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  1. Adama Maneuver says

    testing

    Sorry, for those who might care, I (Mr. Fire) am not morphing to avoid anything, I’m just fussing over this new ‘nym that I’m trying out.

  2. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    PZ, you need to drop your mild-mannered college professor alter ego. Give us the word, and the good ship Cuttlefish will be built for your pirating activities.

  3. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    Horses are the only animal that needs a style, wait sorry thats stile.

    That, and an exorcism.
    -

  4. Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan says

    Well damn, just rub it in our faces, why don’t you, cuttlefish? “Look at me, I can turn my skin black edged with Day-Glo yellow!”

    Go on being outrageous. Just don’t expect me to not think of calamari when I look at you.

  5. palefury says

    The best I can do is get a bright red face when I work out (one of the joys of having exceedingly pale skin). But I can’t do it in stripes, or make it oscillate like that. Imagine how awesome that would be at parties!

  6. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    Oh yes, even more proof of the infinite superiority of cephalopods to cats.

    OTOH, do you really want cats to have chromatophores?
    -

  7. Kate says

    Okay and test,

    I know cnn is most conservative, but really, warning that content about myths (re: atheist lincoln tunnel) is what? Scary, a homeland alert, a difference of opinion? Fox News I would just shrug my shoulders…am I that naive?

  8. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Imagine how awesome that would be at parties!

    Genetic engineering + humans + flamboyant cuttlefish –> rave kids of the future!

  9. aladegorrion says

    Last thread (I didn’t have time to post yesterday, sorry), thanks Erulóra Maikalambe and KG for reassuring me on the humanity of at least some humans.

    Caine, I really like the Susan bookmark. I first saw Hogfather as a movie on TV sometime around Christmas and it was so delightfully weird. Only later did I read some of Pratchett’s books.

  10. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    SallyStrange: Personally I’d rather be spliced with a blue ringed octopus.

    Because they’re pretty. Yeah. That’s right. Just because they’re pretty. No other reason….

  11. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    No other reason….

    Oh, Coyote. We know you too well by now… if there’s no potential for lethal weaponry involved, your sincere interest is less than likely.

    Thanks for making me google “blue-ringed octopus,” though. Cool! Of course, in such a genetically-engineered future, producing an antidote to the venom from one’s own genetically enhanced glands would probably be a snap. So, back to square one, though still looking very pretty…

  12. says

    Cross posted on PET: I got into an argument with a potential police officer who says “if you didn’t want anything bad to happen to you, you should not have been there” type victim blaming. Now I know which police officer I can count to ignore my rights.

  13. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Yes sallystrange, I guess I’m just an open book like that. :)

    Speaking seriously, they are incredibly beautiful. Blue is one thing, I happen to love blue, but that electric blue just takes it up a few levels.

    I’ve always wished there was a small, aquarium-sized, freshwater, easy-feeding captive bred octopus or cuttlefish of some sort available on the market. Sadly, such does not exist, despite life’s seemingly endless diversity.

    Still, a man can dream.

  14. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Gyeong Hwa: I know it’s just anecdata and opinion, but almost everyone I’ve known whose talked about wanting to be a police officer has been kind of a douche.

  15. aladegorrion says

    Caine, I am thinking I should watch it again this December, as I recall starting somewhere in the middle of it. Maybe I’ll acquire a couch and/or more chairs so I can introduce some friends to it.

  16. says

    Laughing Coyote:
    Oy, tell me about it. I’m glad I know at least one sane (former) police officer though.
    Oh her Mormon friends just said “things are worse in other countries, so you’re lucky”. Damn Facebook.

  17. aladegorrion says

    Whoa, blue-ringed octopus venom and its effects are CRAZY. Wikipedia says it is from bacteria that actually live in the octopus and in the other critters that have the same toxin. Biology rocks. On that note, good night!

  18. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Whoa, blue-ringed octopus venom and its effects are CRAZY. Wikipedia says it is from bacteria that actually live in the octopus and in the other critters that have the same toxin. Biology rocks. On that note, good night!

    Biology rocks

    QFT. Religion never came close to the sense of wonder it gives me.

  19. says

    ahs:

    Anybody heard from llewelly lately?

    Yes, he posted not long ago. He did post a couple of months ago, saying that a new job and other day to day life business meant he’d rarely have time for Pharyngula. Something had to give, and that something was posting here, unfortunately.

  20. says

    This seems worth reposting, from Cliff Hendroval:

    Sorry to burst in, but there’s a poll that could use a little pharyngulization. The governor of Oregon has just announced that he is suspending all executions in the state. One of the big Portland (the main media market in the state) TV stations has a poll asking if you support this suspension. According to an Oregon buddy, because of the media concentration in the state, these polls are actually taken somewhat seriously. Anyway, the current results are running [56-41] in favor of state-sponsored murder. The poll is here, should you be so inclined as to vote.

  21. says

    Thanks, Caine!

    Yes, he posted not long ago. He did post a couple of months ago, saying that a new job and other day to day life business meant he’d rarely have time for Pharyngula.

    Ah, well, as bad news goes, that’s pretty good news.

  22. chigau (本当) says

    gad
    I go off to meat-space for a few hours and miss tons o’ fun.
    and sad
    Anne McCaffery

  23. says

    Ah, Anne McCaffery. I loved her when I was 19, but as she and I got older her books got glurgier and glurgier until I couldn’t stand them. Must be time to reread some old ones, in memoriam.

    Speaking of books, I just reread On Stranger Tides, after maybe 2 decades. Very interesting after seeing the latest Pirates movie – the credits list it as “inspired by”, not even “based on”, the Tim Powers book. Well, the connection is extreeemely loose; in fact very hard to spot at all. And the book has zombie pirates, which is notable since the first PotC movie had zombie pirates, but the one supposedly based on a book with zombie pirates? No zombies!

    Oh well. Both were fun, but the Powers is deeper and richer and does some pretty damn good quantum voodoo magic, with nice science shout outs.

  24. says

    Does anyone have a link to the custom FtB killfile handy ? I just reinstalled my OS on an SSD, and cant seem to find it. Btw, this is a friggin revolution, this thing is so fast it’s unbelievable.

  25. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Caine: Nice. Red is the baby’s favorite color too. I’m pretty partial to it myself.

  26. amblebury says

    I have really fond memories of McCaffrey too, luckily I must have avoided the later stuff.

    This household recently discovered Tim Powers too, (at PZ’s recommendation.) Brilliant stuff, only one available in the library where I work here, so we’ve been interloaning from all over NZ.

    $5.00 NZD for that service – bargain. We’ve ordered NZ’s only copy of a book of illustrations based on Lovecraft’s work – all the way from Dunedin in the deep south.

  27. chigau (本当) says

    I like blue-greens for everything.
    I like purples (for clothing)(on me).
    I hate yellow and orange (ditto’s).

  28. A. R says

    rorschach: The killfile should be available on the Pharyngula wiki. I gotten quite a bit of use from it this week with all of the authoritarian trolls on the OWS threads.

  29. A. R says

    Colours: I prefer blue and white (preferably vertically striped) for clothing, and green for everything else.

  30. Agent Smith says

    It staggers me how the displays of so many creatures fit right into the comparatively tiny part of the electromagnetic spectrum we can see. The explanation behind it must involve an old man with a beard…

    Blue and white are my favorites. I made my best Magic:The Gathering decks with those.

  31. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    If we’re talking about favorite color combos, then mine is ‘venom/poison’ hands down. (bright green, yellow, orange, red or any combination of the above on a black background).

    Clothing wise, I tend to wear blacks, browns, dark blues and maroons. Bright colors do not suit me.

  32. First Approximation says

    Anybody heard from llewelly lately? Seems it’s been a while.

    He comments on the PET.

    BTW, has anyone heard from Rutee? Haven’t seen much of her.

  33. amblebury says

    There’s Dunedin in Florida too?

    Talk about a climate difference.

    I really like Dunners, my eldest girl is at university there – (home for the holidays now.) Unlike most NZ cities it’s had the sense to retain its old buildings, lots of them are a bit frayed and run down, but it adds to the character. Also, they were built with money from a gold-rush, so they’re pretty impressive.

    Yeah, it’s an edgy cool city, beautiful harbour – just really cold.

  34. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    “Eat your hearts out, rave kids.”

    Shake your ass!

    Hee! Properly rave-ish.

    “Shake your ass” made me think of Richard Cheese, the guy who does lounge versions of pop/rap/heavy metal songs. The first one I heard him on was covering Mystikal’s “Shake ya ass.”

    So thanks for the giggle.

  35. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Apparently Dunedin has some of the steepest streets in the world? On account of them transplanting the street plan from Scotland directly to the Southern hemisphere? Several NZers told me this while I was there. I never got down to see it for myself, though.

  36. First Approximation says

    I know it’s just anecdata and opinion, but almost everyone I’ve known whose talked about wanting to be a police officer has been kind of a douche.

    Unfortunately a lot of the authoritarian type people seem to be attracted that profession.

  37. says

    @Sally,

    Heh. That reminds me of this one time me and some college buddies went to a piano bar in New Braunfels and after the older crowd left we got the guy to shut it down by doing “Spread For Me” by Outkast.

  38. Beatrice says

    Would I rather listen to Janis Joplin on the radio or someone humming to her song in a really annoying, high-pitched tone? Hm, a dilemma.
    People generally get on my nerves. Today, I fell murderous.

    Also, I like most colors, but especially in dark tones. Blue is probably the favourite of the favourites, though. Or purple.

  39. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    My brother wanted to be a cop. Still does, I think, but he has to lose some weight. Anyway, he is a really sweet, gentle guy, but he also has an authoritarian streak–not that he wants to be an authority, but he likes having authority. I’m so glad my family were able to talk him out of joining the army–now he’s an EMT and a firefighter. He likes uniforms and structure and people telling him what to do. Who knows–if he became a cop perhaps he would start acting like an asshole.

  40. amblebury says

    Yes, Baldwin Street, I’ve never heard of the transplanted city plan – but it wouldn’t surprise me.

    I gave birth to said daughter in Darwin Hospital, Aussie. The plans for that building were identical to a hospital built for, and in, deepest, coldest Canada. Idyuts.

    Every year in Baldwin Street they race small, spherical candies called Jaffas down the hill. (They have a chocolate festival – there’s a Cadbury’s factory there.) Reason to love Dunedin no…

  41. Crudely Wrott says

    Deep greens and blues
    Are the colors I choose

    Yet I have two coffee cups. Reddish brown earth tones both. One is redder, the other browner and both hold coffee the same.

    Now, what I am confused about is whether or not PZ can rhythmically coruscate or not. I’d just always assumed he could, being so damned squiddly and all. I’d be delighted if he can and, honestly, only mildly disappointed if he can’t. Probably because I’ve never had the opportunity to examine him close up under controlled conditions. Color me some shade of grey just now.

  42. Ariaflame says

    I prefer non-pastel shades, but also prefer non-dayglo. Purple is good, burgundy type reds also good. But a good rich green or blue is also nice. Orange.. not so much.

  43. Crudely Wrott says

    How ’bout the orange in the sky at sunrise and sunset?

    Sometimes one of my coffee cups reminds me of time; beginnings and endings.

  44. Ariaflame says

    I have one piece of orange clothing. I don’t mind sunset orange, but bright day glo orange? Yuck.

  45. amblebury says

    I have a friend who’s a synasthete – for her, everyone’s name has its own colour. Sarah is a warm lemony yellow, David is a rich chocolate brown etc.

    She recalls talking to a guy who had a pink name, (can’t remember it) who was wearing a vivid green shirt. She just couldn’t get his name out, because the colour was so wrong.

  46. Crudely Wrott says

    Like right now I hear the beginning of a rain shower. It’s tap tap tapping on the metal roof.

    I’ll be sleeping soon and will not hear the end of it. Just knowing that some rain is falling now is sufficient.

    Tomorrow the sun will shine here and the few leaves that still cling to the trees and the ones that lie smooth on the ground will echo my coffee cups and the light of the sun near the horizon. A smooth, soothing spectrum.
    Sleep well, ye horde. May you dream in colors of the earth and of the sky.

  47. says

    MOrning
    I feel like something the cat dragged in.
    Being sick = needing my sleep
    Having sick kids = not getting much of it.

    But I’ve got everything to make more christmas cookies. I’m not relying on the usual baking-marathon I used to have with mum.

    Colours: blue, red, green, purple, even the raspberry-shocking pink. I like bright colours, although yellow and orange don’t feature much.

  48. Carlie says

    First Approximation – Rutee disappeared from the corners of the internet I saw her in quite awhile ago. I tried messaging her on FB a couple of times in the late summer, but didn’t hear anything back. I’m not sure if she was just taking a break or decided that social media just sucked altogether.

  49. John Morales says

    rorschach, you install an OS into a computer system, you only store it into a storage device.

    Seriously, solid state is the way too go, you have to try it ! So fast !

    RAM disks have been around for ages (I ran one in my DOS system around 1981!) — and though OSs are big these days, they still fit into memory. The only speed-up is data access; I suspect you’re just seeing your swap file running on the solid state device.

  50. says

    Katherine Lorraine:

    I only started reading the series (almost through Color of Magic) aaand… I recognize Death… and… maybe Rincewind?

    Yep, you’re right. :) Left to right, they are Granny Weatherwax, The Librarian, Nac Mac Feegles, Death and his granddaughter Susan Sto Helit, Carrot and Sam Vimes of the Night Watch and Rincewind.

  51. says

    The only speed-up is data access; I suspect you’re just seeing your swap file running on the solid state device.

    Nonsense. The SSD has a data throughput of 520 or so Mb/sec. I run a SATA 3 capable motherboard with 1600 Mhz memory, and until today the data transfer rate was capped at around 40Mb/sec. This thing is just beating everything that came before.

  52. pensnest says

    *hits self in head*

    No, Carlie, don’t do that! I clicked on the link you posted and was filled with delight and awe—I’d obviously missed it.

  53. says

    @ Rorschach

    Seriously, solid state is the way too go, you have to try it ! So fast !

    I have my kernel and other important wobbly bits of the OS on a SSD. My /home folders and data on a regular HDD. Oh, and 8GB RAM. Best bang for one’s buck. (Just storing crap on SSD is waaay too expensive.)

    Having said all of that, I usually just hit the power-on and go and make tea anyway. So startup speed is irrelevant. Everything can run in the sea of RAM, so it more than fast enough and lots left over for the virtual machines.

    If I ever have a need for crazy speed, I install puppy linux and get it out of my system.

  54. Ms. Daisy Cutter says

    Walton:

    I don’t [think the Union should have executed the leaders of the Confederacy]. And I find it frightening that you think so.

    Oh, dear. My political opinion has frightened a tedious, verbose upper-class twenty-something who crossed the Atlantic just to move from one ivory tower to another and who somehow manages to support both monarchy and statism. Whatever shall I do?!?

    Guess what, Walton? Sometimes there are no moral choices. There’s only the bad choice and the worse choice. And taking no action at all is a choice, and its consequences might render it worse than any or all of your other ones.

    Quite frankly, I think the lives of a pack of warmongering, slaving elitists are greatly outweighed by those of all the African-Americans who died from Reconstruction up through the present day at the hands of racists, with or without badges or gavels, plus those of people of other races who stood up for them and died for their efforts. And that’s not even touching on how racism has fucked this country over in other ways, such as Southerners giving universal healthcare the thumbs-down in the 1950s because why should those lazy [slurs] get anything free from the gubmint?

    If you’re ever put into a serious position of power in which you’re charged to navigate vast gray areas of morality, FSM help anybody whose life, limb, or livelihood depends on you.

  55. Ms. Daisy Cutter says

    Make that, “manages to support both monarchy and anarchism.” It’s early here.

  56. Birger Johansson says

    Have any others noticed that when you try to read the previous episode of The Thread, you only see 89 comments instead of 889 comments?

    — — — — — — —
    Title of other thread: -Fearweather atheists? I thought atheists were supposed to be storm-like, blowing in and spreading a darkness like the cloud from Mount Doom.

    I have bought Pratchett’s latest Discworld novel but I have postponed reading it, knowing it might well be his last novel.

    Anne McCaffery wrote mostly for a teenage readership, the only novels I liked (I found her books in my twenties) were books 1 and 3 of the crystal singer series. Still, it’s sad that she is gone.
    Was she 66? A surprising number of people I have known or been familiar with have died this year me rely aged 66. Replicants with a pre-set maximum life span?

  57. says

    Is it okay to basically take a story you’ve worked on for several years and redesign it from the inside before your fourth draft is finished? I realized I had a few glaring deficiencies in the story, and it’s to the point where I simply must re-write basically the entire thing – though I have a lot of stuff I’ll keep, vast areas of the book will be gutted / edited / and re-written…

    Frustrating, writing a novel.

  58. Cannabinaceae says

    Caine, Fleur du Mal, @lastTET,

    That is some fine looking big iron. The ice reservoir looks like a good idea for cooling stews down quickly – have you tried that? As in compared to filling a plastic bag with ice and setting it right into the stew?

    For my first use ever of a brining bag, I don’t think I got my technique perfect (couldn’t single-handedly get enough air out to totally submerge the bird, but it’s OK, I just inverted after the 1st 8 hours), but it is well worth the price.

    I ended up putting the turkey/brine filled bag into my 5 gallon soup pot anyway just to sort of compress the bag around the bird, better distributing the liquid, and instantly bonded with it. Moving a 5 gallon tank full of turkey brine from the sink to the fridge invariably involves sloshing, which is a pain in the ass. When embaggened, well, need I say that sloshing is not an option, and the cook simply blunders the whole assembly about as if knowing what they are doing, slosh (NB: this means yucky spills) free.

    Bag appears fairly durable, so I expect to get more uses out of it.

  59. Cannabinaceae says

    Ah, after reading the article, I see that the ice reservoir has to do with the basting. I doubt it would be a good way to cool a stew.

