I’m going to try it again. I’m scheduling it for 10am Central time on Saturday, 30 June, in the usual place, Google+. I think that works for a large part of the world; west coasters will have to be up early at 8am, it’s late afternoon/early evening in Europe, and evening for Australia (you can check your time with this Time Zone Converter.)
I’m experimenting with the format still. I’d like to have some regulars confirm that they’ll be available then, so I know we’ll have a core of people to chat, but I’m also going to make it public, so anyone can join in, up to the limit of 10 participants. Who knows? Maybe we’ll get a creationist trolling through.
Which would be appropriate. The theme will be “Creationists say the silliest things” — come prepared with your favorite/goofiest creationist arguments, and tear it apart in a few minutes on air.
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reynoldhall
25 June 2012 at 12:41 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Mind if I pop in? I might to able to contribute a bit to “creationists say the silliest things” if I can dig up some stuff.
Sastra
25 June 2012 at 1:00 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Still working on getting a new computer…
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort
25 June 2012 at 1:25 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I could contribute as an ex-creationist… but holy fuck I would be so scared to broadcast my face to the Internets attached to my nym.
A. R
25 June 2012 at 1:31 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Kat: you can turn off your camera or put some tape over it. I’ve done that in the past and it works quite well.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort
25 June 2012 at 1:47 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
@AR:
Or use some kind of stand-in.
Why yes, in real life I am a Cthulhu plushie.
johnberg
25 June 2012 at 1:52 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
8 AM is early? Only an academic could assert something like that.
Caine, Fleur du mal
25 June 2012 at 1:53 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Great subject. My all time favourite creationist gem is an oldie, Hovind’s T-Rex and the Pumpkins:
I just can’t get past the stuffed pumpkins.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort
25 June 2012 at 2:00 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
@Caine:
What’s weird about stuffed pumpkins? T-Rex was a gourmand. Some nights he would eat a stuffed pepper filled with a little risotto. I’m sure that Mister Rex and I would get along swimmingly.
“Please pass the pepper, this pasta is scrumptious.”
“Oh yes, here you go, my good man. I like the carrots and celery, you don’t even need to add in any meat.”
PZ Myers
25 June 2012 at 2:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I got past the pumpkins to the chlorophyll-stained 70 million year old fossils, and then I died.
PZ Myers
25 June 2012 at 2:05 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I suppose if people are shy about appearing on Google+, they could leave their silly creationist tales here, and I could read the best of them on-cam.
Caine, Fleur du mal
25 June 2012 at 2:08 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Kat Lorraine:
Yabbut, who was stuffing the pumpkins? I don’t recall anything in the bible about Adam & Eve running a dino diner.
chigau (違う)
25 June 2012 at 2:09 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Kitty
What a great idea!
Everyone could do that!
Esme could stand-in for Caine.
Josh could use a package of KraftDinner.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort
25 June 2012 at 2:11 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
@PZ:
Oh it has nothing to do with being shy. It just has to do with posting my face to one of the most read blogs on the subject of atheism ever, possibly outing myself to a possibly unwelcoming family. Heck, I am a great public speaker, I just don’t wanna get all outed.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort
25 June 2012 at 2:12 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
@Caine:
Oh you’re so silly.
T-Rex was stuffing them.
Those little stubbly arms are perfect for stuffing pumpkins.
Caine, Fleur du mal
25 June 2012 at 2:20 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Chigau:
:falls over laughing:
Audley Z Darkheart, reducing all men to their pee-pees since 1981
25 June 2012 at 2:22 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
chigau:
:D Yes!
This topic sounds awesome. I’ll be there to watch it live!
Sili
25 June 2012 at 2:27 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Is none of the regulars a beagle?
thunk = ∫ SQRRAWK! d(MQG)
25 June 2012 at 2:27 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
That’s just before I wake up.
Too early.
A. R
25 June 2012 at 2:30 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Hmm I do have an Ebola plushie I could use. (Why yes,I do have a collection of GiantMicrobes)
Antiochus Epiphanes
25 June 2012 at 2:38 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Hovind’s steamed broccoli is freshly verdent every time. The secret is in the *magic*.
'Tis Himself
25 June 2012 at 3:07 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I won’t be able to join in this podcast because of a prior commitment.
