Apr 18 2012

Episode CCCXVIII: Death throes of the terrorsquid!

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by PZ Myers

All right, nice raucus video, but shouldn’t the squid win in the end?

(Episode CCCXVII: Frantic fill-in.)

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The Sailor

20 April 2012 at 6:16 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Mmmmmm…narwhals…

Yep, twisty and protuberant. But I’ve also bought dolphins and crabs (no, not that kind!) for my GFs.

I like my women like I like my booze; wet, no rocks, and a tangy aftertaste.
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kristinc, ~bitter and resigned~

20 April 2012 at 6:21 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

One of my daughter’s best friends (@9 years old) was super disconcerted to find out we didn’t believe in God, and told us a couple times that she was nervous being around people who don’t believe in God. Very sad. Although I hope that frequent contact with us means she’s learning good things about atheists.
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The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa)

20 April 2012 at 6:37 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Happy 4/20 day everyone!

I’m literally too much of a pothead to celebrate 4/20 day.

For me, it’d be like having a special ‘Eat food and drink liquids!’ day, or a ‘breathe’ day, dedicated to the act of respiration.
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Jules

20 April 2012 at 6:38 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Although I hope that frequent contact with us means she’s learning good things about atheists.

I’m sure it will make a difference. Kids aren’t as attached to their ideas as adults.
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The Sailor

20 April 2012 at 7:03 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

TLC @ 3 Breathe, breathe in the air.
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cm's changeable moniker

20 April 2012 at 7:38 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Watched the video. Meh.

Track’s got nothing on Thing That Should Not Be. (That’s got Cthulu.)

501?
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Ms. Daisy Cutter, Gynofascist in a Spiffy Hugo Boss Uniform

20 April 2012 at 7:43 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Ashkenazi cuisine is actually quite good. Obviously, some cooks are better than others.

Sili:

Somewhat like a one-eyed, nigger, Jew dwarf.

I’m sure this sounded funnier in your head, because it’s not funny at all to read. What the fuck is the matter with you?
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Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort

20 April 2012 at 7:44 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

This is being typed on my nifty new toy. I bought an ASUS Slider tablet. Kind of like the Transform, except with the keyboard attached to the computer. My father will be paying for half of it, so that’s pretty cool. Anyway, time for sleeping. Gnite folks!
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Caine, Fleur du mal

20 April 2012 at 7:49 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Kat Lorraine:

This is being typed on my nifty new toy. I bought an ASUS Slider tablet.

Cool. Have fun with it! I’m seriously enjoying my new Nook tablet.
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Muse

20 April 2012 at 8:00 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Anyway, I’m fairly sure that our lovely hosts will ensure gendersegregated accommodation, so even if you do in fact offer, I won’t be able to take you up on that.

Speaking as the management, the management doesn’t give a flying fuck about gender segregation. The management also does not give a flying fuck about people fucking so long as they don’t do it in the street and scare the horses.
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The Sailor

20 April 2012 at 8:07 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Muse- “The management also does not give a flying fuck about people fucking so long as they don’t do it in the street and scare the horses.”

But isn’t it about time we scare the horses? Horses are ebil, unlike the peas, that are just tasty and succulent and begging to be eated.
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Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

20 April 2012 at 8:11 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

and scare the horses.

This is Pharyngula. You have to scare the roosters off, or you aren’t doing it right. Protect the Pullet Patrol™.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

20 April 2012 at 8:23 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

The latest freebie from Urban Threads: Steampunk Bacon Cat.
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The Sailor

20 April 2012 at 8:34 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Protect the Pullet Patrol™.

But, but, but …I was counting on the Pullet Patrol to protect me!
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Rey Fox

20 April 2012 at 8:50 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Meta: It’s funny to look at the Recent Comments and see so many danielhaven comments on a thread called “I don’t even understand the connections”.
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The Sailor

20 April 2012 at 8:55 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Nerd, on 2nd thought, it’s a mutual protection society. I’ll stop quivering and unleash my quarrels!
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cicely. Just cicely.

20 April 2012 at 9:01 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Aha! I believe I’ve found the source of the incredibly fucking horrible neck/shoulder/arm pain! Sing hallelluia with me, Pharyngusibs! I throw *confetti* on my own behalf!

I even dare to hope for…a decent night’s sleep.
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Although I can hardly believe an atheist could be self-conscious.

But I do exist! I’m sure of it!
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Horses are ebil, unlike the peas, that are just tasty and succulent and begging to be eated.

Heretic! Throw him to the peas! With extreme prejudice! In cream sauce!
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chigau (バフーン)

20 April 2012 at 9:03 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I liked Sammy Davis Jr.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

20 April 2012 at 9:06 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Cicely:

Sing hallelluia with me, Pharyngusibs!

Hallelujah!
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cm's changeable moniker

20 April 2012 at 9:07 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Chemists! Fire up your fume hoods. There’s pyrotechnics need lighting. Mercury thiocyanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaC4MqxUnFw

(tip)
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The Sailor

20 April 2012 at 9:42 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I believe I’ve found the source of the incredibly fucking horrible neck/shoulder/arm pain!

Did I miss the part where you told us what the source was?
Umm, big confetti, (which kinda negates the point of confetti, amiright?), a good night’s sleep is one of my goals in life.
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Rey Fox

20 April 2012 at 9:51 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sing hallelluia with me, Pharyngusibs!

Well, I heard there was a secret chord. That David played and it pleased the Lord. But you don’t really care for music, do you?
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Mr. Mattir, MRA Chick

20 April 2012 at 10:11 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Yes, Ashkenazi food can be quite good. The food I cook, for example, is wonderful. The overcooked bland greasy nightmare of the Misogyny Seder, not so much.

Speaking of food, Mr. Mattir and I just went out to a lovely restaurant which offered, as one of its meat course choices, “shoat with [whole bunch of stuff] and shoat jus. I had to order this just because I kept misreading it as “stoat.” (Baked weasel with jus should be a traditional Washingtonian insider dish.) On a somewhat weirder note, they asked when he made the reservation if it was a special occasion, which meant that we were presented with a happy anniversary card signed by the entire restaurant staff. That was very strange. And the restaurant sent us home with a “gift” of coffeecake, coffee, and tea for tomorrow morning. Decaf coffee. Decaf. Something that I don’t drink ever, having trained myself to sleep well despite (or because of) the late-night joe.

I think I’m going to deal with the CCN weirdness by commissioning a surlyramics necklace with a brain, a female sign, and the word “scary” underneath and then wearing that when I have to interact with him. Or I could just wear the one I had made with the porcupine (cute and alive, but still…) and the word “insert.” Whenever I wear it I get compliments because the porcupine is so adorable.
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cicely. Just cicely.

20 April 2012 at 10:21 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sailor, I only just this afternoon isolated the cause of the problem, so you haven’t missed any press releases on it.

Basically, it comes down to…posture. Yes, kiddies; posture does matter. Be told!
*shaking cane*

WARNING: Tedious Details Follow

Posture, and habit. Habitually sitting at the same spots in the living room (wherefrom to watch TV), and my office (monitor), and my home computer (other monitor), all of which conspired to have me holding my head at the same angle (give or take), facing the same direction. Can we say “repetitive” (if not necessarily “stress”)? I knew we could. So, when most of the muscles in my upper right back decided to pull a massive cramp, the entire neck/shoulder/arm chain rose up in unsympathetic revolt. Or possibly the n/s/a nonsense triggered the seizing up of the muscles; chicken/egg, and there were no credible witnesses to the crime. It is also clear, in retrospect, that the Rebel Alliance offered my pre-existing, mild-mannered, easily-managed carpal tunnel problem…cookies. (But they lied. There were no cookies; though there was Zuul in great abundance.)

I was able, with slow, gentle stretches (and muscle relaxants; Go Science!), to get the back muscles to ease off gradually over the space of a week, but the n/s/a assembly would not budge, and in fact, doubled down.

