I don’t usually listen to the kind of media that would subject me to Christmas carols — I MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE STATION, a very Dad thing to do — but I found this one, and I will accept it.
I find Christmas carols generally tedious (if not actually obnoxious, e.g., “Drummer Boy”), but this one has won my approval. Charmingly upbeat. Splendidly snarky.
davidc1says
@1 For a really ,really ,really stomach churching example of Little Drummer Boy ,you should (you really should ,honest ) try and find the godawful bing crosby ,and David Bowie version from 1977 .It is on youtube ,go on i double dare you .
PaulBCsays
@2 Can’t say I was looking for one. (I really hate that song.)
I like the old carols (God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen) and some religious ones. (Not a faith thing, just familiarity.) I usually struggle to find anything I enjoy, but the Ella Fitzgerald album “Ella Wishes You a Swinging Christmas” hits all the marks. What can I say? This is not a time when I wish to be challenged. The new stuff is mostly crap.
wzrd1says
We’ve been fans of Randy’s work for quite some time now.
Mostly off topic, but this inspired me to put on some appropriate music, and…
To face unafraid the plans that we made.
Am I the only one who imagines a noir backstory to Winter Wonderland. They did say they were going to “conspire”, and the bit with the snowman parson sounds awfully shady to me. Clearly in denial about something. What’s next, a snowman divorce lawyer?
What I’m imagining is an affair to be consummated with a spousal murder and a massive insurance payoff. Maybe the last Winter Wonderland they’ll experience before fleeing to Barbados. You could definitely spin this into a dark holiday classic.
blfsays
Another really really stomach-aching bile-frothing spittle-inducing rendition of a seasonal song is the recent (this year) Jon Bon Jovi version of Fairytale of New York. As Irish musician Rob Smith said, “[…] It’s the worst thing to ever happen music, and I am including both the murder of John Lennon and Brian McFadden’s solo career in there. This is worse! Thanks a lot, Jon. Kid’s crying now saying ‘Christmas is ruined’.” The YouTube video has (currently) only 1.4K likes and 6.2K dislikes (yea, yea, I know, YouTube comments and all that…). Ouch ! Oh my ears… I myself have not been able to listen to that travesty all the way through.
lumipunasays
blf – there’s also a Finnish parody of the official Finnish lyrics of “Santa Claus is coming to town”. Some lines in my free translation:
You better not touch, you better not hug
A plexiglass window might stop the bug
Santa Claus is not coming now
…
You better not sneeze, you better not cough
Or the response from people is rough
Santa Claus is not coming now
In other news, I’m happy because I just found the Finnish version of “Walking in the air” I heard live in a church years ago:
whheydtsays
My general take is that Christmas music is horribly overdone. Secondly, everyone who does a new version seems to think they have to tinker with it make it “new” or “different”, almost invariably making the song worse.
All that said, besides Randy’s filk, there have been some other good treatments, as well. There is old British version the “The Twelve Days of Christmas” that starts with..
The first time I made it up,
The demi said to me,
There’s one metal more in group III.
And ends with…
Better take up Physics.
IIRC, the penultimate one is:
What was that explosion?
microraptorsays
Christmas music is definitely overdone. Drummer Boy, White Christmas, Santa Baby, and It’s Cold Outside are the worst offenders, IMO.
And yes, I have all of the usual objections to consumerism
The commercialisation of an ancient religion
And the westernisation of a dead Palestinian
Press-ganged into selling Playstations and beer
But I still really like it
PaulBCsays
@12 Yeah, that xkcd is a valid observation. I draw the line on canon somewhere in the mid-50s. My father actually liked Jinglebell Rock if I’m not mistaken, which seemed little unusual for him (can’t say it ever did much for me as a child in the 70s). Nobody in our family liked Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree as far as know (but I haven’t polled). Feliz Navidad is “novelty” in my book along with Grandma Got Run Over by Reindeer. And I am too old to wrap my head around the idea of Mariah Carey’s 1994 Christmas album as “classic.” (But give me a couple more decades. She’s in the running. You can do a lot worse.)
