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Jan 27 2012

Rhode Island is a big state for polls

Here we go again, yet another pointless poll in which Christians will strain to claim that putting a prayer in a public school is not an example of the state promoting religion. I’m tempted to let it go, because everyone who votes “no” in this poll is a dishonest idiot, and I could do with a good wallow in schadenfreude this morning.

Do you think a federal judge was right in ruling that the school prayer hanging on the wall of the Cranston High School West gym was unconstitutional?

43.7% Yes

55.7% No

0.6% I’m not sure

Public school posting a prayer = state endorsed religion. What is so hard for people to comprehend about that?

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  1. 1
    Glen Davidson

    Why is there never a clause asking, “Do you properly understand the Constitution, and especially the first Amendment?”

    Otherwise, who cares if you “think” it’s unconstitutional, or even constitutional?

    Glen Davidson

  2. 2
    Gvlgeologist, FCD

    It’s now >50% yes.

    I do object to the wording in the linked article, “Atheist teen forces school to remove prayer from wall after 49 years”. The atheist teen didn’t force removal. The judge ruled that the school had been breaking the law for 49 years.

  3. 3
    truthspeaker

    I think they do comprehend it. They want the government do endorse a specific religion – theirs.

  4. 4
    tmruwart

    When I “voted” the yes/no ratio was about 53:47. I checked it 2 minutes later and it had climbed to 61:39. Seems that it is going in the right direction so to speak :)

  5. 5
    Terska

    Your constitutionally protected practice of religion does not include hanging your prayers on the walls of government buildings. Hang it in your house or put it on a bumper sticker if you like.

  6. 6
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    It’s now 77% yes. But, really, everyone who voted No should have their citizenship rescinded.

  7. 7
    unclegruber

    Reading a lot of the comments posted on that site made my brain hurt.

  8. 8
    Jebus is my Dog

    The comments…….. the stupid…….. It burns!!!

  9. 9
    medievalguy

    From the article: “Cranston, a dense city of 80,000…”

  10. 10
    megs226

    Saddest comment on the article:

    “I am an atheist after being raised in a Catholic family I found that I do not believe. However I realize that this country was founded by god fearing men who wanted religious freedom for all. They carefuly wrote our constitution saying seperation of church and state. What that means is the government cannot force us to adhere to a specific church, cannot force us to have a church political party we are a totally secular governing country. It does not bother me to see signs of religious beliefs. They do not bother me because they have no meaning to me. I have come to find that just as there are fanatics in politics there are fanatics in religion and atheistism. This makes me sad. The prayer should stay on the wall as it was put there more as a building tool for building character in students. I am appalled sometimes by the actions of people, always demanding to get their way. Life is not like Burger King, no you cannot have it your way.”

    He/she needs to repeat Constitution 101.

  11. 11
    megs226

    To piggy-back off my last comment: sorry that the religious symbol has no meaning to YOU, but it’s still unconstitutional. What a me-monster.

  12. 12
    Sastra

    Public school posting a prayer = state endorsed religion. What is so hard for people to comprehend about that?

    I think there are several lines of “reasoning:”

    1.) Democracy means “majority rules.” That’s it. The country/state/public school therefore belongs to the people who get to define who and what the “people” are and what “we” want. An atheist complaining about a school prayer in a community with a Christian majority is exactly like someone coming into your home and telling you what you can and can’t do. No: my house, my rules. Democracy entails that minorities have to behave like guests.

    2.) “Religion” is man’s attempt to understand and worship God. So God — and belief in God — is not “religious.” God’s existence is a fact. It’s true. As long as a prayer allows anyone to mentally insert their own understanding of God into it, the prayer is now secular.
    Atheists, who don’t believe in God, are just nuts. They’re like people who look at the sun and pretend they can’t see it. You can’t take this sort of nonsense into account when deciding law.

    3.) If God does not exist and if Christianity is not true, then the Constitution isn’t valid. Not only do our rights come from the Christian God, but every single principle and idea in the US Constitution only makes sense if you accept the Bible. There may be some reason for the government not to get into specifics of how you ought to worship, but that you ought to worship is a duty of the patriot. In both theory and practice, there can be no separation of God and State.

    4.) Right and wrong depend on God. You simply can’t teach any sort of character development or moral values unless you invoke God to a God-believing student body. This is just obvious. Anything else turns into anarchy — and you can’t run a public school, a court, or any governing body if you take away the foundation of every value you promote.

    Whenever I see someone defending religion in government they always seem to be using some combination of the above. It is usually accompanied by the smug assumption that any or all of the above are plain ol’ common sense.

  13. 13
    autumn

    I got my “Evil Little Thing” shirt in the mail yesterday. Gonna wear it to work today and really hope that a lot of people ask what it means.

  14. 14
    greame

    I also notice that most of the rational comments from those who actually understand the situation get down voted into not appearing.

  15. 15
    otranreg

    @12

    1.) Democracy means “majority rules.”

    Yeah, tell it to the people of the polis of Athens.

  16. 16
    sqlrob

    Hey, looks like we were able to Pharyngulate an MSNBC poll.