So, there was crying, and drugging, and a general-and-lamentable lack of sleeping (I’m a total pain-wimp; ask anybody), and by this morning, an inability to pick up my cup of coffee, because my thumb was fucking useless and the fingers were all numb to one degree or another.

D’ya wanna know what seems to be the solution to this mess? A ‘course you do! ‘Cause it’s real stupid.

1) Angle head sharply in direction opposite to established default position.
*pop*
2) Bring chin up firmly, until face is in the uprightmost position.
*pop*
3) Marvel at sudden cessation of hideous awful pain, from neck to wrist, and say “howdy” to the prodigal digits.
4) Repeat as needed.

Tedious Details End

I…I feel quite giddy.
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But you don’t really care for music, do you?

Oh, but I do! Usually I stick with instrumental (in the interest of the Common Good), but on this occasion, I believe I will sing hallelujah anyway.
:D
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chigau (バフーン)

20 April 2012 at 10:24 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Driving home today, in the dark side of evening, we almost hit a bat (or it almost hit us).
I have a mental picture of a look of pure horror on the bat’s face, just before it veered off.
It would have made a great photo, if I’d had my camera out and if I was in any way competant at taking action shots.
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chigau (バフーン)

20 April 2012 at 10:28 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

cicely
*pop*
*pop*
Watch it.
The Chirofraudsters will get after you for practicing on yourself without a liscence.
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Catnip, Not a Polymath

20 April 2012 at 10:28 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

@sailor

Big confetti=> ream of A4 paper?
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Ms. Daisy Cutter, Gynofascist in a Spiffy Hugo Boss Uniform

20 April 2012 at 10:34 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

More misogyny from the Romney campaign. “[Richard] Grenell appears to be particularly bothered by Rachel Maddow, whom he apparently finds insufficiently feminine.”
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chigau (バフーン)

20 April 2012 at 10:35 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

liscense
licesence
licsence
lysenz
license
fuk
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The Sailor

20 April 2012 at 11:08 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Mattir, you had me at “That was very strange”, and I snickered thru the middle, but when I got to “Whenever I wear it I get compliments because the porcupine is so adorable”, I laughed out loud.
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theophontes 777

20 April 2012 at 11:57 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Oh Noze! Teh Uppity Wimmin are gibbin’ teh menZ a hard time:

It said the sisters were promoting radical feminist themes and criticised US nuns for challenging the bishops, who it said were “the church’s authentic teachers of faith and morals”.

The catholic bishops are getting upset that nuns are doing right by the people they serve. One certainly can’t have that!

Link: Leader of ‘radical’ US nuns rejects Vatican criticism

(I think “radical” means “does not hate Obama”… or “caring for people” … or sumthin’ equally heretical.)
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kristinc, ~bitter and resigned~

21 April 2012 at 12:06 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

My 13-year-old knows everything. So he is probably going to miss his pickup time for the parade he’s marching in tomorrow because we adults are, like, totally stupid to advise him to do ridiculous things like plan on being early for the bus. I know, right? What kind of loser would do that?

Sigh. At least he will learn. Vividly and memorably.
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chigau (バフーン)

21 April 2012 at 12:22 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

kristinc
I have no 13-year-old of my own but I can testify that the ones I deal with for a few hours every week definitely know everything.
They are sooo fucking cute!
(I don’t hafta go home with them.)
teehee
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 12:30 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

…All righty, middle of the night ain’t the best time for this but hey.

BronyStudy needs a control group of non-My Little Pony fans to take their second-tier survey. So, if you don’t know what MLP is, or why some of us make such a big deal out of it, please consider taking the survey For Science!

http://www.bronystudy.com/

Goals of our Survey:
1) Describe the Brony Community (Fandom)
2) Contrast the Bronies versus the Non-Bronies on demographic and personality variables
3) Provide information that might confirm or disconfirm myths/beliefs about the Brony Community (Fandom)
4) Look for Types of Bronies and differences between these Types
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Nutmeg

21 April 2012 at 12:52 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I’m busy doing my pre-event crankiness and anxiety for the wedding social I have to go to Saturday night.

I gather that the event revolves around drinking and dancing, and I don’t do either. AND there will be music, meaning that I won’t be able to hear anything that anyone says. AND I haven’t yet told any of my friends that I’ve finally figured out I’m mostly into girls, so they’ll be busy trying to set me up with guys all night.

So, umm, yay for being a non-dancing, non-drinking, mostly-gay shy girl at a large heteronormative party dedicated to drinking and dancing. Who says hell doesn’t exist?

[/worst-case scenario]

My current plan is to tuck a tensor bandage in my purse. If too many drunk (male) rugby players are pestering me to dance, I’m going to slip off to the bathroom, apply the bandage, and pretend I sprained my ankle. Unless anyone has suggestions for more entertaining fake injuries/illnesses?
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chigau (バフーン)

21 April 2012 at 1:05 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Nutmeg
Tomorrow, I will be attending a high school production of Willy Wonka.
A girl is playing Willy.
re: your wedding function
Walk in with a cane.
Start a line dance.
When the Wrong One™ asks you to dance, say “No, thank you.”
If it persists, raise your voice and say, “No, I will NOT give you a blow-job!” aaaannnd *faint*
(really. try this. tell me if it works.)
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Josh, Official SpokesGay

21 April 2012 at 1:06 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Red letter day!

I had to bring the torn-off roofing to the city dump in the station wagon today (that cursed pile hiding a razor blade that cut my finger necessitating stitches. Oh, and $35 US to dispose of it, thank you very much). Our dump/recycling station has a little shed where you can leave off household goods—books, crockery, furniture, etc.—for people to pick over for free. I got a whole set of bread plates that way recently, and Ms. Daisy Cutter can attest how delicious bread is when eaten off them.

Well I was driving away when eye spied with my little eye an inverted white dome-type thing. Holy shit—a a milk-glass shade to fit my antique Aladdin kerosene table lamp. Free!

Don’t know if it’s antique or not, but it fits the lamp perfectly and it’s just the thing I’ve been looking for to let more light through for reading but still keep the blinding mantle shaded off. Those shits are expensive to buy.
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Nutmeg

21 April 2012 at 1:14 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

chigau: Female Willy Wonka – interesting. Trade you?

I like the idea of a cane. It doubles as a weapon. (When I’m nervous, I like to be armed. You should see the selection of weapons beside my pillow when I’m camping in bear country.)

I had already contemplated fake-fainting. If I work out really hard earlier in the day and don’t eat much dinner, I might not even need to fake. The risk of actually being taken to the hospital is a bit high, though.
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chigau (バフーン)

21 April 2012 at 1:35 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Nutmeg
OK.
not *face-plant* faint; *gentle-flop* swoon.
People will bring you water and cake.
(my bear-country weapon-of-choice is a long-gun and someone who knows how to use it)
(or the truck parked close-by)
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chigau (バフーン)

21 April 2012 at 1:36 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Josh
free milk-glass shade
Score!
(people throw away the best stuff)
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The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa)

21 April 2012 at 1:36 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Nutmeg: My favorite walking stick weapon will always be the spear :P
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Nutmeg

21 April 2012 at 1:53 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Favourite weapon? I have to pick one?

My bear-country camping generally involves long hikes or portages, so I don’t bring a gun. It’s just black bears here, anyway.

But my beside-pillow selection includes:
-large, excessively bright flashlight
-bear bangers
-hunting knife
-filleting knife
-bear spray
-big stick

As you might guess, I’m a little neurotic about bears.
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chigau (バフーン)

21 April 2012 at 2:01 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I don’t think I’ve used the phrase “just black bears” since that one tried to threaten the helicopter (which was running).
Black bears are scary.
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SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant

21 April 2012 at 2:26 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Speaking of bears, did you all catch the news that’s governor got chased naked by a bear while trying to bring in his bird feeder so as to prevent more bears from coming around?

Ahhh, Vermont…
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chigau (バフーン)

21 April 2012 at 2:35 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

birds and bears and nekked guvners, oh my!
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 2:39 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

More ragey war-on-uteri stuff: (yes, this is what I do all night)

Good news: Oklahoma’s zygote-personhood bill failed without a vote, (source)

Bad news: Planned Parenthood in Wisconsin can’t give out pills for medication abortions because of Scott Walker’s new law that makes it all but legally impossible.