  60. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    STUPID rain!

    *fist shake

    I’ve got two turkey’s to smoke today and it’s raining.

  61. jamesemery says

    Wooooooooooooow, this instance of the thread is remarkably short so far :/ Consider this a delurk ‘n bump!

    Also, how ’bout them turkeys?

  62. Beatrice says

    Also, how ’bout them turkeys?

    There is a local specialty here, called turkey with mlinci. I love it, but what I love even more is the pie I make the next day with the leftovers. I chop up the leftover turkey, add any and all vegetables I can find in the fridge (usually, that’s quite a variety) and fill a big dish with some delicious comfort food. Yum.

  63. says

    Fox News viewers less informed about current events than those who don’t watch news at all, study finds

    You’ve probably seen this story in several venues, but not on Fox News.

    The NY Daily News version notes that, as we suspected, Jon Stewart provides his viewers with more facts, with more news, than does Fox News.

    If Fox News viewers want to be informed about current events, they might as well turn off the TV.

    A poll released by Fairleigh Dickinson University on Monday found that people who get their news from Fox News know significantly less about news both in the U.S. and the world than people who watch no news at all.

    In a survey of 612 New Jersey natives, Fox News fans flunked questions about Egypt and Syria when compared with people who don’t watch the news. Fox viewers were 18-points less likely to know that Egyptians toppled their government and 6 points less likely to be aware that Syrians have not yet overthrown theirs.

    “Because of the controls for partisanship, we know these results are not just driven by Republicans or other groups being more likely to watch Fox News,” Dan Cassino, a Fairleigh Dickinson professor who served as an analyst for the poll, said in the report. “Rather, the results show us that there is something about watching Fox News that leads people to do worse on these questions that those who don’t watch any news at all.”

    Those surveyed also struggled with current events closer to home. Just 47% were able to identify the Occupy Wall Street protesters as predominantly Democratic, while 11% thought they were Republican. Here it was MSNBC viewers who got it wrong the most – watching the left-leaning network was linked to a 10-point increase in the likelihood of misidentifying the demonstrators.

    MSNBC viewers did have a 10-point higher chance, however, of correctly identifying Mitt Romney as a frontrunner in the race for a 2012 GOP nominee. Fox News viewers didn’t benefit — or suffer — in this category, a fact Cassino called “very surprising” given the amount of attention the network has paid to the candidates.

    The most informative outlets were found to be the Sunday morning news shows as well as outlets like the New York Times, USA today and NPR.

    Another powerful source of news was the “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.”

    Stewart’s viewers had a 12-point higher likelihood of correctly identifying the Wall Street protesters, for example.

    “Jon Stewart has not spent a lot of time on some of these issues,” Cassino said. “But the results show that when he does talk about something, his viewers pick up a lot more information than they would from other news sources.”

  64. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    @Rev BDC:

    You can smoke ‘em indoors, can’t you :D

    Yeah you can though it makes the next month or so in the house a bit, um, campfirey.

  65. says

    @ Kitty

    Is it okay to basically take a story you’ve worked on for several years and redesign it from the inside before your fourth draft is finished? I realized I had a few glaring deficiencies in the story, and it’s to the point where I simply must re-write basically the entire thing – though I have a lot of stuff I’ll keep, vast areas of the book will be gutted / edited / and re-written…

    This is absolutely OK. It sounds like you are discovering the “Design Cycle” ex nihil. What you describe is quite normal in designing anything of a complex nature. Essentially the process needs to loop back on itself, carrying the criticisms and ideas generated in the previous cycle (it evolves). It is good to embrace this process and define it’s stages for yourself. Ie: You think not just about the story, but also about how you think about the story.

    My guess (it varies): Aha! —-> write a lot —-> review/ criticise —–> realise you have to adjust (low point)——> Aha2! —–>{repeat endlessly or until you are at peace with the result}

    Frustrating, writing a novel.

    But we are impressed at your courage and stamina (I wouldn’t even try).

  66. ChasCPeterson says

    the displays of so many creatures fit right into the comparatively tiny part of the electromagnetic spectrum we can see.

    Of course it’s because it’s the same part of the spectrum they can see…that everything that can see can see, and that is used for photosynthesis and sensed by plants for seasonal timing purposes etc.
    And that’s because a) it’s the range of wavelengths whose photons pack enough energy to interact with matter (be absorbed) but not enough to damage organic molecules and b) it represents a big chunk of the solar radiation that reaches Earth’s surface.

  67. Cannabinaceae says

    We’re just about to see the end of our latest pelting of rain, the very last of which, at Schloss Cannabinaceae, will be manually sopped up from the dungeon :(

    However, I’m high-roasting so there would not have been rain-related issues anyway.

    A buddy of mine does his smoking in the garage and so doesn’t have rain issues. That is also where he cooks meat in a chamber infused with hot vapors from pyrolyzed wood, so no rain issues there either.

    I may have said this before, but I’m hoping to get him to smoke some mushrooms that I am growing on logs from a tree he just lost, with further wood from said tree, then use the chunk charcoal he is accumulating from smoking other stuff with wood from that tree, to cook the meat part of a meat-and-musshroom dinner.

    Incestuous carbon-neutrality, that sounds fun!

  68. Ariaflame says

    @Birger With the old TET go to the bottom and click ‘older comments’ to get the previous 800.

    And Anne McCaffrey was 85 when she died. Not 66.

  69. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    Yeah Mrs. BigDumbChimp uses the garage as an exercise room so I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t be too happy smelling hickory and apple smoke while doing viṅyāsas for the next few weeks.

    I’m tough, I can handle the rain. I’ll just have to futz with the temp more. Plus it’s ten here and Noon is just around the corner and the fridge is stocked with beer for the Holiday week and visitors and I took Tuesday and today off on top of the Thanksgiving holiday days off.

    I normally do most of the Thanksgiving cooking but this year my Mother in Law just had knee replacement surgery so I’m doing it all. Two smoked turkeys that I’m doing today, fresh made Orange Cranberry Ginger chutney, Fresh baked rolls (Mrs. BDC is doing these), roasted Brussels Sprouts with pancetta, Quinoa with roasted Sweet Potato, dried cranberries and walnuts, Goat cheese potato gratin, and for desert Sweet potato Creme Brulee and the southern staple, fresh coconut cake.

    Then football at our house so I stocked up.

    Dogfish head Chickory Stout
    Dogfish head Imort Ale
    Sierra Nevada Estate Homegrown Ale
    New Belgium Fresh Hop IPA
    Couple of bottles of Allagash Hugh Malone Belgian IPA

    And for the change up and visitors
    New Belgium Prickly Passion
    New Belgium Frambozen

    And one of our local breweries newly canned IPA
    Westbrook IPA

    And the shitty smoker I bought 10 years ago

    Plus, we’re taking my niece to see the Muppet Movie this afternoon.

    Life, sometimes not so bad.

  70. says

    @Theophontes:

    Thankfully it isn’t a complete overhaul of the story. It’s going to require a few minor adjustments (for the better of course) to the story to put things in places they’ll be better.

    For example: previously, the main character was in one forest near a farming town (Tiyris) midway between the cities of Tavsere and Moore. In order for him to be able to meet the princess from Moore and a ranger from a more easterly city (Seiis), the princess and ranger traveled south for a few days to Tiyris for no apparent reason. I have now moved the main character’s tribe to the forest closer to Moore – and here’s the kicker – which was where the princess and ranger met in the first place *facepalm*

  71. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    I like the colour combination of red and black.

    And I am mildly tired of the colour combination of gray, forest green, and cordovan brown.

  72. Richard Austin says

    For you language peeps, this popped up on a /. thread:

    The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

    – James Nicoll

  73. RFW says

    Everyone is missing the point: honorable blogmaster P-zed bitterly laments his drabness and anti-flamboyance, and hopes that we can come up with a solution to his problem.

    It is entirely regrettable that as yet, tattooists cannot insert chromatophores under the client’s skin, so waves of purple are not possible in the present state of tattoo technology, but some makeshifts could fill the gap. Among the ways in which the adorable P-zed could heighten his flamboyance quotient are…

    1. Dye his hair purple and his beard bright blue. An orange moustache would not be out of place.

    2. Always wear tie-dyed hippie-style shirts.

    3. Get those earlobes brought up to date with big holes in them and brightly colored eyelets to keep them open.

    4. Steal a page from the competition and start wearing fancy cowboy boots at all times, a la Jerry Coyne.

    5. A septum spike would be the finishing touch to the ensemble.

  74. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    Yeah Mrs. BigDumbChimp uses the garage as an exercise room so I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t be too happy smelling hickory and apple smoke while doing viṅyāsas for the next few weeks.

    I’m tough, I can handle the rain. I’ll just have to futz with the temp more. Plus it’s ten here and Noon is just around the corner and the fridge is stocked with beer for the Holiday week and visitors and I took Tuesday and today off on top of the Thanksgiving holiday days off.

    I normally do most of the Thanksgiving cooking but this year my Mother in Law just had knee replacement surgery so I’m doing it all. Two smoked turkeys that I’m doing today, fresh made Orange Cranberry Ginger chutney, Fresh baked rolls (Mrs. BDC is doing these), roasted Brussels Sprouts with pancetta, Quinoa with roasted Sweet Potato, dried cranberries and walnuts, Goat cheese potato gratin, and for desert Sweet potato Creme Brulee and the southern staple, fresh coconut cake.

    Then football at our house so I stocked up.

    Dogfish head Chickory Stout
    Dogfish head Imort Ale
    Sierra Nevada Estate Homegrown Ale
    New Belgium Fresh Hop IPA
    Couple of bottles of Allagash Hugh Malone Belgian IPA

    And for the change up and visitors
    New Belgium Prickly Passion
    New Belgium Frambozen

    And one of our local breweries newly canned IPA
    Westbrook IPA

    And the shitty smoker I bought 10 years ago chugging along.

    Plus, we’re taking my niece to see the Muppet Movie this afternoon.

    Life, sometimes not so bad.

  75. Crudely Wrott says

    Little things mean a lot.

    Youngest daughter just made a special stop here to drop off a bouquet of snapdragons for her old Dad who is content to keep looking at them while the world goes by.

    They are pink and yellow and sitting right beside my keyboard. I am so in love.

    .

    (stripped two links from this comment which seemed to be stuck in moderation limbo — apologies for any as yet unseen double post)

  76. says

    @Walton:

    Yep. Princess Mirus Salena – she’s Spiritborn, which is to say, one of a few rare people born with the ability to speak to spirits and whose dreams are particularly prophetic. At 18, though, she’s completely lost the ability to see spirits (she can still sense them) but her dreams are still prophetic. She sort of falls into the “Rebellious Princess Trope (TVTropes) but only in that she doesn’t like being the solution to all her country’s ills.

  77. Cannabinaceae says

    Home appliance note: When we bought our Multibore house, one “benefit” was a warrantee that all major appliances would last at least a year.

    The hot water heater did not do so*. While technically the warrantee will cover the loss, the better contractors (in MD anyway) won’t do warrantee jobs because the warrantee companies are such shits about paperwork and timely payment. However, any number of incompetent contractors apparently can’t find any other jobs but warrantee jobs. Thus we were without a hot water heater for a week, and had a gas leak once the assholes had “finished” their job.

    If there is a warrantee next time I buy a house, I will include asking to not have, and not pay, for it.

    *In an instance of pure luck, we had just sat down in the basement to watch a DVD. As often happened, we heard the water heater kick in. However, there was something different about the sound so I went to investigate. Evidently something had “given” and hot water was leaking all over the place. At least we were able to manage the problem while it was happening rather than waking up to a completed mess.

  78. says

    Lest we should have any doubts that Republican candidates for the Presidency of the USA want to establish a theocracy:

    [Herman Cain said] What we are seeing is a wider gap between people of faith and people of nonfaith. … Those of us that are people of faith and strong faith have allowed the nonfaith element to intimidate us into not fighting back. I believe we’ve been too passive. We have maybe pushed back, but as people of faith, we have not fought back.

    [Rick Santorum said] Unlike Islam, where the higher law and the civil law are the same, in our case, we have civil laws. But our civil laws have to comport with the higher law. … As long as abortion is legal—at least according to the Supreme Court—legal in this country, we will never have rest, because that law does not comport with God’s law.

    [Newt Gingrich said] I am intrigued with something which Robby George at Princeton has come up with, which is an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, in which it says that Congress shall define personhood. That’s very clearly in the 14th Amendment. And part of what I would like to explore is whether or not you could get the Congress to pass a law which simply says: Personhood begins at conception. And therefore—and you could, in the same law, block the court and just say, ‘This will not be subject to review,’ which we have precedent for. You would therefore not have to have a constitutional amendment, because the Congress would have exercised its authority under the 14th Amendment to define life, and to therefore undo all of Roe vs. Wade, for the entire country, in one legislative action.

    Republican candidates went on to recommend that judges should be purged based on public opinion.

    They redefined “freedom” to mean freedom to do what you ought to do according to Christian leaders.

    Santorum wants to abolish the entire Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Michele Bachmann believes using water boarding as an interrogation technique is just fine, and is justified by American Exceptionalism, which is in turn based on Judeo-Christian values.

    This right-wing christian will to impose a sort of sharia law in the name of Jesus was made in public comments at the Thanksgiving Family Forum.

    The National Organization for Marriage posted a video of the whole thing.

    Anything these dunderheads think is “immoral” should be outlawed … according to them. How this plan jives with “small government” is a mystery.

  79. Cannabinaceae says

    Rev, that Chicory Stout is an excellent brew, as is the Allagash. I’d like to try that New Belgium.

    I’m only in charge of turkey, gravy, mashed potatoes, and beer.

  80. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    That post was held in moderation (a bunch of beer links)nso that 10:00 o’clock time has now turned to 11:45 time.

  81. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Rev:

    I’ve had some Allagash beers. Quite good.

    My Thanksgiving Day brews are Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic and some Harpoon Octoberfest.

  82. terryhickman says

    Wow, I had no idea those things were so CUTE! They almost look cuddly! And I’m fascinated with their groovin’. And those cute stubby front…er…whatever-they-ares that they seem to use like hands or front feet? Awesome!

  83. says

    Lynna: Well, I think the only appropriate response here is the old chestnut… the Republicans want government to be so small that it can fit right into your bedroom. (And evidently they also want to destroy the independent federal judiciary.)

    I’m not sure what Gingrich is on about. Robert George is a respected legal theorist – albeit a conservative and reactionary – so I doubt his actual argument was as incoherent as Gingrich’s. Though I just googled and couldn’t find what, if anything, he actually said on the subject.

  84. says

    Walton

    Katherine, your story has a princess? I like it already. :-)

    By now I only hope it’s not contagious ;)

    Cannabinaceae
    When the old washing machine died I had a problem even getting somebody to look at it.

    Well, at the moment there’s no noticable water leaking (we, meaning the radiator, already flooded two floors below ours once. Neither our fault nor our “problem”, but it’s not something you want to do to your neighbours again).

    In case of a warrantee I found out that the best way is to make sure the company understands that this is not my problem. It’s theirs and they’re going to fix it to my satisfaction or they’ll solve it to the satisfaction of my lawyer.

  85. Crudely Wrott says

    Lynna, the mindset of the Republican front crawlers should be deeply disturbing to anyone who takes seriously the exceptional freedom of American citizens from the self-assumed authority that most of humanity has historically lived under.

    Unfortunately, that subset of American citizens seems to be dwindling.

    These . . . “persons”* . . . are not leaders. They are thugs in choir robes.

    *I consider the use of scare quotes well justified under the circumstances.

  86. Dave B says

    Hi all,

    First, should probably make the obligatory long-time/kinda-first-time reader/poster shout-out before my attempts at derailing the conversation here :) Issues of sexism and discrimination have been on my mind a fair bit lately, and in no small part thanks to the writings of PZ and the comments made by the readership and commentatorship here. Enough so that this morning I woke up with a fair bit on the brain, and I need to get some of it down in writing so I can make sense of it. I couldn’t think of anywhere else to put it, not being on facebook or the like, so I’m hoping that here can be an appropriate place to rant and brain-dump.

    I don’t know if background matters, but for the record I was one of the men in the world who, until recently, didn’t think that sexism was a big issue. As far as I knew, the battles had been fought and women had won equality and I was living in a fair, enlightened society here in Canada. The… kerfuffle? fallout? general all-encompassing embarrassment? – that I witnessed here and elsewhere over Rebecca Watson’s comments, comments that should have been a gentle ribbing and not-much-more, woke me up to the situation we’re facing as a society and I think I’m one of the ones who ‘gets it’ now.

    So anyways, my Lady recently started volunteering with a local rape-survivor crisis group as a tech- and social-media-expert. We both grew up in loving families and communities that sheltered us from rape crimes, so neither of us have any experience with rape either first- or second-hand. The group gave us some DVDs to watch on the subject, which we did last night, and are what are prompting me to write out now to get my thoughts in order.

    And though I haven’t read all the comments in all the threads relating to the topic here at Pharyngula, I’ve read enough that I know the sentiments have all been expressed here before in one form or another – so apologies for this lengthy post if you’re just scrolling past to get to the other conversations!

    Anyways, the part of the one video that INFURIATED me the most was the court re-enactment scene. Despite the fact that the video was clearly budget-made and the acting wasn’t anywhere near oscar-worthy it really stuck out. The lawyer interrogating the victim was asking all sorts of great questions, such as ‘What were you wearing,’ ‘Were you wearing a bra?’ ‘Were you wearing panties?’ – all to build the case, of course, that the offender was ‘led on’ or something like that.

    Does that really happen?

    I wanted to jump into the role of the victim’s lawyer and shout, “OBJECTION!! This line of questioning presupposes my colleague’s client has no more control of his sex drive than a stray dog. If this line of defense is allowed to stand I suggest he be locked in the pound instead.” Or alternatively, “My client and I request a brief recess so I can change into waterproof pants, just in case beige is too close to provocative flesh tones that the defense starts humping my leg.”

