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Sep 20 2013

This is our opposition

Twitter has become the place where every rabid misogynist feels empowered to fling poo at me. The latest is this amazing cure for feminism:

Look at that. Misogyny and racism and stupidity, all in one place. And they wonder why I hit the block button half a dozen times a day.

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  1. 1
    Gregory in Seattle

    Today, I am grateful I cannot watch YouTube at work. I really do not want to watch a video like you describe.

  2. 2
    nomadiq

    This ‘plan’ is pretty Manson-family-esque. Not to mention, stupidly racist, stupidly sexists and just stupid. Also, this idiot is going to get lost at sea if he thinks sailing to the right is the best way to get to Japan from the US. Looks like he is going to be the one with the small pee-pee, overboard and drowning.

  3. 3
    Max

    Wasn’t this an April Fools video?

  4. 4
    sharkjack

    wait did Europe just sink into the ocean or something? Wouldn’t it be easier to go to Japan from the West coast? There is so much wrong with this video it’s just sad.

  5. 5
    jehk

    YouTube April Fools’ Day videos. The gift that keeps on giving.

  6. 6
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    @Max:

    Is that the “it’s just a joke” defense I smell?

  7. 7
    Ichthyic

    I keep wondering if Twitter will end up being the cause of an artificially engendered type of ADD for a lot of people.

    I’ve tried it, several times, and it seems like a constant disaster waiting to happen in double quick time.

    no security
    no oversight
    too easy to fuck up what you’re saying because it moves so fast

    no sir, don’t like it.

  8. 8
    ekwhite

    Max @3. If this was “just a joke,” it sure as hell wasn’t funny. Even if it was an April Fool’s joke, it reveals a lot about this guy’s attitude, and none of it is pretty.

  9. 9
    steffp

    Uh, uh… how should someone who thinks Japan is right next to “murrica” know about ūman ribu, WOLF or other feminist movements in Japan. As for Japanese women desiring to mate with chunky monolingual morons, who want to take them to another country, Madam Butterfly anyone? I’m pretty sure the Japanese self-defense forces would sink that rapist ship, and that would indeed save the world…
    Next concept, please

  10. 10
    sqlrob

    And they wonder why I hit the block button half a dozen times a day.

    I wonder why you hit the block button half a dozen times a day too.

    That’s it? I expected a bunch more with all the vitriol by pitters and such that is directed your way.

  11. 11
    borax

    Well, that sure was a turd in the punch bowl. Its rare that I see something so ill conceived and orchestrated. I couldn’t even figure out what the intent was.

  12. 12
    ledasmom

    I can’t watch this without hearing, somewhere in my head, the sound of a cat scratching litter over a turd.

  13. 13
    Alverant

    Just from the preview picture you can tell the creator of that video must be a very pathetic individual. This appears to be one of those videos that inadvertently support what they’re against by proving the very points they are rallying against.

  14. 14
    robb

    speechless.

  15. 15
    Rey Fox

    And they wonder why I hit the block button half a dozen times a day.

    OMG TEH FASCIST

  16. 16
    stwriley

    I call a Poe on this one. There’s no way he’s serious. I think he’s attempting to mock the stupidity as well as the misogyny of anti-feminists (and nothing says “stupid” better than crude and casual racism and sexism.) If he was really this stupid, he couldn’t have figured out how to produce the animation, crude though it is.

    Nope, this has to be a poorly executed Poe. Criticize him for not doing it well, but don’t label him as what he’s (almost) certainly trying to mock.

  17. 17
    Samuel Vimes

    People who post April Fools’ videos are our enemy?

  18. 18
    Ganner

    At first watch I was leaning heavily toward Poe, or maybe even an attempt to make fun of the misogynists. I mean, the “Thanks mom for letting me stay up past 10 to make this” in the credits? But the guy who uploaded this has tons of MRA/MGTOW videos uploaded, did a long interview with MGTOW radio. I think our counterparts just really are this juvenile.