ButchKitties
25 June 2012 at 3:13 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I wish I could find the pamphlets I picked up from the Creation Museum (they had a booth at a Cincinnati Reds game).
My favorite was their explanation of how we know the Flood was a global flood. It had to be a global flood, because local flooding just doesn’t make any sense. To demonstrate why it doesn’t make sense, the pamphlet showed an illustration of a giant cube of water sitting on a featureless plain. Water doesn’t just form a giant cube unless it’s inside a giant cube container, hence global flood!
It doesn’t explain how my car was destroyed in a flash flood at the southwest side of my apartment complex while cars parked in the northeast lot were perfectly fine, but I’m sure that’s just because I don’t have enough faith. Or something.
madarab
25 June 2012 at 3:37 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Does anyone remember dancing greenland from Christian forums?
Rawnaeris
25 June 2012 at 3:53 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I’m going to be at work then darn.
Hmmm I’ll see if I can write up some of the stuff I listened to today, and post that.
Rawnaeris
25 June 2012 at 4:07 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Oh, and I love the idea of using plushies as stand-ins.
Antiochus Epiphanes
25 June 2012 at 4:43 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I’d love to do one of these except I’m lousy at conversing with people in real time*.
Fur realzies, though, the most wildly wrong creationist of all times is Carl Baugh, director of The Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Texas.
You should just see if he would be willing to do the pod-cast so you can get it all from the horse’s mouth. His schtick is a number-one-stunner, I shit you not.
*Plus there are three of me.
Kel
25 June 2012 at 4:48 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I like to laugh at creationist arguments.
Antiochus Epiphanes
25 June 2012 at 4:51 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Serious. Hovind is the very picture of sober reflection next to the antics and shenanigans of Carl Baugh.
There is a giant statue* of Tom Landry there. As he would have appeared in the antedeluvian great pressurized oxygen dome.
*Like 9 feet tall. Depends on one’s interpretation of giant I guess. In my book, anyone who can dunk is a giant.
mabell
25 June 2012 at 6:54 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
@Caine:
I refer you to the gospel of Peter Peter: “he put her in a pumpkin shell and there he kept her very well, until the T-Rex crushed her with his nasty chlorophyll-stained teeth”
bortedwards
25 June 2012 at 7:11 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
This has probably already been covered at length somewhere, so apologies if I’m reinventing the wheel. Is there any chance the audio could be posted on iTunes or similar? It’s something I’ love to listen to on the bus.
Cheers all
george3
25 June 2012 at 7:38 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Now be fair. You all know the Flintstones was a documentary. Ouch! WHO threw that? I’m so going to enjoy this, ordering popcorn now.
transcendentape
25 June 2012 at 7:40 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
My favorite all time creationist saying has to be that evolution violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Anyone that repeats this idiocy demonstrates both an ignorance of evolution and basic physics, as well as a willingness to reject evidence based explanations of the world around them in favor of vapid statements that seem to support their belief in fairy tales. My brother-in-law, not two hours after throwing this nugget at me, proudly showed me how he had modified his truck to use its battery to generate Hydrogen through electrolysis and feed that Hydrogen into the carberator to increase his mileage. I finally got him to admit that he hadn’t noticed an increase in mileage, but he blamed insufficient Hydrogen production. I told him that perhaps he should ask god to evolve his engine, and the blank look on his face was priceless.
Tony... therefore God
25 June 2012 at 7:45 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Katherine:
Oh it has nothing to do with being shy. It just has to do with posting my face to one of the most read blogs on the subject of atheism ever, possibly outing myself to a possibly unwelcoming family.
[emphasis mine]
I did not know this. Wow.
It sucks that you have that hanging over your head.
Jessa
25 June 2012 at 7:46 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Antiochus Epiphanes:
As in the former Dallas Cowboys coach? Really?
Oh wait. Nevermind. I see that it’s in Texas. Of course Tom Landry would be revered as a god.
Tony... therefore God
25 June 2012 at 7:47 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
thunk:
That’s just before I wake up.
Too early.
I think I’ll still be awake…
DLC
25 June 2012 at 10:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I know! get PZ and the group to act out some Chick tracts!
do they have one on Creation ?