    And after mentally raping the victim in court with that mockery of justice, the statistic given for convictions? 2%.

    There… just aren’t profanities profane enough to describe my revulsion at how it played out in the video. And from some of the stories the people here shared, I’ve got a feeling it wasn’t overly exaggerated, was it?

    So this morning I woke up realizing I was trying to put together a viable alternate-victim-blaming scenario to walk the offender through, and it went something like this:

    “I’d like you to close your eyes. Imagine that we’re at a golf club, in the lounge, having a beer and keeping an eye on the football scores. A mutual friend of ours has just introduced us to each other, and this is the first time we’ve met but we’re getting along alright. We’re getting along well enough that I ask if you’d like to have a round of golf together, my treat. Would you accept that offer?

    “And most people would probably agree that seems quite reasonable. Now, it turns out that I am a really, really bad golfer. I’m so bad at golf, in fact, that by the seventh hole you’ve had enough and you’d like to leave. Would you agree that you’re justified to walk out and spend the rest of the day however you wanted?

    “Now, what if I objected to you leaving? Would that give me leave to beat you with a 9-iron because you quit the game early? Would any other reason for leaving justify braining you with a golf club?

    “No, certainly not. Would the fact that I paid for your round of golf be grounds for clubbing you with the 9-iron? What about the fact that we both had a beer or two back at the club, and maybe another few drinks out on the fairways? Would that justify my beating you? No? What if you were wearing a truly garish and offensive golfing outfit? What if the outfit was red, and I have a condition where I find red to be so offending that I’m blinded by rage – would my mental condition justify the assault?

    “Is there any circumstance, barring self-defense, where I would be justified in attacking you with a golf club? Or are you well within your rights to end the game and leave if it wasn’t enjoyable?

    “Your Honour, I propose that the events of that evening were analogous to our hypothetical game of golf. Regardless of my client’s initial interests at the start of the encounter, she is clearly within her rights to end the game and walk away, or have the accused leave her property, if she wanted the encounter to end. Maybe she found the accused’s attempt at lovemaking as pitiful as my skill at golf, doesn’t matter. The accused has just agreed that deciding to leave, provocative clothes and alcohol consumption are not valid excuses for assault. I hope that nobody here would side with the aggressor in that scenario just because the accused should’ve known better than to go out alone with a stranger to a secluded place where the nearest help probably isn’t close enough to hear any cries for aid.

    “On the night when my client was raped, the accused had many options open to him for taking out his frustrations when she said no – the bathroom was unoccupied, had a convenient supply of cold water and a door that could be closed so he could use his hands unobserved, for example – but he chose to respond through violence. Saying that my client was ‘leading him on’ would be like saying he was ‘leading me on’ by agreeing to play golf but quitting anyways, and the assault is a crime in both cases.

    “The accused’s records clearly show that he was not raised by bonobos in Africa, that he was not raised by wild dogs, but that he is, in fact, a member of Homo sapiens living in a free and democratic first-world society. There is absolutely no excuse that can be made for his inability to control his violent sexual urges that would not also suggest we consult with the Humane Society for ways to have his behaviour ‘fixed.’ No further questions.”

    Sorry again for the length :P Would that kind of thing be the kind of set-up/analogy that could even be used in court? Would drawing those connections help increase our abysmal conviction rate, do you think? … Is it possible to take a focused law crash-course to become a lawyer for these victims to try and give them better representation? What can we DO to try and turn this into the fair, enlightened society I thought we lived in?

    Thanks for letting me get this off my chest, and thanks to any of you who were able to sit through and hear me out.
    -Dave B.

  87. Pteryxx says

    Darned Internet, quit being interesting! Two links from Wired:

    More MRSA found in US retail meat (including turkey). Tetracycline resistance points to antibiotic-dosed, confinement-raised livestock as the source.

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/11/mrsa-us-meat/

    Having pepper spray as an option may encourage violence:

    Indeed, while law enforcement scholars unanimously acknowledge that, on a per-violent-incident basis, pepper spray results in fewer injuries than direct physical violence, research suggests that having pepper spray could lead to higher numbers of violent incidents.

    In one analysis, criminologists found that police use of force rose by 33 percent in Concord, North Carolina following the approval of pepper spray as a law enforcement tool. After an arrestee died in custody after being sprayed, pepper spray use was restricted; use-of-force incidents then fell by 57 percent, even though arrest rates rose by almost 4 percent.

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/11/pepper-spray-psychology/

  88. dropkickpa says

    And I am mildly tired of the colour combination of gray, forest green, and cordovan brown.

    In high school, being ever fashionable, I had a shirt striped with these colors that I wore quite often. Stopped wearing it when my best friend told me it was my “shades of shit” shirt.

  89. Carlie says

    Thus we were without a hot water heater for a week, and had a gas leak once the assholes had “finished” their job.

    You were lucky to catch it. There was a tragedy just down a few blocks from me last month wherein someone had a new water heater installed, a few days later the neighbors called the gas company complaining they could smell gas even over to their houses, the company came out and searched outside only and said everything was ok.

    Three hours later the house exploded. The only bit of solace to wring from it is that the owner was most probably dead from the gas long before it happened.

  90. Cannabinaceae says

    I would like to make a note on my beer comment above, regarding chicory stout. I tend to be a Reinheitsgebot beerist and rarely taste what I call “flavored” beers*. I happened to be at what was advertised to me as a beer and wine tasting, but it was only wine, but my host popped out a four pack of these and they were truly wonderful. Chicory and coffee.

    *I wonder if there is a technical term for what happens when you say “flavored beers” in the presence of tasting hosts, then they say something isomorphic to “we prefer to think of them as bringing their fresh fruit essence blah blah blah”. I get the feeling that “flavored beers” is a term of offense, but using Reinheitsgebot in casual speech doesn’t feel right either.

    OK, now I am really late for my single serving of coffee (8oz espresso, 8oz milk) and better hurry so as to avoid headache.

  91. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    In high school, being ever fashionable, I had a shirt striped with these colors that I wore quite often. Stopped wearing it when my best friend told me it was my “shades of shit” shirt.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love working for my agency, but I’ve been wearing these colours, five days a week, for over 20 years. I like weekends when I can get out of the green, gray and brown and get into my usual duds — brown, gray, and, well, mulch.

  92. Rey Fox says

    Am I the only one here who likes warm fall colors?

    I have a feeling that the “walking octopus” video is going to become the new “flood story” around here.

  93. Dhorvath, OM says

    Christ got pushed into the holidays, we can push him right back out thanks.
    ___

    PTI,
    Re: suffocation.
    That sounds pretty scary, hugs if you want ‘em.
    ___

    I should note that I looked very seriously at becoming a police officer and I don’t think anyone liable to confuse me with authoritarian.
    ___

    There are tones of just about any colour which I love. I wear neutral for the most part.
    ___

    Katherine,
    I would say that it is not just okay, but necessary to rewrite when you feel like you should rewrite. Who are you doing this for anyways?
    ___

    Ogvorbis,

    And I am mildly tired of the colour combination of gray, forest green, and cordovan brown.

    Does it help that your lament made me smile? No? Oh well then, forget I mentioned it.
    ___

    DaveB,
    Welcome to thread. I don’t think elaborate constructs like that fit into questioning, but I am not likely any more conversant with what is allowed than you.

  94. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Does it help that your lament made me smile? No? Oh well then, forget I mentioned it.

    But it does.

    I always feel a little guilty about complaining about the gray and green (plus brown). I mean, I have my dream job. Yeah, it comes with a uniform, but I get the cool campaign hat, I get to wear the arrowhead and the gold badge, but I sometimes wish for some red (other than blood (I tend to get called first for first aid calls)) or some nice blue (other than the weird blue of coal smoke).

  95. Dhorvath, OM says

    Ogvorbis,
    I can understand some measure of your frustration, still, the way you presented it was flawless and made me read it twice before I realized what you were getting at. Well played.

  96. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Well if you had to read it twice, Dhorvath, then my writing was unclear. Sorry.

    Glad you liked it, but I wasn’t trying to be obtuse or cute. ust honest.

  97. Predator Handshake says

    Given the long weekend ahead and the rather large number of cells in my incubator that I want to use up today, I decided to drink enough coffee this morning to reach “hulking out” levels of caffeine. That turned out to be a little too much as my PI decided to leave a good number of the cells until we come back, and now all I’m left with is a fixing/staining protocol that I have to wait awhile to start on. I usually enjoy downtime in the lab, but when I’m up like this it makes sitting around patiently REALLY difficult. What’s more, most of the other labs are empty today so I don’t even have anyone to talk too much to.

  98. says

    Walton @126:

    Robert George is a respected legal theorist – albeit a conservative and reactionary – so I doubt his actual argument was as incoherent as Gingrich’s.

    In 2008, one of PZ’s posts about Michele Bachmann prompted a discussion of her pimping Robert George’s theories.

    Robert George is as good as it gets when it comes to the far right wing making an effort to produce logical reasons for their anti-human platforms. George is not really that bright. He got edumacated up to a point, and then he stopped thinking and started indulging in confirmation bias.

    Here are a few excerpts from comments made on Pharyngula in the past:

    The head of the National Organization for Marriage is Robert George, a professor at Princeton University. He gives regular news updates to the mormon newspaper Deseret News. [August, 2009, comment by Lynna]

    This past September, leaders from many christian sects met in New York and came up with a strongly-worded anti-gay, “Manhattan Declaration.
    signatories “pledge to each other, and to our fellow believers, that no power on earth, be it cultural or political, will intimidate us into silence or acquiescence.”
    The document — authored by evangelical Prison Fellowship founder Charles Colson … National Organization for Marriage chairman, and Princeton professor Robert George …; and Alabama’s Beeson Divinity School dean Rev. Timothy George — is called “Manhattan Declaration: A Call of Christian Conscience.” It’s 4,700 words. It’s signed by Maggie Gallagher
    They are funneling money to Uganda, to New Jersey, to Iowa, etc. In Iowa, NOM funded the campaign of an anti-gay, Republican candidate. [Lynna, commenting in November, 2009]

    Are you aware that Luis Tellez, its president, is also the director and lead cleric of Opus Dei in Princeton? Or that Dr. Robert George, a board member of the Institute who has drafted anti-gay legislation and has chaired meetings with people such as James Dobson and other members of the religious right, is also a board member at the Family Research Council, a group known for its bigoted positions on the gay community? Or that it identifies itself as a conservative think tank? Of course you are.
    “The Witherspoon Institute is grateful to the John Templeton Foundation and the Social Trends Institute for the financial assistance that has made this research possible.”[Comment from DominEditrix, on November 2, 2008]

    Last December, the NYT covered “The Conservative-Christian Big Thinker” Robert P. George. Mr. George is a big stinker when it comes to logic, and a nasty piece of work who received the Presidential Citizens Medal from George Bush, helped the mormons with Prop 8 and the Manhattan Declaration, is a favorite of Glenn Beck and Karl Rove … well, you get the idea.
    Excerpt from December article:

    …Robert P. George, a Princeton University professor of jurisprudence and a Roman Catholic who is this country’s most influential conservative Christian thinker. Dressed in his usual uniform of three-piece suit, New College, Oxford cuff links and rimless glasses , George convened the meeting with a note of thanks and a reminder of its purpose. Alarmed at the liberal takeover of Washington and an apparent leadership vacuum among the Christian right, the group had come together to warn the country’s secular powers that the culture wars had not ended. As a starting point, George had drafted a 4,700-word manifesto that promised resistance to the point of civil disobedience against any legislation that might implicate their churches or charities in abortion, embryo-destructive research or same-sex marriage.
    Two months later, at a Washington press conference to present the group’s “Manhattan Declaration,” George stepped aside to let Cardinal Rigali sum up just what made the statement, and much of George’s work, distinctive. These principles did not belong to the Christian faith alone, the cardinal declared; they rested on a foundation of universal reason. “They are principles that can be known and honored by men and women of good will even apart from divine revelation,” Rigali said. “They are principles of right reason and natural law.”[excerpted from a comment by Lynna, August 2, 2010]

    A bit more on Princeton Professor and anti-gay marriage advocate, Robert George. He compared his crusade against gay marriage to the fight against slavery in the U.S. (Say What?).
    And this is a sound clip of Glenn Beck interviewing Robert George, “one of the biggest brains in America … he’s written one of the best articles on abortion that I have ever read … he says that Barack Obama is one of the biggest pro-abortion…”
    So Robert George is the religious right’s darling intellectual, the brainy dude — and during the interview he repeats the lie that babies who survive abortion are thrown in the trash.
    And here is R. George talking about the Manhattan Declaration. “There are people in this country even today who are victims of attacks on religious freedom because they stand for the institution of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife.”[excerpts from comments made by Lynna in June of 2010]

    And here is Robert P. George expanding on his idea that Obama is the “most extreme pro-abortion candidate ever to seek the office of President of the United States. he is the most extreme pro-abortion legislator ever to serve in either house of the United States Congress. In the same article, George goes on to compare the abortion issue to the issue of slavery. Excerpt:

    Would we describe such people, not as pro-slavery, but as ”pro-choice”? Of course we would not. It wouldn’t matter to us that they were ”personally opposed” to slavery, or that they wished that slavery were ”unnecessary,” or that they wouldn’t dream of forcing anyone to own slaves. We would hoot at the faux sophistication of a placard that said ”Against slavery? Don’t own one.” We would observe that the fundamental divide is between people who believe that law and public power should permit slavery, and those who think that owning slaves is an unjust choice that should be prohibited.

  99. says

    These . . . “persons”* . . . are not leaders. They are thugs in choir robes.

    Not sure I would even grant the Republican candidates the choir robes. They are thugs dressed in dirty dollar bills that they pretend are choir robes. “Thugs” is certainly spot on.

  100. says

    In response to the MRSA information and link in comment #131:

    Most people wouldn’t consider themselves to have as close contact with meat as a hog farmer or meat processing plant worker, but scientists warn there is reason for concern for the general public. As people handle raw meat daily-breading chicken cutlets, trimming fat from pork, or forming chopped beef into burgers-there is an ever-present chance of introducing MRSA into the body. Liz Vaccariello, Editor-in-Chief of Prevention, explains, “Cooking kills the microbe, but MRSA thrives on skin, so you can contract it by touching infected raw meat when you have a cut on your hand or if you touch your nose after touching meat.”

    To reduce the risk of possible exposure to MRSA in meat, Prevention recommends the following:

    · Look for the USDA organic seal. Organic meat might be less likely to have antibiotic-resistant or disease-causing organisms, as the animal hasn’t been fed antibiotics, hormones to promote growth, or animal by-products. Other labels, such as “no antibiotics added,” are not verified by independent testing.

    · Log on to eatwellguide.org. Search for listings of stores and restaurants that offer no-antibiotic-use, grass-fed, or organic meats.

    · Stock up on nonmeat protein sources. Swap beans, lentils, and tofu for meat now and then.

    · Wash your hands. Use hot, soapy water before and after you prep meat. Never touch raw meat and then your nose, as MRSA thrives on skin and in nasal passages.

    · Keep scrapes and cuts covered. Use waterproof bandages or rubber gloves to protect cut openings from MRSA and other pathogens, which often serve as entry points for the diseases.

    · Clean cutting boards and utensils. Anything that comes in contact with raw meat should be cleaned with hot, soapy water to avoid cross-contamination.

    · Make it well done. Thoroughly cooking your meats will kill MRSA and other bacteria. For pork and beef, the internal temperature should be 170 F; for chicken, 165 F.

    Seems to me that it would be a good idea to just wear gloves when handling uncooked meat. Then wash gloved hands with hot, soapy water. Then wash ungloved hands with hot soapy water. Cooking thanksgiving turkey all the way to 165 degrees will kill MRSA.

    Quote above is from: http://www.rodaleinc.com/newsroom/special-report-mrsa-infiltrating-our-meat

  101. consciousness razor says

    Happy Thanksgiving, Thread*. See you on the flip side.

    *For those of you not in the U.S. or Canada: no thanks.

  102. Predator Handshake says

    Isn’t Canada’s Thanksgiving on a different day? I’m totally prepared to be wrong on this as it’s just something I think I remember reading when I was in elementary school.

  103. Dhorvath, OM says

    I think that’s it then, I have a call in with my property management to default on my lease. Being good gets you loyal customers, but it seems that doesn’t speak about volume of business much. I don’t know as this will turn out well, but I may be a bit absent over the coming weeks.

  104. Dave B says

    Isn’t Canada’s Thanksgiving on a different day? I’m totally prepared to be wrong on this as it’s just something I think I remember reading when I was in elementary school.

    We have Thanksgiving in October, 2nd Monday is I think how it lands, and I understand it’s not nearly as big a deal as it is for our neighbours to the south. Shorter growing season means we have to have our harvest festival sooner :)

    Welcome to thread. I don’t think elaborate constructs like that fit into questioning, but I am not likely any more conversant with what is allowed than you.

    Thanks Dhorvath! And yeah – I have no idea about how courtrooms work, and even have pretty limited exposure to courtroom dramas :P Maybe I’ll just stick to the “Request a brief recess to change into waterproof pants, since the accused can’t control his drive” retorts?

  105. Carlie says

    Pop culture news:

    The Muppets Christmas with John Denver album is currently on Amazon for $5. Best holiday record ever!

    Community is fantstic television. Three seasons to set up a Beetlejuice joke.

    Spouse, who normally cooks the Thanksgiving dinner, has been in bed sick all day. This morning he and child were both in throwing up mode. This does not bode well. Not only am I not sure if I can get everything cooked the way he likes it, it’s his favorite holiday so if he’s sick, I’d rather put it all off and cook the big meal Friday or Saturday.

  106. Brownian says

    Isn’t Canada’s Thanksgiving on a different day?

