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Jun 21 2012

Bill Donohue sticks his foot in his mouth again

He’s such a charming fellow. A rabbi in New York wrote an op-ed in which he defended the right of women to make their own choices about reproduction, and in reply, Donohue called him a “man full of hate” and issued a veiled threat.

Donohue responded with a note to Waskow that launched an email exchange that ended with a warning, forwarded to BuzzFeed by a source close to the rabbi, that "Jews had better not make enemies of their Catholic friends since they have so few of them" (Donohue writes that this is a saying of Ed Koch, the former mayor of New York).

Those Jews. Everyone hates ‘em, so they better not cross the few Catholics who are willing to let them live, I guess.

But wait, there’s more!

Donohue also includes a postscript saying, "I do not have a long nose."

Donahue also raised a recent child abuse scandal in Orthodox Jewish communities.

“You need to do something about this epidemic right now,” he told Waskow, who is not Orthodox, suggesting that Jews follow the Catholic Church’s reforms in dealing with clerical abuse.

Wait, what? The Catholic church is now the model in how to handle priestly child-rapers? Please, no, not that…anything but that.

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  1. 1
    Goodbye Enemy Janine

    Just don’t be a secular Jew. Bill does not like them.

    (Look up his rant about The! Passion! Of! The! Christ!)

  2. 2
    Gyeong Hwa

    I hate, HATE, Bill Donohue.

  3. 3
    Anthony K

    I hate, HATE, Bill Donohue.

    Relax. It’s a sign that you’re a normal, ethical human.

  4. 4
    Jeff

    Godsdammit. I just took of the bandaid from all the head-desking I did at the start of the DJ Grothe thing, and now you post this.

    FTB owes me a fortune in hydrogen peroxide and neosporin.

  5. 5
    Gregory in Seattle

    How to be just like Bill Donohue:

    1. Open mouth.

    2. Switch feet.

    3. Chew vigorously.

    4. Go to step 1.

  6. 6
    bbgunn

    How does he get that foot in there when his head is already buried deeply up his ass?

  7. 7
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    Those Jews. Everyone hates ‘em, so they better not cross the few Catholics who are willing to let them live, I guess.

    Ol’ Billy needs to attend one of my in-law’s Passover seders. Every married couple on that side of the family (sans Mr Darkheart and I) consist of a Catholic and a Jew.

    I think his head would explode.

  8. 8
    Loqi

    That last paragraph only makes sense if you replace “something” with “nothing”. Must be a typo on Donohue’s part.

  9. 9
    feralboy12

    It’s a sacrament. You know, the Foot of Christ.

  10. 10
    Brian

    Donohue finishes by writing that “It should be obvious that Rabbi Waskow has a Catholic problem.”

    The whole frickin WORLD has a Catholic problem.

  11. 11
    microraptor

    @ #6

    Bill is apparently an extremely flexible individual.

  12. 12
    ricardodivali having sniffles over stiffles

    suggesting that Jews follow the Catholic Church’s reforms in dealing with clerical abuse.

    You mean:

    a) Send out letters to all jews informing them that they must stay quiet about it.
    b) Blame the gheys.
    c) Have the children who talk of abuse locked up in an asylum and castrated?

    Those catholic reforms?

    I think the last thing the Jews need is to be associated with the catholics… and their “reforms”.

  13. 13
    kagekiri

    Maybe he thinks that sticking his feet in his mouth is emulating Jesus. “Jesus wants us to clean our feet, right?”

  14. 14
    Tualha

    Well, until fairly recently, the Catholic Church was the model in covering up kiddie rapes. They successfully covered up a hell of a lot of them for decades. Maybe that’s what Bill is suggesting the Orthodox communities should do.

  15. 15
    Louis

    I…

    Bill D makes me have to think very, very hard about being a pacifist, almost to the same extent as Vox Day does.

    Louis

  16. 16
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    ricardodivali,

    d) send the abusers somewhere where they’ll have new children to rape

  17. 17
    steve oberski

    “You need to do something about this epidemic right now,” he told Waskow, who is not Orthodox, suggesting that Jews follow the Catholic Church’s reforms in dealing with clerical abuse.

