I have just completed an informal survey of the community by scanning through the New York Times, the Washington Times, the LA Times, High Times, Fortean Times, and World Net Daily, and have come to the realization that this blog does not conform to the wider interests of the world around us. Most people in the world do not care much at all about science, as long as their TVs work, are completely ignorant of evolution, and find atheism completely repellent. Therefore, my interests are out of sync and not worth doing.
From now on, I’ll be changing what I write about to something more reflective of the status quo. My time will be better spent writing about stuff white people find awesome, cars, cosmetics, Charlie Sheen, Justin Bieber, cats and kittens, the attractiveness of slender women in bikinis, martinis, football, and jokes about women making sandwiches.
I understand that these are the topics of prime importance. I’ll also be yelling at everyone else on FtB that they’re wasting our time and being non-representative of people’s concerns by being all disagreeable and failing to conform and stuff.
Also, at last, all those women scribbling away here can find something more productive to do: making my sammiches.
You could start your change of focus by booting the bullshit out of FtB. You (unintentionally, obviously) invited someone who’s given the slimepitters a home here. Please fix that.
wait a minute, gay people aren’t on my list.
Are you any good at making sammiches?
Guud! Itz bout time you qit aul ov thiz booring stuth and buring uz newz thad madders. Bud yer enlangish is too gudd. Whud are u, a Gramma Nasi?
I can make sammiches, but I don’t have lady parts.
Hoo boy, I’ll make you a sandwich PZ. Your very last sandwich (eyebrows in sinister position).
Srly tho. Pls to be fixing slimepit.
status quo
You elitist commies and your French.
Hey, I’ve been making the sammiches lately here at Casa La Redhead. *checks for protruding knitting needles*
Also, if I make you a sammich can I have some Minnesota Hot Dish please? Love that shit.
good point how about if i start by ignoring punctuation and capitalization
at last i am free of the tyranny of the apostrophe
How about I make you into a sammich?
Who gives a shit about most people? I just want to hear more about what straight white dudes think.
Wait, stop right there. You can’t be serious. Don’t most straight white dudes like cephalopods more than kittens?
I’m female and can make a sandwich but I’m Australian so it would have to be vegemite.
tl;dr
Then the sammiches won’t taste right.
slimepit will be fixed soon
be patient
Gay people are for decorating your house and dressing you, duh.
Unless we’re talking gay women, those are for making porn for straight men.
Thunderf00t has a point, PZ. What’s with all of this uniform “sexism is bad” hiveminding? If this is freethoughtblogs, we should have every perspective on every issue. We need more people to talk about men’s rights and to argue that sexism doesn’t exist anymore.
Similarly, FtB is way underrepresenting the segregationist viewpoint, and we have hardly any homophobes. What gives?
I’ll make you a sammich, as will the Spawns, if only you will figure out some way to evict or install sanity in bloggers who think that sexism isn’t worth talking about.
Hmmm… That’s odd. My Sarcasmatic-5000 Plus is detecting large amounts of sarcasm in this area.
Maybe it needs calibrating.
I can free you from the tyranny of the flesh by using your flesh to make sammiches.
thanking you mister peezus
We will even do a whole homeschooling unit study on the history and culture of sammich making as a means to get what one wants. Please!!!
women speaking here…i do not understand them
more sammiches plz
hot ham and swiss on rye plz
also wear bikini when serving
I don’t think that this post pays enough attention to the fact that the method of TF’s failure was an online poll. Not a media survey, like what PZ describes.
TF made his point using the results of an online poll. I think every member of the Pharyngulan horde needs to reflect on that.
hot pz on a pretzel bun
also, do you want a porcupine to go with that bikini?
#11 confuses me
what else besides straight white dudes to talk about…they are the majority yes
wearing bikinis!? no way, they gots to nekkid and making out! LOL!
i saw polls on the blaze
I note Slime Pit West now features a post saying that the views of YouTube Commenters should be given credence over those of commenters here.
Get out the historical commemorative plaque: FTB is apparently the site of the first known use of the rhetorical trop Argumentum ad herpderpum.
Or trope. whatever.
is looking directing into a blaze a bad idea
sudo make me a sandwich
(Someone had to say it…)
<snicker>
Okay, honey. C’mon over here, I have a surprise for you. Oooh, yes, kitchen table, it’s okay, put on this blindfold and I have these awesome fuzzy cuffs, it’s alright, it will be FUN. Okay, I’ll be right back…
*sharpens knives*
I’m so glad I’m not most people. And even gladder that most people here aren’t most people. What a horrible, fucked-over world it’ll be when most people ARE most people.
