Laws be damned


I am relieved that I am not a gay or trans person, since this country is getting worse and worse at dealing with its raging homophobia/transphobia. Even in Minnesota we’ve got self-righteous busybodies harassing people on mere suspicion that they aren’t straight and cis. You can’t even go to a restaurant without someone demanding to inspect your breasts.

According to Gender Justice attorneys, Gerika Mudra went out for dinner with a friend at a Buffalo Wild Wings location in Owatonna. She went to the restroom, and a server allegedly followed her and banged on the door, calling her a man and yelling at her to leave.

Attorneys say Mudra unzipped her sweatshirt to show the server her chest.

In a statement, Mudra said she was shocked by the server’s behavior.

I’m wondering what grounds the server had for pounding on the door if she had been a trans woman? What cause does anyone have for interrupting someone who is peeing? Is that a crime?

It’s not just trans folk who are under attack. Remember Kim Davis, the awful religious kook who refused to do her job as a county clerk and would not issue marriage licenses to gay couples? She’s back. She is petitioning the Supreme Court to overthrow the Obergefell v Hodges decision that legalized gay marriage.

Ten years after the Supreme Court extended marriage rights to same-sex couples nationwide, the justices this fall will consider for the first time whether to take up a case that explicitly asks them to overturn that decision.

Kim Davis, the former Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for six days in 2015 after refusing to issue marriage licenses to a gay couple on religious grounds, is appealing a $100,000 jury verdict for emotional damages plus $260,000 for attorneys fees.

This is preliminary. The court could review the petition in the fall and decide not to take up the case…but come on. This court? It’s packed with conservative kooks who are slavering at the thought of overturning gay rights. They want to roll back everything, and they’ve shown willingness. Brown v. Board of Education? Loving v. Virginia? They don’t feel secure anymore.

It’s not just court cases. This administration is willing to deny people they don’t like their rightfully earned rewards.

The U.S. Air Force said Thursday it would deny all transgender service members who have served between 15 and 18 years the option to retire early and would instead separate them without retirement benefits. One Air Force sergeant said he was “betrayed and devastated” by the move.

I have no confidence in anything gained in citizen’s rights in this country since the Civil War.

Comments

  1. silvrhalide says

    Well, the first mistake was going to Buffalo Wild Wings.
    The Better Half and I went once. The food is terrible and the service is worse. Even BH agreed to never go back and they love junk food.

    That said… WTF?!
    I guess “Minnesota nice” kind of is? If you tried that in my neighborhood, the best you could hope for would be a broken jaw. Not just from the person IN the bathroom, everyone else waiting on line to get in would probably beat the shit out of the bathroom police asshole too. Mostly for slowing down the line.

  2. raven says

    You missed what is arguably the worst right the christofascist will undoubtedly try to take away.

    Abortion.
    Reversing Roe versus Wade left abortion laws up to the states.
    The Red states mostly promptly outlawed abortion.
    The Blue states did not.

    Of course, that means that all the Red state women that want abortions have to travel to Blue states, which they do.
    The abortion rate didn’t go down, in fact it went up instead.

    Basically, once again the Blue states are bailing out the Red states, so they can pretend to prevent abortions.

    The dream of the right wingnuts and christofascists is a complete ban on abortions every where in the USA.
    They will undoubtedly try to do that in the near future while they control the government.

    That will of course, not eliminate abortions.
    It will just make them far more hazardous and difficult to get.
    That works for the right wingnuts.

  3. mathman85 says

    I have no confidence in anything gained in citizen’s rights in this country since the Civil War.

    The ultimate goal of the corpos is, if not straight-up chattel slavery for all but those who can afford to avoid it, then something not meaningfully distinct from it.
    Fun times.

  4. dangerousbeans says

    @Raven
    So abortion rights are a bigger problem than our right to exist? Maybe trying to rank this isn’t a great idea

  5. chrislawson says

    The server should be charged with assault, not just sued. A couple of convictions would be salutary.

    And the server’s behaviour shows the malicious ignorance behind the transphobic movement. It’s not like trans women can’t have breasts from hormone therapy or surgery, and it’s not like cis women can’t have flat chests from normal variation or mastectomy.

  6. StevoR says

    @ ^ dangerousbeans : Agreed. No Oppression Olympics please. There’s far too much oppression for everyone and its all utterly shit and horryifying. It also has Global impacts eg Climate, Science and international politics.