    1) Do not turn in alleged abuser to police – check

    2) Move the abuser to another location – check

    3) We didn’t know any better back then – check

    4) Everybody else is doing it, why are you picking on us ? – check

    5) Blame the victim – check

    6) Ostracise the abused child, their family and any of the community that dare put the blame on the abusing clergy – check

    7) When there is absolutely no other option, force the child and family to accept onerous confidential settlements to avoid criminal and civil litigation – check

    8) Blame aggressive secularism and moral relativism – check

    9) Blame the liberal media – check

    10) Blame the Jews – 9 out 10 ain’t bad

  18. 18
    julian

    “You need to do something about this epidemic right now,” he told Waskow, who is not Orthodox, suggesting that Jews follow the Catholic Church’s reforms in dealing with clerical abuse.

    Oh yeah. Them Catholics know all the best rugs to sweep this sort of thing under.

  19. 19
    jonnyscaramanga

    Is it possible that Bill Donohue is in fact trolling the entire Catholic church?

  20. 20
    ricardodivali having sniffles over stiffles

    Thank you Beatrice, I couldn’t possibly keep up with all the atrocites of catholocism without help.

    Is it possible that Bill Donohue is in fact trolling the entire Catholic church?

    The irony hole. Stupidly deep. Stupidly wide.

  21. 21
    Aquaria

    Up is down and black is white in Bill’s World. And it’s always extremes.

    Everything in dumbass Donahue’s fucked up world is Catholics Yay! Everyone else HATE!

    Jews had better not make enemies of their Catholic friends since they have so few of them

    Newsflash for you bill: There are over 6 billion people in the world. Less than 1 billion of them are Catholic.

    Maybe you sorry-ass pieces of shit are the ones who need to not make enemies for a change.

  22. 22
    Spanish Inquisitor

    I hate, HATE, Bill Donohue.

    I don’t hate anyone, not even Bill Donohue.

    That being said, he does irritate me with his cretinous blatherings and obnoxious defense of an obnoxious religion. But really, the best response to someone like him (and his political counterpart Rush Limbaugh) is to ignore them. If no one listened, if no one reacted, they’d wither and slink away.

  23. 23
    barbyau

    I’m impressed that he is so brazen as to admit that Catholics want to basically exterminate anyone they dislike. You don’t want to make enemies of them! Oh no. They can’t possibly just dislike you but let you be. If Catholics dislike you, there will be a war waged. Just ask gays and women.

    What a lovely “religion of love” they’ve got there.

  24. 24
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    If no one listened, if no one reacted, they’d wither and slink away.

    Except that there are those who listen and agree with him and if the rest of us shut up there will be no opposition to his vileness.

    When has ever “ignore it and it will go away” worked?

  25. 25
    Kamaka

    …the Catholic Church was the model in covering up kiddie rapes.They successfully covered up a hell of a lot of them for decades centuries.

    FTFY

  26. 26
    Spanish Inquisitor

    When has ever “ignore it and it will go away” worked?

    It works for me. I ignore him, and in my life, he is of no consequence.

    If people want to listen to his hard-ons, they’ll listen, and there’s not much we can do about it. But he has no power, he can’t do much except make a lot of noise.

    Rush Limbaugh has the same effect on my life…

  27. 27
    F [is for failure to emerge]

    Beatrice

    When has ever “ignore it and it will go away” worked?

    So far, loads of Catholics just ignore Donohue, and he hasn’t gone away. Even studious ignorance by nominal coreligionists hasn’t helped, so in this case I would think “never” is the answer to your rhetorical question.

  28. 28
    Moggie

    Bill says:

    Moreover, since when is it the business of any religious leader to condemn the strictures of another religion?

    Uh, since… forever? It’s everyone’s ethical duty to speak out against injustice. If we take religion’s claims at face value (I don’t), this duty is heightened, not lessened, when the speaker is one who lays claim to moral leadership, and the injustice is being committed in the name of religion. The Rabbi appears to understand this, but Donohue’s attitude seems to be that religions are like Mafia families: there may be mutual disapproval of some practices, but it’s just business, and you don’t tread on the other family’s turf.

  29. 29
    Louis

    Americans,

    You have the highest murder rate in the civilised world, and Bill Donohue lives.

    You want I should draw you a fucking picture?

    Louis

    P.S. Okay, okay, I am being deliberately hyperbolic for comedy purposes. But the old observation doth run: verily the good die young, but arseholes are eternal.

  30. 30
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    It works for me. I ignore him, and in my life, he is of no consequence.

    If people want to listen to his hard-ons, they’ll listen, and there’s not much we can do about it. But he has no power, he can’t do much except make a lot of noise.

