There is no situation under which someone could owe someone a new Leica except one in which they broke the other person’s old Leica. In fact I’m not convinced anyone ever needs a new Leica.
Owlmirrorsays
In before Stuyvesant High School.
ChasCPetersonsays
Ha! Wow! Same as he ever was!
there’s a kind of nostalgia about it…
consciousness razorsays
I bet Ken Miller believes it.
Nightjarsays
*catches breath*
Oh my. It has been a while since I laughed this hard for so long.
However, I am disappointed. He didn’t accuse anyone of mendacious intellectual pornography.
screechymonkeysays
But the question is, what does the President of Brown University think about this?
Oh man, that was beautiful. I was reading it thinking “please mention Stuyvesant please please please.. ”
BOOM, there it is.
davehookesays
…credible people… Chris Mooney
jenniferphillipssays
Ha! Me too, Carlie, but I was actually surprised it took him as long as it did to mention Stuyvesant. He saved it for the thundering crescendo–what artistry! What discipline!
throwaway, gut-punchedsays
Thanks for that link ChasCPeterson. Quality stuff right there.
Wowbagger, Designated Snarkersays
Oh man, that was hilarious – albeit in a sad kind of way.
Algernonsays
*Sigh*
As funny as it is that Kwok has apparently not grown or changed in all this time as a human being, this just reminded me of why I felt the need to distance myself from the “Atheist Movement.”
Algernonsays
Actually, it’s odd that he hasn’t changed. I can see some of his statements as a dark sort of humor. At the same time…
Well PZ, I hope you realize your career as an author is over before it even got started: John Kw*k flat-out refuses to review your book!
I trust you are appropriately crushed. I can just picture you now, weeping bitter tears of regret into your grog, wondering why, OH WHY?! WHY DID I NOT spring for that Leica rangefinder when I had the chance?
David Marjanovićsays
Has he always been a particularly bratty 11-year-old?
Yes. I’m certain he was born that way.
this just reminded me of why I felt the need to distance myself from the “Atheist Movement.”
~:-| Please explain.
frankbsays
I think Greg did a great job of leading John Kwok on so that we could see to full splendor of John’s idiocy. One of the times I met PZ we talked of John Kwok. Ah, the memories.
“I know someone who knows Eric Holder!” Because, Stuyvesant High School!!11!!!
OMFGLOL.
Algernonsays
Oh, David M, not that Kwok is a particularly pleasant person, but it’s actually very hard to see some one who is willing to take a stand when they have every requisite privilege get attacked for it. I guess it’s just painful for me to see some one like Kwok use some ones assault for a feather in his cap… And it just reminds me of how painful it became to try to be a part of something.
In fact I’m not convinced anyone ever needs a new Leica.
“Need” is a big word, but to be fair they are rather splendid cameras.
David Marjanovićsays
I see. I’m a bit slow at 3 in the morning. :-(
Charlie Foxtrotsays
(Oh, and the post title is even more awesome if you imagine Nic Cage thrashing around screaming it)
Crudely Wrottsays
Amazing.
Blessed with sterling credentials and moving with such august and learned company.
Yet stone deaf and socially inept.
Amazing.
Something perverse inside me wants to hear him talk some more.
Holmssays
Two adult babies having a babyish argument? Not sure I see the significance of this event.
Sastrasays
Greg Laden: OMG shut up.
John Kwok: OMG why don’t you shut up?
Somebody is going to put this to music. It will be autotuned. It will go viral. Somebody, somewhere, is going to get a Leica M rangefinder camera out of it.
Mark my words.
No, you mark my words.
ChasCPetersonsays
No: you mark your words.
wait
what?
ChasCPetersonsays
Holms: laffs.
Azuma Hazukisays
It’s hilarious how he brags about being from Stuyvesant. I’m from Bronx Science, and I can tell you Stuy is a bunch of stuffed-shirt ivory-tower elitists with their noses pegged to the stratosphere by comparison. Stuy also has been rocked by constant cheating and racism scandals; while BS isn’t perfect, largely thanks to that idiot Reidy, we’re a lot more real and down to earth than that.
“@ PZ – If I am bounced off Pharyngula, then you may find yourself losing some friends over at Facebook.”
Silisays
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person …
Ichthyicsays
John Kwok, a day in the life of…
Me: *hears knock at door*
John: “Hi, can I tell you how impressed you should be that I, a graduate of the famous Stuyvesant high, chose to knock on your door?”
Me: “uh…”
John: “Oh, I suppose I should get the point. Did you know a friend of yours did something I disapprove of?”