    .***

    The Regressives really do want to the wind the clock all the way back and then some..

    They accuse the left of being “radical” and to quote an ablist, offensive term “lunatic” but as usual that’s all projection on their part sicne the real radicals and lunatics are them. Tragically, appalling they have suceeeded beuyond their wildest dreams thanks to voter suppression, third party spoiler voters and non-voters. Maybe also thanks to Musk? Definitely aided by the likes of traitors Stein and West who should’ve had the sense to stay the fuck out of an election they had zero chance of doing anything at all good in..

  7. StevoR says

    @5.chrislawson : “The server should be charged with assault, not just sued. A couple of convictions would be salutary.””

    Truth. Quoted for.

    Also with their lives threatened it could well be that the server could be considered lucky not to have been shot since reasonable fear for life and stand your ground and right to defend yourself from attack and the USoA’s utterly evil; and messed up gun laws.

    If that did happen a few times with Trans people defending themselves from bathroom police lynch mobs with firearms and deadly force then that might cause some of those bigots to think twice perhaps?

    Am I saying trans people inthe States should do a Han Solo and shoot first when they are threatened? Not really, no one wins in such cases since esacalation, jail tiem for manslaughter, lives taken and ruined and the whole counter-prodctive and destructiev use of violence truth but I’m suprised it ahsn’t aleady and if it doesn’t happen..

  8. StevoR says

    Strike through fail., Sigh. Clarity fix :

    If that did happen a few times with Trans people defending themselves from bathroom police lynch mobs with firearms and deadly force then that might cause some of those bigots to perhaps think twice?

    Am I saying trans people in the States should do a Han Solo and shoot first when they are threatened? Not really, no one wins in such cases since esacalation, jail time for manslaughter, lives taken and ruined and the whole counter-productive and the broader ethical and tactical truth of the use of violence being problematic and destructive and counter-productive but I’m suprised it hasn’t aleady and willbe more suprised if it doesn’t happen at some stage likely soon. Epecially when it seems trans people have little legal protection and rights otherwise. When the laws and insituitiuosn fail.. It’s a horrible conclusion but I admit I’m struggling to see many if any good alternatives that are likely to actually happen.

  9. StevoR says

    @9. dangerousbeans : Okay, will do (wiki checks) :

    CeCe McDonald (..snip..) is an American transgender woman, convicted killer and, after release from prison, LGBTQ activist.[2][3][4] Originally charged with murder for the stabbing and killing of unarmed 47 year old Dean Schmitz in June 2012, McDonald accepted a plea bargain and pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of second-degree manslaughter with a sentence of 41 months.[5][6][7][8][9] McDonald was then housed as a man at the St Cloud prison despite identifying as female.[10][11]

    The confrontation a year earlier started with racist and transphobic comments, became physical when McDonald was struck in the face with a drinking glass by Schmitz’s friend,[12]and became deadly when McDonald took out a pair of scissors and stabbed Schmitz in the chest

    Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CeCe_McDonald

    Yeah, also I do absolutely hate the USoA gun laws, the rest of the world rightly thinks those are totally fucked up awful and need to be changed to actually reduce gun detahs, violence, carnage ad nauseam..

    Its not a good solutiuon, not something really to be recommended but.. just.. fuck.

  10. raven says

    I read some more on this attack on Bluesky.

    This girl was a high school girl and 18 years old.

    A lot of commenters are pointing out that this could be considered a sexual assault.
    A male server forcing a girl to expose her breasts for any reason is way beyond normal, appropriate, or legal.
    If the situation was that critical, he could and should have called the police.
    “Help, We’ve got a suspected male barricaded in the women’s bathroom. Come quickly and arrest them for what? Being a suspected male?”

    I also tried to look up Owatonna Minnesota.
    Didn’t find much. It’s a small town of 26,000 people 60 miles south of Minneapolis towards Iowa.
    Might be an OK place, might be the Nazi headquarters for Minnesota.
    Up until today, it was an obscure nowhere place.

    And oh yeah, Buffalo Wild Wings is now looking at a lawsuit that they will probably lose.

  11. microraptor says

    I’ve encountered a lot of people who claim that they support bathroom laws “to protect [their] daughter from having a creep in the bathroom with them.” Strangely, none of them ever seem to have much response when it’s pointed out that such laws mean that creeps will be allowed to “check” their daughters to insure that they’re using the correct bathroom.