Mike
25 June 2012 at 10:59 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
8 in the morning on a saturday???? Aww hell, I’ll set the alarm
chigau (違う)
25 June 2012 at 11:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
…get PZ and the group to act out some Chick tracts… using Plushie microbes!!!
rorschach
26 June 2012 at 12:45 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I can do Saturday. It’s just that I have nothing interesting to say ! There was that one thing with the beating heart that I can’t quite remember…
helensotiriadis
26 June 2012 at 1:03 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
count me in!
throwaway
26 June 2012 at 3:39 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
There’s that one about bumblebee wings, therefore god holds them magically aloft. Or something. Not really a creationist claim but it’s biological nonsense. It’s usually trotted out to discredit science “knowing” everything.
Anyway, looking forward to the discussion.
jonnyscaramanga
26 June 2012 at 5:49 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I am there. If I were any more there, I’d be there already. Count me in.
And Antiochus Epiphanes, you’re right. Carl Baugh is the most spectacular of them all. I have some videos of his I downloaded that I’m planning to quote-mine for just this purpose.
Unfortunately, I’ve already made most of the most hilarious Creationist arguments I know public on my blog, but I’m sure I’ll find more.
petrander
26 June 2012 at 8:02 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I would like to join either this time or some future hangout, PZ, if you are interested in a Dutch/Danish perspective on creationism and/or religion.
I am not sure what to talk about, however, because religion really does not pose a threat to secular society at all in these parts. I was very active battling Dutch creationism until a few years ago (link), and, living in Denmark now, it is really kind of boring on the frontline here. But I suppose that is the kind of boring that many American atheists long for.
BTW you may not remember this, but together with you I was one of the contributing authors to an attempted collation of rebuttals against Wells’ “Icons of Evolution” some 10 years ago (link).
Of course, I could talk about the earlier stirrings of creationists in the Low Countries, or the censoring of David Attenborough documentaries mentioning evolution by a public TV corporation, or the recent controversy on gay marriage in Denmark. Take your pick! :-)
Cheers,
Fedor Steeman
Minnie The Finn, qui devient bientôt vierge
26 June 2012 at 9:59 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I’m in, if you need an extra voice. I don’t even need a plushie stand-by, I look like one already.
Not many creationists here, but the ones we have sure are funny.
Dhorvath, OM
26 June 2012 at 10:04 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Plushie Minnie? Oh hell, and I have to work. Phoey!
theophontes (坏蛋)
26 June 2012 at 10:19 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
@ chigau/A.R
Is this not an opportunity to seize away the repressive state propoganda apparatus of Pharyngula on behalf of the TZT Politburo? We might have to shanghai Minnie into the avante guarde in order to storm the ramparts.
Minnie The Finn, qui devient bientôt vierge
26 June 2012 at 10:50 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
theophontes (坏蛋) @46:
You make it sound as if you’re planning to use me as a battering ram. Or maybe ammo for the trebuchet.
Either way, glad to be of assistance!
theophontes (坏蛋)
26 June 2012 at 11:19 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
@ Minnie
Your commitment to The Cause is noted. Promotions are in order.
chigau (違う)
26 June 2012 at 11:20 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment
theophontes
What’s the plan?
Keep in mind I won’t be photographed or audio recorded.
or go outside without my tinfoil hat.
hellboundallee
26 June 2012 at 12:17 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I’m really interested to see how this goes. I’m going to do a public hangout with members of my local community soon. I’d like to know how it goes adding new people to the hangout in succession. You know, how smoothly it goes letting one person in and letting another go. Also I’m not certain about the chat situation yet. I haven’t played much with this app.
Be sure and go into “effects” and put pirate hats and beards on everyone, ok?
Owlmirror
26 June 2012 at 2:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Say, PZ…
Don’t you have an iPad Touch filled with Creation videos?
Or did you nuke them all?
Owlmirror
26 June 2012 at 4:17 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Hum, I have a copy of the original Titanoboa! on my drive.
Alan Clarke-isms:
(Whew, that’s only up to comment #198 out of 912… I could go on…)
Minnie The Finn, qui devient bientôt vierge
27 June 2012 at 3:42 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I just realized I have a terribly slooooow internet connection here in the sticks. So I guess that kinda rules me out, doesn’t it? Unless there’s a way to drop the streaming rate for me without spoiling it for everyone else, or something.
Nevermind, I’ll return back to the hyper-fast connection sometime in September, I’m sure there will be many many more podcasts =)