    Yeah, it was back in October. The 10th. We’ll let the belated wishes go this time, but for next year, please mark your calendars. If you’re still up for best wishes, Canadian Christmas is this week, and on the 23rd of December, we’ll be celebrating Lincoln’s Birthday.

    I hope your rebound is swift and high, Dhorvath.

  107. Brownian says

    Community is fantstic television. Three seasons to set up a Beetlejuice joke.

    I just peed my pants a little bit.

    Well, more than I usually do at 2:53 PM.

  108. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    The Muppets Christmas with John Denver album is currently on Amazon for $5. Best holiday record ever!

    When I lead singing on our Holiday Express train, and someone (always!) wants to do The Twelve Days of Christmas, I can tell who has that album: Ba-dum-dum-DUM! Four Calling Birds, Three . . .

  109. Dave B says

    Caine, Fleur de Mal:

    Of course it does. It happens long before a court appearance, too. It happens whether one gets to court or not.

    That’s… so sick and revolting, I don’t know where to begin expressing the disgust. It was a shameful mockery of human interaction to watch it play out – and staring out from the other mirror is the cold rational knowledge that facts like that won’t go away just because you don’t want them to be true. Just… ugh.

  110. Carlie says

    Dhorvath – I wouldn’t doubt they tried.
    Community has been my favorite tv show since their first Christmas episode.

    Small bit of niceness: I bought a Moleskine day planner today, and it has a bunch of icon sticker sheets for various occasions. There’s one sticker that has two people, one with a heart on them, that I assume is for anniversaries (?) What I liked is that one sticker has a stickperson with pants and one with a dress, one sticker had both stickpersons with pants, and another had both stickpersons with dresses. yay!

  111. Carlie says

    I can tell who has that album: Ba-dum-dum-DUM! Four Calling Birds, Three . . .

    It is physically impossible for me to hear that song without going BA-DUM-BUM-BUM!

  112. Don Quijote says

    Here I am, crying into my coñac with a soggy cigar again. Manservant on holiday and Mariano Rajoy has won the bloody election. Absolute proof, there is no god.

  113. says

    Cannabinaceae, sorry about the appliance mishap, but a minor correction; you do not have a ‘hot water heater’, there is no reason to heat hot water, (unless you intend to make steam), you have/had a water heater. [/picayune] ;-)
    +++++++++++++++++++
    Ogvorbis, you write well, it’s just sometimes it contains so much info that I find myself reading your offerings to tpyos 3 times. Once for concept; once for detail; and finally just because it’s so much fun to read.
    +++++++++++++++++++
    Today my school sent out the yearly ‘ghost employment’ warning to all staff and faculty warning us we could not give our employees the day/afternoon off early.

    I went down to complain to the admin person who sent the email, but she had left early.
    +++++++++++++++++++
    Dave B, welcome.

  114. Cannabinaceae says

    My TG beer posturing: Otter Creek Red Ale, Widmer Brothers rotator (this batch is called X-114 IPA), Yards American Pale Ale*, and Flying Fish Belgian Dubbel**.

    I Q.A.’d the Otter Creek last night. I’ve just finished butterflying, patting dry, and tying up the bird and my back is breaking, so I will switch to Q.A. on the other three as I finish getting other preparations underway. For example, I think I will brown and braise the backbone and use it to supplement the giblet gravy. No pan gravy, as the drippings, absorbed by the lining of sliced potatoes in the roasting pan**, will have been eaten before anybody sits down.

    *A frequent contender for house beer, although at the moment Titan IPA takes that slot, none of which I myself got for TG. B.I.L. may bring some, although he’s heavily into something called “471” at the moment, so that’s what I’m guessing. He does sometimes surprise, though.

    **They prevent the juices from burning in the pan at 500F, turning into awesome potato chips during the roasting process. The ones that don’t quite brown get drained and incorporated into the mashed taters, the drained liquid gets added to the gravy, so there is a small amount of drippings I guess.

  115. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    What I liked is that one sticker has a stickperson with pants and one with a dress, one sticker had both stickpersons with pants, and another had both stickpersons with dresses. yay!

    Amen Sister!!!!

    Dang, my iPod nano 5G battery won’t properly charge. What’s worse, the only after market battery I found was an 1/8″ too long. It’s one thing to make something easy and intuitive to use, its another if you need a new non-replaceable battery every other year.

  116. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    Oh, yes, and the other part of my Comment That Would Not Post: Dhorvath, had there ever been Amber prequels, I, too, would surely have read them….just as I would surely have watched a sequel to The Matrix, had there ever been such a thing.

    The Hogfather DVD is one of our seasonal traditions! We all get together with munchies and make a night of it. :)

    Blue is definitely the BEST color.

    Second-best, after purple, which tends to make my skin look bright yellow. Oh, but I love it so! Guaranteed to grab hold of my eyeballs anytime I’m passing clothes racks. For wearing without having people wonder if I might be jaundiced, darkened turquoises, and colors in the burgundy/wine area. Of course, since I default to black tee shirts with stuff on ‘em, usually with black jeans, these preferences are usually moot.

    Power Balance, the maker of the scam bracelets, is just about done.

    Huzzah!

    *hugs* and sympathy for Giliell. Take care of yourself, y’hear?

    Is it okay to basically take a story you’ve worked on for several years and redesign it from the inside before your fourth draft is finished?

    It’s your story; you can do with it as you will. Maybe save any swathes you’re cutting, for later use in some other story? Cannibalising your out-takes for spare parts is an author’s right.

    Hi, Dave B; welcome in! Your courtroom drama sounds like the stuff of fantasy! In real life, I’m sure the opposition would call objections no later than “the accused had many options open to him for taking out his frustrations when she said no – the bathroom was unoccupied, had a convenient supply of cold water and a door that could be closed so he could use his hands unobserved”.

    Dhorvath, I obviously missed something, but my best wishes in…whatever is next.

    Carlie, you have my sympathies; but just think how Thankful your spouse and kid will be when the sickies are all over! :^
    -

  117. Carlie says

    but a minor correction; you do not have a ‘hot water heater’, there is no reason to heat hot water, (unless you intend to make steam), you have/had a water heater.

    Ah, but some of them are poorly insulated, and therefore if you touch it you realize you do indeed have a hot water heater. :p

    I went down to complain to the admin person who sent the email, but she had left early.

    *headdesk*

  118. ChasCPeterson says

    Is it okay to basically take a story you’ve worked on for several years and redesign it from the inside before your fourth draft is finished?

    No.
    And your rash query left me no choice but to report you to the Fiction Police. Expect the sound of jackboots at your door momentarily.
    It’s for your own good.

  119. Cannabinaceae says

    The Sailor, I regret to inform you that you are wrong. The heating unit heats water until it is hot, then as it gets ever-so-slightly less hot, the thermostat kicks its little furnace back on, maintaining it between 140F and slightly less than 140F, or whatever we have it set on (practically scalding and yes I’ve heard it can be dangerous, but when I rinse, I want to be as effective as I can stand). Viola: a hot water heater. I’ve stayed in B&Bs in Europe, though, where the heater actually heats cold tap water, and often requires a lecture from the landlord in proper usage.

    Our mishap happened about 10 years ago, just after we bought the house. I wish there had been another warrantee: MisterHobbyMan, the previous owner did a lot of his own, er, what competent people would call repairs or maintenance or remodeling. And wasn’t very good at a lot of it (although the deck he built has been a joy).

    The reason I could tell something was wrong ten years ago was because we heard the furnace kick in, which is normally followed by what sounds like a pump turning on. When the pump turning on was followed by a gurgling, hissing noise, I decided to investigate. When I’m working in a lab, I investigate practically every sound I hear, until I’m familiar with the “sound” of the lab. It’s interesting how you can be absorbed in a project, ignoring everything until a novel sound happens, often because some “event” has occurred

  120. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    And your rash query left me no choice but to report you to the Fiction Police. Expect the sound of jackboots at your door momentarily.
    It’s for your own good.

    I believe it was Heinlein who said (somewhere in his words of wisdom in Time Enough for Love), every author/artist needs someone standing behind them to hit them over the head at the proper time to prevent unnecessary reediting.

  121. changeable moniker says

    @pelamun, ahs, prevthread:

    almost any combination of consonant and vowel will result in a meaningful word in Mandarin

    The same goes for speaking in tongues. Unclear what to make of this. ;)

  122. Brownian says

    Our hot water heater is insulated.

    Ours wasn’t working this morning. I bathed in the sink with a washcloth and a kettle of boiled water.

    I told everyone at work this as we waited for the chronic latecomers to show up for a meeting, and complained that I still felt greasy. While doing so, I quietly took a handful of hand sanitiser and started unbuttoning my shirt.

    The spreading looks of horror as realisation dawns is what keeps me going some days.

  123. Dave B says

    Hi, Dave B; welcome in! Your courtroom drama sounds like the stuff of fantasy!

    Yeah, I know – I’m a hopeless optimist most days :P But I’m going to try and hold on to the outrage as long as I can, at least, and try and turn it towards something, somehow, that I can do. Don’t know what, where or how yet – but I’m not going to give up without fighting for the world I thought we lived in.

  124. says

    Dave B:

    That’s… so sick and revolting, I don’t know where to begin expressing the disgust.

    Yes, it’s revolting and the more you learn, the less happy you’ll be. However, it’s good in the sense that it reinforces just how important it is to be aware of entrenched sexism and to stomp on it every chance you get.

  125. Cannabinaceae says

    Wow. The Widmer X-114, quite light in color, packs a very smooth body with extremely well balanced hops profile. I would call it a double Boddington’s with extra hops, myself. Very dry, but not metallic, aftertaste.

  126. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    Carlie:

    Community is fantstic television. Three seasons to set up a Beetlejuice joke.

    I love Community. But it’s too bad that it’s being “suspended” (or whateverthefuck) in January.

    Trust me, it totally nailed the community college experience.

  127. chigau (本当) says

    Brownian

    I still felt greasy

    Next time you bathe in the sink, remove the bacon frying pan first.

  128. says

    Cannabinaceae, you have a hot water maintainer. My bad.

    Side note: Isn’t it weird that that we keep water hot all the time and only use it occasionally? I sometimes wish I owned my own home and could afford an on demand water heater. I also wish I could live on my boat.

    Nothing makes you more conscious of water/electricity/sewage usage than being on your own micro-eco.

  129. picool says

    Blue is the best color because it is the quietest color, followed by purple, which is a low, unobtrusive hum.

    Orange is the worst color; it sounds like screaming. Brown (solid) is next as it sounds like being sick feels.

    I could elaborate further, but I won’t as it still sounds weird to me. I still remember trying to explain to my parents why I simply couldn’t play in the new plastic playhouse because it was too loud (brown, orange-red roof, yellow shutters)

  130. Cannabinaceae says

    The Sailor, I too would like an on-demand water heater. What I want more is a turnkey photovoltaic one-room A/C system, or maybe even heat pump, to help maintain homeostasis in one room of the house while the rest of the building is allowed to fluctuate with the outside temp.

  131. says

    Nerd – “I believe it was Heinlein who said (somewhere in his words of wisdom in Time Enough for Love), every author/artist needs someone standing behind them to hit them over the head at the proper time to prevent unnecessary reediting.”

    I prefer ‘writing is not writing, it’s re-writing’.

    But yes, Kitty, it’s fine to slice and dice your work, but keep the discarded parts for future reference. (I love digital copy and paste, I used to scissor paragraphs out and re-arrange them. Then I’d have to re-write them. This was hand written in ink, with all the circles on the front and the arrows pointing [/Arlo Guthrie reference] to scribbled words in margins and crossed sentences.

  132. changeable moniker says

    @Dave B, #163, if you’re upset at how it makes you feel, I’d hesitantly aver that perhaps you might be thinking about the wrong person. (I may well be wrong, in which case, please ignore me.)

  133. John Morales says

    picool, when I read your comment @193 and replace ‘is’ with ‘I perceive it as’, then your comment makes sense and tells me about you.

  134. broboxley OT says

    #147 cleaning a cutting board with hot soapy water will not kill 1 germ. Use bleach with that concoction to kill germs. Rest of the advise was sound

  135. David Marjanović, OM says

    O hai! I can has Humboldt Foundation grant! I can goes Berlin in January or February or so! ^_^

    In worse news, I haven’t even tried to catch up. I was busy (I’ll submit the next paper this weekend, and a big paper it is), and then I made a short trip to Paris, and my nose doesn’t let me sleep much lately. See you tomorrow.

  136. says

    broboxley @ #147 “cleaning a cutting board with hot soapy water will not kill 1 germ. Use bleach with that concoction to kill germs.”

    Cleaning with soap and hot water physically removes most germs.

    Killing most of the germs thru chlorine or other poisons just results in stronger germs. The evolve faster than we do.

  137. Don Quijote says

    John Morales,
    I’m a 21st century Don Quijote. I provide holidays, holiday pay, health, dental, paternal and transportation. Also. I now know a windmill when I see it.

    Those of you who may remember our cat that we had to have her ears removed, has died. The cancer was inside her skull as well.
    Anyway, we have 15 more and 2 more have decided to join our family and abandon their owners. Also, we have mice.

  138. says

    Polygamy update, this time from Canada. Info from CBC News article:

    B.C. Supreme Court has upheld Canada’s polygamy laws, but said minors who end up in polygamous marriages should be exempt from prosecution.

    “In a 335-page decision released on Wednesday, Chief Justice Robert Bauman ruled in favour of the section of the Criminal Code outlawing polygamous unions.

    “But he suggested the law shouldn’t be used to criminalize minors who find themselves married into polygamous unions.

    “I have concluded that this case is essentially about harm,” Bauman writes.

    “More specifically, Parliament’s reasoned apprehension of harm arising out of the practice of polygamy. This includes harm to women, to children, to society and to the institution of monogamous marriage.”

    “The decision follows 42-days of legal arguments from a wide variety of groups interested in the constitutionality of Section 293 of the Criminal Code.

    “Bauman concludes “women in polygamous relationships are at an elevated risk of physical and psychological harm. They face higher rates of domestic violence and abuse, including sexual abuse.”

    “He also points out higher mortality rates of children born into polygamous families, the dangers of early sexualization of girls, gender inequality, and the problem of so-called lost boys – young men turfed out of polygamous communities as a result of competition for young brides.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/11/23/bc-polygamy-ruling-supreme-court.html

  139. broboxley OT says

    Sailor #200 if the water is hotter than 165F degrees it will kill germs, kind of hard on the hands tho. Soap is a degreaser not an anti-bacterial agent. Unless of course there is sufficient lye in it.

  140. says

    Winston Blackmore, the fundamentalist mormon bishop from Bountiful, Canada tried to argue for polygamy on the basis of religious freedom.

    The idea that harm to people should be allowed as long as it falls under the “religious freedom” umbrella was dealt a blow in Canada. May that idea crack and fall apart everywhere.

  141. Cannabinaceae says

    Don Quijote, if you have 17 cats and you also have mice, might I suggest that you are tilting at windmills, or did I just walk into a trap there?

  142. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    O hai! I can has Humboldt Foundation grant! I can goes Berlin in January or February or so! ^_^

    Great news. Tell us the strength of the grog you want transported to your position, along with any of the noshes we supply at the Pharyngula Saloon and Spanking parlor.

  143. says

    David Marjanović, OM says:
    23 November 2011 at 5:53 pm

    O hai! I can has Humboldt Foundation grant!

    Woo hoo! Conga rats to David!!!11!!!!
    +++++++++++++++++
    broboxley, I said physically remove, not kill. If you keep using anti-bacterial methods you are just selecting the next gen of bacteria that will kill us.

    Soap and warm/hot water is the best defense, unless one is already compromised.

  144. John Morales says

    David,

    In worse news, I haven’t even tried to catch up. I was busy […]

    Yet another indication that you’re as smart as we all think you are. :)

    (You have your priorities straight!)

  145. broboxley OT says

    #209 Sailor beg to agree to disagree and leave it with a link

    http://www.ehow.com/about_5347507_invention-antiseptics.html
    Semmelweiss, a Hungarian obstetrician working at Vienna General Hospital, made a study of the outcome of births at his hospital. The study revealed that 20 percent of women who gave birth died from puerperal fever when a doctor performed the delivery. When treated by a midwife, only one out of 30 women died from the infection. Although Louis Pasteur had not yet proposed the germ theory of disease, Semmelweiss realized that one difference between the doctors and midwives was that doctors would treat several patients in a row, while midwives would deliver one baby and then go home. Medical students in particular concerned Semmelweiss, because they would show up for rounds at the hospital after having performed dissections on cadavers for their anatomy class. He feared that the blood and tissue on their hands, not always completely washed off, was contributing to infection.

    Semmelweiss and Hand Washing
    Acting on this theory, Semmelweiss asked doctors to wash their hands with a chemical containing bleach, and the fatality rate of women who giving birth dropped to 1 out of 60. When Hungary rebelled against Austrian rule in 1849, sentiment against Hungarians ran high. Semmelweiss was let go and the policy of hand washing ended at the Vienna hospital.

  146. Cannabinaceae says

    Ha ha ha, check out the line layout bug in the following! Not only is preview your friend, it is your straight man! Not only that, if I place this text after the following, the bug disappears!

    I call these folks the “Whole Earth Ribosome

  147. changeable moniker says

    @David Marjanović, I owed you an answer on the “Why are boys” thread. I think I answered it with Google:

    http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=398425

    Germs. Antibacterial detergents?

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=antibacterial+washing+up+liquid

    (I’m also a big fan of boiling water.)

    ChasCP:

    jackboots at your door momentarily

    Good to know they’ll be passing by.

    (Unless you meant the airline formulation, in which case, *glare*. “Gates will be open momentarily.” What is this, Prince of Persia?)

  148. Cannabinaceae says

    The Sailor and broboxley OT : my input is that I question the ability of bacteria to evolve resistance to fresh 10% bleach solution. The standard sterilization habit of all microbiologists, AFAIK*, is fresh 10% bleach.

