models that are used for displaying clothes. Islamic penises get erected seeing almost anything. I don’t understand why they are bothered with their erections, they can easily masturbate whenever they want. Allah doesn’t like men to masturbate or what? This is too bad. Allah should know some body science.
Not only ISIS /ISIL/ IS terrorists warned shopkeepers about mannequin veils, they did more stupid things.
The group actually banned mannequins entirely from shops in its northern Syria stronghold of Raqa earlier this year, and forbid men and women from shopping together unless they were related.
A shopkeeper who sells women’s underwear told Reuters he’s been asked to stop his trade and leave it to women..
The Islamic terrorists hate women so much, I wonder, whether they will at all enjoy making love with so many pink virgins everyday for eternity! If they don’t enjoy sex in heaven, what would they really enjoy? Wine? They have tasted no wine on earth. I don’t think they would even like to drink wine in heaven. They love terrorizing people. They love killing. They have been killing in order to go to heaven. I don’t think Allah will allow them to kill anyone in heaven. In that situation, I am worried, they will find heaven feels like hell.
What a shame!
ISIS or ISIL or IS terrorists have been throwing Christians out of Iraq. These terrorists declared Christians have to convert to Islam, or to pay tax for being Non Muslims, or to be slaughtered.
Before US invasion of Iraq in 2003, Christian population was 1.4 million. More than half of the population already left Iraq. Some won’t leave though. They want to die in their homeland. They believe Jesus and Marry will save them. And some won’t leave because they have nowhere to go.
Aramaic-speaking Assyrians have left Iraq ending over 6,000 years of Assyrian history. They have lived in Iraq for over 6,000 years, converting to Christianity over 2,000 years ago. Long before Islam was born and travelled towards Iraq.
ISIS or ISIL or IS terrorists have been killing people whoever oppose them. They have almost wiped out Christians. I wonder why no one is trying to stop these terrorists from killing, slaughtering, banning, banishing innocent people?