“Under this new law, women seeking medication abortion would be required to make at least three separate doctor’s vists to the same doctor,” said Terry Huyck, CEO of PPWI. Addtionally, Act 217 creates criminal penalties for providers of medication abortions if they don’t follow the ambiguous legislative restrictions. And the penalties are strict. According to the bill’s language:

Under this bill, a person who gives a woman an abortion-inducing drug in a manner that violates the prohibition is guilty of a Class I felony and may be subject to a civil action.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/20/468593/ppwi-medication-abortions/

And Missouri has a similar bill now under consideration that would create stifling barriers to medication abortion:

The bill endorsed by the House would require a doctor — not a nurse or other medical professional — to perform a physical examination of the woman at least 24 hours before prescribing the abortion-inducing drug mifepristone, commonly known as RU-486.

…

The legislation would require the physician administering RU-486 to have clinical privileges at a nearby hospital, as well as privileges to intervene with surgery if necessary at a hospital or the abortion clinic where the drug was given.

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/04/18/missouri-attempts-to-combine-ru-486-rules-with-trap-law-to-create-supertrap

More abortion access bowl-a-thons this weekend, with another round next week, plus We Are Women marches all across the country on April 28.
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Spicospina

21 April 2012 at 2:45 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sorry to but in, HELP PLEASE if you can, Hey their friends of the Cephalopod, anyone of you Hydrogeologists, I am sure some of you are scientists, obvious. If you have LinkedIn acces, I could really use some help drowning out a very pernicious and intransigent arsehole called Doug Bates of GeoDivining International aka GeoDivining (UK) Ltd. The members of the Hydrogeology forum group appear to be too spineless to HELP. Any assistance or support SO VERY WELCOME. Sorry to shout. Respectly Simon, Head over to LinkedIn, Hydrogeology forum, discussion on Witching for water. I’d link it, but, don’t think that would work. Same post on PZ’s FB site. Thanks so much.
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amblebury

21 April 2012 at 2:53 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Well, seems like a night for posting borderline odd stuff. Share this, if you fancy it:

http://zomgscience.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/vaccination3.png
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amblebury

21 April 2012 at 3:08 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Hmm. OK. I shared that from someone I respect – but should’ve looked at it more closely. While I’m 100% in favour of the message, the sexist language is bad. I’d overlooked the bad grammar already.

Good message, I like the concept of the presentation, but the language could be way more clever than it is.
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Beatrice, anormalement indécente

21 April 2012 at 3:16 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

BronyStudy needs a control group of non-My Little Pony fans to take their second-tier survey. So, if you don’t know what MLP is, or why some of us make such a big deal out of it, please consider taking the survey For Science!

Done.
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 3:30 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

also for weirdness: MLP is leading up to the two-part Royal Wedding season finale at noon (CST) tomorrow. There are multiple livestreaming mare-a-thons leading up to the finale:

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/04/mare-thons-tonight.html

(I’m napping to BronyTV. *nodnod* )

–

Oo, thanks Beatrice!
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The Sailor

21 April 2012 at 4:51 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Wildwood Flower
It’s still 420 somewhere init?
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NuMad

21 April 2012 at 5:00 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

That doesn’t make sense to me. How is this not defining physical stuff as the only logically possible stuff that exists?

What’s your point?

There’s no reason to think that’s correct. You’d have to give a logical proof, but you said you couldn’t do that.

“Physical stuff” is just a pleonasm, and “non-physical stuff” is an empty concept. It’s not just that it’s impossible for “non-physical stuff” to exist, it’s that it’s impossible for it to make sense. It just came into being as an artifact of the collision of old supernatural thinking with a scientific worldview of the physical universe, and the form it’s expressed as here (non-physical stuff) is just leftover grammar clutter.

And on this note, I pass out.
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rorschach

21 April 2012 at 5:08 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I’ve just acquired a few of Hitchens’ audiobooks. It is amazing how soothing the steady flow, the cadence, the melodic sound of his voice is when played in the car on the way to or from work, say. You don’t even have to pay attention to what he’s saying, it’s like brain yoga, or meditation music, it just relaxes you in a very weird way.
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Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg

21 April 2012 at 5:55 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

HI there
My ears are still driving me mad but I’m getting better

Caine
Gorgeous duckie
I could never have your patience

Hehe, I was thinking about posting that steampunk bacon cat myself :)
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 6:27 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Giliell:

Gorgeous duckie
I could never have your patience

Thank you. ♥

Hehe, I was thinking about posting that steampunk bacon cat myself :)

Heh. They get some weird requests.
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consciousness razor

21 April 2012 at 7:32 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

And on this note, I pass out.

When you come back to your senses, back your assertion up or drop it.
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Ms. Daisy Cutter, Gynofascist in a Spiffy Hugo Boss Uniform

21 April 2012 at 8:24 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

An Anglican priest has an article in the Guardian titled, “Was Jesus gay? Probably.” The subtitle is, “I preached on Good Friday that Jesus’s intimacy with John suggested he was gay as I felt deeply it had to be addressed.”

As much as I agree with the commenter who replied, “Did Jesus exist? Probably not,” I LOL’ed. And I fired up Photoshop.

(Another comment: “I’m almost tempted to say I’m sure that Jesus’ prostate was frequently massaged just to see the response it elicits from the Catholics.”)

Nutmeg:

bear bangers

I think I once saw a movie by that title in the “adult emporium.”

Pteryxx:

More abortion access bowl-a-thons this weekend

The first time I read that I missed the word “access.” The phrase “Abortion bowl-a-thon” suggests fetuses lined up like tenpins. After every turn you’d not only have to wash the ball but hose down the alley, I think.

Amblebury, while I’d agree that the image you posted is inappropriate for Pharyngula, just to speak for myself, it didn’t ping my radar as problematic because it was spawned by a meme that uses all sorts of over-the-top language. Another example contains the exclamation “MUHAMMAD CLIT-RIPPING FUCK!” Which is awful. But hilarious. But awful. But hilarious.
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 8:26 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I got a whole set of bread plates that way recently, and Ms. Daisy Cutter can attest how delicious bread is when eaten off them.

What are “breadplates”? I know some specialised porcelain, but that one seems to have escaped my notice.
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 8:31 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Ms. Daisy Cutter, Gynofascist in a Spiffy Hugo Boss Uniform

I’m sure this sounded funnier in your head, because it’s not funny at all to read. What the fuck is the matter with you?

I tried quoting from memory. My poor recall tends to make stuff more bigoted apparently. Interesting that.
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Ms. Daisy Cutter, Gynofascist in a Spiffy Hugo Boss Uniform

21 April 2012 at 8:39 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sili, gotcha, but it might have gone over better if you had indicated you were quoting SDJ. I grew up with him on TV; I know he was a black convert to Judaism who was rather short and who had lost an eye. I’d never heard him describe himself in the terms you used. It’s one thing coming from a person to whom the terms apply, quite another coming from a person to whom they don’t.
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Rev. BigDumbChimp

21 April 2012 at 8:41 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I have a sneaking suspicion my new neighbors are part of some funny religious cult, and may be leaders in it

1. They homeschool thier kid who has to be in his mid late teens
2. I’m not sure they work at all. Since they bought the house I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen them “go to work” They could work from home of course, but it still might be another data point
3. They just left at 8:30 am on a Saturday “dressed up”. And by dressed up I mean her in a casual churchy dress and he in short sleeves and a tie and very flat pale blue pants with a briefcase and what looked like a bible-ish book. Like exactly what I picture fundy attire to be.

Granted these are all superficial and petty judgements but they just have this feeling they are.

Or maybe it’s that I fucking hate their pair of little rats dogs who bark all the time.

Might have to let the Husky pair of destruction out one day when they are out.
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 8:45 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sorry,

I wrongly assumed that everyone knew that particular quip. But I certainly should have made sure I quoted it verbatim so it was more readily googlable.
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'Tis Himself

21 April 2012 at 8:51 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

What are “breadplates”?

