A Citizen of Earth

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   oolon

   6 September 2012 at 3:54 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   Yeah I saw the title and thought ‘Beta Culure’? Isn’t that Google’s culture – they are too lazy to finish their apps off so they are perpetually in beta?

   Maybe a better webologism would be Culture 2.0 ;-)

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   PZ Myers

   6 September 2012 at 3:58 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   It’s also a term used by MRAs: alphas are the strong sexy males that women ought to be fucking (and secretly desire), while betas are the dutiful wimps they marry and exploit.

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   Caine, Fleur du mal

   6 September 2012 at 4:41 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   I find Hank’s concept of Beta culture very interesting and language evolves – it would be nice to take beta out of the MRA/PUA ballpark.

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   'Tis Himself

   6 September 2012 at 5:07 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   I’m quite impressed by Hank’s posts on beta culture. Start reading here.

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   Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee

   6 September 2012 at 5:59 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   And then there’s Beta Colony, for the Vorkosigan fans…

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   michaelbusch

   6 September 2012 at 6:05 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   @PZ:

   Aren’t the MRAs entirely misusing the terminology for ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’, at least as anthropologists apply them to human cultures?

   I heard Jared Diamond talking about this at one point – his argument was that the real high-status people in human society understand that successful human relationships are based on reciprocity. It’s only those Diamond referred to as betas who think that the respect of others is obtained through sheer strength. That thought process does not lead to great success, since nobody likes being bullied.

   But perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised that MRAs fail one more thing, given all of the other nonsense they spout.

   Re. the idea of Beta Culture – the computer science analogy doesn’t bother me. If we want to build a better culture, there will be a lot of debugging and slow improvement.

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   duvelthehobbit666

   6 September 2012 at 6:56 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   I know that in the Netherlands, beta refers to the sciences. This includes things like maths and engineering. Alpha is things like the humanities (history and stuff) and languages. Economy was on its own I believe in the category gamma.

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   Neil Rickert

   6 September 2012 at 8:14 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   I know, unfortunate name

   If Hank is thinking of that as Atheist Beta Culture, then he is just practicing his ABCs.

   (Couldn’t resist).

   I have been thinking of myself as a citizen of the world for some time now, so I rather like Hank’s idea.

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   StevoR

   7 September 2012 at 3:33 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   @3. Caine, Fleur du mal

   I find Hank’s concept of Beta culture very interesting and language evolves – it would be nice to take beta out of the MRA/PUA ballpark.

   Beta~wise I always think of the star that’s almost but not quite the lucida (brightest star) in a given constellation.

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    Hank Fox

    7 September 2012 at 5:25 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    As I say at a postscript to First Person Revolutionary, Part 4:

    By the way, I’m aware that “beta culture” already has a meaning in software-speak. Fine. I’m redefining it. Nobody ever said a word or phrase can have only one meaning … he said gaily.

    I’ll have many more posts on Beta Culture in weeks and months to come. I’ve been thinking about it for a few years, and I have a lot of ground to cover in more fully explaining what I think it entails.

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    MG Myers

    7 September 2012 at 6:05 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    Hank-

    I enjoy reading your stimulating Beta Culture posts and am looking forward to more!