    But: to be sure, I would use detergent to remove as many microbes as possible before applying bleach. I would also, if using bleach, elect to use a fresh 10% solution.

    I’m much less skeptical of microbes evolving higher resistance to 1% bleach (e.g.the bleach one probably has in one’s spray bottles under the sink, unless one is even more inattentive)

    *I am one. 70% ethanol is also frequently used; I generally use one after the other.

  149. Cannabinaceae says

    Ah, and now W.U. has just shouted up that she is done in the kitchen. Time for further preparations and Q.A.

  150. says

    broboxley, what part of ‘already infected’ do you not understand?

    And you are referencing articles over 100 years ago. These days we know better. It’s science, it advances.

    In case anyone else thinks they should purchase anti-bacterial soaps or washes or face cleanser or &c, &c, &c?

    Do not do this!

    I have a difficult time understanding why regulars on this blog do not understand why minor amounts of substances that kill ‘germs’ don’t imply that those ‘germs’ will evolve and killz humans much, more, better.

  151. changeable moniker says

    Comment by Ing: HEY I’M OVER HERE!!!!! blocked. [unkill]​[show comment]

    Works for me!!!!!

  152. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    GreaseMonkey/killfile is working for me. Just no one in my dungeon at the moment. Although a couple of trolls are working on it…

  153. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    I sometimes wish I owned my own home and could afford an on demand water heater.

    A friend of mine had his house built from scratch, and installed on-demand water heating. Something about the mineral content (well water) messed the heater up, and he was forced to un-install it.

    [/Arlo Guthrie reference]

    <singing> You can get anything you want
    At Alice’s Restaurant.
    </singing>

    O hai! I can has Humboldt Foundation grant! I can goes Berlin in January or February or so! ^_^

    *confetti*

    Don Quijote, I’m sorry to hear about your cat.

    cicely @ 10:
    eh? what? not sure what the joke is.

    Horses are Evil.

    Eeeeeeeeeeevil.
    -

  154. Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan says

    Is it just me, or does foreplay in porn clips tend to be hotter than the actual sex?
    ————————————–

    Dhorvath,

    It’s hard to not feel that way at some point most days. Hugs accepted.
    —————————————

    Writer’s block seems to be gone. Not spending as much time messing around instead of working on my writing. Now all that remains is to…well, do a lot of writing-related stuff.

  155. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    (I mean, I have spoken before on this subject. At some (perhaps unduly tendious) length.)
    -

  156. John Morales says

    cicely,

    Something about the mineral content (well water) messed the heater up, and he was forced to un-install it.

    That “something’ was likely deposition of minerals on the elements impeding their heat-transfer efficacy; that someone wasn’t forced to uninstall it, they could’ve instead put a water-softener between the water-source and the heating apparatus.

  157. John Morales says

    PTI,

    Is it just me, or does foreplay in porn clips tend to be hotter than the actual sex?

    Dunno, I haven’t watched porn since I was a teenager, when I decided it was like watching people eat nice food.

    (I’m happy to do it, but watching it doesn’t “do it” for me (where ‘it’ refers to sexual activity)

  158. says

    cicely – “Is it just me, or does foreplay in porn clips tend to be hotter than the actual sex?”

    1) There’s foreplay in porn clips!?
    2) Hmm, it depends on the definition of sex.
    3) Seriously tho, I’ve never understood why people want to watch other people having sex when I’m not having sex.

  159. says

    Rev, I listened to an interview by Terry (sp?) Gross on NPR today with one of the creators. The new Muppet Movie sounds like a fun experience. Imma thinking I might ask a date to this flic.

  160. broboxley OT says

    #219 sailor, no you are correct in antibacterial soap mouthwash etc, but bleach will disinfect a cutting board contaminated with listeria, soap and water probably doesnt. You ever stop to wonder why hospitals are mers sites? You think it may be because the harsh disenfectants used in prior years have fallen in decline?

  161. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    @sandiseattle:

    not sure I agree, IMO i could take ‘em or leave ‘em

    Ah, but ya see, the problem is that They’ll take you, and leave you—an enfeebled, withered husk, bereft of humor, hope or happiness, a hollow reed endlessly sounding Their dirge of horror and despair.

    cicely – “Is it just me, or does foreplay in porn clips tend to be hotter than the actual sex?”
    1) There’s foreplay in porn clips!?
    2) Hmm, it depends on the definition of sex.
    3) Seriously tho, I’ve never understood why people want to watch other people having sex when I’m not having sex.

    1) Misattribution; it was P-TI who asked about the foreplay.
    2) Sometimes; it varies, and often depends on the definition of foreplay.
    3) Different strokes, different pokes….
    -

  162. sandiseattle says

    oh cicely, did your pony break your heart? :-)

    Seriously, I’ve been on a horse twice in my life and in a horsedrawn carriage about half a dozen times or so. I do understand attachment to a pet/animal and the heartache of losing one.

  163. says

    broboxley – “You ever stop to wonder why hospitals are mers sites? You think it may be because the harsh disenfectants used in prior years have fallen in decline?”

    Actually, no. It’s because they use anti-bacterial agents. And hospitals are no more dangerous than they ever have been. Staph and strep are still rampant, especially in ORs. Depending on the surgery, meat and fluids get transferred to a lot of surfaces. Including floors and ceilings.

    The hospital is the last place you want to be if you’re sick/The hospital is the first place to be if you are sick.

    Quite the conundrum, eh?

  164. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    David Marjanović, OM says:
    23 November 2011 at 5:53 pm

    O hai! I can has Humboldt Foundation grant!

    Bravisimo, Herr Doktor. Muy bueno!

    ==============

    In other news, has anyone seen THIS? Seriously? An app so your kitty can bat and paw at your ipad? Has the world gone insane and I jsut missed it? Or has it always been this way and I’ve just been to wrapped up in myself to notice?

  165. Carlie says

    picool – so you have synanthesia? I’ve always thought that was fascinating.

    O hai! I can has Humboldt Foundation grant! I can goes Berlin in January or February or so!

    OOOOOOO!!!!! Sweeeeet!!!

    You ever stop to wonder why hospitals are mers sites? You think it may be because the harsh disenfectants used in prior years have fallen in decline?

    The…what? No. They have MRSA because people schlupp germs from room to room so they can all do horizontal plasmid transfer, and bathe them in low levels of chemicals that provide the best environment for resistance to arise and thrive. Hospitals that drop the use of antibacterials and antibiotics drop their rates of resistant staph and other nasty germs by very large percentages.

    Strong bases (bleach) and alcohols, on the other hand, simply physically destroy the cells and there isn’t much way to evolve around that, and physically rubbing the bacteria off reduces infection rates. It’s all the fancy “let’s stop its metabolism and cell wall building mechanisms” chemicals that are easy to defeat.

  166. Rey Fox says

    Is it just me, or does foreplay in porn clips tend to be hotter than the actual sex?

    Ain’t just you.

  167. Rey Fox says

    Or has it always been this way and I’ve just been to wrapped up in myself to notice?

    And it’s not even Thursday yet.

  168. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    sandiseattle: I have never let any pony into my heart, nor any horse either. Not even the ones with wings and/or horns. And it is solely to this that I attribute my continued possession of said organ.

    Seriously, I’ve ridden horses, and their alleged appeal completely escapes me. My sister, on the other hand, was always completely horse-crazy from as far back as I can remember, which would put me at about 5; so I have seen the results of Their sinister influence at first hand, even from earliest childhood. In our teens, we were…acquired…by one of the fell beasts, an enormous, brimstone-snorting monster by the name of Julio. Ours was purely a hate/loathing relationship, though I have to say that He started it.
    .
    .
    .
    (Also, it is a bit. Just go with it.)
    -

  169. John Morales says

    Re synesthesia:

    Sometimes, when I’m relaxed and dozy, a sudden noise manifests itself in my consciousness as a flash of light (not just sound).

    (Alas, that’s as close as I’ve gotten to it — like Carlie, I find it a fascinating thing)

  170. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    I used to have a horse. I had to give him away though. Someone attacked him and injured his face, and though the vet was able to help him out, he just became too aggressive and flighty for me to deal with.

    I miss him though. Willy was a nondescript mongrel pony with short legs, useless for any kind of competitive sport, but absolutely perfect for a guy who just wanted to ride a decent horse around.

    Horse riding is one of those things that I was automatically good at. The guy who taught me just stuck me on top of the half-wild bronc that he had tamed a week earlier, and everything fell into place. We ceased to be horse and rider and became…. some sort of mutant centaur… thing. Really.

    It was like I was barely aware I was even in control of the animal. It felt like some sort of crazy mindlink, though of course rationally I know it’s all because of subtle cues between horse and rider, leg pressure, slight changes in balance, etc.

    There was one horse, old enough that he’d never see middle age again but still strong enough to ride, who was such a good natured animal I didn’t even bother with a saddle half the time. Just slip on a blanket and a bridle and get going.

  171. Pteryxx says

    Carlie:

    Strong bases (bleach) and alcohols, on the other hand, simply physically destroy the cells and there isn’t much way to evolve around that, and physically rubbing the bacteria off reduces infection rates. It’s all the fancy “let’s stop its metabolism and cell wall building mechanisms” chemicals that are easy to defeat.

    ^ This. Bleach and alcohols are more or less slate wipers, and evolving resistance to them is only slightly easier than evolving resistance to boiling or autoclaving. Antibacterial chemicals are not only simpler to resist, they don’t work at the low doses and short exposure times typical of personal care products… to disinfect your hands with one, you’d basically have to plunge your hands into a basin of pure antibacterial soap for 15 minutes. They just fill the local environment with trace amounts, perfect for inducing resistance. (I hate ‘em with a passion.)

  172. John Morales says

    djfav:

    Just woke up. What day is it?

    /I need a job.

    Job-seeking day, you slacker.

    (Get to it!)

  173. says

    Well this isn’t related to anything in this thread but I just asked Yahoo Answers if a band I like is religious, and the answer made me laugh.

    Q: Are the members of DIR EN GREY religious?

    “Best” Answer
    A: Don’t know. Anything not of God leads to darkness and apostasy.
    John 12:35 Romans 10:9

    I love the fact they admit that they don’t know, but immediately regurgitate GOD IS TEH BESTZOR!!1!

    I wish there was a “Hitchslap” button on Yahoo Answers…

  174. says

    Never shake hands with a doctor, you don’t know where they’ve been. My MD friends told me that.

    If you use an alcohol or bleach based scrub your skin gets dry and cracked. Very inviting to organisms. If you use anti-bacterial soap you’re just encouraging the worst of the worst little fuckers.

    Plain soap and water, scrub up, glove up.

  175. says

    “Job-seeking day, you slacker.

    (Get to it!)”

    Yeah, I’ve been slacking off. Some guy had promised to call me about an interview last week, but didn’t. And then there was that job fair. Not to mention all the time I’ve spent following up on Work in Texas. But you’re right. I’m just lazy. Grrr.

  176. A. R says

    Sailor: Very true, but when you work with Ebola, dumping Lysol on your previously triple gloved and Lysoled hands is so reassuring. :)

  177. Pteryxx says

    TheSailor, depends on your skin, the climate, and how often you get the bleach or alcohol on it… my hands can take four or five washes in a day without getting cracked, but I’m the exception. Can’t beat an alcohol rub for portability, either. Long-term, soap and water’s still best of all.

  178. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    I’m just lazy. Grrr.

    You and me both, babe. You and me both. Gotta get off my ass. I have a pile of job openings I should be writing CVs for.

  179. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    I can be rather humor-impaired at times.

    Hey, finding a real job in this shitty economy is no laughing matter! I know exactly where you’re coming from. No need to apologize.

  180. says

    “Hey, finding a real job in this shitty economy is no laughing matter!”

    That, and I’m not sure the certification I’m about to receive has prepared me to re-enter the workforce.

  181. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Quick. Is there anything a person can do at home to relieve the pain of an ovarian cyst that isn’t likely to make it any worse?

    I tried googling home care for these things, and the stuff that came up was the kind of antiscience pigshit that Myers spits on.

    Please and thank you in advance for your help.

  182. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    she has an ultrasound scheduled tomorrow, Sailor.

    Pot isn’t an option for her. Some people should NOT smoke pot, and she is one of those people. Without giving out too much personal info about her, pot is a BAD idea.

  183. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    That, and I’m not sure the certification I’m about to receive has prepared me to re-enter the workforce.

    It’s not the certification’s fault. I don’t know that anything could prepare you for entering the current workforce. Unless you’re a computer engineer. Apparently they’re in high demand.

  184. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Dammit, the local wings place closed early! I haz a hungry, and also a big bottle of Ommegang perfect for drinking while eating wings. I love holidays, but I curse them too!

  185. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    A.R.: Thanks. That’s where I should have gone first, that was exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for.

    Unfortunately she poopooed every single one of the suggestions over the phone.

    :(

    I hate feeling useless while she suffers.

  186. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    John Morales: she’s scheduled for an ultrasound tomorrow. She’s wary of too strong painkillers, for both personal reasons and because she doesn’t want to sleep too heavily in case the baby wakes up and needs her.

  187. A. R says

    TLC: Tell her that Ibuprofen (at 400 mg every 6 hours) is quite safe, non-addicting (it’s not an opioid, it’s an NSAID like Aspirin, but safer), and will not prevent her from waking to tend the baby.

  188. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    A.R.: I told her I could get her some of that… and guess what.

    She poopooed THAT too. and decided she’s just gonna try to go to bed. Apparently she’s already taken some t3s anyways.

    She’s CRANKY. Understandably so, of course, and I have plenty of patience.

    I just wish I could help her.

  189. Crudely Wrott says

    Caine:

    Even so, crying at the rodeo?

    My Poor Ol’ Pappy (rodeo bull rider in the 30s) always said that a real hand won’t cry until the rodeo is over and the check is cashed and home is in sight.

  190. A. R says

    Ok, but remind her that the codeine in t3 could mildly sedate her, and the she cannot consume alcohol or any other non-NSAID pain reliever for about 24 hours after taking one of those (the paracetamol)

  191. says

    “It’s not the certification’s fault. I don’t know that anything could prepare you for entering the current workforce. Unless you’re a computer engineer. Apparently they’re in high demand.”

    The cert is in Web development. I’ve been looking for harder stuff to do outside of class because the work I’m given feels just a little too easy.

    It seems in the last year or so everybody up and decided to start using HTML5 and that’s not in the program, or even finished yet. CSS3 is fun stuff, but there isn’t much browser support for it yet. I only started using it a few weeks ago because I was caught off guard in an interview by someone who expected me to know it already. It won’t even validate at this point. And then there are the people who still want to use Flash, even though Adobe is well on its way to giving up on that front. Lots of stuff happening. I just have to try to keep up.

  192. Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan says

    No worries, Sailor. :)

    Rey Fox: I feel better now. It’s been that way since I started watching porn – I’ll sometimes restart a clip just to watch the foreplay over and over again.
    ———————————————-

    I used to want to own a horse. Now I’m not so sure. I used to take riding lessons, which I enjoyed. None of the horses I rode was ever a devilish thing, and I met only one who was either the stable clown or maybe depressed and trying to hide it.
    ———————————————–

    evader: Helluva non-answer there. The poster may as well have said, “I don’t know, but did you know x plus 9 equals kitten?”
    ———————————————

    Off to bed. Might not be able to log on, so just in case, Happy Turkey Day!

  193. John Morales says

    TLC,

    I just wish I could help her.

    You are, just by being there and caring.

    It may not be much, but it’s something — and it’s the best you can do. And I’m pretty sure she knows if you could do more, you would.

    (She ain’t alone, and that’s important. Good on ya!)

  194. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    A.R. , The Sailor, and John Morales: Thanks a lot, I appreciate all the help and kind words. I’ll continue to do whatever I can.

  195. says

    Spirit- Animal Zoo
    +++++++++++++++
    @ djfav, think of it as learning a way to think. Then you know you can adapt to the new versions. Learn on your own.

    In a job interview it’s acceptable to lie if you can learn what you’re doing faster than they can learn you don’t know what you’re doing.

  196. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    In a job interview it’s acceptable to lie if you can learn what you’re doing faster than they can learn you don’t know what you’re doing.

    Yeah, this.

  197. hotshoe says

    I’ve just had two days paid employment. Shoveling shit. Yes, literally, shoveling shit four hours a day, and the rest of the day, general cleanup, etc,

    I’m going to be offered a permanent, nearly full-time job. 5 seven-hour days per week.

    I dunno.

  198. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Shoveling animal shit would actually be OK with me- it implies that I’d be employed close to animals, which are my kinda people.

  199. says

    I just turned my cell phone off. Tonight is my Friday, tomorrow is my Sunday, the day after tomorrow is my Saturday, Saturday is my Saturday, Sunday is my Sunday, and Monday will be just what it is.

    The last week and a half I’ve felt like Thomas Edison … I found a thousand things that don’t work.
    ++++++++++++++

  200. says

    “In a job interview it’s acceptable to lie if you can learn what you’re doing faster than they can learn you don’t know what you’re doing.”

    Not when the lead programmer is sitting in the interview and asking you very specific questions.

  201. Tethys says

    Is this the sturm und drang edition of TET?
    I’m watching Trainspotting. It seems to fit the theme.
    (OMG,OMG,OMG, the baby!,ZOMG these people! I can’t look away!)

  202. says

    Aqualung
    +++++++++++++
    **********WARNING: ROCK & ROLL STORY*******
    The act I was working with was on the same bill as Ian Anderson and David Crosby. We were playing at the Spectrum in Philadelphia.
    We shared a dressing room. That’s OK, it was the 76’s locker room, we had plenty of room.

    I cranked up my portable Commodore 64 and plugged my modem into a phone line. I dialed up into a local SprintNet (?) and dialed down into my local LA BBS. David wanders over and goes ‘Cool!’ as he’s looking over my shoulder. Turns out he’s a member of a BBS The Well (?) in San Francisco which my BBS had a sister agreement with.