All that said, the traditional ones still feel a lot more Christmassy to me, including the religious ones, and a little Latin (“Venite adoremus”) doesn’t hurt.
I think what I can’t stand about Little Drummer Boy is that it’s not pure fluff like Frosty the Snowman (and Ella does a great rendition of that as well as Santa Claus is Coming to Town… “Look at that crazy red suit”). It has religious pretensions but it’s pure kitsch. OMG it sucks. It is the absolute worst.
consciousness razorsays
@12 Yeah, that xkcd is a valid observation.
Another one: for many, it just boils down to the lyrics. For instance, would PZ otherwise be interested in a (non-parody) version of “Rudolph” by Randy Rainbow? Doubtful. Tim Minchin always gets an honorable mention around these parts too, for similar reasons. Or look to basically every comment here so far.
So, okay, maybe you like or dislike whatever you think the words are supposed to mean. Maybe it’s a message you want to endorse or reject for some reason. Fine, whatever. You have views about some lyrics, and you can have them. It’s bound to happen. But if you think it’s like reading the contents of this thread, which consists of words, then you seem a bit confused about what this whole “listening to music” thing is about.
But if you think it’s like reading the contents of this thread, which consists of words, then you seem a bit confused about what this whole “listening to music” thing is about.
I’m very naive about music to be sure, but the reason I enjoy Ella Fitzgerald’s renditions is her phrasing… at least I think I’m getting this concept right. There’s nothing very special about Frosty or Santa Claus, but she gets me swinging along to her swinging Christmas. This is definitely about music, not meaning, even if I’m not coming at it with an expert ear.
Same, I would say, as I imagine carolers singing God Rest Ye Merry Gentleman or a church choir singing Adestes Fideles. I’m not looking for insight or even snark. The words can’t be totally off the point, but they’re not my focus in this case.
That said, the satires will always be there. People can like them if they want. I simply have incredibly boring tastes in Christmas music, nearly fixed in time as suggested by the xkcd comic.
captainjacksays
KG @ #18
+1
There’s also “Deck Us All With Boston Charlie”.
evolutionaryautisticsays
Randy is amazing. My mom loves him now. Thank you for introducing us.
Rob Grigjanissays
My favourites, same as the last N years;
Pentangle’s rendering of the Cherry Tree Carol.
The National Chamber Orchestra/Choir of Armenia doing Vivaldi’s better known Gloria.
I’m partial to “Christmas at Ground Zero” and “The Night Santa Went Crazy”, both by Weird Al.
John Moralessays
Wouldn’t be Xmas without It’s Beginning to Look A Lot Like Fishmen, and the other carols by the H. P. Lovecraft Historical Society. Much superior to the originals.
gijoelsays
I like Paul Kelly’s ‘How to make gravy.’ You wouldn’t think a letter from a prisoner to his brother would become a Christmas classic, but there you go. Apparently he wanted to do another song for Xmas album, but that song had already been covered. So he wrote this classic instead.
Quite a while ago my bro in law and I got in serious trouble with my extremely Christmasy sister. Family was singing whichever carol ends “In excelcis Deo…” He and I looked at each other and slid into “Day-o! Daaaaay-o! Daylight come and I want go home”. Worth every bit of her displeasure. Funny thing, she’s an atheist too. She just digs Christmas.
jimatkins@27 Funny! I can’t see anyone finding that offensive but whatever. I think Garrison Keillor did that. Not exactly the edgiest Christmas joke ever.
Rob Grigjanissays
PaulBC @29: I can’t see anyone finding puerile humour offensive either. Tiresome, maybe.
robrosays
xkcd didn’t include “Santa Baby” (1953). That’s the only seasonal song that I hear that I can tolerate…once. But by the 2nd or 3rd time I’m over it, and after 20 times I’m nuts. But of course, by that time I’ve also heard “White Christmas”, “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas”, and “Little Drummer Boy” 50 times, so maybe the overwhelm just builds up to a…
Wow! I just realized something! It’s a little over a week to Christmas, and I haven’t heard a single Christmas song. Perhaps there’s an up side to this social distancing, staying out of public places thing. May be the best COVID present I’ll get.
