I’m ready to be divisive » « Hug an Atheist No science for you! Heh. Nature has published an amusing bit of fiction. If only it were true…I have a long list of creationists from whom all their science ought to be taken. Share this:PrintEmailShare on TumblrTweet I’m ready to be divisive » « Hug an Atheist
Ms. Daisy Cutter, Vile Human Being says
If I ran the world, that’d be aimed not only at the woo suckers and creationists, but at wingnuts who lie about things like the effectiveness of condoms, and peddlers of evo-psych.
Thanks, PZ, this is brilliant. Have shared it around as widely as I can; it deserves a wide audience. (no doubt the anti-vaxx brigade will cherrypick from it where they can.)
QFT. That’s the great thing about this essay, it can apply to any group of willfully ignorant anti-science kooks.
I wish that the doctor was female as well. Because what Ms NoClue could have answered is “I was told to flaunt my ignorance to get boys to look at me”, during teenager years a powerful incentive to ignore science and concentrate on make up and sexy clothing (which the author would know, had he been raised a female).
The bit about being proud about being bad at math reminded me of XKCD number 1050.
Thats quite good, but no science anymore? That’s actually a lot more extreme than made out here.
Science started when people learned how to control fire and shape sticks and rocks as tools. It continued when we learned how to use animal skins as clothing and bedding. Then it happened as we learned to save and plant the best seeds from the plants we liked.
She isn’t just going to be denied the use of a car, she’s going to be barefoot and naked. Not just no refrigerator, but none of the food currently in it. Water from the nearest stream, untreated. Even a dry cave involves simple observation to reach a conclusion but maybe we can giver her that one. Wolves and bears can make the connection.
No access to the benefits of science is close enough to a death sentence, especially for someone not in the habit of thinking clearly. At the very least, life expectancy will be very short.
Of course it just HAD to be a male scientist and a female ignoramus. I mean, out of the four combinations of male and female, did he have to choose that one?
sayamika, the killer bunny says
This story made my day.
Perhaps because the prominent non-scientist anti-vaxxers are female?
Hm, no, I think you’re missing the point of the story. She’s not being denied things where science is involved, she’s just not allowed to decide whether or how to use them (because she refuses to make informed decisions about it). See:
OK, so why not make the physician female to avoid playing into the harmful and self-perpetuating “women don’t like/aren’t good at science and maths” stereotype?
(Gah, I can’t believe this thread is going to be derailed into that kind of thread. Just… gah.)
Nice. Totally imagined this voice when reading the part where he gets angry.
Yea, no science for you. I got into an argument once, with an English professor, who said that all scientists were narrow-minded and never looked at anything but their own field. I challenged him to a contest. We would ask each other questions about our own field, and also both answer questions from a musician in our midst.
He asked about Shakespeare, I asked about conservation of energy. His were mostly factual recall – which play was this dialog from? Mine were mostly about concepts and understanding. It didn’t take long to realize that I was reasonably versed in literature, he knew NOTHING about physics. We both knew something about music, but I edged him slightly. Then came the kicker – he claimed that English was much more interesting than physics, so the result wasn’t surprising. I reminded him this was NOT a contest of which was more interesting, but rather, who was more versed in the other’s field.
This piece is so funny and so true. The basic attitude that we have on the street is that science is only for those college PhD’s. Those very same individuals our religious leaders have taught us to despise.
Not that I want to disturb this intellectual circle jerk, but may I point out that this dude is a Robot Cultist?
Hell, he even wrote a whole novel trilogy about that Singularity crap. Seeing this guy preach about the “right” use of Science!(TM) is like Mr. Robot God Builder himself, Eliezer Yudkowsky, preaching about how to do rationality right…
Given that fact, I do think the previous commenters were right to attest misogyny here. The Robot Cultists have internalized it, after all.
Some of the most amazing science is done by people working outside of their field. Remember that Alfred Wegener was primarily a meteorologist.
Wow, I wish I could show this to one of classes. But very few would read it. I hate self- fulfilling prophecies.
I was reminded of Jeeves of Jeeves and Wooster as played by Steven Fry as the doctor
Did anyone else think the story was entirely too self absorbed to be entertaining? The ‘fatherly doctor’ and ‘hysterical, ignorant mother’ seem to be symptomatic.
I guess it depends on how you interpret the term ‘science’, which really only arose somewhat after Galileo. Exactly where is a matter for philosophical debate (Bacon? Popper? Newton? etc. etc.), but I would disagree with your interpretation that includes any and all forms of learning as scientific.
Cue: ZOMG YOU WANT US DEAD OVER A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION LIKE THE NAZIS!!!!!!!!
From the wooists.
No. Just no. We don’t. This is what we call SATIRE. There is no legitimate reason for you to claim persecution. Please grow up.
Reginald Selkirk says
A grammatical error, his entire point is invalidated.
It drives me up the wall that being stupid and ignorant is worn as such a badge of pride. I really identify with the “…you’ve proudly admitted to not being good at maths.” bit, I’ve been involved in many arguments with these people.
@scrutationaryarchivist, I looked up the XKCD strip, the annoying thing about it is that people solve things for x all the sodding time. It’s like telling your English teacher you’ve never used a verb just because you’ve never formally considered that that was what you were doing.