Justin who? (*See!*)
And you forgot to add, “as long as whenever anything more complicated than a fingernail breaks, they can call someone over to fix it.”. As someone who can fix pretty much anything from a steam engine to a geiger counter to a vacuum cleaner to a shortwave scanner, I really don’t understand that mentality. Speaking as one whose sammich maker works in retail horticulture, neither can my angel without wings – no one wants to do the small, unimportant, dirty jobs, like cleaning the toilets (or better yet, not pissing all over the toilets in the first place), picking up litter, helping older people to their cars with heavy items, smiling, etc, etc.
But as long as us weirdos are here, please keep bringing us the weird stuff, mate.
@sanshajohnson : MMMmmmm, vegemite sammiches… with Coon cheese! (Now THAT’s cultural exchange!)
Chris Clarke:
FFS. This shit needs to be booted, directly and hard.
Did you purposely forget discussing poorly-written alternative erotica?
It goes great with poorly-made sammich’s.
@Forbidden Snowflake
Are you saying using your fanbase in a popularity poll to disprove another forum of people’s opinions isn’t a valid argumentative form?
This is news to me.
I am almost convinced. If only this post included a bogus youtube poll, that would put me over the edge.
TF, you are a fucking joke.
“Most people in the world do not care much at all about science…”
It would be nice if a focus on science rather than sexism were more popular here, but oh well.
ov course YooToobe stars shod be litzened too Lol. i can’t thigur owt thoz camera thingz. ROTFLMAO.
can get a beer with my sammich
Is it ‘Freethoughtblogs’ or ‘Group-think-blogs’?
-=Genuine question=-
I do have to say I’m not entirely on board with ramping up coverage of Justin Bieber. I mean, one does not simply walk into more doors.
To echo #35, seriously, PZ, I cannot tell you just how glad I am for your commentariat. You’re fine, but hey, you’re just a blogger who once said something mean about homeschooling and attracted my attention. The commentariat has become, in some ways, my extended family.
(Perhaps us fiber arts people should craft you a whole bunch of sammiches…)
Is it sad that Bieber was the only part of this that made me actually cringe?
Why, PZ? WHY?!?!!
*runs screaming*
I will.
***
trop is more fake-Russian/better.
Dang it, PZ. Does this mean I now have to spell out entire sentences using alphabet sandwiches? That’s a heck of a lot of sammich, you know.
You know what this means, don’t you? Lobbying for government stipends for groceries – bread, butter and smallgoods companies making inordinately gigantic profits… It’s frogstar world B all over again, but this time it’s the SAMMICH event horizon.
SEXISM IS KILLING THE PLANET WITH SANDWICH-BASED ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
… Excuse me, my brain just exploded. Also, I want a sandwich.
annabucci:
Oh yeah, oh well. Who really gives a fuck about the bitches, right? It’s not like they have it that bad.
Idiot.
i have no sammich
this is the most important issue in the universe right now
WHAT ABOUT MY NEEDS
OK, that’s the last straw for me. if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go loose my mind over at Thunderfap’s.
PZ: You’re about to have the wrath of the LOLstar called down upon you. WHY RYE BREAD!!! It haz teh caraway seeds, theyz are teh nastyz!!
I will make your knitted sammich out of hand spun cat fur contributed by reedhl.
If you were more upset over Bieber than you were of Sheen then you need to be fired out of a very large canon into a very close wall
Here’s a twofer: kitteh AND sammich.
Bad
I’ve been an awful woman all my life
A dreadful daughter and a hopeless wife
And I’ve had my eyes on that carving knife
Oh you’ve been lucky so far
Listen for the sounds of sharpening knives.
*evil grin*
while youre channelling ee cumming pz
can we haz sum pointless polls plz i hear theyre really popular
im digging this no capitals no punctuation shit why didnt i try writing like this before lol
anyone for cheese on toast
i dont tend to make sammiches
Is it ‘Freethoughtblogs’ or ‘Group-think-blogs’?
I am Akutus of FTB.
You will be emasculated. Your sexual identity will be erased as will your desire to engage in filthy, male-chauvinist intercourse as part of the process of making all of you androgynous drones to our Gender Feminist mistresses.
Resistance is patriarchy.
I said that I will make you into a sammich
and you keep ignoring me
(Holds head in pain…)
Yeah, would that ever be an improvement.
Oh fuck off and suck your own taint.
*gives Peezus a sammich*
I hope this suits. I tried not contaminating it with my lesbianness.
I also put on a bikini. I really think it shows off the fact that I haven’t owned or used a razor in 6 years, don’t you think?
*shakes ass*
Finally, someone who’s going to talk about the things that affect ME. PZ, you’re going to tell the Gynocracy to quit trying to castrate me by not allowing me to chew on their body parts, right?
Akira @57: That is hilarious!
Janine – Real Men only understand sammich-based communication from us fluffy pink ladytypes. Try writing on a sammich with a sharpie. Might not work – might have to make hundreds of sammiches and use them like pixels to spell out simple sentences.