Jazzletsays
I’m partial to “I Wish it Could be Christmas Everyday” by Wizard, in part because of the joy to be had singing it with 30,000 other people in a field in Oxfordshire on a roasting hot August day.
Rob Grigjanissays
Wizzard!
davidc1says
@32 What about Slade ,and their contribution to things that annoy the hell of us every year ?
Anyone heard Cledus T Judd’s epic xmas song “Grandpa Got Runned Over by a John Deere “?
skeptuckiansays
A Message To You Rudy
skeptuckiansays
For the sing-a-long:
Stop your messing around;
Better think of your future,
Time to straighten right out,
Creating problems in town.
Rudy,
A message to you, Rudy.
A message to you.
favogsays
My song this time of year is “Solstice Evergreen” by Spiral Dance. It sounds like a Christmas song but is somehow pleasant any way, and then when you listen to the lyric, it’s (gasp!) pagan. The Holly Lord and the Holy Lord aren’t the same dude. And @25 gijoel; Paul Kelly is awesome. An Aussie I was acquainted with back in the eighties introduced me too him and I’m still feeling lucky about it.
birgerjohanssonsays
Xmas song from Spitting Image 30 years ago when another tory asshole was in power.
(Notice “dole” means unemployment benefits, and UB 40 is the form you need to fill in)
“Santa Claus is on the dole
The UB 40
Santa Claus is on the dole
You might as well be naughty”
birgerjohanssonsays
“It’s Christmas at Ground Zero” is pretty good.
PaulBCsays
favog@37 The Christian message of O Tannenbaum seems a bit tacked on. It is mostly about how nice it is to have an evergreen in the winter.
I’ll have to track down more Paul Kelly to listen to. I liked that song. I don’t know if he ever made an impact in the US (by 1996 I was not looking for new music).
gearloosesays
whheydt @10: Happy memory of a Pete Seeger concert at my high school spring 1957. Google has the lyrics.
birgerjohanssonsays
Achmed the Dead Terrorist made a fine performance of ‘Djingle Bombs’ at Jeff Dunham show.
bravussays
Was singing ‘White Christmas’ to myself this morning, and realising that, in the context of the current resurgence of white supremacism, it kinda hits different.
(I know it’s about snow, but still… “And may all your Christmases be white”…)
bravussays
@#40 I’ll have to track down more Paul Kelly to listen to. I liked that song.”
“To Her Door” was a big hit in Australia and is pretty fundamentally Australian to me, and great: https://youtu.be/P6FF3-SWwsE
But my personal favourite of his is “Dumb Things”, which I think is pretty universal: https://youtu.be/ZR-eTR3Dcps
whheydtsays
Re: gearloose @ #41…
That’s the one. If you were in high school in 1957, you’ve got at least 5 years on me.
favogsays
As for how close Paul Kelly came to US recognition, so far as I know, it was when his song “Dumb Things” (bravus’s fave) was used in a movie when Kirstie Alley’s character went into labor. (I think the movie was “Look Who’s Talking”; I wasn’t actually watching but it caught my attention when I recognized the song.) Others of his that I particularly enjoy are “Little Decisions” (it’s the one that caused my Aussie acquaintance to direct me to Paul’s stuff in the first place), “Forty Miles to Saturday Night”, “Anastasia Changes Her Mind” and “Deeper Water”.
And on the subject of the novelty of a prison-based Christmas song, let us not forget the late, great John Prine’s “Christmas in Prison”.
chigau (違う)says
Fairytale of New York
PaulBCsays
favog@46 I think peak Aussie occurred some time in the mid-to-late 80s. I was certain we were all going to start talking like Crocodile Dundee and demanding vegemite sandwiches. WTF happened?
(Uh we didn’t all have to learn Japanese either, so I give up. I’d love to visit Australia some time though… or Japan, but I think I’d put Australia on the list first given the choice.)
anthonybarcellos says
I find Christmas carols generally tedious (if not actually obnoxious, e.g., “Drummer Boy”), but this one has won my approval. Charmingly upbeat. Splendidly snarky.
davidc1 says
@1 For a really ,really ,really stomach churching example of Little Drummer Boy ,you should (you really should ,honest ) try and find the godawful bing crosby ,and David Bowie version from 1977 .It is on youtube ,go on i double dare you .