Me: “uh…”
John: “Right, so if you don’t denounce your friend, right this second, publicly, I shall chastise you and report you to my fellow Stuyvessant alumni!”
Me: “uh… you seem to have some cognitive difficulties that are interfering with your ability to form coherent communication.”
John: “How DARE you! Leave your house this instant and never speak to me again!”
Me: “…”
chrislawsonsays
Algernon,
Kwok isn’t really representative of the “Atheist Movement” since pretty much nobody can stand him AFAIK. (There are other reasons for distancing oneself from the movement at the moment; Kwok isn’t a good one.)
I find him a puzzling character. When I first started to notice him on PT threads, he almost always started off with perfectly sensible, rational comments…but about a dozen comments down-thread he would become a raging incoherent illogical mess who would refuse to abandon a position even if it had been amply demonstrated to be false.
Ichthyicsays
I guess it’s just painful for me to see some one like Kwok use some ones assault for a feather in his cap…
You have to take this as it is, Kwok has a serious case of NPD, or a related personality disorder.
he’s not trying for a feather in his cap, he’s just failing to deal with his issues, as has been the case for over 5 years that I am aware of. He does not perceive the harm he causes, even.
Would you feel the same about Dennis Markuze, regardless of what high school he graduated from?
chrislawsonsays
Olav, the Leica is indeed a good camera, but I’m not sure it’s worth 5-10x the price of other cameras with similar tech specs.
carliesays
chrislawson – Algernon is a long-time veteran of the early days of the atheist wars, long before the big stuff started happening and Kw*k and his ilk were our main sources of diversion. Algernon definitely has the specs on our Stuyvesant alum. :)
Bernard Bumnersays
Hell hath no furybuffoonish peacockery like a Kw*k scorned.
Anrisays
Well, the cool thing about us is that if we bash someone, even if they’re idiots, we give ’em the opportunity to pop on by and say something in their defense.
Oh, wait.
(Kidding. Mostly.)
In all seriousness, I had been under the impression that the entire reason for banning someone was to not have to deal with or hear from them again.
So why this thread?
Don’t get me wrong, there might be a perfectly good reason to re-engage, but I’m not seeing it at the moment.
DLCsays
K0Wok is a kook.
The people around here put up with him for what seemed like forever, before PZ slapped him silly with the Ban-Hammer.
He’s still a kook. Some things never change.
Leicas are German craftsmanship at it’s finest. (if you’re a camera buff).
But yeah, there’s plenty of cameras that will equal or exceed theirs in terms of performance.
Basically you’re paying for the German Engineering and the Leica name. It’s something like buying a BMW over a Cadillac. Most of what you’re buying is imponderables, the two cars are probably quite comparable.
Bernard Bumnersays
…I had been under the impression that the entire reason for banning someone was to not have to deal with or hear from them again.
I think the idea is just to deprive them of a platform in this particular forum.
So why this thread?
Why not? As long as Kw*k continues to make demands via all and sundry for photographic equipment by way of undeserved recompense for entirely deserved slights, why shouldn’t PZ continue to mock him?
David Marjanovićsays
BS isn’t perfect
I just wanted to take this out of context. :-)
You have to take this as it is, Kwok has a serious case of NPD, or a related personality disorder.
he’s not trying for a feather in his cap
Or, rather, he only tries for feathers in his cap. Probably even in his sleep.
I agree he needs help if such a thing exists.
Basically you’re paying for the German Engineering and the Leica name. It’s something like buying a BMW over a Cadillac. Most of what you’re buying is imponderables, the two cars are probably quite comparable.
See also: the sticker “Made in China – Designed by Apple in California” I’ve seen on keyboards that came with very expensive computers.
I think the idea is just to deprive them of a platform in this particular forum.
Exactly. PZ doesn’t cease to point and laugh.
Antiochus Epiphanessays
This is the best thing that I have ever read. Can parody be unintentional? Seriously. If there were a website on which Laden and Kwok exchanged comments* all day long, I would never read Pharyngula again.
*Not really a conversation, innit?
Anrisays
Bernard Bumner:
Hmm, ok. I certainly don’t want this to be a thing, as it’s not that important to you, me, or anyone here.
It just seemed odd that one would go through the trouble of following up on the antics of someone they barred from their (virtual) home for being an insipid bore.
I’m over-thinking this, I imagine.
Trebuchet says
Speaking of “old friends”, I see Dennis Markuze showing up here lately. I trust you folks are notifying the appropriate authorities in Montreal.
Greg should stop feeding the troll.
BrianX says
There is no situation under which someone could owe someone a new Leica except one in which they broke the other person’s old Leica. In fact I’m not convinced anyone ever needs a new Leica.