    Rush Limbaugh has the same effect on my life…

    Well, if your only goal in ignoring him is your own comfort, then do whatever you do but please don’t advertise it as some sort of cure-all. Some people agree with him and they do things that hurt people. Those people aren’t me, but I still manage to care. I mean, I’m not even on the same continent as Rush Limbaugh or Bill Donohue. They have no impact on me, except that their rhetoric upsets me because it’s hurting people and that upsets me. I call it empathy, you might have heard of the feeling.

  31. 31
    keenacat

    “I do not have a long nose.”

    THE FUCK TEHFUCK TEEEEEHFUUCK??

    It works for me. I ignore him, and in my life, he is of no consequence.

    You fucking privileged assclown. How nice for you that your live is not influenced by the hatred he and his ilk spew, because women, the poor and minorities (and jews, obviously) are certainly affected.

  32. 32
    Nick Gotts

    If no one listened, if no one reacted, they’d wither and slink away. – Spanish Inquisitor

    You mean just like it happened with that ridiculous German demagogue Hister… Hilter… what was the name again? You know, silly walk, silly mustache, raised a bit of a brouhaha in the years after the Great War, but all the sensible people said just ignore him, and after a bit he was forgotten.

  33. 33
    'Tis Himself

    FWIW, Koch says he never said the comment Donahue attributes to him.

  34. 34
    rizzy

    So, this rabbi: a) supports seperation of church and state, b) supports womens’ right to use contraception if they wish, c) at least has the appearance of giving a shit about people of other religious groups, and d) has pissed off Bill Donahue because of the above.

    I kinda like this guy.

  35. 35
    ricardodivali having sniffles over stiffles

    When has ever “ignore it and it will go away” worked?

    It works…generally… when the person in question is a nobody. Not so much when they have media clout. And by “works” i mean doesn’t hurt the person doing the ignoring.

    Sarcastic condemnation works anytime though.

  36. 36
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    And by “works” i mean doesn’t hurt the person doing the ignoring.

    I have belatedly realized that my rhetorical question is only rhetorical if we observe it in a not totally selfish environment. Meaning, I’m afraid, that you’ve got Spanish Inquisitor covered with the above quoted.

  37. 37
    LykeX

    “You need to do something about this epidemic right now,” he told Waskow, who is not Orthodox, suggesting that Jews follow the Catholic Church’s reforms in dealing with clerical abuse.

    Well, do you want them to do something or do you want them to follow the Catholic Church? Make up your mind.

  38. 38
    Pierce R. Butler

    But you don’t understand!

    Big Bill D was deeply concerned about Rabbi Waskow’s tone:

    Not content to act civilly, he says of the bishops, “For these men, ‘religion’ happens only in the genitals.” In the same article, Waskow cites “Vatican arrogance” for its inquiry into an internal Church matter, i.e., legitimate concerns over a minority of nuns who have gone “beyond Jesus.”

    Besides, they’re all in the same boat:

    “The Catholic League is proud to stand with the Jewish community in this time of unrelenting attacks on both Catholics and Jews.”

    Anyway, Billy D has to stand up for his father who art in Rome:

    Waskow has also said of Pope Benedict XVI [click here], “He was a villain before he became Pope, and he is a villain still.”

    (No link included for that last “click here” because the active part [catholicleague.us2.list-manage.com/%0A828d0] produces only “It seems the page you were looking for has disappeared We’ve recorded this vanishing act and our team of chimp magicians will find the missing link.” (The CL’s perspective on human evolution may stand in need of a refresher course…))

  39. 39
    Joe Felsenstein

    Arthur Waskow is not just “a rabbi in New York”. He’s famous; he’s been outspokenly supporting nearly every conceivable good cause for as long as I can remember. His Wikipedia page hits a few highlights:

    Waskow has taken pioneering roles in supporting the full presence and equality of women and of GLBTQ people in all aspects of Jewish life and religion, including same-sex marriage; in mobilizing opposition in the Jewish and general communities to the Vietnam and then the Iraq wars; in urging a two-state peace settlement between Israel and Palestine; in treating the planetary climate and other environmental crises as a profound concern of Torah, necessitating action by the Jewish community; and in urging the Jewish community to treat the increasing concentration of top-down power by small minorities of the ultra-rich and by giant corporations as the reappearance of “pharaoh” in modern American life. In 2011, he (with Daniel Sieradski) co-inspired the creation of “Kol Nidre in the Streets” as a part of “Occupy Wall Street.”.