You need a loaf of Wonderbread® or other toiletpaper-based bread substitute, some heavy weights, and some plastic plates (Tupperware® is appropriate). Put the Wonderbread® between two plates and stack the weights on top. Let sit in a cool, dark place for six or more months. Remove the weights and plastic plates (these may be reused for another purpose) and preheat your oven to 190°C/375°F/Gas 5. Toss the “bread” into the oven for 30 to 45 minutes until they look sorta plate like. You now have breadplates.
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 9:01 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Another dream about donuts last night. With alcohol. I, and a kid I knew in high school, were trying to figure out how to get the taste of donuts to come through in a dark porter (this was a dream, okay? I know that porters are already strong and don’t need much in the way of additives for more flavour.) And we were arguing over the name: Pigbeer or Copbeer were the two finalists. No idea which one won as I woke up.

Weird.

What the hell is going on in my mind?

bear bangers

It does make a lot of sense to make sausage out of game. Tough meat, when ground and seasoned, can turn into tender sausage as long as there is enough fat.

What are “breadplates”? I know some specialised porcelain, but that one seems to have escaped my notice.

In Europe, during the (inadequately defined) middle ages, thick slices of heavy, dense bread were used as plates. These stand-ins, called trenchers, soaked up any juices from the meats and were then eaten after the main course. Thus the term, “trencherman”, for someone with a hefty appetite.

I have a sneaking suspicion my new neighbors are part of some funny religious cult, and may be leaders in it

That’s no funny religious cult, that’s evangelical Christianity at its ‘best’.
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 9:03 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

You need a loaf of Wonderbread® or other toiletpaper-based bread substitute, some heavy weights, and some plastic plates (Tupperware® is appropriate). Put the Wonderbread® between two plates and stack the weights on top. Let sit in a cool, dark place for six or more months. Remove the weights and plastic plates (these may be reused for another purpose) and preheat your oven to 190°C/375°F/Gas 5. Toss the “bread” into the oven for 30 to 45 minutes until they look sorta plate like. You now have breadplates.

This sounds like a Mormon/evangelical recipe for dwarfish battle bread.
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 9:15 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

FYI, if anyone wants to hang out for the MLP mare-a-thon, I opened a temporary chatroom. It’s accessible by browser and by IRC (on Ustream).

Browser link: in spoiler text
IRC: join server c. ustream. tv (no spaces) #tomewyrm

Currently I’m watching Haxmega’s stream which is showing past eps.
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AJ Milne

21 April 2012 at 9:31 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

That’s no funny religious cult, that’s evangelical Christianity at its ‘best’.

Point of order: evangelical Christianity pretty much is a funny religious cult.

(/Captain Obvious signing off.)

(/Religion: a cult that made it.)
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Ms. Daisy Cutter, Gynofascist in a Spiffy Hugo Boss Uniform

21 April 2012 at 9:50 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

“You know who else had hate crime laws?”

Jeez.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 10:00 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Daisy:

“You know who else had hate crime laws?”

That was stupid, however, I find it topped by the smug wee xtian who showed up to school everyone.
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Matt Penfold

21 April 2012 at 10:04 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

That was stupid, however, I find it topped by the smug wee xtian who showed up to school everyone.

oberski has form on Ophelia’s blog. He recently tried to defend the right of advertisers to lie.
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A. R

21 April 2012 at 10:07 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

“You know who else had hate crime laws?”

Thought about responding with “Yep, the Nazis wrote hate crime into their laws.” But I don’t think the idiot would grok that.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 10:15 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Matt:

He recently tried to defend the right of advertisers to lie.

Oh FFS. I ignore him when he posts here.
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bdnf.cyno

21 April 2012 at 10:16 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Hi! I’m sorry to barge in and interrupt but I know that many, if not most, of you are concerned with college/university fees and accessibility to higher education. As some of you may know, confronted to a 75% hike, Québec students have been on strike for over two months now and the conflict have become more violent over the last few weeks. If you ever want to show your support, here is a quick and easy way to do so. Thanks a lot for your help!

http://operation1625.com/index.php
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 10:20 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Totally threadrupt (as I often seem to be on Saturday morning).

Hello, everyone!

I wish I wasn’t out of coffee. :(
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 10:33 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Hello, doctor.

I’ve put some International Coffee Swiss Cocoa Latte powder into my USB port. Should make it to yours soon.

(Sorry. No real coffee.)
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 10:34 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sorry. No real coffee.

Thanks, Oggie. I’ll take anything at this point. :D
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opposablethumbs

21 April 2012 at 10:44 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Plates made of bread would be a fine, fine thing (though come to think of it that’s kind of what the bread in sandwiches is doing there, in a way …). Anyway, @ Sili, I think what Josh was referring to is what I would call sideplates – those small plates wot posh people do put their bread or bread roll on beside their bigger main plate at dinner, or which I use as a salad plate if the salad is separate or just as a plate if I’m only having a snack. Or for dessert. (Oh, all right, then, pudding)

This message has been brought to you by Mind-Numbingly Tedious Thumbs R Us and What Am I Thinking, Inc.
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Matt Penfold

21 April 2012 at 10:50 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

It used to be common to have plates made from bread baked hard. They were called trenchers.
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opposablethumbs

21 April 2012 at 11:13 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I just used to throw mine over my shoulder for the dogs, and have fresh rushes strewn on the floor afterwards …
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 11:16 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

(MLPsquee) YES my stream is playing Best Night Ever! SQUEEEEE

45 minutes to go, 1600 viewers on just this one stream. SQUEE
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Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg

21 April 2012 at 12:27 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Hmmm, fresh aspergus, new potatoes and smoked salmon for dinner, yummie

And although the new foto-books might be much more fun to look at than the good old albums, but they’re certainly not less work…
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 12:35 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

new potatoes

Aw, c’mon! Classic Potatoes is so much better. I hate it when pop companies mess around with their formulas!
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Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan

21 April 2012 at 12:37 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Nutmeg: Hmmm . . . maybe slip away at some point and pretend to vomit in the ladies’? Just tell everyone you were having dry heaves and should probably bow out early. You might end up vomiting for real if you fake hard enough, though, which just might convince them to see you off.

Really loud music? Fake getting a headache. If they offer you water, drink it, but still make a show of not feeling well. If they insist you stay, tell them you don’t want to drag the party down and should really leave. Fake feeling like you might vomit at this point if you like, the combination seems like a surefire way to be excused.

Or just go with the first plan you thought of. You sure it won’t seem suspicious that you just happen to have a tensor bandage in your purse?
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Brother and SIL came down from NYC last night late, so we all went to this burger place called Plan B. We’ve been there before, and it’s quite good. Anyway, since yesterday was 420 Day, they had a special: A burger stuffed with hot dog pieces, cheese, and topped with crushed Doritos, among other things. I thought he was making it up, but no, dead serious. No one ordered it, and we also had to explain to Mom what 420 was about.

I also used the 420 thing as an excuse to not be healthy for dinner. On top of the hot wings and blue cheese chips we shared, I had a chili burger and onion rings (also the last few tater tots SIL couldn’t finish). And a glass and a half of beer. Oof. Slept late, and thankfully no hangover to deal with.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 12:38 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

PTI:

A burger stuffed with hot dog pieces, cheese, and topped with crushed Doritos, among other things.

I would so eat that.
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 12:43 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I celebrated 4/20 by, er, going to work, making dinner (‘Mexican’ pizza (a normal pizza crust with diced smoked pork, black beans, corn, sweet pepper, chili pepper, onion and cheese and backed like a normal pizza)), smoking a cigar (yes! is was a cigar!), doing the bills, and going to bed at 8:30pm.

See, this^ is what scares the theists so much about me as an atheist: my hedonistic lifestyle.
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NuMad

21 April 2012 at 12:56 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

When you come back to your senses, back your assertion up or drop it.

I don’t think that’s necessary until the idea of “non-physical stuff” is elevated to the level of an assertion.