Owlmirror says
In before Stuyvesant High School.
ChasCPeterson says
Ha! Wow! Same as he ever was!
there’s a kind of nostalgia about it…
consciousness razor says
I bet Ken Miller believes it.
Nightjar says
*catches breath*
Oh my. It has been a while since I laughed this hard for so long.
However, I am disappointed. He didn’t accuse anyone of mendacious intellectual pornography.
screechymonkey says
But the question is, what does the President of Brown University think about this?
Charlie Foxtrot says
Woah! Flashbacks!
It’ll be offended Catholics next! Awesome!
Xanthë, chronic tuck says
And panegyrics about learning English literature from Frank McCourt’s knee? I wonder if he’s finished that novel he was threatening upon the world.
Naked Bunny with a Whip says
I don’t remember Mr. Kwok all that well.
Has he always been a particularly bratty 11-year-old?
Caine, Fleur du mal says
Wow. Some things and some people just never change.
ChasCPeterson says
I am feeling so misty over this that I’ma re-post this bit of classic Pharyngulalia:
Kw*k’s first novel: a prereview
carlie says
Oh man, that was beautiful. I was reading it thinking “please mention Stuyvesant please please please.. ”
BOOM, there it is.
davehooke says
jenniferphillips says
Ha! Me too, Carlie, but I was actually surprised it took him as long as it did to mention Stuyvesant. He saved it for the thundering crescendo–what artistry! What discipline!
throwaway, gut-punched says
Thanks for that link ChasCPeterson. Quality stuff right there.
Wowbagger, Designated Snarker says
Oh man, that was hilarious – albeit in a sad kind of way.
Algernon says
*Sigh*
As funny as it is that Kwok has apparently not grown or changed in all this time as a human being, this just reminded me of why I felt the need to distance myself from the “Atheist Movement.”
Algernon says
Actually, it’s odd that he hasn’t changed. I can see some of his statements as a dark sort of humor. At the same time…
irisvanderpluym says
Well PZ, I hope you realize your career as an author is over before it even got started: John Kw*k flat-out refuses to review your book!
I trust you are appropriately crushed. I can just picture you now, weeping bitter tears of regret into your grog, wondering why, OH WHY?! WHY DID I NOT spring for that Leica rangefinder when I had the chance?
David Marjanović says
Yes. I’m certain he was born that way.
~:-| Please explain.
frankb says
I think Greg did a great job of leading John Kwok on so that we could see to full splendor of John’s idiocy. One of the times I met PZ we talked of John Kwok. Ah, the memories.
irisvanderpluym says
“I know someone who knows Eric Holder!” Because, Stuyvesant High School!!11!!!
OMFGLOL.
Algernon says
Oh, David M, not that Kwok is a particularly pleasant person, but it’s actually very hard to see some one who is willing to take a stand when they have every requisite privilege get attacked for it. I guess it’s just painful for me to see some one like Kwok use some ones assault for a feather in his cap… And it just reminds me of how painful it became to try to be a part of something.
Olav says
BrianX #2:
“Need” is a big word, but to be fair they are rather splendid cameras.
David Marjanović says
I see. I’m a bit slow at 3 in the morning. :-(
Charlie Foxtrot says
(Oh, and the post title is even more awesome if you imagine Nic Cage thrashing around screaming it)
Crudely Wrott says
Amazing.
Blessed with sterling credentials and moving with such august and learned company.
Yet stone deaf and socially inept.
Amazing.
Something perverse inside me wants to hear him talk some more.
Holms says
Two adult babies having a babyish argument? Not sure I see the significance of this event.
Sastra says
Greg Laden: OMG shut up.
John Kwok: OMG why don’t you shut up?
Somebody is going to put this to music. It will be autotuned. It will go viral. Somebody, somewhere, is going to get a Leica M rangefinder camera out of it.
Mark my words.
No, you mark my words.
ChasCPeterson says
No: you mark your words.
wait
what?
ChasCPeterson says
Holms: laffs.
Azuma Hazuki says
It’s hilarious how he brags about being from Stuyvesant. I’m from Bronx Science, and I can tell you Stuy is a bunch of stuffed-shirt ivory-tower elitists with their noses pegged to the stratosphere by comparison. Stuy also has been rocked by constant cheating and racism scandals; while BS isn’t perfect, largely thanks to that idiot Reidy, we’re a lot more real and down to earth than that.
And boy does it show, in his writing.
rorschach says
teh he, good old times! I agree, Greg shouldn’t feed that particular troll.
