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Jan 17 2013

Fun times in the Thunderdome

Quick, everyone! To the Thunderdome! We’ve got a Christian creationist claiming at great length that atheism is false because NDEs, because the placebo effect can’t work in a naturalistic universe, because intelligent design, and because a whole bunch of quotes.

Be gentle, don’t spook her, and have fun tearing those arguments to shreds.

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  1. 1
    Wowbagger, Designated Snarker

    I have to say I’ve never heard the placebo effect used as an argument for believing in gods before. That’s baffingly hilarious.

  2. 2
    Gnumann+, out&proud cultural marxist (just don't ask me about Gramsci)

    I’m so sorry. I suggested some extended reading. It might have spooked her (or, best case scenario, it might keep her busy for a while. That’s more of a pipe dream though).

  3. 3
    Naked Bunny with a Whip

    Sounds like a trip down Nostalgia Lane.

    I hate nostalgia.

  4. 4
    Rob Grigjanis

    I’m amazed that anyone has the energy to engage that nonsense. And reading the ‘fine-tuning’ crap again just makes me grind my teeth. Must be getting old.

  5. 5
    cubist

    “Be gentle”? In the Thunderdome?
    [shakes head]
    P.Z., you may have lost sight of… something or other…

  6. 6
    cm's changeable moniker (quaint, if not charming)

    Oh, that’s not fair. *pout*

    My initial reaction (which I didn’t post) was that aj was going to get mercy-banned within days.

    Single-digit days at that. Single-digit in ternary at most.

  7. 7
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    “Be gentle”? In the Thunderdome?

    Actually, we were fairly “gentle”. But godists define “gentle” as swallowing their blather….

  8. 8
    Lofty

    Poor aj must have spent months collating her post from the creationist literature, and to have it so summarily dismissed, too.

  9. 9
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    Gee, our creobot/IDiot believer should be able to refute both evolution via mutation ans natural selection by citations to the peer reviewed literature…

  10. 10
    sprayingsalt

    Why bother with her though?

  11. 11
    Rawnaeris, Lulu Cthulhu

    Aww, I think she spooked already. Although it was a bit of a gish-gallop and tl;dr.

    Been awhile since we’ve a a creationist cupcake.

  12. 12
    Jafafa Hots

    The Lord™ – now as powerful as table sugar!*

    *(some Lord™ users may detect a slightly bitter aftertaste. Consult your theoligician before beginning any discernment-loss program)

  13. 13
    Ing

    Shiloh?

  14. 14
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    Shiloh?

    Same inane and fuckwitted presuppositional arguments, but different tone. Shiloh began to understand Xe needed evidence and tried. But the “evidence” usually backed the skeptical conclusion….

  15. 15
    Bronze Dog

    If you’ll forgive the self-promotion, I felt like writing up a blog post about the state of Creationism as I see it. Feel free to direct this guy to my post.

  16. 16
    yubal

    those creationist are getting rare.One blog post just for that ??

    On a related note, this handling increases the likelihood for poe. Yes, I hate calling poe, too, but that is what it is. Bored people pepping up the scene get more space when the derailed ones get lost. Bored people love to be in the front page.

    Just saying.

  17. 17
    yubal

    Shiloh is actually very nice. We’ve been there in October once. They also feature ruins of an native american culture. If you are around, you should go, absolutely worth it!

  18. 18
    Moggie

    Ugh, not the fine-tuning argument again. When will that die?

    I hate nostalgia.

    Yeah, modern nostalgia is rubbish.

  19. 19
    Inaji

    sprayingsalt:

    Why bother with her though?

    Because that’s what we do here. Where’s the fun in ignoring her? Where’s the education? Where’s the possibility of opening eyes, of helping others tune and strengthen their ability to argue such matters? What about all the people who read and don’t post? We’ve had people delurk to say that it was because of reading Pharyngula, and such arguments, that they deconverted. It has value.

  20. 20
    Argle Bargle

    Yeah, modern nostalgia is rubbish.