If upon new “stuff” being encountered sometime in the future the scientific community decides to just shrug its shoulders and label it “magic, yo” instead of classifying it as some exotic form of physical phenomenon, then that would just mean that in the interval the definition of what the word “physical” means would have shifted, or the scientific community would be having a collective brain freeze.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 12:59 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Oggie:

See, this^ is what scares the theists so much about me as an atheist: my hedonistic lifestyle.

I know, right? I had a frighteningly similar night last night:

Came home from work. Puttered around on the internet. Ordered Chinese food. Watched this past Wednesday’s episode of The Daily Show (Robert Reich!). Read a book for a little while and was in bed by 10.

Today is shaping up to be just as hedonistic: I ate a bagel, did a little bit of cleaning*, made some mint and chamomile iced tea, and puttered around on the internet. Mr Darkheart is going out tonight, so I might watch Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy later.

BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR ATHEIST OVERLORDS, RELIGIOUS PEOPLE! MWAH HA HA HA HA!

*I did find pink, penis-shaped plastic cutlery in one of my kitchen cupboards, though. That’s gotta count for something.
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Louis

21 April 2012 at 1:05 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Pie Floater Trencher Special:

1) Take one bloomer loaf of multigrain bread, cut in half longitudinally (i.e. separate the bottom half from the top half) and hollow out the bottom half to leave ~1cm thick bread layer before the crust is exposed.

2) Toast trencher in the oven and then place a large Yorkshire pudding (specially made or large, plate sized store bought) within the cavity, lining it as far as possible.

3) Carefully drizzle a thin layer of beef gravy over the base of the Yorkshire pudding.

4) Fill Yorkshire pudding/trencher cavity with pea (or pea and ham) soup to ~90% of the capacity of the cavity.

5) Place a freshly baked pie, with filling of your choice, I prefer steak and stilton, within the pea soup. Make sure the pie is UPSIDE DOWN.

6) Drizzle more gravy over the pie/soup/trencher.

7) On one side of the pie add a heaped teaspoon of English Mustard, on the other a heaped teaspoon of hot Horseradish.

8) Drizzle over the ketchup of your preference.

9) Season with freshly ground black pepper and crumbled, crispy bacon.

10) Eat, with accompanying beers.

11) Realise this is why you are fat.

Louis
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consciousness razor

21 April 2012 at 1:06 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

See, this^ is what scares the theists so much about me as an atheist: my hedonistic lifestyle.

Mexican pizza is unpatriotic and un-Biblical, but I repeat myself. Anyway, I can see where they’re coming from. Cigars are of course only a sin for those without penises, so no problem there. But honestly, I had no idea anyone got pleasure out of doing their bills. That is scary. Filthy hedonists….
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niftyatheist

21 April 2012 at 1:08 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Mattir – the porcupine necklace made me LOL :D Happy Anniversary! And Yay for a nice, romantic dinner out. :)

Ogvorbis, I think your awesome mind has decided it likes you very much and is gifting you with this fascinating, pleasant dream world. I say go with the donuts and let the alcohol flow freely in your dreams!

Josh, how good to find that milk glass! I love those antique hurricane style lamps – and the outer glass is deucedly hard to find if it gets broken. Yay for you!

Cicely, so glad that you’ve got to the root of your trouble and are on your way to getting rid of that pain. OUCH! Yay for you!

Stealing from Ye Olde Blacksmith yesterday – I’m breaking out the YAY-GUN and pointing it in your direction, Happy Horde! :D) Prepare to be showered with a volley of celebration!)

After the break-in and follow up police/security/locksmithy business, i was having trouble writing anything of substance – but Mr Nifty arrived back home last night around 9. Although I was ~~pretty~~ VERY calm, cool and collected over the past few days, I admit that his arrival coincided with a veritable tsunami of writing – I stayed up until 3AM finishing one post and mostly finishing 4 more for next week! :D Pteryxx, thanks for the link – and the others you posted this week – they have certainly helped me round out sourcing for my work on reproductive rights .
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 1:09 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I totally freaked out a neighbor a few years ago.

We helped him (he was elderly) with some of his yard work, kept an eye on him (his kids are out of town), and, basically, were good neighbors. He was mildly upset when he found out we are not Catholic. He was freaked out that we are atheists. Direct quote: “But you seem so normal! Are you secret atheists? Why do you act like normal people? HOW do you act like normal people?” He died a week later.

He was a pain the ass, though. All taxes are evil, but why are they closing the fire station nearby, why haven’t the paved my street, why are there so many coloureds moving into the area, why are there so few police, why should I pay for school when my kids are out, why do the schools do such a lousy job, why should my taxes go up now when they haven’t changed in 40 years, etc.

Nice guy, but totally Fauxed.

But he was really freaked out that Wife and I are atheists. We seemed so normal. So boring. What were we up to?
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niftyatheist

21 April 2012 at 1:09 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

OOps! Meant to send a delicious pot of coffee to Dr Audley – place cup below USB port and enjoy piping hot caffeinated goodness at your convenience!
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 1:12 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

And an addendum to my previous:

I suspect that this also freaks out the religious and conservatives when it comes to gay and lesbian and transgendered and bisexual couples. They can be so damned boring. Why don’t atheists and GLBTs act the way my preacher says they act?

I say go with the donuts and let the alcohol flow freely in your dreams!

As long as I don’t become the Ohgod of Hangovers. That’s be not good uber.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 1:14 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Nifty:
Thank you! I was really starting to feel the caffeine withdrawal! :D

I’ve found that cutting down on my caffeine consumption* has been MUCH MUCH harder than quitting smoking. But, on the plus side, I’ve been smoke-free for over a month now, yay.

*Down from four cups to one cup a day.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 1:15 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

*Four cups of coffee, I mean.
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Louis

21 April 2012 at 1:15 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

By the way thread: Rum. Rum is good. I like rum.

Louis
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 1:21 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Rum. Rum is good. I like rum.

Dark? Light? Spiced? Straight or as a cocktail? And what kind of cocktail, leghorn?

And what about Rummy? or Rumsfeld? or Ruminants? or Redrum?
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Josh, Official SpokesGay

21 April 2012 at 1:23 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I would totally eat that bread/pudding/soup/pie thing, Husband.
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Josh, Official SpokesGay

21 April 2012 at 1:26 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Also, when I say “Husband” it is to be heard with Jamaican intonation a la Labarbara Conrad.
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consciousness razor

21 April 2012 at 1:27 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I don’t think that’s necessary until the idea of “non-physical stuff” is elevated to the level of an assertion.

Then please start thinking that. On what grounds do you think you can make the claim it’s logically impossible? Do you think it’s based on some kind of evidence? Or do you just have presuppositions?
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opposablethumbs

21 April 2012 at 1:37 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Why is the rum always gone?
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 1:42 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Why is the rum always gone?

Horses.

Really, horses stole the rum, mixed it with peas, and drank it.

Honest.

No, really.
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niftyatheist

21 April 2012 at 1:44 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Louis, nom nom nom! with RUM, too! I’m down with that. :)

Ogvorbis,

Dark? Light? Spiced? Straight or as a cocktail?

YES!
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Rey Fox

21 April 2012 at 1:48 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Usually I stick with instrumental (in the interest of the Common Good), but on this occasion, I believe I will sing hallelujah anyway.
:D

I’ve seen your flag on the marble arch, love is not a victory march, it’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelujah!
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 1:48 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Okay, I was wrong. Niftyatheist drank it all. No horses involved.

Not sure about the peas.
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Nutmeg

21 April 2012 at 1:55 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

PTI:

You sure it won’t seem suspicious that you just happen to have a tensor bandage in your purse?

Damn, you’re right. Okay, so my options are: fainting, vomiting, and headache. Sounds like a fun night!

At the moment I’m in denial that I have to go to a party this evening. I’m still in my pajamas and I’ve spent the last hour planning the menu for this summer’s canoe trip.
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Nutmeg

21 April 2012 at 1:55 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Hmm, there should be some blockquote tags in my last post. Oops.
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Just_A_Lurker

21 April 2012 at 1:58 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I just saw a commercial for Warren Buffet’s Secret Millionaire Club cartoon on The Hub.