  12. hillaryrettig1 says

    Kim Davis shows up again like a turd that won’t flush.

    I’ve never seen anyone weaponize, well, dowdiness, the way she does. She must hate everything, including herself.

  13. beholder says

    @8 StevoR

    Also with their lives threatened it could well be that the server could be considered lucky not to have been shot since reasonable fear for life and stand your ground and right to defend yourself from attack and the USoA’s utterly evil; and messed up gun laws.

    If that did happen a few times with Trans people defending themselves from bathroom police lynch mobs with firearms and deadly force then that might cause some of those bigots to think twice perhaps?

    There’s a nuance there I don’t think you understand about guns in America (it’s forgivable, you don’t live here), but it essentially boils down to this: marginalized groups aren’t allowed to kill their class superiors without a disproportionate, overwhelming, and lethal response by everyone else in the community.

    You want to start a lynch mob, that’s one way to set it off. More likely it would be a FBI manhunt that would end in a few hours with a dead body. It’s not fair, but that’s the unwritten rule of our huge pile of guns in America.

  14. gijoel says

    I wish the rapture would just whisk these arseholes of to heaven, where we never have to deal with them again.

  15. nikolai says

    @microraptor (13):

    Strangely, none of them ever seem to have much response when it’s pointed out that such laws mean that creeps will be allowed to “check” their daughters to insure that they’re using the correct bathroom.

    It’s much the same situation with their response to the way outlawing abortion in red states has led to increased abortion rates. They don’t care about what they claim to care about; all they want is control, and the things they claim to care about are only for justification to the larger society’s sensibilities.
    Unfortunately, if all we do is point out how strange it is, they’ll take the lack of response as approval and continue on as if no one had said anything.

  16. John Watts says

    Re: military retirement.

    To qualify for military retirement, service members must complete at least 20 years of active duty service. That’s what my father had to do to receive his retirement benefits.

    However, in the case of the transgender service members, I believe they’re being involuntary ETSed (Expiration Term of Service). So, for someone who has already served 18 years to be denied the ability to serve the last two years to qualify for retirement is a kick in the balls. It’s arbitrary and cruel. All that accrued time is now tossed into the crapper and they have to start over.

    We’re suffering under a vicious, capricious government with a monster at its head.

  17. Knabb says

    @Raven 12

    This wasn’t “a male server forcing a girl to expose her breasts for any reason” – the server was female. A lot of the harassment trans women deal with is from cis women, and this fits cleanly into that pattern (and while the article doesn’t explicitly say the server was white, the last article also pretty strongly suggests this also fits within the pattern of specifically straight white cis women harassing queer women of color).

  18. Usernames! 🦑 says

    @microraptor (13):

    Strangely, none of them ever seem to have much response when it’s pointed out that such laws mean that creeps will be allowed to “check” their daughters to insure that they’re using the correct bathroom.

    These morons forget that BOTH trans-men and -women exist. When they enact hateful laws requiring folks to use bathrooms of the gender they were assigned at birth, they are essentially requiring (some) men to use the women’s restroom.

    Oops.

  19. davetaylor says

    @20 — I was just about to post the same point. I have wondered how women will respond when a bearded guy shows up in the women’s room, ’cause the law says he’s really a female…….

  20. raven says

    This wasn’t “a male server forcing a girl to expose her breasts for any reason” – the server was female. A lot of the harassment trans women deal with is from cis women, …

    OK.
    The article I read didn’t say either way and I just assumed it was a male because that seemed like something a MAGA male would do.

    It is going to get harder for the Transphobes and bathroom police right about now though.
    I’ve been seeing a lot of young and middle aged women with buzzcuts or even shaved heads lately.
    It is like in the Punk era of the 1980s again.

    I just checked on Google to see if that was really the case.

    Female 2025 Buzzcut
    TikTok https://www.tiktok.com › Discover

    Aug 4, 2025 — Explore the stunning 2025 buzzcut trend for women! Discover bold hairstyles and inspiring transformations that empower style and confidence.

    According to TikTok it is.

  21. crivitz says

    So how does Clarence Thomas rule when the inevitable Loving v. Virginia repeal case shows up on the SCOTUS docket? Most likely he votes for repeal because even if that results in state or federal anti-miscegenation laws, would anyone bring a suit against Thomas, with all his rich friends? Such a case would go straight to the Supreme Court where…?