*waves at Algernon*
ChasCPeterson says
WHAT? I’ll have you know that J*hn was personally mentored by a certain celebrated and well-known memoirist who shall remain nameless.
Charlie Foxtrot says
dammit – now he’s made me go an’ buy ‘The Happy Atheist’ off Amazon as well! Has he no shame!?
firstapproximation says
I feel bad for enjoying that so much.
For those who don’t know who John Kwok is.
His Facebook threat is a classic:
“@ PZ – If I am bounced off Pharyngula, then you may find yourself losing some friends over at Facebook.”
Sili says
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person …
Ichthyic says
John Kwok, a day in the life of…
Me: *hears knock at door*
John: “Hi, can I tell you how impressed you should be that I, a graduate of the famous Stuyvesant high, chose to knock on your door?”
Me: “uh…”
John: “Oh, I suppose I should get the point. Did you know a friend of yours did something I disapprove of?”
Me: “uh…”
John: “Right, so if you don’t denounce your friend, right this second, publicly, I shall chastise you and report you to my fellow Stuyvessant alumni!”
Me: “uh… you seem to have some cognitive difficulties that are interfering with your ability to form coherent communication.”
John: “How DARE you! Leave your house this instant and never speak to me again!”
Me: “…”
chrislawson says
Algernon,
Kwok isn’t really representative of the “Atheist Movement” since pretty much nobody can stand him AFAIK. (There are other reasons for distancing oneself from the movement at the moment; Kwok isn’t a good one.)
I find him a puzzling character. When I first started to notice him on PT threads, he almost always started off with perfectly sensible, rational comments…but about a dozen comments down-thread he would become a raging incoherent illogical mess who would refuse to abandon a position even if it had been amply demonstrated to be false.
Ichthyic says
You have to take this as it is, Kwok has a serious case of NPD, or a related personality disorder.
he’s not trying for a feather in his cap, he’s just failing to deal with his issues, as has been the case for over 5 years that I am aware of. He does not perceive the harm he causes, even.
Would you feel the same about Dennis Markuze, regardless of what high school he graduated from?
chrislawson says
Olav, the Leica is indeed a good camera, but I’m not sure it’s worth 5-10x the price of other cameras with similar tech specs.
carlie says
chrislawson – Algernon is a long-time veteran of the early days of the atheist wars, long before the big stuff started happening and Kw*k and his ilk were our main sources of diversion. Algernon definitely has the specs on our Stuyvesant alum. :)
Bernard Bumner says
Hell hath no
furybuffoonish peacockery like a Kw*k scorned.Anri says
Well, the cool thing about us is that if we bash someone, even if they’re idiots, we give ’em the opportunity to pop on by and say something in their defense.
Oh, wait.
(Kidding. Mostly.)
In all seriousness, I had been under the impression that the entire reason for banning someone was to not have to deal with or hear from them again.
So why this thread?
Don’t get me wrong, there might be a perfectly good reason to re-engage, but I’m not seeing it at the moment.
DLC says
K0Wok is a kook.
The people around here put up with him for what seemed like forever, before PZ slapped him silly with the Ban-Hammer.
He’s still a kook. Some things never change.
Leicas are German craftsmanship at it’s finest. (if you’re a camera buff).
But yeah, there’s plenty of cameras that will equal or exceed theirs in terms of performance.
Basically you’re paying for the German Engineering and the Leica name. It’s something like buying a BMW over a Cadillac. Most of what you’re buying is imponderables, the two cars are probably quite comparable.
Bernard Bumner says
I think the idea is just to deprive them of a platform in this particular forum.
Why not? As long as Kw*k continues to make demands via all and sundry for photographic equipment by way of undeserved recompense for entirely deserved slights, why shouldn’t PZ continue to mock him?
David Marjanović says
I just wanted to take this out of context. :-)
Or, rather, he only tries for feathers in his cap. Probably even in his sleep.
I agree he needs help if such a thing exists.
See also: the sticker “Made in China – Designed by Apple in California” I’ve seen on keyboards that came with very expensive computers.
Exactly. PZ doesn’t cease to point and laugh.
Antiochus Epiphanes says
This is the best thing that I have ever read. Can parody be unintentional? Seriously. If there were a website on which Laden and Kwok exchanged comments* all day long, I would never read Pharyngula again.
*Not really a conversation, innit?
Anri says
Bernard Bumner:
Hmm, ok. I certainly don’t want this to be a thing, as it’s not that important to you, me, or anyone here.
It just seemed odd that one would go through the trouble of following up on the antics of someone they barred from their (virtual) home for being an insipid bore.
I’m over-thinking this, I imagine.