  19. 19
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    stwriley

    I call a Poe on this one.

    *yawn*
    Do you actually remember what Poe’s law says? It’s about the fact that the original is so horrible that the parody is mistaken as the original. Which means that for something to be a Poe something equally horrible must exist.
    So, the safe bet is to take it as real until proven otherwise.

    +++
    I loved the “specials thanks to my mom” at the end

  20. 20
    Chie Satonaka

    Go Galt already. I assure you that our society will not crumble when you take your sperm away. In fact, we will be better off if you do not procreate. Thanks.

  21. 21
    culuriel

    First of all, he states that the men will leave and see how the feminists like it when the men are gone. Well, I certainly won’t complain (sorry, awesome guys on this website). Then he states that the feminists won’t be able to grow/make their own food. Is he stupid? Plenty of women work on farms and garden. I think we’ll figure it out. Then he says that by the time men come back (with Asian wives), the feminists will just have been complaining that there weren’t any men to take care of them. I can already take care of myself. And if I have to buy food from a feminist farming collective while the men are gone, that sounds like a win-win. For me. Enjoy Japan guys, I hear the water’s only slightly irradiated.

  22. 22
    James Mathurin

    It may be an April Fool’s joke, but look at the other uploads on his channel. Bollocks about ‘feminists in France making flirting illegal’, etc. If it’s a joke, it’s only because he knows he can never live out the fantasy outlined in the video.

  23. 23
    =8)-DX

    It was an MRA April Fools video, so clearly the author doesn’t actually seriously think it was a viable idea. Nevertheless the guy’s opinions are terrible.

    One good image I took from it was a US entirely populated by feminists. Just imagine! You might even catch up with Europe that way!

    (ducks, hides behind the sofa shouting SORRY, SORRY!)

  24. 24
  25. 25
    Ingdigo Jump

    Points off for plagiarizing Atlas Shrugged (Atlas Shagged?)

  26. 26
    Holms

    Also, this idiot is going to get lost at sea if he thinks sailing to the right is the best way to get to Japan from the US.

    wait did Europe just sink into the ocean or something? Wouldn’t it be easier to go to Japan from the West coast?

    Well. While we’re nitpicking, maybe the camera perspective was simply facing south? Checkmate, feminists!

    Looks like he is going to be the one with the small pee-pee, overboard and drowning.

    Is belittling the anatomy of anyone ever relevant?

  27. 27
    Mike

    Well I know at least 2 feminists in Japan, and they have wide circles of friends so I’m sure the number climbs dramatically from there.

  28. 28
    PZ Myers

    It may be an April Fool’s video, but it’s September, and it was sent at me today by a known MRA. You might also try reading the youtube comments — the MRAs aren’t treating it as a big joke.

  29. 29
    anteprepro

    Even if it is supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek little romp, I am galled by the fact that they did so by bringing race into it, and playing the “submissive asian woman” stereotype as straight as a fucking arrow. Fuck.

  30. 30
    robro

    A bit off topic, but only just so: Speaking of raging misogyny, homophobia, racism, and other cherished human values, you’ll be pleased to know that Pope Frank is doing his part: Pope Blasts Abortion After Decrying Focus on Rules. Apparently the day before he said something in an interview that was marginally human, “blasting the church’s obsession with ‘small-minded rules’ that are driving the faithful [ aka donors ] away and urging it focus instead on being merciful and welcoming” This has “sent shock waves throughout the church.” My goodness! But it’s ok, he’s fixed that by saying that every unborn child looks like a 1st CE person from Palestine. Who knew.

  31. 31
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    @PZ:

    I think that was exactly mine and Gilliel’s points.