  22. says

    It is so obvious, there is NO RULE OF LAW in this country. Lies, abusive lawsuits, and the magat admin. ignoring court decisions proves that beyond any reasonable doubt. We are living in a country run by fascist, plutocratic, vindictive, militaristic, malevolent criminals.

  23. says

    This wasn’t “a male server forcing a girl to expose her breasts for any reason” – the server was female. A lot of the harassment trans women deal with is from cis women, …

    Read a story in the UK where two cis women got in to a bathroom brawl that hospitalized both of them. They were each accusing the other of being trans. Transphobia is just a way to get women to police other women in service to the Patriarchy.

  24. chesapeake says

    My college girlfriend had no discernible breasts so that check wouldn’t work. Would than then lead to a check of her crotch to see if she had female genitalia, the only way to prove her sex?

  25. says

    Riffing on @20 and @21, I’m really surprised some activist group hasn’t done this. Do it with a group of at least 5 trans men (to provide each other support and mutual defense) and let a huge disruption occur with a lot of media coverage. Maybe that would finally get the point across.

  26. beholder says

    @29 RR Rabbit

    Read a story in the UK where two cis women got in to a bathroom brawl that hospitalized both of them. They were each accusing the other of being trans.

    That doesn’t sound real. I bet that started as a joke and later spread around social media.

  27. beholder says

    It’s a good joke, though, I had a hearty laugh.

    The Patriarchy is at least 50% women.

  28. says

    @26: They’ll “encourage” dear old Clearance to retire, make sure their next SCOTUS pick is absolutely racist, make sure Loving is overturned, then Clearance will be shocked–SHOCKED, I TELL YOU!!!–that the leopards are feasting on his ignorant face.

    @27: Same. Holy shit, same. 😭

    @32: I absolutely can believe it. They will turn on their own without a moment’s notice.

  29. says

    I’ve encountered a lot of people who claim that they support bathroom laws “to protect [their] daughter from having a creep in the bathroom with them.”

    Which is ridiculous since a creep or rapist would just walk into the bathroom and do whatever without wasting time, or blowing the surprise, by “pretending to be a woman.”

    (And who did most of those bathroom-bill supporters vote for last year? I’m betting it’s the creep who walked into a girls’ changing-room and said it was okay because he owned the place.)

  30. silvrhalide says

    @34 Thomas doesn’t have to be “encouraged.” All that needs to happen is for the Harlan Crows of the MAGA donor class to drop the lavish “gift” giving and Thomas is gone.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/19/john-oliver-clarence-thomas-resign-1-million-offer

    So yeah, Loving vs Virginia (the irony) gets overturned by Capitol Hill’s scrotum right after the steady stream of gifts gets turned off.

    But what will Ginni do when no one on Capitol Hill takes her calls anymore? Not everyone in MAGA has her husband’s openly stated sexual penchant for farm animals… or women who in some way resemble them. (Yes, Ginni Thomas fits the profile/qualifications for some of the more bizarre of Clarence’s sexual predilections–read the Anita Hill testimony about the kinds of notes Clarence left on her desk.)

  31. silvrhalide says

    @18 One option would be for the forcibly-removed military service people to apply for federal civil service–all the time served in the military transfers to federal service on a 1 to 1 basis and military personnel get extra points on applications for federal service. At least until the bargain basement Voldemort closes that loophole but so far, it’s still open. Additional points if the military person in question had their job “eliminated” (I forget the acronym for it) but that’s additional points on any application for a federal service job as well.

    Another option would be to transfer to state service, which also has a transfer of time in federal service on a 1 to 1 basis as well.

    It’s unfair and wrong but it’s also better than nothing.

  32. says

    @Usernames! 🦑 #20, davetaylor #21, ahcuah #31: In the UK, where a hostile government is attempting genocide of people like me, there have been proposals to ban trans men from both the men’s facilities (because according to a bad Supreme Court ruling that was based on an incorrect reading of inapplicable, already-superseded legislation — see this excellent analysis here — they are “women” 🤮) and the women’s facilities (because they might cause alarm or distress to women using the facilities).

    The context in which it makes sense is that they want us not to exist.

  33. John Morales says

    Ta. That one works.

    Begins thus:

    Introduction

    The UKSC judgment in the case of For Women Scotland (hereafter “FWS”) has caused strong reactions across the UK, not least of all amongst legal commentators; but few detailed analyses of the premises underpinning the judgment have been published for a general audience. This article undertakes that detailed analysis of the FWS judgment.”

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