    We typed messages to each other for months. It was novel as hell back then. Now get off my lawn.

    Oh, and the guy I was working for? Warren Zevon. (I gots a better story for that night, but it’s a might embarrassing.)

  203. Pteryxx says

    TLC: none of my business, but I’d suggest you (gently) insist on going over to be there with her. Just in case she feels worse at 2 AM, or the kid needs something… think of some good excuses, say it’s no trouble, or you’ll be up all night worrying. (Which you might be, you fuzzy warm heart.)

    But the main reason to be there is to distract her, because distraction can really help blunt pain. So can having less to worry about, as may be true if someone trustworthy is there to help manage things.

    Good luck, TLC, both of you.

  204. chigau (本当) says

    TLC
    I kinda like Pteryxx’s suggestion.

    other thought
    and I think the crocoduck’s head should be about 75% it’s current size.

  205. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Pteryxx: If she calls again, I’ll try that. But I won’t call there in case she’s sleeping.

  206. chigau (本当) says

    hotshoe
    Horse shit isn’t so bad.
    It makes good fertilizer, especially after composting.
    Working for a stable can be a pretty good gig.

  207. says

    Ah, mucking out the stalls. Been there, done that. But nobody was paying me and the goddamn horse bit me on the ass when I bent over the feed bin.

    It could be worse, you could have been pea-picken.

    (where’s blf when you need him?)

  208. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Horse shit? Too bad, if it was cow shit you could use it to make an excellent clay plaster.

    I’ve been watching the finale of Dancing With the Stars… It’s actually even better than I thought it would be. They brought back a lot of the people who got voted off and let them perform pretty much whatever they want. It’s worth checking out Carson Kressley’s (mildly) gender-bending performance to “Vogue,” as well as Chaz Bono shaking it hard to “Big and Chunky.” Man, I love that show. I suppose most of you think it’s silly, but to me it’s like the modern incarnation of vaudeville. Pure, sparkly entertainment.

  209. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    I dealt with chicken shit for long hours of the day for a while, and it was really not worth it all. Then again, chicken shit is way more smelly than horse shit. So I dunno. I wouldn’t judge it on the basis of the shit itself, which is fairly innocuous in my experience, but on the experience of shoveling. Is it going to wear you out and make you unhappy? If so, probably not worth it.

  210. A. R says

    Regarding shit: I’ve dealt with goat shit as a fertilizer back when we had goats as kids. It’s one of the best fertilizers you can imagine, and it comes in a pelleted form!

  211. hotshoe says

    Oh, I don’t think there’s any real doubt I’ll take the job. My family would kill me if I didn’t. I haven’t had steady employment in so long … I do some free lance garden work that I really love but I can’t make enough money at it to put gas in the car much less shoes on the kid’s feet.

    It’s a legitimate operation. They’re paying taxes and they’re not hiring illegal immigrants. They’re insistent about people’s health and safety. There is ice water in hell.

  212. says

    “we had goats as kids” … sorry, I just couldn’t let that one pass. Stable employment? … yeah, I couldn’t resist, twice.

    That’s just Sailor, he thinks he’s funny.
    +++++++++++++++++
    Cry Me A River (Julie London)

  213. says

    I’ve just had two days paid employment. Shoveling shit. Yes, literally, shoveling shit four hours a day, and the rest of the day, general cleanup, etc

    Hmmm… I’m too fortunate to have any right to whine, but even so, there are days at my office job that make me pine for a way to meet my financial obligations by doing purely physical work, no matter how hard, dirty, sweaty, and smelly, rather than the metaphorical shit-shoveling I have to do in fact.

    The moments pass… but that doesn’t mean I don’t really feel them.

    ***
    Sorry I’ve been missing out on the Top Chef talk. Hopefully I’ll (finally!) get caught up over the TG break, and then I can join in.

  214. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    I never minded shovelling horseshit when I did it. I actually kinda like the smell. Horseshit doesn’t smell too bad at all.

    Unless it’s not the kind of horseshit that comes from the anus of an equine.

  215. says

    http://ssrn.com/abstract=1722771 Constitutionalism: A Skeptical View

    This paper considers the relation between theories of justice (like John Rawls’s theory) and theories of socio-economic rights. In different ways, these two kinds of theory address much the same subject-matter. But they are quite strikingly different in format and texture. Theories of socio-economic rights defend particular line-item requirements: a right to this or that good or opportunity (e.g., housing, health care, education, social security). Theories of justice tend to involve a more integrated normative account of a society’s basic structure (though they differ considerably among themselves in their structure). So how exactly should we think about their relation? The basic claim of the paper is that we should strive to bring these two into closer relation with one another, since it is only in the context of a theory of justice that we can properly assesses the competition that arises between claims of socio-economic right and other claims on public and private resources.

    Go ahead and skip to page 14, the section titled “Constitutionalism and Constraint”. There’s nothing terribly interesting before that.

    +++++
    Unique among authors of legal commentary, Jeremy Waldron actually explains a few pages later — I swear, this is real quote — “why I am being such a pain in the ass”.

  216. says

    “It’s not that I care particularly about the integrity of the constitutionalist tradition. It is a pompous heritage, and where pomposity comes in, equivocation is seldom far behind.”

  217. says

    @ Josh

    I have left the squeeeeeeeee in your inbox to prevent another TET crash. Yes, as you would guess from that, Teh Supreme Goddess, Ruler of Typos and Yahwe, Her Divine Majesty Etc Etc Etc, Phoenicia (PBUH) has arrived.

    She will soon arise from the dead and be restored to life (takes about three days I gather) †

    † I did not get any instructions. As High Priest you should be throwing the whole Phoenician Babble at your acolytes.

  218. John Morales says

    LFO – Freak

    ♥♥♥♥♥

    There’s an asymmetry in the perception of comments about such offerings — it’s fine to laud it, but not to diss it.

    (I checked it out — it was interesting… until the ‘song’ cut in)

  219. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Honey badger don’t care.

    ALL nature videos should be narrated by that guy.

  220. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Never been to a rave eh John? It’s all right, you oldsters have your music, us middle-agers have ours, and the youngsters are currently inventing whatever the fuck it is we are all going to hate.

  221. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Sallystrange:

    Honey badger don’t care.

    ALL nature videos should be narrated by that guy.

    I would seriously watch a feature length nature documentary with original narration by Randall. He’s hilarious and as far as I know mostly correct.

    my favorite is the one where he narrated over a bunch of african animals having what they call a “marula party”

  222. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Theo:

    I’m delighted Phoenicia has reached you! I’m shocked, actually, considering I posted her only about 5 days ago in the US mail. That she made her way to your part of the world so quickly is quite a surprise.

    Sorry about the lack of instructions – guess I was thinking more about illustrating Her Greatness. You know what to do anyway, though.

    But just in case:

    Empty the dried culture into a jar of tepid water. Let it sit until it softens. Whisk it thoroughly. Then add fresh flour and water, and set it to ferment on the counter at room temperature or slightly warmer. She should bubble up in a day or less.

    Let me know how it goes!

  223. John Morales says

    SallyStrange,

    Never been to a rave eh John?

    Good guess. :)

    PS thanks for taking my comment in the spirit in which it was intended!

  224. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    If anyone asks, I will smack-talk Nikki Minaj until the cows come home. Kids these days and their “music.”

  225. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Also, I brought some dried Spawn of Phoenicia in my suitcase down to Virginia (a 700-mile trip) for US Thanksgiving. She’s raised two loaves so far, and one is crackling and getting all glass-shattery-crusty on the counter right now in preparation for our feast tomorrow. The rest of Phoenicia is bubbling away happily, but slowly, on the outside porch.

    Good luck, Theo!

  226. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Just a Band – Usinibore

    Okay now everyone be honest – how many music links do you actually click on and listen to? Myself? Not many. I feel sorta bad about it. I should be more adventurous.

  227. says

    @ Josh

    But just in case: [very simple instuctions]

    Hey, what about some religious incantations, using bits of the pope’s body to symbolise a broken cracker (though crackers are ebil – no yeast) etc etc. I am concerned that we have already had a major schism with the gruberphiles (*cough*DrAudley*cough*) and yet we do not have religious ceremonies. Could a mint flavoured shisha stand in for a censer?

    ((I will check out the bread site for a good beginner’s sourdough recipe.))
    ………………………
    @ Walton

    Have you ever seen Kenny Everett? In my mental imagining he is standing in for you at the Pharyngula Saloon and Spanking Parlour. (At least the skits with posh accent. Don’t worry- the whole Saloon was designed by him…)

    Linky.

  228. amblebury says

    Theophontes:

    BOGGLE!

    I’ve often imagined Walton (affectionately, Walton)as Kenny Everett’s ‘Angry of Mayfair.’

    Will try and find a link…

  229. says

    “Die Waltons”

    Oh, yeah, how many times have I said that.

    “Good night Jon-boy” **BLAM!**

    Die Waltons indeed.
    +++++++++++
    I try to have enough info in my links that the songs or TV links are called to mind. It helps to be of a certain age.

  230. says

    Good morning
    Kids had a better night = I had a better night.
    #1 is back to her usual pain in the ass morning-self as opposed to the sick pain in the ass morning-self
    (I can understand her, I don’t do mornings either, so it takes all my patience)

    David M
    Congratulations.
    Say hello to the leg of the Brachiosaurus in the museum of natural history in Berlin from me (my favourite dinosaur. There’s a picture of 9-year-old me in front of that bone)

    ____________

    So, I’m going to invest all my money in solar energy. Not that “all my money” is worth mentioning on a global scale.
    The local, publicly owned energy company is putting up solar panels and they finance the investment with consumer credits. So we’re esentially cutting bozt the bank:
    They get money for less than the bank interest rate, I get more interest than usual.

  231. says

    http://ssrn.com/abstract=896790 by Christopher M.F. Fairman

    The intersection of the word fuck and the law is examined in four major areas: First Amendment, broadcast regulation, sexual harassment, and education. The legal implications from the use of fuck vary greatly with the context. To fully understand the legal power of fuck, the nonlegal sources of its power are tapped. Drawing upon the research of etymologists, linguists, lexicographers, psychoanalysts, and other social scientists, the visceral reaction to fuck can be explained by cultural taboo. Fuck is a taboo word. The taboo is so strong that it compels many to engage in self-censorship. This process of silence then enables small segments of the population to manipulate our rights under the guise of reflecting a greater community. Taboo is then institutionalized through law, yet at the same time is in tension with other identifiable legal rights. Understanding this relationship between law and taboo ultimately yields fuck jurisprudence.

  232. Birger Johansson says

    Ariaflame:

    Anne McCaffery was 85? She must have been among the first SF writers in the magazine SF culture -well, maybe not among the very first, but just six years younger than Asimov, Heinlein and wossname, the Fahrenheit 451 guy.

    Back then, the SF scene was pretty much a men’s club. Must have been tough to make inroads.

    Honey badgers rock! And so did the late Kenny Everett.

  233. Walton says

    I’m back in England for half a week or so. Exhausted from a transatlantic flight.

    I hope I haven’t pissed people off irrevocably with my emotionally-unstable behaviour on the skeptics o’ sunshine thread; the whole topic provoked a full-on anxiety episode (a mental problem to which I am notoriously prone).

    consciousness razor will, hopefully, be satisfied to learn that I’m part-way through After Virtue by Alasdair Macintyre (which has been sitting on my shelf for a month or so, after a friend sent it to me). He’s not the philosopher I would have chosen to read, since he’s a Catholic conservative type and a proponent of virtue ethics; but having been given the book, I might as well read it, and it’s probably also entirely healthy to read works from time to time that express a point of view diametrically opposed to my own.

    So I am not unwilling to read philosophical works on the subject of meta-ethics, but I’m also not convinced that doing so is necessary to forming one’s own opinion on the subject, or likely to change my opinion; whatever language one chooses to dress it up in, I can’t see any coherent argument by which I, as a non-theist and philosophical materialist, can possibly escape the conclusion that there are no objective moral standards and that morality is just a matter of subjective emotion and personal preference, and that basic moral values are thus not susceptible of rational debate. (I gather from Macintyre’s book that this position is broadly similar to “emotivism”, a school of thought which he doesn’t like. However, I haven’t yet got to the part of the book where he defends his own alternative theory.) Macintyre, of course, is a theist, though – like other Catholic conservative philosophers I’ve read in the past, such as John Finnis – he tries to defend his views from a secular (and, in Macintyre’s case, Aristotelian) perspective, rather than appealing to religious authority.

    (But if everything I’ve said above turns out to be either wrong or incoherent, I won’t be surprised. Sleep deprivation is not good for one’s reasoning ability.)

  234. says

    a proponent of

    “the preliterate, superstitious abomination that is virtue ethics, enemy of human rights and enemy of reality. Against human rights, virtue ethics propose that one may become a better person precisely by ignoring another’s rights. Against reality itself, virtue ethics propose that an action may be good or bad, right or wrong, regardless of the consequences, measured only by the supposed virtue of the actor’s inner self. (The cults of action for action’s sake begin virtue ethics’ ultimate descent into atrocity.)”

    but having been given the book, I might as well

    burn it!

  235. says

    Plausibly of interest and likely of irritation to Josh, Official SpokesGay: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1708113

    Using as an exemplar the 2007 “Evangelical Declaration against Torture,” this paper examines the role of religious argument in public life. The Declaration was drawn up by David Gushee, University Professor at Mercer University, and others. It argues for an absolute ban on the use of torture deploying unashamedly Christian rhetoric, some of it quite powerful and challenging. For example, it says: ” [T]he Holy Spirit participates in human pathos with groans and sighs too deep for words. The cries of the tortured are in a very real sense, … the cries of the Spirit.” The present paper considers whether there is any affront to the duties of political civility in arguing in these terms. There is a line of argument, associated with John Rawls’s book, “Political Liberalism,” suggesting that citizens should refrain from discussing issues of public policy in religious or deep-philosophical terms that are not accessible to other citizens. The present paper challenges the conception of inaccessibility on which this Rawlsian position is based. It argues, with Jurgen Habermas, that all sides in a modern pluralist society have a right to state their views as firmly and as deeply as they can, and all sides have the duty to engage with others, and to strain as well as they can to grasp others’ meanings. It is not enough to simply announce that one can not understand religious reasons, especially if no good faith effort has been made, using the ample resources available in our culture, to try. Of course, many peoeple will not be convinced by the reasons that are offered in religious discourse; but to argue for their rejection – which is always what may happen in respectable political deliberation – is not to say that the presentation of those reasons was offensive or inappropriate.

  236. setar, too lazy to log in on his blackberry says

    Currently embarking on a journey to find local freethinkers and test my locality’s tolerance of secularism by posting up some atheistic flyers. Examples are on the Facegalt, er, -book page I made: Fraser Valley Freethinkers

  237. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    Mrs. BigDumbChimp is over —–> there making a Fresh Coconut cake and soon some rolls.

    Still need to do a few more prep things but mostly ready.

  238. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    Rev:

    Mrs. BigDumbChimp is over —–> there making a Fresh Coconut cake and soon some rolls.

    Oh god, I loves me some coconut cake.

    Seeing as thought I had TOTAL CATASTROPHIC BREAD FAILURE last night, I’m about to make a couple of loaves this morning. Since it’s the only thing I’m bringing to dinner tonight, let’s hope it works this time.

  239. says

    Well, my first attempt at French Macarons failed completely. Not spectacularly since nothing exploded, but they failed. I’ll try again and use those lumps for desert.

    Against reality itself, virtue ethics propose that an action may be good or bad, right or wrong, regardless of the consequences, measured only by the supposed virtue of the actor’s inner self.

    Is that where you help old grannies over the street even though that means they’re missing the bus that is just arriving on the side they were standing at?

  240. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    Birger:

    wossname, the Fahrenheit 451 guy.

    Ray Bradbury. There Will Come Soft Rains is my absolute favorite short story.

    Walton:
    Enjoy your trip home!

    Okay, now I’m really really really gonna start this bread.

  241. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    Yeah she does all the baking. She’s much better at it than I am. I’m not always good with the exact measurements and following recipes to the letter. I like to improvise.

  242. says

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    Herzlichen Glückwunsch to David M!

    Theophontes, the story about Cantonese having nine tones is more complicated (three of them, the 入聲 aren’t really different tones, and even the rest can be described as a combination of register and contour tones), but can’t go into much detail right now…

  243. Triskelethecat says

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on TET! May you just enjoy the day in the way that makes you happiest! I’m at my parents so I am missing my baby but also avoiding the soon-to-be-ex in-laws drama. For those of you keeping track, my divorce court date is next Wednesday.

  244. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    Rev,
    Yeah, I do all of the baking, too. I really enjoy it, though, while Mr Darkheart finds it tedious. (Which is kind of funny ‘cos I’m much more impatient/looking for instant gratification than he is.)

  245. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    Okay, the bread dough is rising now and it’s time for some Assassin’s Creed, I think. Back in a little bit. :)

  246. says

    @ Dr Audley

    Phoenicia (PBUH) arrived today (as you might have seen upthread). She is now having a warm bath to recover from her jetlag, before I feed her and put her into the oven to prevent her from catching a cold.

    Hopefully she has risen in the next few days and can start sowing her rich bounty.

    Have you tried making sourdough pizza yet? (We just had a delicious fresh vegetarian spelt pizza on the roof. Omnomnom.) Are you using a pizza stone to bake your bread?

    I wonder if our starters (having the same mommy) will become different over time? Imagine if we can get speciation!

  247. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    (Which is kind of funny ‘cos I’m much more impatient/looking for instant gratification than he is.)

    Yeah, I’m ADHD but she takes that to a new level. So I also find it amusing she can do the baking.