PaulBC says
@2 Can’t say I was looking for one. (I really hate that song.)
I like the old carols (God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen) and some religious ones. (Not a faith thing, just familiarity.) I usually struggle to find anything I enjoy, but the Ella Fitzgerald album “Ella Wishes You a Swinging Christmas” hits all the marks. What can I say? This is not a time when I wish to be challenged. The new stuff is mostly crap.
wzrd1 says
We’ve been fans of Randy’s work for quite some time now.
anthonybarcellos says
@2 Bowie himself disliked “Drummer Boy” and did it only out of respect for Bing. Better he had called in sick.
blf says
I mentioned this one previously in poopyhead’s current [Pandemic and] Political Madness All the Time thread, THE 12 DAYS OF QUARANTINE — A Chris Mann Music Parody (video).
PaulBC says
Mostly off topic, but this inspired me to put on some appropriate music, and…
Am I the only one who imagines a noir backstory to Winter Wonderland. They did say they were going to “conspire”, and the bit with the snowman parson sounds awfully shady to me. Clearly in denial about something. What’s next, a snowman divorce lawyer?
What I’m imagining is an affair to be consummated with a spousal murder and a massive insurance payoff. Maybe the last Winter Wonderland they’ll experience before fleeing to Barbados. You could definitely spin this into a dark holiday classic.
blf says
Another really really stomach-aching bile-frothing spittle-inducing rendition of a seasonal song is the recent (this year) Jon Bon Jovi version of Fairytale of New York. As Irish musician Rob Smith said, “[…] It’s the worst thing to ever happen music, and I am including both the murder of John Lennon and Brian McFadden’s solo career in there. This is worse! Thanks a lot, Jon. Kid’s crying now saying ‘Christmas is ruined’.” The YouTube video has (currently) only 1.4K likes and 6.2K dislikes (yea, yea, I know, YouTube comments and all that…). Ouch ! Oh my ears… I myself have not been able to listen to that travesty all the way through.
lumipuna says
blf – there’s also a Finnish parody of the official Finnish lyrics of “Santa Claus is coming to town”. Some lines in my free translation:
You better not touch, you better not hug
A plexiglass window might stop the bug
Santa Claus is not coming now
…
You better not sneeze, you better not cough
Or the response from people is rough
Santa Claus is not coming now
In other news, I’m happy because I just found the Finnish version of “Walking in the air” I heard live in a church years ago:
whheydt says
My general take is that Christmas music is horribly overdone. Secondly, everyone who does a new version seems to think they have to tinker with it make it “new” or “different”, almost invariably making the song worse.
All that said, besides Randy’s filk, there have been some other good treatments, as well. There is old British version the “The Twelve Days of Christmas” that starts with..
The first time I made it up,
The demi said to me,
There’s one metal more in group III.
And ends with…
Better take up Physics.
IIRC, the penultimate one is:
What was that explosion?
microraptor says
Christmas music is definitely overdone. Drummer Boy, White Christmas, Santa Baby, and It’s Cold Outside are the worst offenders, IMO.
microraptor says
Or as xkcd put it: https://xkcd.com/988/
Ray Ceeya says
My personal favorite:
And yes, I have all of the usual objections to consumerism
The commercialisation of an ancient religion
And the westernisation of a dead Palestinian
Press-ganged into selling Playstations and beer
But I still really like it
PaulBC says
@12 Yeah, that xkcd is a valid observation. I draw the line on canon somewhere in the mid-50s. My father actually liked Jinglebell Rock if I’m not mistaken, which seemed little unusual for him (can’t say it ever did much for me as a child in the 70s). Nobody in our family liked Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree as far as know (but I haven’t polled). Feliz Navidad is “novelty” in my book along with Grandma Got Run Over by Reindeer. And I am too old to wrap my head around the idea of Mariah Carey’s 1994 Christmas album as “classic.” (But give me a couple more decades. She’s in the running. You can do a lot worse.)
All that said, the traditional ones still feel a lot more Christmassy to me, including the religious ones, and a little Latin (“Venite adoremus”) doesn’t hurt.