    There’s another MSNBC poll that could use Pharyngulating! (I kid, I kid)

  17. 17
    Alverant

    The worst thing, IMHO, is how many of the same arguments were repeated. “She could have looked away” “what about the rights of those who believe” “she’s just an attention whore” “there’s no mention of seperation of church and state in the Constitution” “the first ammendment only says CONGRESS shall make no law so it doesn’t apply to schools” “she’s pushing Atheism on everyone else”. Those arguments were countered but they don’t care, they just keep repeating them enough times and hope they’ll be true.

    Someone should give that school a banner that says, “There’s no God. You’re on your own.” and demand the school put that up for 49 years and see the reaction.

  18. 18
    cag

    Among the comments are some that claim that atheism is being pushed on them by not having a prayer banner in school (absence makes the heart grow atheier!). It’s a good thing that the christians do not send missionaries to “the four corners of the earth”, for if they did, they would be hypocrites.

  19. 19
    Randomfactor

    The standard anti-Jessica retort seems to be that “in god we trust” is printed on money, and we’re hypocrites if we use currency. (I use AthiestDebitCard: Don’t go to heaven without it.)

    That’s OK, I’m sure your god gets a thrill ever time a dollar bill is stuffed down a g-string at a strip club.

  20. 20
    peterh

    Odd poll, that; the yes/no ratio changes over time but the “not sure” is stuck on .6%. “Yes” is now over 80%.

  21. 21
    tsig

    I only go to strip clubs to stick godly dollars into the girls g-string in hopes she’ll come around to Jesus.

  22. 22
    Synfandel

    The poll appears to be closed now. The final figures:

    81% Yes (the judge was right)
    18.3% No (the judge was not right)
    0.7% I’m not sure

    Well done, Pharyngulators.

  23. 23
    humanape

    Ms. Ahlquist on YouTube: Jessica Ahlquist AMA Response

  24. 24
    piscador

    Pharyngulistas can’t take all the credit for turning the poll around. It was posted on Reddit a few hours ago as well.

  25. 25
    stevegray

    24. piscador Everyone is welcome to the party :)

  26. 26
    newname

    Colbert did some good homage to polls, too.

  27. 27
    XXIst Century (now on Daylight Time) Vole

    That’s OK, I’m sure your god gets a thrill ever time a dollar bill is stuffed down a g-string at a strip club.</blockquote?

    …or inserted in a casino slot machine, or used to snort a controlled substance into a nostril…

  28. 28
    XXIst Century (now on Daylight Time) Vole

    Aaaaaaaaargh!

    blockquote fail

  29. 29
    peterh

    I’m wondering on the Pharyngulation of polls. Are the IDjits, creotards & fundagelicals so cluelessly dim in the dome that they don’t realize when it’s possible to vote multiple times? I mean, they are certifiably dumb at just about every turn, but to not realize sloppy polls can be slopped on?

  30. 30
    Tigger_the_Wing, Back home =^_^=

    I voted:

    81.4% Yes (114,749 votes)
    18% No (25,375 votes)
    0.6% I’m not sure (891 votes)

    I’m a happy Tigger! =^_^=

  31. 31
    abhishiktjain

    One more poll here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/jessica-ahlquist-prayer-banner-rhode-island-school_n_1237199.html#id=I1_1327710334097&parent=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com&rpctoken=499749657&_methods=onPlusOne%2C_ready%2C_close%2C_open%2C_resizeMe%2C_renderstart

    Quick Poll

    Do you agree with the judge’s decision?

    Yes, the presence of the prayer banner is unconstitutional.

    The prayer banner should be altered, but not taken down.

    No, the banner is a part of the school’s history.

    Undecided.

  32. 32
    Celeste

    There are few things on the internet that are as satisfying as a properly Pharyngulated poll.

  33. 33
    M can help you with that.

    newname @ 26 –

    I want to be Maurice Sendak when I grow up.

  34. 34
    Ray, rude-ass yankee

    Wow, that site has a crappy comment system. I tried to sign in and post a comment, the stupid thing would dissapear my comment or tell me I wasn’t signed in every frickin’ time.

  35. 35
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Cheers. Just voted. Latest figures :

    *****

    Do you think a federal judge was right in ruling that the school prayer hanging on the wall of the Cranston High School West gym was unconstitutional?

    How you voted
    Yes
    No
    I’m not sure

    Atheist teen forces school to remove prayer from wall after 49 years
    Results
    Total of 154,621 votes

    Yes – 82.3%
    127,247 votes

    No -17.1% 26,426 votes

    I’m not sure – 0.6% 948 votes

    *****

    The people who voted I’m not usre are silly too. There’;s only one answer here – Yes.

    Mind you, they could an ‘Of bloody course he did!” Option too!

  36. 36
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @abhishiktjain :

    Cheers, done.

    ***

    Quick Poll

    Do you agree with the judge’s decision?

    Yes, the presence of the prayer banner is unconstitutional – 29.85%

    The prayer banner should be altered, but not taken down- 17.6%

    No, the banner is a part of the school’s history – 44.75%

    Undecided – 7.79%

    ***

    We still have a way to go on this one folks.

  37. 37
    John Phillips, FCD

    I love the smell of pharyngulation in the morning.

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