  248. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    theophontes:
    Yay, Phoenicia! Pamper her and she will treat you well. (Actually, if I haven’t fucked the starter up yet, then I think it’s probably pretty damned sturdy.)

    So far, I’ve only made bread with Hans Gruber, but now that I know that I enjoy baking with him, I’m going to start branching out into other foods. I’m currently on the lookout for a good sourdough biscuit recipe.

    I don’t have a stone, since I’m still a newbie at all of this bread-making business (and I don’t make pizza). It’s something I’m going to look into, though. :)

    Okay, now I’m really going off to play some AC:R. I’ll be back in an hour or so.

  249. Birger Johansson says

    Ariaflame, Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart;

    For the benefit of readers in USA and Canada: Bookcloseouts.com is offering a lot of books at half p rice until Nov 30. Below are a few links and recommendations.

    Life Sciences http://www.bookcloseouts.com/Store/Browse/Life-Promotions-Science-Sciences/_/N-1c9Z2je

    Fiction http://www.bookcloseouts.com/Store/Browse/Fiction-Promotions/_/N-2jeZq2

    Science Fiction: Futures from Nature http://www.bookcloseouts.com/Store/Details/Futures-from-Nature/_/R-9780765318053B 100 very short stories.

    Orson Scott Card’s Intergalactic Medicine Show http://www.bookcloseouts.com/Store/Details/Orson-Scott-Cards-Intergalactic-Medicine-Show/_/R-9780765320001B

    Fractions (The First Half of The Fall Revolution) The future as seen from Britain’s Ken Macleod
    http://www.bookcloseouts.com/Store/Details/Fractions-The-First-Half-of-The-Fall-Revolution/_/R-9780765320681B

    Odd Girl Out (Timothy Zahn takes the railway to the stars –and is fighting the Modhri, a really original badass alien enemy) http://www.bookcloseouts.com/Store/Details/Odd-Girl-Out/_/R-9780765317339B

    Other book titles I found that looked interesting:
    Star Trek Crosswords Book 2
    Gaudeamus
    Gravity Wells
    The Light of Other Days (by Arthur C. Clarke)
    Lurulu (Ports of Call) by Jack Vance
    Your Hate Mail Will Be Graded: A Decade of Whatever, 1998-2008 (by John Scalzi)
    Our Lady of Darkness (Fritz Leiber writes a Lovecraftian tale of sinister things in urban California)
    Urban fantasy: Check Kim Harrison,s “The Hollows” series, starting with “Dead Witch Walking” (Hollows, Bk. 1)
    Also, there is a lot of titles by the late Robert Jordan.
    “The Tale of the Body Thief” by Anne Rice is one of the few of her vampire novels I personally liked.

  250. Cannabinaceae says

    Germs:
    When I clean my lab bench with EtOH and bleach, I wear gloves. Every bench in every microbiology lab I’ve ever seen has a box of gloves on it (and a squirt bottle of 70% EtOH). On a side note, a typical dose of ampicillin (“amp”), used to keep contamination at bay when culturing cells, and to select for genetic transformants, is 50 micrograms per milliliter. I was conversing with a student one day, whose cultures had become contaminated despite using amp, and they said something along the lines of “can’t we just up the amp concentration?” I was going to say something disparaging, but self-censored. The stunned look on my face and saying something along the lines of “think about what you are suggesting” was probably enough to communicate the necessary information, something along the lines of “fuck no!”

    TG:
    My own W.U. is now beginning the bread and pie making processes. Fortunately, our neighbor is out of town and we can use her oven for the pies while ours is cookin’ turkey. I have a short break of a couple hours before I have to insert the bird and start on the gravy and taters.

    Q.A. on the Flying Fish Dubbel: a high quality example of what I call the typical Belgian style. While I can like it, I don’t usually like it enough to drink more than one; however one of the guests is quite fond of Belgians (he likes to culture the yeast out of the best ones to use in his own home brewing). I can’t restart the Q.A. process until after the gravy components are put together, because the neck needs to be disassembled with the Very Sharp Knife and I don’t have a recipe for Human Blood Gravy.

    Sitting up here in my office, I can smell the backbone, which I am braising. In fact, I have to go check it out just now.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all who indulge in it!

  251. Cannabinaceae says

    Ah, before I go: I will bake, and I’m good at doing exact measurements, but I never seem to enjoy it much. Except that I do make pecan sandies pretty often (generally, right after W.U.’s kinfolk in Indiana arrange for a couple pounds of pecans from their farm to appear unannounced on our doorstep in Multibore, which I interpret as a suggestion that a couple pounds of pecan sandies appear unannounced on their doorstep).

  252. says

    At least one mormon bishop did report a pedophile to the police.
    http://www.kptv.com/story/16113641/vancouver-sunday-school-teacher-accused-of-sexually-abusing-girl

    The story reports that a man who taught “Sunday school” at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Vancouver, Washington molested a 9 year old girl over a period of several months. The alleged molestation included rape, and the sexual abuse allegedly took place during church service times, in the church building.

    A Clark County sheriff’s spokesman confirmed the Child Justice Center detectives arrested Whitaker at his law office Tuesday.

    In a probable cause affidavit, a deputy said the abuse happened between February and September of this year.

    The Columbian newspaper first reported on the arrest Wednesday.

    According to Whitaker’s website, he specializes in family law and divorce cases and has been an attorney in Clark County for years.

    Whitaker’s office declined to comment.

    Dean Barrus, stake president of the Vancouver Washington West Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, released this statement Wednesday night:

    “We are saddened as a congregation by the allegations that have come forward. When they did come forward, we immediately advised the victim and her family to go to the law and we’ve been cooperating with them ever since. Right now we are all trying to do all that we can to get to whatever the truth is and move forward. We are praying for the young girl and her family.”

  253. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    theophontes:
    Thank you for the linkies!

    The dough has risen properly, yay! No bread failure for me today, woo hoo!

  254. says

    The mormon church’s propaganda campaign is irritating me. The “I’m a Mormon” ads are misleading, since most of those unusual people would be looked at askance in any Utah mormon community.

    The whitewash and lies about the history of the church, and about its current number of members, those articles (often written or sourced by mormons) are bought and swallowed whole by too many journalists … and by us.

    It was a pleasure then to read Steve Benson’s takedown of one of the oft-repeated lies, namely that the LDS Church’s 1890 “Manifesto” ended Church-sanctioned polygamy.
    http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,349215

    Excerpts:

    … the historical record shows that under Woodruff’s direction the Mormon Church continued to perform multi-wife wedlock in private, while Woodruff continued to lie about it in public….

    [Woodruff was the mormon church president, or Prophet/Seer/Revelator]

    Unfortunately for Woodruff, eventual Mormon Church president, Joseph F. Smith, stated unequivocally that he did not regard the 1890 Manifesto as having heavenly origins, nor did he believe it constituted an order from On High to halt the practice of polygamy.

    Never let the facts get in the way of a good faith-promoting story. Instead of supposedly being handed to Woodruff by God, the Manifesto was instead authored behind the scenes by assorted LDS authorities, with the assistance of non-Mormon officials from the United States government.

    Quinn notes, for example, that Secretary to the First Presidency, George Reynolds, admitted to participating in the creation of the Manifesto–in collaboration with Woodruff’s two First Presidency counselors, Charles W. Penrose and John R. Winder.

    In addition, Quinn reports that “Lorin C. Woolley told Mormon Fundamentalists that Wilford Woodruff was not the author of the Manifesto but that it was actually written by Charles W. Penrose, Frank J. Cannon, and ‘John H. White, the butcher,’ revised by non-Mormon federal officials and that Woodruff merely signed it.”

    To top all this history off, there’s a thread on exmormon.org this morning discussing the fact that polygamists in southern Utah still attend “normal” or mainstream mormon churches, and that they are not kicked out. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,349238

    More excerpts from Steve Benson’s exposé:

    “Woodruff carefully worded the Manifesto to read, ‘I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land,’ which means that the entire declaration was Woodruff’s personal advice, rather than a command from God. Thus, a sort of tehological loophole was give for disobedience.”

    “. .. [A]fter he made the most explicit and authoritative public pronouncements that the Manifesto prohibited polygamous cohabitation and that excommunication was the penalty for violating the Manifesto, President Woodruff told the First Presidency and Twelve on 12 November 1891 ‘that he was placed in such a position on the witness stand that he could not answer other than he did; yet any man who deserts and neglects his wives or children because of the Manifesto, should be handled on his fellowship.'”

    Steve Benson goes on to document church-sanctioned polygamy in Mexico, and even polygamous marriages performed by church leaders in Utah — well after the “Manifesto” and well after Woodruff lied on the witness stand.

    T]here can be no question that in October 1894 President Woodruff personally authorized Apostle Abraham H. Cannon to marry a new plural wife [with Abraham Cannon writing the following]: ‘Father [George Q. Cannon] also spoke to me about taking some good girl and raising up seed by her for my brother David. . . . Such a ceremony as this could be performed in Mexico, so President Woodruff has said.’

    “Six months later, Wilford Woodruff gave a newspaper interview: ‘I hurl defiance at the world,’ said President Woodruff, ‘to prove that the Manifesto forbidding plural marriages has not been observed.’

    -“[Also in] 1894, the First Presidency committed themselves to the position that there were circumstances under which plural marriages would not only be permitted but also encouraged, and by the authority of the Presidency, one plural marriage occurred in Canada, six in Mexico, and two in Utah temples.

    -“During 1898, mounting pressures for polygamy resulted in an expansion of orderly avenues for performing new plural marriages. The First Presidency authorized nine more U.S. residents to visit the Juarez Stake for their polygamous ceremonies but visiting apostles were the only ones who would perform plural marriages for residents of the Mexican colonies who were becoming impatient that their stake president would perform plural ceremonies only for visitors who had letters from the First Presidency, not for them. Toward the end of the year, the First Presidency instructed the Juarez Stake president to perform plural marriages for worthy residents of the stake without obtaining specific authorization from the First Presidency for individual cases.

    “Although lower-ranking Church members continued to travel from Utah with letters from the Presidency for their plural marriages to be performed in Mexico, during 1898 the First Presidency established still another avenue for plural marriages to be performed by an apostle in the United States for higher-ranking Mormons.”

    -“The Church president stopped plural marriages in Mexico in 1899 but turned a blind eye to those still occurring in Utah and Idaho.”

    Show trials meant to fool the public, and statements made to the press, are still the modus operandi of LDS Church leaders. When they can, when circumstances allow, they ignore polygamy.

  255. A. R says

    The Mormons: And the best part is that the only serious and remotely sane candidate for President is a Mormon. Think that says something about the Republicans as well.

  256. Walton says

    The Walton has woken up from his nap.

    ahs,

    “the preliterate, superstitious abomination that is virtue ethics, enemy of human rights and enemy of reality. Against human rights, virtue ethics propose that one may become a better person precisely by ignoring another’s rights. Against reality itself, virtue ethics propose that an action may be good or bad, right or wrong, regardless of the consequences, measured only by the supposed virtue of the actor’s inner self. (The cults of action for action’s sake begin virtue ethics’ ultimate descent into atrocity.)”

    I agree with you on the subject of virtue ethics; it’s an unsatisfactory, and an essentially pre-rational, school of thought. But that’s precisely why I’m reading a scholarly defence of it, in order to challenge myself to engage with the arguments for a position I consider to be wrong. For the same reason I intend to read Kant one day (in translation, of course), despite disagreeing vehemently with more-or-less everything he stood for.

    (Though if we’re talking about human rights, your preferred utilitarianism could also be criticized on that ground; a concern I’ve posted about here before, when we were discussing deontological versus utilitarian ethics. After all, in a strict utilitarian worldview there can, in principle, be no absolute or inviolable rights; a strict utilitarian, even one who believes generally in the usefulness of human rights as juridical constructs, must necessarily hold that it would be right to violate a human right if doing so would, all things considered, be to the net wellbeing of humanity.

    Of course rule-utilitarianism, as opposed to act-utilitarianism, allows us to think about this a bit more deeply, and to recognize that there are circumstances in which observing a general rule of respect for a given right has, on balance, good consequences, consequences which would be undermined if the rule were to be violated in a particular case, even if one can easily envision circumstances in which violating that right on a particular occasion would have good consequences in itself. Freedom of speech is a good example of this. Society probably wouldn’t lose anything of immediate value if Rush Limbaugh were to be banned from the airwaves, for instance, and so an act-utilitarian could make an argument for infringing his freedom of speech; but a rule-utilitarian can respond that deciding to censor speech on a case-by-case basis in this fashion undermines the rule of freedom of speech, and therefore gives the state a dangerous level of power and undermines one of the liberties which is, as a practical matter, essential to political discourse in a functioning society. But I digress.)

  257. says

    @broboxley OT

    “can you fake apache rewrite rules?”

    Hmm…

    *looks at some documentation*

    I could give it a try. Should I just contact you at that address?

  258. says

    it’s an NSAID like Aspirin, but safer

    Safer with regards to what exactly ? And Aspirine is not an NSAID, it’s an antiplatelet drug that in high doses (over 2g) has some antiinflammatory properties.

  259. Carlie says

    Hooray for Audley’s bread!

    For those of you keeping track, my divorce court date is next Wednesday.

    I’ll start getting the confetti ready.

    Food is in the oven, mostly. Spouse is still hacking and sitting down frequently so as not to pass out, and just went for a nap.

    I hope everyone has a good day.

  260. broboxley OT says

    difav #400 I ride herd on about 4k of them, if you understand linux and perl you can do that. Hit me up via email

  261. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    Carlie:
    Thanks! It would suck to show up for dinner empty handed.

  262. Dave B. says

    Moniker (Waaaay back up there, forgot the number as I was scrolling – is there a ‘quote this’ button I’m missing?):

    @Dave B, #163, if you’re upset at how it makes you feel, I’d hesitantly aver that perhaps you might be thinking about the wrong person. (I may well be wrong, in which case, please ignore me.)

    I don’t think that’s an accurate summary, no, so please indulge me while I try to clarify. I am offended and outraged that people have to go through these experiences and get treated like shit afterwards, that our society apparently doesn’t just metaphorically kick the victims when they’re down but full-on curb-stomps them before driving over them with a metaphorical steamroller!

    But by accident of birth, I’m in one of the groups least likely to experience any of this first-hand. I’m not incensed and angry for my own sake but for those people in my life and wider community who do have to live under the shadow of rape, be it as a survivor or just under the shadow of fear. We live in the 21st century, dammit!

    This is the future, and yet despite the shiny toys that science and technology have brought us we’re still, apparently, laboured with boneheaded-age (which, I think, may be most if not all of human history! :P) divisiveness, inequalities and pettiness I thought we, as a species, had outgrown. Oh, sure, there’s still some bad science/misconceptions to correct and the odd rogue element and ongoing attention to detail but as a whole society’s mostly on the right track, right? … Wait, what do you mean that my sisters, my wonderful Lady, our next generation will all still be struggling with basic rights issues and live with an ambient level of fear? Yes, there’s a personal level of feeling betrayed by the society I thought I knew at having my eyes opened – but there’s a whole cake under that icing.

    And speaking of food, like most were when I came back and interrupted with a much-longer-than-anticipated reply to one of yesterday’s comments, the bread-talk is starting to make me hungry :P Should make something nice tonight for dinner…

  263. says

    @broboxley OT

    Yeah, I think it’s way over my head. No experience with any of that. Sorry. Wish I could help.

    I’m still a noob. *sigh*

  264. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, liar and scoundrel says

    Oh, theophontes! I missed this:

    I will check out the bread site for a good beginner’s sourdough recipe.

    I’ve been using a basic (mild) sourdough bread recipe from King Arthur Flour. It’s easy to do*, relatively quick, and the bread is nice and chewy. :)

    (I add 1 Tbs of oil to the recipe– it softens the bread up a little bit.)

    *My catastrophic bread failure notwithstanding.

  265. says

    (Though if we’re talking about human rights, your preferred utilitarianism could also be criticized on that ground

    No, not on that ground. Not on the ground that violating another’s rights will make you more like Hercules: “just grant me a single glimpse into something perfect, something completely developed, happy, powerful, triumphant, from which there is still something to fear!

  266. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Happy USThanksgiving Day. And today should be my Tuesday. So tomorrow is second Monday, then Wednesday, then Friday. So yesterday was first Monday.

    Y’know, I’m starting to think you intolerant calendarists have the right idea.

  267. Walton says

    No, not on that ground. Not on the ground that violating another’s rights will make you more like Hercules: “just grant me a single glimpse into something perfect, something completely developed, happy, powerful, triumphant, from which there is still something to fear!“

    Yeah, you’re right. Apologies, I should have been more specific. The criticisms are entirely different, of course. My point was merely that strict utilitarianism has been criticized, at times, for not allowing for any doctrine of absolute or inviolable individual human rights. Of course, whether that’s a feature or a bug is largely a matter of opinion.

    (I’ve encountered some “natural rights” deontological libertarian types online – one turned up on my blog, for instance – who would criticize a utilitarian approach to public policy on the ground that it doesn’t place any theoretical absolute or non-transgressible limits on the power of the state, and that the concept of “net human wellbeing” or “net human happiness” is so vague and incommensurable that it’s basically a licence for unlimited coercion in the name of the greater good.

    Of course, you, as a consequentialist, could coherently respond to this by arguing that we should have certain inalienable or non-transgressible limits on the power of the state not because those limits represent some mystical “natural rights”, but simply because of the entirely practical consequentialist concern that the state, being for the most part an instrument of the interests of the governing classes, should not be trusted with unlimited power. I don’t know if you’d actually make that argument, and I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but it would not be inconsistent with your expressed ethical standpoint.

  268. happiestsadist says

    Blargh. Clueless sexists make me a sad sadist.

    I’d ignore them for a bit and go do my nails, but I’m under the weather, and it seems to have affected my dexterity.

    Happy American Thanksgiving, y’all!

  269. says

    Walton, for some reason I’m pleased that you get to spend time back in England, hooray!