    I remember when nostalgia was pretty good.

  21. 21
    jetboy

    @19
    It’s true. I use the stuff generated here all the time, now. Especially the anti-creationist and feminist stuff. I came for the science, stayed for the savage beatings.

  22. 22
    Inaji

    Thanks, Jetboy. It’s posts like yours that keep us going. :)

  23. 23
    Inaji

    Also, *I* learn tons every time there’s a good ‘get the creationist’ thread. I’m not a scientist, I’m an artist. For every single thread like that, I get a free education. I’ve been getting a free education for years here. It’s beyond fabulous.

  24. 24
    Marcus Ranum

    Moggie@18
    Yeah, modern nostalgia is rubbish.

    It’s the internet’s fault. Back in my day, we had to mine our own clay to make our nostalgia. Nowadays kids just make it out of clouds. They’ve got it too easy!

  25. 25
    Marcus Ranum

    “Free education and savage beatings”

    Why, that’s quite t-shirtable!

  26. 26
    Gregory in Seattle

    I actually learned something from the discussion: I had never before heard the term “gish gallop.” Not sure how I missed out on such a useful expression, but that has now been fixed. Thanks, everyone!

  27. 27
    Rob Grigjanis

    Gregory @26: “I had never before heard the term “gish gallop.””

    Same here. I was wondering whether actress Lillian was known for a peculiar riding style.

    I didn’t read all the responses, but the crew here did deal with the nonsense very well. Since most of the “arguments” were often-seen retreads, maybe there should be a locally-managed FAQ to which the poor souls could be directed. Or maybe there is and I’m just ignorant of it?

  28. 28
    cuervocuero

    Hopefully, this being Thunderdome, I can drag this carcass in here and drop it for proper eviscerating, much as I’d like to see it singled out and stomped with high visibility. It seems the Atlantic got envious of the NYT in the wake of Mr. Chris’s post on rape being the fault of abstinence rules on military campuses. What in the name of sanity is going on with the big mags?

    Rape Happens When Men are Denied X – Take 2 – Military Officer Training

  29. 29
    slowdjinn

    Cuervodecuero – your link seems to be borked. Also, I don’t think this Thunderdome, it’s just advertising what’s going on there.

  30. 30
    Inaji

    cuervodecuero, this thread is not Thunderdome. This is Thunderdome: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/01/14/thunderdome-14/#respond

  31. 31
    Barklikeadog

    Because that’s what we do here. Where’s the fun in ignoring her? Where’s the education? Where’s the possibility of opening eyes, of helping others tune and strengthen their ability to argue such matters? What about all the people who read and don’t post? We’ve had people delurk to say that it was because of reading Pharyngula, and such arguments, that they deconverted. It has value.

    It’s not just for people who might deconvert. It’s for asshat jerks like me who said something terribly stupid and insulting like I did yesterday. I came for the science at 1st too but stayed because I found you folks to be the most moral and socially conscious people I’ve ever run across. I want to learn and grow and be a better human being and being here is, I hope, helping me do that. I just want to say thank you for the free education and the occasional red ass you’ve given me. I’ve learned a lot. Thank you.

  32. 32
    cuervocuero

    oops. me get hang of internets yet. maybe.

  33. 33
    Jafafa Hots

    They just don’t make nostalgia like they used to.

  34. 34
    jasonfailes

    “Ugh, not the fine-tuning argument again. When will that die?”

    The fine-tining argument is basically: The universe works so well without a god, it must have a god.

    As such, those who make that argument have to admit that every anti-evoltion, anti-cosmology, god-of-the-gaps, and argument from ignorance argument has already been conceded. Or am I wrong?

  35. 35
    gapofthegods

    Glad I’m not the only one who hasn’t heard of gish-galloping (or tl;dr or No True Scotsman for that matter).

    Fact is that if you’re right but you can’t debate then you won’t win against a skilled idiot. Thunderdome is basic training for me. Train hard, fight easy!

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