I-I’m confused.

YAY Ponies! Oh, no more new episodes. Boo. =(
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KG

21 April 2012 at 2:09 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

If upon new “stuff” being encountered sometime in the future the scientific community decides to just shrug its shoulders and label it “magic, yo” instead of classifying it as some exotic form of physical phenomenon, then that would just mean that in the interval the definition of what the word “physical” means would have shifted – NuMad

But since you are using “physical” in its current sense, you would still have been shown to be wrong in asserting that there is no non-sphysical stuff. Hence by admitting the possibility, you also admit that you are wrong in claiming that non-physical stuff is logically impossible.
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 2:10 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

oh, the Royal Wedding eps were AWESOME – manymany brony squees and tears were shed. At max there were over 6200 viewers of the ONE livestream I happened to be watching.
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 2:21 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Pterryx:

What royal wedding? Did I miss something?
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 2:29 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

My Little Pony Royal Wedding season finale. No big outside the brony world. ~;>
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 2:34 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

also randomly, can I just say whoever is live-captioning the NHL playoff game is a frickin’ hero. Xe’s rolling out weird Czech and French-Canadian names left and right with less than a second’s delay (mostly) from the commentators in real damn time. I LOVE CAPTIONERS SO HARD.
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 3:04 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Girl’s boyfriend is into My Little Pony. For his last birthday (he turned 20), Wife and I gave him MLP sheets for his bed. He loves them.
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niftyatheist

21 April 2012 at 3:07 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Pteryxx, I was wondering about the royal wedding reference too – ?

Ogvorbis- yes, I drank it all, dammit – though I slipped a little of the spiced to the horses (makes ‘em less jittery when the sex spills out into the streets!) – pass on the peas today – but they are my secret vice on Mondays and Thorsdays!
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Louis

21 April 2012 at 3:22 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Josh,

I shall send you a Pie Floater Trencher Special via the USB bloater matrix.

Louis
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Louis

21 April 2012 at 3:28 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Ogvorbis,

Rum: Dark or spiced for a preference. I am currently enjoying Sailor Jerry’s Spiced Rum, which is a little lighter (in colour, flavour and alcohol) than my normal tipples.

How it is drunk: Straight. Neat. If I am feeling a bit tender, perhaps I will pour it over some crushed ice. If available as a mojito, I can be persuaded. Daiquiris are also nice. If I am drinking properly though, I will avoid cocktails and stick to straight rum chasers with my beer.

Special rums get tasted carefully, both with and without one cube of ice.

Alcoholism is SRS BSNS. I don’t just lie about on park benches drinking meths and swearing at invisible passers by.

Any more.

Louis
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 3:29 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

…Sure, do folks really want MORE pony talk?

Synopsis sourced from io9:

In the two-part episode “A Canterlot Wedding,” the kingdom is in a frenzy preparing for the wedding of Princess Celestia’s niece, Princess Cadance, to Twilight Sparkle’s brother, Shining Armor. However, Twilight Sparkle discovers a dark secret about the bride that could ruin her brother’s “happily ever after.”

The Hub channel has been building up to the Royal Wedding MLP season finale since the beginning of the month. We knew there was a royal wedding in it (one of the biggest cliches in the whole Princess trope), and that none of the Mane Six characters were the ones getting married, but that’s it. Parties, interviews, poster signings and even stacks of screenshots on Facebook, but no spoilers! Good thing too because holy CRAP did things get real. Cliches are just clay to these writers.

Multiple fan mare-a-thons ran all night leading up to the show at noon CST. The livestream I watched ran for 24 hours and maxed out at over 6200 viewers; there were at least a dozen formally announced livestreams, and viewing parties all over the world: folks held house parties and even rented out bars in Seattle, Vegas, Houston, MD, London, Australia, and some poor lone brony posted from Vietnam.

Screenshots collected from Facebook:

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/04/royal-wedding-album-on-mlp-facebook.html

Inside the Royal Wedding live event:

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/04/inside-my-little-pony-royal-wedding.html

Livestream and discussion page:

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/04/canterlot-wedding-discussionsstreams.html
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Pteryxx

21 April 2012 at 3:46 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Some good news (from HuffPo, sorry):

Earlier this afternoon, following a screening of the documentary Bully at the White House, the Obama administration officially endorsed the Student Non-Discrimination Act.

The Student Non-Discrimination Act would provide students with explicit federal protections by establishing a comprehensive prohibition against discrimination and harassment in all public elementary and secondary schools across the country based on a student’s actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. Importantly, the legislation also protects students who associate with LGBT people, including students with LGBT parents and friends.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-thompson/student-non-discrimination-act_b_1441772.html
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 3:54 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Lurching into life…it’s Zombie Duckie!

Well, it’s a start anyway. 9 hours of stitching today and I’m taking a break. My fingers *hurt*.
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niftyatheist

21 April 2012 at 4:06 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine, that zombie ducky is awesome! Beautiful needlework, too.
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kristinc, ~bitter and resigned~

21 April 2012 at 4:07 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I’ll join cecily in singing Hallelujah, because I found a sunscreen that doesn’t burn and sting! The Vanicream brand was my last resort, and I’ve used it twice now without problems, so I just have to hope it stays that way.
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Ogvorbis: Insert Appropriate Appelation Here

21 April 2012 at 4:10 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

So why are Ponies okay, but horses anathema?
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 4:14 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine:

Lurching into life…it’s Zombie Duckie!

OMG, teh cute!
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The Sailor

21 April 2012 at 4:26 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sailor Jerry’s Spiced Rum, which is a little lighter (in colour, flavour and alcohol)

SJ is 92 proof, so I’m thinkin’ it’s got enough alcohol.

My favorite is Pussers, but my local doesn’t carry it. And it’s past my price point, except when I’m at a bar. and it’s a safe bet they don’t carry it. But if you ask for a brand they don’t have, they pour extra nice when you settle for a lessor brand.

My drink at the moment is 1 part rum, 1 part pineapple juice, 2 parts orange juice. With a sprinkle of fresh ground nutmeg, (sorry, Nutmeg;-), and I may have more than one.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 4:26 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

niftyatheist:

Caine, that zombie ducky is awesome! Beautiful needlework, too.

Aaw, thank you. That makes my fingers feel better. :)

Audley:

OMG, teh cute!

Hee. You’ll be glad to know the tradition of bleeding on a zombie destined for you has been maintained. I was thinking about stitching Zombie Loves You! in alienese underneath…
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 4:33 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

The Alienese cracks me right up! I giggled when I saw it on the punk duckie. ♥!
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birgerjohansson

21 April 2012 at 4:33 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Feminist porn awards in Toronto this weekend
— — —
Re. why is there no rum left?

Standard answer: “A big boy did it and ran away” (British book title)
— — — —
Space mining startup set for launch in US http://phys.org/news/2012-04-space-startup.html
When the infrastructure and resource base becomes independent of Earth, I can do a Hugo Drax and eradicate the ground-living maggots! BWAHAHAHA!
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The Sailor

21 April 2012 at 4:34 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

kristinc, woo hoo!
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Caine, I like the Zombie duck even more then the punk duck. 2k stitches/hour!?
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Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan

21 April 2012 at 4:37 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Yay for Zombie Duckie!
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Nutmeg, one other thing: About the water – don’t drink it all in one go (although doing so after pretending dry heaves might, er, help with convincing people to let you go, should you then show signs of further stomach upset). Sip it, stare listlessly at the glass for a while, sip again.
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kristinc, ~bitter and resigned~

21 April 2012 at 4:39 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Oh, here’s your WTF for the day: son was marching in a parade, a “junior” parade so it consisted in large part of the local preschool co-ops and so on. One of the groups that marched was “A Simple Wish Princess Preschool.” Yes. Princess preschool.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 4:41 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Audley:

The Alienese cracks me right up! I giggled when I saw it on the punk duckie. ♥!