    For myself, I’m going to indulge in the USian tradition of what I’m thankful for today: I’m thankful I don’t have to spend time with my family today. I love my siblings, I just don’t like them very much.

  270. happiestsadist says

    I’ve got a question for you folks: How the hell do you get an avatar?

    Also: Am I the only makeup/nail-polish-bsesed Pharyngulite here? Anyone wanna talk femme-paints with me?

  271. Pteryxx says

    Ray Bradbury. There Will Come Soft Rains is my absolute favorite short story.

    Argh… just hearing it mentioned shakes me. Along with visions of the puppet Mary Robinette Kowal made for the stage play of it… (linky)

  272. Carlie says

    Happiestsadist – Great Christina here on FTB has been doing a series on fashion and stuff, if you haven’t checked her out yet.

  273. Dhorvath, OM says

    Don Quixote,
    Sadness ensues. Sorry to hear about your cat, hugs if you want ‘em.
    ___

    David M,
    The other kind of hugs your way, glad to hear things are going well for you.
    ___

    PTI,

    Is it just me, or does foreplay in porn clips tend to be hotter than the actual sex?

    Foreplay is sex. Hotter? Now that’s a gestalt for me, maybe what you are watching biases in that direction because the things you see as hotter are what the performers or director actually prefer to shoot. I dunno, it’s a huge field and very formulaic so it seems that subtle differences need to dominate much of the time.
    ___

    Cicely,
    Horses seem scary, I think it’s the one eye treatment they always give me just before whickering.
    ___

    Sandiseattle,
    Yes, I found that article worth a read too. Got sucked into the comments a bit.
    ___

    Pteryxx,

    Bleach and alcohols are more or less slate wipers, and evolving resistance to them is only slightly easier than evolving resistance to boiling or autoclaving.

    Them’s strong words. Slate wipers is going to stick for me.
    ___

    Chigau,
    Peas? Now that’s not nice, and calls for some reinforcements. Cicely get the tanks going, we are having another go at the invasion it appears.
    ___

    The Sailor,
    I had a feeling that was coming. Sitting on a park bench…
    ___

    But the main reason to be there is to distract her, because distraction can really help blunt pain. So can having less to worry about, as may be true if someone trustworthy is there to help manage things.

    I suspect this a bit late, but this would not make my evening easier. When I am sick or in pain I don’t want anyone around, so maybe also an offer to take child for the evening.
    ___

    SallyStrange,

    Okay now everyone be honest – how many music links do you actually click on and listen to?

    I don’t listen to everything through and if I am familiar with an artist and don’t care for them I will just skip altogether, but aside from that I click a lot. I just don’t always have something to add by talking about what I hear.

  274. says

    Rev BDC @109, that sounds delicious.

    I arrived in Denver last night to visit the SO, who’s working here, and had Fat Tire amber draft beer? ale? –whatever, it was good. This afternoon we’ve been invited to Thanksgiving dinner with a colleague of the SO–I’m looking forward to meeting colleague and family and trying an American thanksgiving.

  275. The Laughing Coyote (Papio Cynocephalus) says

    Currently embarking on a journey to find local freethinkers and test my locality’s tolerance of secularism by posting up some atheistic flyers. Examples are on the Facegalt, er, -book page I made: Fraser Valley Freethinkers

    This is cool. I recall, several TET’s back, lamenting my inability to find exactly this.

  276. lipwig says

    Colours: It is night time here, almost ready for bed and I am wearing an orange long-sleeved T-shirt with a pair of purple boxers (that a young Italian friend left at my house a while back.)
    In the harsh light of day, I am normaly found in black or one of the colours from the neutral spectrum. Beige, tan, oatmeal(?). When I was younger I chose to wear clothes of a colour and style that would set me apart from other people, but now I prefer to go un-noticed.

    Location: Happy Thanksgiving to all in US. I could google this: but what occasion is being celerbrated during your Thanksgiving?

    Black Tuesday: . PLEASE, NO MORE BANANA REPUBLICS IN AFRICA

  277. Dhorvath, OM says

    Lipwig,
    What occasion? Why the very end of the farming year, or that is what is supposed to be the impetus: Harvest, cook, eat, say thanks for all the good shit.

  278. says

    Good evening

    Colours: Daughter had her ballet class today again. My eyes are still hurting.

    And something is wrong over here. Not only did I get my fair share of the prawns (if you can call 1/3rd fair since I weigh more than 3 times the kids combined), I even got more!

    Oh, and christmas season is defintely drawing near, you know, the season of miracles. With a bit of help from my mum’s cousin, my father has finally realized that his wife is indeed an alcoholic, and that she needs help, and that she’s in acute danger of killing herself with alcohol.

  279. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    First dinner finished (will be giong to future inlaws for second dinner). Roast chicken, stuffing, roasted Brussel’s sprouts, cranberry sauce, mashed yams, and cranberry lambic.

    And watching the Lions – Packers game. And listening to my annual Alice’s Restaurant masscree.

  280. pelamun says

    Gah, just heard that a German high school, where one of my friends teaches at, is being “infiltrated” by a so-called Free Church (read fundamentalist Christians).

    Yes they do exist in Germany, and apparently they’re famous for denying evolution. Now the school building is property of the city, and the city rents it out for events when school is not in session, and sometimes the church rents it for their “Pray Day”. Fortunately, it’s not like in that one case discussed some time ago on this blog ago about an American pastor actually preaching to school kids during school time, but most likely these events are advertised on school grounds.

    Students associated with that Free Church also offer a ridiculous service called “Pray Station”. Yes, like “Pray Day”, they use the actual English term, “Pray Station”, probably to make it sound like “Play Station”..

    Argh…

    Though my friend told me when on the last Pray Day event the pastor prayed for the school, for the teachers to give the right grades etc, the principal got so pissed that he asked the pastor never to mention the school again in his prayers….

  281. A. R says

    Ibuprofen is quite a bit safer than Aspirin, considering the reversible nature of the antiplatelet effects, and the fact that it tends to cause GI bleeding less often. I personally avoid paracetamol due to the potential for liver damage.

  282. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Boy just brought this one up. The colour of hour shirt/top plus the closest object to your right equals your superhero name.

    Which means I am Sage Envelope!

  283. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    And Rizzo and Splinter are currently consuming, with a great deal of delight, mashed sweet potoatoes.

  284. Dhorvath, OM says

    Closest to your right what?
    I could be black mouse, black sleeve, black shoe, black chair, black dustbin, etc.

  285. Minnie The Finn, avec de cèpes de Bordeaux says

    Ogvorbis:

    would make me Olive Stoopidcat.

    I kinda like that. Now off to figure out my secret superpower.

  286. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Closest to your right what?

    Think about it as if you were a history major. That make it easier?

  287. Dave B. says

    Ogvorbis: So I’ll be changing my name now to the Faded Black Scrap of Notepaper with Tea Stains!

    That doesn’t quite sound superhero-worthy, but might make an alright minion for a depraved enough super-villain? Anybody hiring?

  288. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Anybody hiring?

    I think that The Olive Stoopidcat is looking for an unpaid minionintern. That work?

  289. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Dhorvath:

    That makes more sense than any of the others.

    =====

    Girl just reported that Fox News is freaking out becaue Obama’s Thanksgiving address did not mention gods or Christianity or church or religion.

  290. Minnie The Finn, avec de cèpes de Bordeaux says

    Olive Stoopidcat & her amazing sidekick Faded Black Scrap of Notepaper with Tea Stains.

    Hmm.

    Our superpower might be extreme mental confusion upon the villains.

  291. Minnie The Finn, avec de cèpes de Bordeaux says

    Oh, and FBSoNwTS has to be oriental with mad kung fu and/or ninja skills. I get to dress in tight lack leather.

  292. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Our superpower might be extreme mental confusion upon the villains.

    Pick your oponent well and your work is already done.

  293. lipwig says

    @Father
    no gods or Christianity or church or religion …?
    This could go a slippery uphill from here.

  294. Dave B. says

    @MinnieThe Great, Wise and Merciful Master, Tremble Before Your Future Overlord, Olive Stoopidcat:

    It’ll take a bit of make-up to pull off, but with a good choreographer and a few stunt-wires it should work!

  295. Minnie The Finn, avec de cèpes de Bordeaux says

    Dave B:

    I personally prefer Mistress to Master.

    But only because it goes so well with the tight black leather and the stiletto boots.

  296. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Lipwig:

    If Olive Stoopidcat picked, say, IDiots as a supervillain, enough mental confusion is already there that OS’s job is already mostly done.

  297. Dave B. says

    @MinnieThe Great, Wise and Merciful Arch-Mistress (Tremble Before Your Future Uber-Overlord!), Olive Stoopidcat:

    Fixed!

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to put the razor-edge finish on all the fine china so that it’ll make appropriately lethal thrown weapons…

  298. Minnie The Finn, avec de cèpes de Bordeaux says

    So all we need is the right kind of villain and some stunt-wires.

    I smell a franchise coming along.

  299. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    The crimefighting duo, Blue Easy Chair and the trusty sidekick, Purple Bean Bag!

    I think this says something about us.

  300. says

    I have a feeling that Brownie Armchair is the lamest superheroine of all times

    Ibuprofen is quite a bit safer than Aspirin, considering the reversible nature of the antiplatelet effects, and the fact that it tends to cause GI bleeding less often.

    Ibuprofen is my favourite legal drug. Only I don’t do drugs that turn me into half a zombie for 24 hrs
    Yep, I have a serious strange reaction to that stuff. I took it once after my dentist gave it to me. I only took about half the recommended dose and it left me feeling like I was flying while I was constantly running into objects (who put that wall there?)

  301. Beatrice, anormalement indécente says

    Also: Am I the only makeup/nail-polish-bsesed Pharyngulite here? Anyone wanna talk femme-paints with me?

    I’m not much for makeup, but I can talk about nail polish as much as you want. Or at least until I get too tired, which might be soon. I can’t seem to get enough sleep these days.
    Anyway, favorite nail polish colors: red, in every hue imaginable.

  302. Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan says

    Seeing as there are several objects very close to my right, do I have to combine them all into one name? That’d make me Burgundy Mousepad Soda Can Evergreen Cell Phone.
    —————————————————

    Favorite colors: Blue (any shade), Purple (same), red (darker the better), black, dark green, gray (also darker the better), white.
    —————————————————

    Ahhhhhh, they’re already playing Christmas songs on the radio! Make it stop! *turns on that Adam Sandler turkey song…then decides that Addams Family Thanksgiving clip might be a better choice*
    —————————————————

    Guests are here. Laters!

  303. Sili says

    Huh. I’ve just discovered that I’d filel away “limpid” completely wrong in my head.

    I think I had it mean the same as “torpid” or summat.

    I hate when that happens.

    /twitter

  304. A. R says

    Giliell: That is one of the most bizarre reactions to Ibuprofen I’ve ever heard of. Sure there wasn’t anything else in there?

  305. Carlie says

    Blue Easy Chair, Purple Bean Bag, and Brown Armchair will capture you and take you to the ultimate torture, the Comfy Chair! Poke her with the pillow!

  306. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    Carlie:

    But where do I, The Sage Envelope, fit in? Where do we stick The Sage Envelope?

  307. Dhorvath, OM says

    I will have you know that with the correct application, even a pillow and a chair will have people writhing for release.

  308. Carlie says

    I’m watching a Roseanne Thanksgiving episode. Man, that was some good tv. It’s sad to see that there were some really good smart shows in the past, given the shit we have now. (get offa my lawn)

    Father Ogvorbis, I would say that almost anything could be found in the couch cushions, including sage envelopes, but it might sound a bit more naughty than it ought.

  309. says

    Carlie:

    Great Christina here on FTB…

    How very efficient: An offering to Tpyos and a marvelously apt characterization, all in one brief phrase. Well done, indeed! ;^)

    ***
    Apropos of nothing, but why does it seem to take twice as much time (not to mention twice as much space) to clean up after a traditional turkey dinner as to cook it?

  310. Carlie says

    Bill – ha! I didn’t even notice. :)

    even a pillow and a chair will have people writhing for release.

    I see what you did there.

  311. Dhorvath, OM says

    Bill D,
    Hey, haven’t bumped into you in a while. I will take a stab at that: because of the way you cook. I spend much of my time during prep doing quick little clean ups so that things never get unruly basically to avoid just such a disaster cleaning effort at the end. The time spent cleaning seems to me to grow faster than the number of things to be cleaned, but I don’t have hard numbers to give it a big O notation. So I clean when there are five items here or seven items there and they are done in a trifle rather than that awful slog after dinner and desert.

  312. Father Ogvorbis, OMoron says

    And now off to future-in-laws hose for another Tday dinner.

    And Girl just (quite accidentally) came up with a really good alternate name for next month: Distemper. The month of Distemper. I like it.

  313. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Yep, I have a serious strange reaction to that stuff. I took it once after my dentist gave it to me. I only took about half the recommended dose and it left me feeling like I was flying while I was constantly running into objects (who put that wall there?)

    While my reaction to dental 800 mg ibuprofen wasn’t as bad (merely dizzy), I can attest to individuals being overly sensitive to a given NSAID. I do fine on naproxen, which got me past a case of shingles.

  314. opposablethumbs, que le pouce enragé mette les pouces says

    I am The Grey Speaker.

    (the Grey Miniature Speaker With Fine Black Lines doesn’t sound quite so appropriate somehow).

    We don’t stick Sage Envelopes, we push them don’t we?

  315. Therrin says

    theophontes,

    Having said all of that, I usually just hit the power-on and go and make tea anyway.

    Computers can turn off?

  316. says

    A.R.
    Yep, just the ibuprofen. And I’m not going to take any chances with that stuff again. I usually take paracetamol, but i still have a handy supply of novalgin (tradename) left over from the tooth of Cthulu-removal.

    ——

    So, second batch of macarons (made from an original French recipe from an original French cook book, I speak fluent kitchen French) turned out better. Not perfect, but usable.

    Good night, everybody. Happy turkey-day, if you celebrate.

  317. opposablethumbs, que le pouce enragé mette les pouces says

    I can’t be, Carlie, I love chocolate too much! (and I haven’t yet eaten one that has caused me to cease to exist – might be a bit disconcerting, that)

  318. SallyStrange, Spawn of Cthulhu says

    Well, I’ve got a couple of chunks of beef simmering with onions, garlic, and Ommegang ale in my crock pot right now.

  319. opposablethumbs, que le pouce enragé mette les pouces says

    Oh, and I like Death. And also kittehs. (and dogs, even if they don’t talk. Except psychopathic poodles called (iirc) Big Fido).

  320. cicely, unheeded prophetess of the Equine Apocalypse says

    pssst cicely
    .
    .
    .
    PEAS!

    Ahhhhhh!! Where?!?
    *looks around wild-eyed, defoliant tank in one hand, flame-thrower in the other*

    But nobody was paying me and the goddamn horse bit me on the ass when I bent over the feed bin.

    See? Eeeeeeevil.

    It could be worse, you could have been pea-picken.

    Yes; more peas will fit in a given amount of space than horses. Pea bites are very dangerous. And they bite you in the face.

    (where’s blf when you need him?)

    Still AWOL.

    Okay now everyone be honest – how many music links do you actually click on and listen to?

    Um….very few. Almost none. At work it’s a problem in general, and at home I generally have the volume clicked to “mute”, because the sounds that come with Civ III make me crazy. So generally, a link needs to have something texty to interest me; for instance, just now I clicked the “Big and Chunky” link because I thought it featured “Chaz Bono shaking it hard”. I recieved a disappoint.

    Also: Am I the only makeup/nail-polish-bsesed Pharyngulite here? Anyone wanna talk femme-paints with me?

    I wouldn’t say that I’m obsessed with nail polish; I merely use it to cover my unsightly fungusy toe nails. As far as face paints go, I’m playing around with painting butterflies and such on my face; probably not what you mean, at all. :D

    Cicely get the tanks going, we are having another go at the invasion it appears.

    Loaded and ready to roll!
    -

  321. says

    I am the Tie-dyed Blue Coffeemug!

    Wait, whose idea was that anyway? It seems highly biased towards producing stupid names, so I guess that it’s intended for making parody superheroes. Though the cat was closer to leg than the coffee is to hand, so I could get Blue Killer. Or Blue Spottytum.

  322. cicely, unheeded prophetess of the Equine Apocalypse says

    With a bit of help from my mum’s cousin, my father has finally realized that his wife is indeed an alcoholic, and that she needs help, and that she’s in acute danger of killing herself with alcohol.

    Huzzah! Denial of the situation is no help to anyone.

    The colour of hour shirt/top plus the closest object to your right equals your superhero name.

    Then quail in terror of the power of Orange Spray Bottle!

    Apropos of nothing, but why does it seem to take twice as much time (not to mention twice as much space) to clean up after a traditional turkey dinner as to cook it?

    Because you have taken on extra ballast, Gravity notices you more after the meal is eaten, slowing your movement rate by 1/2. Same effect as a Slow spell, only with more gravy.

    […]the tooth of Cthulu-removal.

    Oh, what my players wouldn’t give to possess such an artifact!
    :D :D :D

    Thanks, Benjamin!
    -

  323. cicely, unheeded prophetess of the Equine Apocalypse says

    From the article linked @495:

    One more lesson Charles learned? That marketing is the flip side of science.
    “You can have the best treatment in the world, but if people won’t use it, it won’t matter.”

    Of course, we’re all familiar with the “flip side” of that lesson; that if you have good marketing, it won’t matter if the science is bullshit (*coughhomeopathycough*), people will use it anyway.
    -

  324. Rey Fox says

    Would have depended on what time of day I answered. Yellow Coaster sounds kinda good. I couldn’t count the mouse because my hand was on it. And the coaster has to win out over the paper recycling bag and the file cabinet and even the three-in-one printer. But later on, I was wearing a maroon-and-gray plaid flannel shirt.