I think what I can’t stand about Little Drummer Boy is that it’s not pure fluff like Frosty the Snowman (and Ella does a great rendition of that as well as Santa Claus is Coming to Town… “Look at that crazy red suit”). It has religious pretensions but it’s pure kitsch. OMG it sucks. It is the absolute worst.
consciousness razor says
Another one: for many, it just boils down to the lyrics. For instance, would PZ otherwise be interested in a (non-parody) version of “Rudolph” by Randy Rainbow? Doubtful. Tim Minchin always gets an honorable mention around these parts too, for similar reasons. Or look to basically every comment here so far.
So, okay, maybe you like or dislike whatever you think the words are supposed to mean. Maybe it’s a message you want to endorse or reject for some reason. Fine, whatever. You have views about some lyrics, and you can have them. It’s bound to happen. But if you think it’s like reading the contents of this thread, which consists of words, then you seem a bit confused about what this whole “listening to music” thing is about.
PZ Myers says
#12: to be fair, we could add more recent atrocities to that list, like whatever those songs by Wham and Mariah Carey are.
JoeBuddha says
Current fave for me:
KG says
My favourite Christmas Carol – Tom Lehrer’s.
PaulBC says
CR@15
I’m very naive about music to be sure, but the reason I enjoy Ella Fitzgerald’s renditions is her phrasing… at least I think I’m getting this concept right. There’s nothing very special about Frosty or Santa Claus, but she gets me swinging along to her swinging Christmas. This is definitely about music, not meaning, even if I’m not coming at it with an expert ear.
Same, I would say, as I imagine carolers singing God Rest Ye Merry Gentleman or a church choir singing Adestes Fideles. I’m not looking for insight or even snark. The words can’t be totally off the point, but they’re not my focus in this case.
That said, the satires will always be there. People can like them if they want. I simply have incredibly boring tastes in Christmas music, nearly fixed in time as suggested by the xkcd comic.
captainjack says
KG @ #18
+1
There’s also “Deck Us All With Boston Charlie”.
evolutionaryautistic says
Randy is amazing. My mom loves him now. Thank you for introducing us.
Rob Grigjanis says
My favourites, same as the last N years;
Pentangle’s rendering of the Cherry Tree Carol.
The National Chamber Orchestra/Choir of Armenia doing Vivaldi’s better known Gloria.
WMDKitty -- Survivor says
I’m partial to “Christmas at Ground Zero” and “The Night Santa Went Crazy”, both by Weird Al.
John Morales says
Wouldn’t be Xmas without It’s Beginning to Look A Lot Like Fishmen, and the other carols by the H. P. Lovecraft Historical Society. Much superior to the originals.
gijoel says
I like Paul Kelly’s ‘How to make gravy.’ You wouldn’t think a letter from a prisoner to his brother would become a Christmas classic, but there you go. Apparently he wanted to do another song for Xmas album, but that song had already been covered. So he wrote this classic instead.
https://youtu.be/iYqIF2XkqKU
PaulBC says
gijoel@25 That’s a great song! It doesn’t exactly say Christmas to me, but it’s very touching.
jimatkins says
Quite a while ago my bro in law and I got in serious trouble with my extremely Christmasy sister. Family was singing whichever carol ends “In excelcis Deo…” He and I looked at each other and slid into “Day-o! Daaaaay-o! Daylight come and I want go home”. Worth every bit of her displeasure. Funny thing, she’s an atheist too. She just digs Christmas.
jimatkins says
And for anybody in the Menorah Mood-
PaulBC says
jimatkins@27 Funny! I can’t see anyone finding that offensive but whatever. I think Garrison Keillor did that. Not exactly the edgiest Christmas joke ever.
Rob Grigjanis says
PaulBC @29: I can’t see anyone finding puerile humour offensive either. Tiresome, maybe.
robro says
xkcd didn’t include “Santa Baby” (1953). That’s the only seasonal song that I hear that I can tolerate…once. But by the 2nd or 3rd time I’m over it, and after 20 times I’m nuts. But of course, by that time I’ve also heard “White Christmas”, “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas”, and “Little Drummer Boy” 50 times, so maybe the overwhelm just builds up to a…
Wow! I just realized something! It’s a little over a week to Christmas, and I haven’t heard a single Christmas song. Perhaps there’s an up side to this social distancing, staying out of public places thing. May be the best COVID present I’ll get.