Oh good! Zombie Loves You! in alienese then. :D

The Sailor:

Caine, I like the Zombie duck even more then the punk duck. 2k stitches/hour!?

Thank you, I ♥ the Zombie Duckie m’self. Around 2k stitches an hour, which isn’t all that fast. What I have done so far is in the neighbourhood of 20,000 stitches, so maybe a bit more than that. This is why my fingers, they is dying. ;)
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Serendipitydawg (e sup iτ =1)

21 April 2012 at 4:46 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I really like the concept of a Bender’s Ducky thought a Hubert Farnsworth wouldn’t float too well with the spectacles and a Leila would be quite disturbing XD

With reference to swans, the UK has had a recent swan related fatality… can’t find the link but this one mentions it and certainly lays to rest any possible attributions of urban myth to these stories.

My nemesis, the cat who bit my hand, was finally caught in the trap and has been treated by our vet… he really is a one eyed feline now, though we aren’t going to have to watch him die of some horrible infection. The vets have kindly contributed the labour and nursing pro bono and we have financed the drugs. Eeek. I wish people would take care of their pets; mind you, he may have just strayed far from home. It would have helped of he had been chipped.

Tim Minchin on BBC R4 extra – excellent.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 4:52 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Serendipitydawg:

I really like the concept of a Bender’s Ducky

Bender’s Duckie is up next. Under that one, in Alienese, it will say “Property of Bender Bending Rodriguez”.
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Serendipitydawg (e sup iτ =1)

21 April 2012 at 4:58 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Bender’s Duckie is up next.

Splendid. I stand in awe of your patience and I will watch out for the picture.
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Nutmeg

21 April 2012 at 5:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Hey, good news!

Someone is actually teaching boys about sexual consent, healthy relationships, not raping women, etc.

The program looks a little more focused on traditional gender roles than I’d like, but it’s still a big step up. And it’s happening in Alberta! I’m kinda shocked.
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Serendipitydawg (e sup iτ =1)

21 April 2012 at 5:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Damn… hit submit instead of preview…

I admire the skill of embroiderers – my mum tried to teach me but I was never adept with a needle. I did learn to knit and Mrs S taught me to crochet when we were first married, but I have never got beyond the ability to hem my jeans and blanket stitch a patch on the rough ones when I wear the arse out of them XD
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Nutmeg

21 April 2012 at 5:06 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

PTI:

About the water – don’t drink it all in one go (although doing so after pretending dry heaves might, er, help with convincing people to let you go

You sound like you speak from experience here…
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cm's changeable moniker

21 April 2012 at 5:08 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Why is the rum always gone?

Because if you quote it correctly, you can get bouncy Euro-house:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImcvtJzIK8

(and Depp, Knightley)
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 5:08 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Serendipitydawg:

I did learn to knit and Mrs S taught me to crochet when we were first married, but I have never got beyond the ability to hem my jeans and blanket stitch a patch on the rough ones when I wear the arse out of them

I can’t grok knitting to save my life. I tried, when I was a kid, more than once. I did learn to crochet and tat, but I just don’t have the patience for them.

Outside of handstitching, my sewing skills are non-existent. Almost everyone in my family had outstanding sewing skills, truly amazing skills. Me? If I’m in the same room with a sewing machine, a black hole of hideous forms immediately.
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carlie

21 April 2012 at 5:09 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Threadrupt! Will try to catch up.

Was in another town for a few days that had a big Goodwill (we don’t have one in our town). Got a cookie press for a dollar! And it was in a good condition original box, which is that awesome late 70s/early 80s dark brown background with swoopy yellow letters style. :D Score!

Have to share a little happy story. I’ve been background depressed for the last few months just because things seem so crappy everywhere, and people are crappy, and all the news is people being crappy and politicians being crappy. But I just spent three days with a bunch of governance people, and damn it all but it’s a big group of people who care and who are working their asses off for nothing to try and make their corner of the world a better place. All of you are those people too, but it was so good to physically go somewhere and see a whole roomful of those people in action. It was just kind of inspiring, you know? Was a nice antidote.
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NuMad

21 April 2012 at 5:13 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

The word cutlery is so close, yet so far, from resembling cuttlefishery.

—

KG,

But since you are using “physical” in its current sense, you would still have been shown to be wrong in asserting that there is no non-sphysical stuff. Hence by admitting the possibility, you also admit that you are wrong in claiming that non-physical stuff is logically impossible.

I don’t see your point at all. If people get it into their heads (more widely than they already do) that energy, as opposed to matter, isn’t physical does that mean that energy fits into the category of what I call “non-physical stuff,” therefore proving me wrong?

As far as I can tell, “non-physical stuff” doesn’t have any hypothetical possible characteristics. Calling something previously unknown “non-physical” would be a purely arbitrary exercise. I can’t imagine a scenario in which we’d look at something and say “hey, this does X and Y and is Z therefore it matches the description of something that is non-physical” rather that classify into the all-inclusive category of the physical by default. Because there’s no such proposed identifying characteristics.
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carlie

21 April 2012 at 5:14 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Because if you quote it correctly, you can get bouncy Euro-house:

Dammit, I was going to post that.
My cool cred quotient shall not be raised today. :(
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The Sailor

21 April 2012 at 5:17 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

@ Caine – “I’ve got blisters on me fingers!”

p.s. I’m listening to A Prairie Home Companion, it’s in Nashville TN this week. I’ll probably have blister on me fingers before the show is over. I like playing along on my gitbox, especially when no one can hear me.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 5:21 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Glad you’re feeling better, Carlie. We all need that sort of thing now and then.

A Goodwill opened up in Bismarck about a year ago and we keep forgetting about it, it’s in a part of town we aren’t in much. Congrats on the cookie press, that’s a real find.
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Serendipitydawg (e sup iτ =1)

21 April 2012 at 5:26 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine:

I can’t grok knitting to save my life.

I was taught at infant school aged 5 and I think I was the only boy who persevered and learned to do it reasonably well. Oddly enough, knitting was quite common among boys in the midlands, indeed, many coal miners knitted quite prolifically… go figure. It probably helped that my mum was a demon knitter so I had a home advantage. Mrs S’s family were all demon knitters though she was also really into crochet and tatting, along with embroidery (in her heyday, her mother’s embroidery skill was such that the front was indistinguishable from the back).
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 5:37 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Serendipitydawg:

(in her heyday, her mother’s embroidery skill was such that the front was indistinguishable from the back).

That good, I’m not. I do know people who are that good, though. Back to knitting, a lot of men knit. I think it’s one helluva handy skill to have. Mister always ends up wandering around JoAnn’s, waiting on me and lately, he’s been eyeballing the knitting section. He likes the needles. Heh. I’m thinking about getting him some knitting basics for xmas. He already mailles (as in chainmail), so I think he’d take right to it.
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cm's changeable moniker (because ln(-1) = iπ)

21 April 2012 at 5:51 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

s-dawg: (e sup iτ =1)

Tau? What? This is a typological emergency!

ln(-1) = iπ

That should copy and paste. ;)
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Serendipitydawg (e sup iτ =1)

21 April 2012 at 5:54 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine:

He already mailles (as in chainmail), so I think he’d take right to it.

That sounds like a very specific skill… knitting should certainly be up his street with the results warmer in winter and more generally wearable.
Oh well, time for some sleep – first night I don’t have to wake up to take medication so I am looking forward to some deeeep slumber.

Goodnight all.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 5:57 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

BBC America is showing the original Planet Earth series.

I LOVE ELEPHANTS.
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Serendipitydawg (e sup iτ =1)

21 April 2012 at 5:58 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

cm:

I like tau because it equates to 1 though when I finally get my mathematical tattoo, I will go for Euler’s identity using π and live with the -1.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 6:01 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Audley – speaking of the Duckies, it’s been driving me a bit crazed that the quilt will fit eight, because there’s really nine I want to do. I expect I can fiddle with it all to fit nine, but if I can’t, would you be broken-hearted if I sacrificed Super Duckie so I could do Vampire Duckie?
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 6:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine,

so I could do Vampire Duckie?