  32. 32
    hillaryrettig

    Here’s another look at the enemy:

    “Many sexist slurs and insults were lobbed against female activists by orthodox Jewish men. One woman was actually told by a man of the Ohel Moshe synagogue “you deserve to be raped — you’d like it, wouldn’t you?”. People laughed and mocked the chicken’s cries of anguish. Dead body parts were thrown over fences at us. Fights broke out. Half a dozen police cars were on site, as well as a police helicopter. It was sheer pandemonium. It wasn’t a protest — it was a war.”

    This was during a protest of kapparos, a new year’s festival in which Orthodox Jews fling live chickens over their heads to symbolically remove their sins. The chickens are tormented through every part of the process, and eventually inhumanely slaughtered and thrown away.

    Note the gratuitous mysogyny.

    Too many atheist meat eaters refuse to recognize the religious roots of meat eating and animal exploitation. In Genesis 1.26: god gives man dominion over the earth, and in Genesis 3.16 god gives man dominion over women. That’s not the only root – obviously non-Western cultures also promote male dominance – but it is an important root, at least here in the West.

  33. 33
    Ingdigo Jump

    What the fuck does that last part have to do with the topic?

  34. 34
    David Marjanović

    It may be an April Fool’s video, but it’s September, and it was sent at me today by a known MRA. You might also try reading the youtube comments — the MRAs aren’t treating it as a big joke.

    Wow, that speaks volumes about their intelligence. Not only does the whole thing look and sound like almost deadpanned satire of Morally Repugnant Assholism, take a look at the credits: of the two people mentioned, one (the one with all jobs except “Director”) is called “GeneralWomanizer”, and at the very end (2:01), as several people here have mentioned, it says:

    “Special thanks to my mom
    for letting me stay up past 10 to work on this :) “

    !!!

    I conclude that the guy who uploaded this isn’t the one who made it, but took it for real. Now that’s a look into a brain I really didn’t want to look into.

  35. 35
    David Marjanović

    the religious roots of meat eating

    What utter nonsense! Chimpanzees, bonobos and orang-utans eat meat, and there are occasional reports of gorillas not being completely vegan either. Meat-eating is older than religion.

  36. 36
    hillaryrettig

    33Ingdigo Jump – it’s about intersectionality, and the commonality of oppression. Mysogynist jerks are going to oppress.

    35DavidM – Points off for selective reading. I said religion was one of the roots.

  37. 37
    hillaryrettig

    33 Unless you think it’s just random that a bunch of guys at a religious ceremony threaten female activists with rape?

  38. 38
    sadunlap

    To paraphrase Andre the Giant from The Princess Bride: “Uh, I don’t think that word means what you think it does.”

    Slight change of subject:

    I realize that Marilyn Waring is a bit of an obscure figure in feminism; therefore, I like to mention her work in every appropriate thread and I think this one qualifies. In the 70s she taught herself economics then wrote a book called If Women Counted in which she pointed out that (at the time and probably now too) half the economic activity in the world is women working without receiving pay (this includes subsistence farming in addition to “traditional” women’s tasks of child-rearing, etc). Because they do not receive money for their labor none of the economic measurements nor theories “counts” them or their work.

    This is the main reason I find it difficult to take most economists seriously: they ignore half of the economic activity taking place in the world. Most of them are barely one step above Mr. Sail-East-to-Japan. (Maybe calling the region “East Asia” confuses him?).

  39. 39
    Ingdigo Jump

    hillaryrettig

    The comment about mean is off topic and frankly fucking offensive.

    You are so far off fucking topic that it is damn insulting. Take it else where.

  40. 40
    hillaryrettig

    33 And unless bonobos, etc., sacrifice birds to cleanse themselves of sins. If they don’t, then gee – that part must be due to religion.

    (I’m really missing the edit button here, as you can tell.)

  41. 41
    Ingdigo Jump

    *Meat

    Hillary, drop the meat stuff or take it else where. It is threadjacking in it’s purist form

  42. 42
    Daz: Experiencing A Slight Gravitas Shortfall

    Monitor Note:

    hillaryrettig

    By all means discuss misogyny and racism here; that’s the topic of the OP. If you wish to discuss veganism/vegetarianism, however, please take it to the Thunderdome.

