1. Owlmirror says

    Checking Wikipedia, I see that Ramadan falls nowhere near December (currently) — this year and next it is May-June.

    Diwali (Hindu) is at least a little closer, being in October or November (October, this year).


  2. chigau (違う) says

    I don’t even know how to say this to you but
    I think you may have missed the point

  3. file thirteen says

    The point is that JC’s birth was historically nowhere near December; the church moved it there to coincide with the winter festival. Happy Halloween.

  4. John Morales says

    Not sure what the point is supposed to be — I guess it’s mocking Trump’s claim that “Merry Xmas” is back, since that’s a political cartoonist.

    (Obviously, holidays ≠ Holy days any more)

  5. file thirteen says

    A: “Merry Christmas”
    B: “But I’m not a christian!”
    The point (as I now understand it, hopefully I got it right this time) is that “Merry Christmas”, in written or spoken form, can now be spangled around everywhere without non-christians being permitted to take offence, because “war over”. So, Happy Kwanzaa.

  6. John Morales says

    Fair enough — that’s in line with my supposition. At least here in Oz, I’ve never noticed non-Christians taking offence at it, since it refers to a holiday period (as per my previous parenthetical), not to anything particularly religious. It’s a phatic expression.

    Apparently, Festivus is getting traction among non-religious people, as well.

    (Also, I just looked Kwanzaa up, and it indeed explains a lot)

  7. Owlmirror says

    @John Morales: The whole issue of the “War on Christmas” is a mostly United Statesian whackaloon manufactaversy.
    As it says currently on :

    “People are proud to be saying Merry Christmas again. I am proud to have led the charge against the assault of our cherished and beautiful phrase.”
    — Trump
    — percentage of Americans who think “Merry Christmas vs Happy Holidays” is a real issue
    — percentage who think it was made up for political purposes

    Although Wikipedia has claims that Canada and the UK have had similar foofaraws.
    After a bit of searching, I found the source for the poll numbers: Quinnipiac University National Poll. Methods:

    From December 13 -- 18, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,230 voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 3.3 percentage points, including the design effect. Live interviewers call landlines and cell phones.

  8. KG says


    Haven’t noticed anything of the kind in the UK…

    Actually, that’s not entirely true now I think about it. Nothing about what you wish others around the winter solstice, but May came out with some blather about how we should take pride in the country’s Christian heritage -- you know: expelling the Jews, burning each other at the stake, the War of the Three Kingdoms*, Battle of the Boyne, the Gordon riots, the Black and Tans, sectarian murders in northern Ireland -- that sort of thing.

    *”English Civil War”: much of the action took place in Scotland and Ireland, the latter including the really serious religious massacres.

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