Jazzlet says
I’m partial to “I Wish it Could be Christmas Everyday” by Wizard, in part because of the joy to be had singing it with 30,000 other people in a field in Oxfordshire on a roasting hot August day.
Rob Grigjanis says
Wizzard!
davidc1 says
@32 What about Slade ,and their contribution to things that annoy the hell of us every year ?
Anyone heard Cledus T Judd’s epic xmas song “Grandpa Got Runned Over by a John Deere “?
skeptuckian says
A Message To You Rudy
skeptuckian says
For the sing-a-long:
Stop your messing around;
Better think of your future,
Time to straighten right out,
Creating problems in town.
Rudy,
A message to you, Rudy.
A message to you.
favog says
My song this time of year is “Solstice Evergreen” by Spiral Dance. It sounds like a Christmas song but is somehow pleasant any way, and then when you listen to the lyric, it’s (gasp!) pagan. The Holly Lord and the Holy Lord aren’t the same dude. And @25 gijoel; Paul Kelly is awesome. An Aussie I was acquainted with back in the eighties introduced me too him and I’m still feeling lucky about it.
birgerjohansson says
Xmas song from Spitting Image 30 years ago when another tory asshole was in power.
(Notice “dole” means unemployment benefits, and UB 40 is the form you need to fill in)
“Santa Claus is on the dole
The UB 40
Santa Claus is on the dole
You might as well be naughty”
birgerjohansson says
“It’s Christmas at Ground Zero” is pretty good.
PaulBC says
favog@37 The Christian message of O Tannenbaum seems a bit tacked on. It is mostly about how nice it is to have an evergreen in the winter.
I’ll have to track down more Paul Kelly to listen to. I liked that song. I don’t know if he ever made an impact in the US (by 1996 I was not looking for new music).
gearloose says
whheydt @10: Happy memory of a Pete Seeger concert at my high school spring 1957. Google has the lyrics.
birgerjohansson says
Achmed the Dead Terrorist made a fine performance of ‘Djingle Bombs’ at Jeff Dunham show.
bravus says
Was singing ‘White Christmas’ to myself this morning, and realising that, in the context of the current resurgence of white supremacism, it kinda hits different.
(I know it’s about snow, but still… “And may all your Christmases be white”…)
bravus says
@#40 I’ll have to track down more Paul Kelly to listen to. I liked that song.”
“To Her Door” was a big hit in Australia and is pretty fundamentally Australian to me, and great: https://youtu.be/P6FF3-SWwsE
But my personal favourite of his is “Dumb Things”, which I think is pretty universal: https://youtu.be/ZR-eTR3Dcps
whheydt says
Re: gearloose @ #41…
That’s the one. If you were in high school in 1957, you’ve got at least 5 years on me.
favog says
As for how close Paul Kelly came to US recognition, so far as I know, it was when his song “Dumb Things” (bravus’s fave) was used in a movie when Kirstie Alley’s character went into labor. (I think the movie was “Look Who’s Talking”; I wasn’t actually watching but it caught my attention when I recognized the song.) Others of his that I particularly enjoy are “Little Decisions” (it’s the one that caused my Aussie acquaintance to direct me to Paul’s stuff in the first place), “Forty Miles to Saturday Night”, “Anastasia Changes Her Mind” and “Deeper Water”.
And on the subject of the novelty of a prison-based Christmas song, let us not forget the late, great John Prine’s “Christmas in Prison”.
chigau (違う) says
Fairytale of New York
PaulBC says
favog@46 I think peak Aussie occurred some time in the mid-to-late 80s. I was certain we were all going to start talking like Crocodile Dundee and demanding vegemite sandwiches. WTF happened?
(Uh we didn’t all have to learn Japanese either, so I give up. I’d love to visit Australia some time though… or Japan, but I think I’d put Australia on the list first given the choice.)