    Thank you.

  43. 43
    hillaryrettig

    DAZ thanks for the clarification.

  44. 44
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @Daz, Thank you.

  45. 45
    Gregory Greenwood

    Ultimately, it really doesn’t matter whether this was intended as some incredibly poorly executed piece of satrire or was a straightforward case of misogynistic and racist bigotry being spewed by a prejudiced MRA twit (the second scenario seeming entirely possible given the limitless capacity of misogynists for ignorant, ranting arsehattery) – if it was meant in earnest, then it simply one more unsurprising (though still utterly repugnant) example of how deep the internet well of hatred toward women and feminists really runs (with the racism thrown in for free). If it was supposed to be satire, then as per Poe’s Law it fails because it is indisguinisable from misogynist hatred and casual racist bigotry. meant in earnest.

    As a result, it doesn’t work to subvert and mock sexism, and instead simply reinforces it by giving the appearance of being the voice of one more entitled dudebro who agrees wholeheartedly with the woman-hating dregs of humanity that can be found at such charming little back alleys of teh intertoobs as AVFM.

    Whether prejudiced or incompetent, the end result is the same.

  46. 46
    roro80

    Unless you think it’s just random that a bunch of guys at a religious ceremony threaten female activists with rape?

    Considering the number of non-religious guys and not-particularly-religious guys who threaten to rape all the damn time: yeah, I think it’s just random. I do not think that religious people or people involved in religious ceremonies have any sort of patent on disgusting rape threats. There’s a lot wrong with religion. Pretending that religion is the one and only source of misogyny and rape doesn’t help.

  47. 47
    hillaryrettig

    @46 roro80 – I don’t think religion is the only source of misogyny and animal abuse, and said that explicitly in my post.

    However, I do think religion is a major source of both. The reason veg*m is relevant to this thread is because all of the major forms of oppression in our society spring philosophically (in large part but NOT in toto) from the same dominionist/patriarchal root. Again, I don’t think it’s random that two of god’s *very first* instructions in the bible are for men to dominate animals and women.

    The randomness I was referring to in my prior post was not religious guys threatening rape; it was guys of any kind (but who in this case happen to be religious) threatening rape completely gratuitously as a response to a protest on a totally different topic. So that demonstrates a commonality between, and conflation of, mysogyny and animal abuse.

  48. 48
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    What the fuck does that last part have to do with the topic?

    Atheists also refuse to recognize the religious roots of on-topic discussions?

  49. 49
    roro80

    (a) Then your comment doesn’t make any sense.

    (b) No, veg*m is NOT relevant to this thread, and you’ve already been asked to take that to the Thunderdome.

  50. 50
    Daz: Experiencing A Slight Gravitas Shortfall

    Monitor Note:

    hillaryrettig

    Your constant attempts to try to steer the conversation on this thread toward discussion of your own pet topic constitute an attempt to derail.

    Stop it.

  51. 51
    hillaryrettig

    OK DAZ, I’m done.

  52. 52
    =8)-DX

    Also, having Feminist Frequency in the thumbnail just goes to show. I mean plenty of people in the (online Youtube) gaming community were dismissive of some of the points in her videos, but you can really see the true misogynists coming out of the woodwork when they decide putting her head on a pig in a video wanting to get rid of all feminists is a really funny joke.

    Something like: less misogynistic people who think something a feminist says is wrong, just react with: meh, not interested.

  53. 53
    vaiyt

    This video IS Poe’s Law in action. It doesn’t matter if it’s satire or not – it’s indistinguishable from the real thing. So much, in fact, that the usual gaggle of assholes is already screeching under it.