OMG, yes! :)
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chigau (バフーン)

21 April 2012 at 6:04 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I don’t remember not knitting.
I don’t remember not reading.
I don’t remember why I thought I shoul post this comment.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 6:05 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Audley:

OMG, yes! :)

YES! Thank you. :D
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Josh, Official SpokesGay

21 April 2012 at 6:05 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Does anyone know how to scroll to the top and bottom of page with and android tablet? It’s really, really tedious to flick the screen on long threads. Is this a functionn of the operating system? The browser?
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opposablethumbs

21 April 2012 at 6:06 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

@ cm and carlie

Because if you quote it correctly

I have zero cool cred m’self, but that particular moment strikes a chord deep within my non-existent soul; yea verily the rum is, indeed, always gone and I have, I daresay, probably (almost) always already drunk it.

I would drink to your respective healths but I have, of course, no rum.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 6:13 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sorry, Josh. If there’s a way page up/page down with a ‘Droid device, I haven’t found it yet. :(

If anyone else knows, I’m dying to find out, too.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 6:15 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

(Which is why I wish PZ would bring back the “jump to the end” linky.)
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carlie

21 April 2012 at 6:33 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine – just checked and the copyright on the bottom of the press box is 1979 – now I’m happy to know that I dated it right. :D
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chigau (バフーン)

21 April 2012 at 6:35 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Dr. Audley #160
Yes!
I want a “jump to the end”.
I also want a “jump to the top”.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 6:38 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Hmmm, my nook has page up/page down and so do the two browsers I downloaded, Maxthon and Puffin.
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'Tis Himself

21 April 2012 at 6:38 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

When I was in a submarine there was one guy on board who knitted. He made himself an Irish fisherman sweater in six months. Everyone else was impressed.
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 6:41 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

ln(-1) = iπ

Only if you specify the principal component – Ln(-1), I guess.
$ln(-1) = \{(2z+1)\pi i |z \in \mathbb{Z} \}$ is the correct way of doing it, if I recall correctly. Though perhaps $\in$ is better than =.
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 6:46 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Incidentally, I’ll be in Birmingham International Airport from 9 to 11 on the 23rd of October. Anyone wanna come feed me breakfast?

A snack in Toronto between 15 and 17 on the 15th is doable as well. Who brings the poutine?
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 6:47 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I should finish knitting my wool so I can start knitting something with it.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 6:48 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine,
I keep thinking that the Kindle’s Silk browser* has got to have a quick page up/down, but damned if I can find it. And the user guide was no help.

*Which works phenomenally like the mobile Chrome browser, go figure.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 6:49 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

‘Tis:

Everyone else was impressed.

I’m impressed. That’s serious knitting.
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Mr. Mattir, MRA Chick

21 April 2012 at 6:50 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Of late, I’ve taught more teen boys to knit than girls – they discover really quickly that it calms the fidgets and makes sitting through boring or irritating stuff more tolerable. Spinning, though, is even more relaxing than knitting, as well as being weirder and thus better for the image. And it’s way easier to do while standing in line at stores.

Today I was supposed to be teaching a scouting class on plant biology. None of the wretches who’d signed up showed up, so I got to spend the day removing exotic invasives at the park where I work, while listening to audiobooks. Hiking around for the whole day talking about the various random things I know about plants would have been nice, but so was fooling around with pruners and those 3 prong cultivator gizmos.
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Mr. Mattir, MRA Chick

21 April 2012 at 6:52 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sili, will there be a repeat of the days at museums this fall? That’d be awesome.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 6:54 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Me:

And the user guide was no help.

Amazon’s Kindle help section and teh Goog have been useless, too.

*sigh* I’m starting to think you can’t page up/down on the damned thing.
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The Sailor

21 April 2012 at 6:58 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

There are worse things in life than listening to Emmy Lou Harris play tribute to Levon Helm in the Ryman Theater.
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John Morales

21 April 2012 at 6:58 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

NuMad @143,

KG,

But since you are using “physical” in its current sense, you would still have been shown to be wrong in asserting that there is no non-sphysical stuff. Hence by admitting the possibility, you also admit that you are wrong in claiming that non-physical stuff is logically impossible.

[1] I don’t see your point at all. [2] If people get it into their heads (more widely than they already do) that energy, as opposed to matter, isn’t physical does that mean that energy fits into the category of what I call “non-physical stuff,” therefore proving me wrong?

1. It’s a philosophical argument based on the definitional basis of what constitutes physicality.

2. Energy is physical under any ontology meaningful to our reality, and also very closely related to matter (as Einstein famously determined).

(PS Ain’t science freaky? Now we know about dark varieties of each)
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 7:01 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Well, I’ve found page up/down ‘Droid keyboard shortcuts (which after a quick test work, but still seem pretty fucking useless as opposed to just scrolling), but that’s not very useful for a device with only a touch screen, is it?

Josh! What the hell kind of tablet are you using?
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'Tis Himself

21 April 2012 at 7:01 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

If God intended you to use a Kindle then he’d never have let Apple invent the iPad.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 7:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Audley, I did a bit of searching and found this for the kindle:

Not sure if you knew this but if you hold alt and use the up/down/left/right arrows it scrolls the page, might help a little in the mean time.

From here.

On the nook, there are little translucent up/down arrows on the far right side of the web browser.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 7:04 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

‘Tis:

If God intended you to use a Kindle then he’d never have let Apple invent the iPad.

Bah. The iPad is for suckers.
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 7:10 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine:
There’s just a small problem– the Kindle Fire has no keys, just an on/off button. I didn’t realize that any of the Kindle models that had physical keys allowed you to browse the ‘tubes. Huh.

Honestly, not being able to page up/down on the Fire didn’t even irritate me* until Josh brought it up. :D

*It does on my phone, though. Grrrrrr.
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'Tis Himself

21 April 2012 at 7:13 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

There are worse things in life than listening to Emmy Lou Harris play tribute to Levon Helm in the Ryman Theater.

Here’s “The Weight” from The Last Waltz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCw3-YTffo
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'Tis Himself

21 April 2012 at 7:14 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I just have Kindle on my PC, so I have no trouble navigating.
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Caine, Fleur du mal

21 April 2012 at 7:15 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Audley:

There’s just a small problem– the Kindle Fire has no keys, just an on/off button.

I thought they meant the keys on the virtual keyboard. I dunno, I’m lucky I figured out how to navigate around my nook.
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 7:17 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Sili, will there be a repeat of the days at museums this fall? That’d be awesome.

I’d love to, if you’ll have me.

But I wanna see MoMA and/or the Metropolitan this time round.

I know I could spend another three days at the AMNH, but I really should expand my horizons. Do we have an artistic Pharyngulista who can do for art what DDMFM does for fossils?

Ooooh. And the Met has Carmen, Otello and Il Trovatore on that week. It doesn’t look like I can afford anything but standing room, though.

Oh. I’ll be visiting the week before Rhinebeck this time, rather than the week after.

Speaking of his Marjanovićiness, we’re chatting about going to Köln and rooming together in case anyone want to join.
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 7:19 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

I’m sorely tempted to get a Samsung Note, or alternatively the Galaxy Tab.

Anyone here have any experience? Or just opinions for that matter?
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Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart, purveyor of candy and lies

21 April 2012 at 7:20 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Caine:
The help is appreciated!

Obviously, no matter how much I use my Kindle, I’m still figuring the damned thing out. :)
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niftyatheist

21 April 2012 at 7:21 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

(Which is why I wish PZ would bring back the “jump to the end” linky.)

Me too!!
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Sili

21 April 2012 at 7:30 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Today’s puzzle completed 53 Secs

W00t!!

(Helped that there was only one colour today.=
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cm's changeable moniker

21 April 2012 at 8:04 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

But I wanna see MoMA

Yes.

You do.

You really do.

It’s quite possibly my favourite place in Manhattan.
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PZ Myers

21 April 2012 at 8:18 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

NEW THREAD!