    Or you can go to his blog at the Washington Post site and see what he’s up to lately.

    (Of course he is in favor of religion, which might cancel all this out for some commenters here).

    Donohue, who calls Waskow “a man full of hate”, has not got the moral authority of even one of Waskow’s toenails.

  40. 40
    Ingdigo Jump

    That being said, he does irritate me with his cretinous blatherings and obnoxious defense of an obnoxious religion. But really, the best response to someone like him (and his political counterpart Rush Limbaugh) is to ignore them. If no one listened, if no one reacted, they’d wither and slink away.

    That’s idiotic. You’re not their mommy. You can’t remove the positive attention by ignoring them. That doesn’t work.

  41. 41
    Hank_Says

    Minor quibble: PZ, what do you mean by “sticks his foot in his mouth again“? Anyone familiar with Donohue knows that his foot is a permanent resident of that particular cavity, leaving only room for magic zombie-flesh crackers (and exiting bile).

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I can’t imagine anything more outrageously, blindly, hypocritically flat-fucking-out stupid than a fundamentalist Catholic rape-pologist lecturing a rabbi – or anyone else – on their organisation’s abuse problems. Billy, there’s a reason the first picture in my head whenever anyone says “paedophile” is a creepy, sadistic old nonce in a black cassock. No, it’s not because of prejudice against your cult, it’s because of POST-judice being applied to centuries of criminal abuse. I judge your organisation’s managers and CEO as a sinister cabal of malicious rape-enablers due to what they’ve done and because that’s what they are, not due to what I think they’ll do. Furthermore, given the Vatican’s irredeemably shameful and unrepentantly criminal excuse for a response to what has been done, I have good reason to think they’ll continue to do it.

    Bill Donohue, you are a rank hypocrite and a defender and enabler of rapists. Rapists of children. There is no possible denial of that fact.

  42. 42
    Mattir, Another One With Boltcutters

    Fuck you, Bill Donohue. And you go, Arthur! Even though I got very tired of the frequent social justice emails to a list we were both on, I think you are almost always right about the issues you address.

  43. 43
    ck

    Arthur Waskow is not just “a rabbi in New York”. He’s famous; he’s been outspokenly supporting nearly every conceivable good cause for as long as I can remember.

    Well, that just means that he must be stopped by any means possible. After all, the good causes he supports go contrary to Catholic teachings, and everyone must be subjugated to Catholic dogma.

    I just wish Donohue was some quack with absolutely no power. Instead, he gets what he wants annoyingly often.

  44. 44
    Akira MacKenzie

    Anyone familiar with Donohue knows that his foot is a permanent resident of that particular cavity…

    And, of course, Donoohue’s head has also been embedded in his ass since puberty, so that’s really got to be an uncomfortable position.

  45. 45
    robro

    Spanish said, “But really, the best response to someone like him (and his political counterpart Rush Limbaugh) is to ignore them. If no one listened, if no one reacted, they’d wither and slink away.”

    I’ve sometimes had similar thoughts, but I think we need to listen to them and we should speak out about their bigotry and stupidity.

    However, if “ignore” means don’t click links to articles they write or that are written about them and show up on Google News, that might have some negative impact on them. In this age of click-count celebrity journalism, not clicking those links might be the best way to get rid of these assholes. Low ratings hurt their ass.

  46. 46
    Harbinger

    Donohue is the human equivalent of the ouroboros. Instead of a snake devouring its own tail, this moron is a human perpetually shoving his own foot in his mouth.

  47. 47
    Louis

    Foot in mouth, head up arse?

    Sorry, does it make me a pervert that I would pay to see that?

    Louis

  48. 48
    imthegenieicandoanything

    In keeping with the modern trend to expand every possible sub-sub-niche of horrid shitheel into its own genre, saying any one person is, in any general sense, the “worst” person on earth has become impossible.

    Think of what a slimy, evil, baby-killing. self-dehumanized monster Dick Cheney is, then try and compare him with Allen West, or some lower level no-hope-of-evolving-even-into-a-shitheel like Ken Ham. I certainly can’t generalize in any meaningful sense.

    That said, if we go back to the standards of my youth, forty years ago, Bill Donahue is the most horrid shitheel on earth today. And, without a doubt, he OWNS his niche as solidly as Donald Trump owns his – perhaps the only two never^to-be-topped-while-alive horrid shitheels living today.