  54. 54
    stwriley

    Giliell @ 19,

    Yes, I do remember, and that’s why I called this a Poe. It’s the extreme version of what all the MRA contingent spews out. If it seems a bit too extreme, in this case I’d attributed that to its being poorly executed. But it fits the criteria just fine.

    Unfortunately, I may have been wrong, given what others are writing about the person who posted this to Youtube. I don’t read the comments there if I can help it (I like to keep my food down) so I hadn’t seen the MRAs going gaga over it. If the maker of the video really is the MRA idiot who posted it or sent it to PZ…well, I own myself had and this a disgusting piece of crap that we shouldn’t give any more hits to if we can help it. But if, as some other commenters have suggested, this was made by someone else who is slyly revealing himself at the end with the “thanks Mom” bit, then it is a Poe, just not a very good one as it’s a bit too extreme to sail by as the real thing without earning a skeptical second look from some of its viewers.

    Of course, it’s admired by the MRA idiots regardless of whether it’s a Poe or not, but we can’t judge anything by what people that stupid think of it.

  55. 55
    screechymonkey

    As self-righteous and annoying as the protagonists of Atlas Shrugged were, at least the characters who “went Galt” just did it — they slipped away mysteriously, and nobody knew why or where. They didn’t loudly insist repeatedly, “I’m going Galt! I totally am! Just you watch! You’ll regret it! No stopping me now! Don’t even try!” like a five-year-old declaring that he’s running away from home.

    Oh, and I feel compelled to be pedantic about Princess Bride references, so:

    sadunlap@38:

    To paraphrase Andre the Giant from The Princess Bride: “Uh, I don’t think that word means what you think it does.”

    That was Inigo Montoya (played by Mandy Patinkin).

  56. 56
    =8)-DX

    @vaiyt #53:
    But vaiyt, don’t intentions matter? I mean if something *is* the real thing, despite it being indistinguishable from satire, doesn’t that stop it being a POE? Isn’t it more a bad joke or hyperbole? The process of the video to me is basically creating a straw-man of the author’s own position to be able to laugh at the opposing position while laughing at oneself. That’s a rhetorical tactic that is commonly used (sigh, also within these hallowed tags), and is separate from the intended irony of a good POE.

  57. 57
    =8)-DX

    @screechymonkey
    Yes, I was puzzled at the Andre the Giant mention – I was thinking everyone’d got the demotivational poster wrong.. let’s check: ah.. and the “word” is inconceivable =)

  58. 58
    jodyp

    He says it’s satire, and then goes on several anti-feminist rants in his other videos.

    MRA’s don’t do humor very well.

  59. 59
    A. Noyd

    jodyp (#58)

    MRA’s don’t do humor very well.

    Not intentionally, anyway.

  60. 60
    jodyp

    He’s posted a response. He pretty much just gets off on being a douche.

  61. 61
    theignored

    Look at it this way: At least we are trying to fight this shit, unlike apparently some other groups I could name.

    And in consideration, here’s a video that shoots down those idiots who blame the victim:
    http://www.upworthy.com/sorry-guys-she-doesnt-actually-agree-with-you-shes-mocking-you-viciously

  62. 62
    PZ Myers

    I saw a bit of his response: “It was just a joke!”; <reads stuff in funny voices>; <makes sexist remarks>. Yeah, we’re done with that one. What a maroon.

  63. 63
    tbtabby

    Comedy rule of thumb: If you have to say it was just a joke, it wasn’t funny.

  64. 64
    seranvali

    *eyeroll* Another idiot MRA. Or maybe give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he’s a poe? Problem is that in order for him to be a poe he’d need to make it pretty clear that he’s joking and this just isn’t funny.

    Also: I love how he assumes that Japanese women would just fall in with his plan and they don’t have their own form of feminism. Just because it isn’t like American feminism doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

  65. 65
    jodyp

    His whole ‘joke’ is that he doesn’t actually think people should move to Japan.

    He still hates feminists, but for some reason that doesn’t matter because Japan.

    Ha. Get it?

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