    When Bob dies, I get to chuckle without guilt before forgiving and forgetting him as a person, and despising every action he ever took in a life of stupidity and evil in the service of an evil organization.

    May he explode spontaneously while in the presence of the Pope, or while eating with a “Republican” member of the Supreme Court.

  49. 49
    Stella

    “Man full of hate”, eh? That’s some quality projection there.

  50. 50
    robster

    Is Ol’ Bill trying to be like the god/jesus thing he and his ilk all seem to bother about? The god/jesus thing is a violent hate filled bigot, so why not Bill?

  51. 51
    cccbccc

    I’m not exaggerating when I say it took me several minutes to remove my jaw from the dropped position. I don’t know why I’m still surprised by this sort of jackassery, but I am.

  52. 52
    DLC

    An Unbelievable Fantasy :
    Someone says something reasonable about having a secular government or secular non-misogyny-having laws.

    Bill Donohue keeps his fucking gob shut, instead of shitting out his miserable, pious, hate-filled mouth.

    The world rejoices.

  53. 53
    khms
    If no one listened, if no one reacted, they’d wither and slink away.

    When has ever “ignore it and it will go away” worked?

    Oh, it works just fine — if you can convince everyone else, so that it’s really no one who listens and/or reacts.

    In the case of someone who already has followers, that takes actual work – which includes listening and reacting.

    Which is also why “don’t feed the trolls” worked just fine in small, technical Usenet groups, and not at all pretty much everywhere else. Some algorithms just don’t scale, as we say in IT.

  54. 54
    sundiver

    There is an upside to Bill Donahue in that every time he opens his mouth he probably drives a few people away from the RCC and in one case known to me personally, he drove someone into atheism. As she put it to me, ” I can’t associate with people like that. They’re too hateful.”

  55. 55
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    “Jews had better not make enemies of their Catholic friends since they have so few of them”

    Or maybe its a sign that Catholics need to listen to more Jewish people and make more friends rather than disgusting everybody with hateful, stereotypical, fecal spewings like that vomiting out of Bill Donohue’s mouth?

    Maybe Catholics could ask themselves why they don’t have more Jewish friends and look into their cult’s history and even present perfomance?

  56. 56
    demonax

    Mr D’Onohue should be created Cardinal . Their robes are so much easier to slip out of than trousers. He gets a fun hat too, to go with his nose.

  57. 57
    kp71

    It’s hard to decide which of our “‘faith’ leaders” is the most odious shitbag, but Donohue is in the running.

  58. 58
    What a Maroon, el papa ateo

    There is an upside to Bill Donahue in that every time he opens his mouth he probably drives a few people away from the RCC and in one case known to me personally, he drove someone into atheism. As she put it to me, ” I can’t associate with people like that. They’re too hateful.”

    There’s no upside to people like Donahue. The world would be much better off without him and his ilk, even if that meant that the Catholic church lived on as a more or less harmless superstition, along the lines of avoiding black cats.

    There is an upside to the reaction to him (cf your acquaintance), but the only useful purpose Donahue serves is as a repository for dead and decaying porcupines.

  59. 59
    Worldtraveller

    Louis@47, I think that’s actually fairly far down on the list of things that make you a pervert! I’m sure there are quite a few in line ahead of that.

  60. 60
    shadow

    Sarcastic condemnation works anytime though.

    It’s also more fun!

  61. 61
    Hershele Ostropoler

    Audley Z Darkheart @ 7:

    Ol’ Billy needs to attend one of my in-law’s Passover seders. Every married couple on that side of the family (sans Mr Darkheart and I) consist of a Catholic and a Jew.

    My girlfriend and I are a Catholic and a Jew, by heritage, but since she’s non-practicing and divorced and she lives in sin with a Jew and puts sugar in her porridge I don’t think Donohue would count her as Catholic.

    mandrellian @ 41:

    I can’t imagine anything more outrageously, blindly, hypocritically flat-fucking-out stupid than a fundamentalist Catholic rape-pologist lecturing a rabbi – or anyone else – on their organisation’s abuse problems.

    Lecturing said rabbi on an almost completely unrelated organization’s abuse problems? There’s only one Roman Catholic Church but the branches of Judaism — and individual congregations, for that matter — are autonomous. There’s no organization that every rabbi is part of by definition that’s covering up abuse, the way all priests are part of the Church.

  62. 62
    pelamun, the Linguist of Doom

    nothing to add to the train wreck that is Bill Donohue, but Louis, “civilised world”? Really, did you really had to go there?

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