That would hurt less than spotting one of Bieber’s sexist rants and then listening to teenage girls giggling on about how cute the little shitbag is.
You may not have a sammich, but are you drunk yet? If I’d had your week, I think that would look pretty damn appealing…
Josh @ 60
It shouldn’t be too hard for him. His head is already up his ass.
woman finds second purpose for existence
brink me a drink
and a sammich
Sophia, why would I try to communicate with PZ via sammiches when I am offering to make him into sammiches. He would have a hard time reading my messages.
1. Don’t mis-gender people by failing to read their names (“annabucci.”)
2. Don’t default to “male” out of laziness, and don’t assume women can’t be full-on status quo supporters.
The more you know. . .
I just made a sammich. It was toasted, wholegrain bread with hungarian salami and Bega cheese (Coon droolz, Bega roolz).
(PS to non-Australians: Yes, we really do have a brand of cheese called Coon. It’s the name of a cheesemaker, who was actually American, not Australian. It’s a variant on Coen, Cohen, Kohen etc.)
TF took an online poll. Wow. If that don’t beat all…
stop making noise wimminz
SAMMICHES!
Don’t forget third purpose:
Sammich sounding real good right now anyway.
Caine: It was a murder, but not a crime?
and still pz ignores my offer to make him into a sammich
it is almost as if he is ignoring me
what if i adopted a masculine moniker
Janine:
Grins right back. Evilly.
Akira:
Might want to watch those gender assumptions. The person in question is using a feminine nym. Might not matter, but still…
Can I be your Snookie Watch Consultant?
Yeah! Let’s focus on being recognizable, who the fuck cares about interesting?
typing hard
just so you know
one grunt means sammach
two grunts mean drink
“wimmin noizes”
You must mean cooing and squeeing and “Oprah had this one guy on. . ” And also ululations over dish soap, the hand-softening kind?
*rolls keg of Peezus’ Favorite Drink™ over*
See? It’s got squids painted on the side of the keg!
ugh
ugh ugh
Janine – sammich-based Real Man(tm) homonculi?
I could totally get in on that.
three grunt mean reach-around successful?
Turning this discussion into a sarcastic pissing contest isn’t going to keep women from being harassed.
If it *is* a serious issue in the skeptic community, then people on both sides need to step up and act like adults.
Finally, Thunderf00t may be mistaken, but his ideas aren’t malicious, evil, or dangerous. Suggesting he be booted for dissenting from the majority opinion puts one’s intellectual honesty into question.
I gave teh peezus a sammich!
y he still complainin?
*brings PZ 3 sandwiches*
Stop it! I’m now hearing a house remix of your Man-Gruntz in my head. Syncopated.
Good point, Josh. I forgot that we are fighting the chill-girls as much as the dudebros. Allow me to reiterate:
It shouldn’t be too hard for them. Their head is already up their ass.
I guess Thudnerfuss made another post? Sad, sad waste of electrons.
FossilFishy:
Murder? Crime? Moi? I’m just lookin’ to make a sammich, my dear. *Innocent Eyes*
Because you soooooooooooooooooooooo care about that, civility troll. Go inhale asbestos.
This is serious. PZ is regressing.
Damn, it has been years since I last saw Altered States.
sorry no sammiches here pz only cheese on toast
havent you already had enough to drink to explain why it looks like youre drunk posting
happy to change into bikini to serve whatever poison you want
Ooooh, charlescollum has revealed the truth. We need to stop joking around because harassment is almost as serious as sammiches. And both sides are bad.
Wow.
Try ‘The Legend of J. Neen Burgundy’.
Didn’t you read the OP? This blog has now changed focus. No more talking about sexism or science or atheism. If you want to talk about real issues like Bieber and sammiches, please do continue.
Equating apologies for misogynistic bigotry with rebellious and brave “dissent” from “majority opinion” calls one’s moral center into question.
Finally, Thunderf00t may be mistaken, but his ideas aren’t malicious, evil, or dangerous.
Yeah, completely totally harmless. Not dangerous at all.
Well, at least to him and people named “Charles,” I guess.
hm. if we’re supposed to be dispensing babby, sammich and drinkz, might as well go for efficiency and just dispence bread-and-babby milkshakes. Insert phallus and press clitoris to dispense.
Josh, is the moral center part of a sammich? If not, what’s the use?
ZOMG PPL R DOIN IT RONG
Thanks for emphasizing that you doubt this. Have you missed the past few years of people having serious discussions on the subject?
charlescollom @85,
Maybe *his* ideas aren’t, but some of the commenters he’s attracted most definitely are.
Janine @ 93
This is serious. PZ is regressing.
I need a Monolith in here, STAT!
For my response cross search Segan and Bozo the Clown
Cross post
“Yes yes freespeech is all well and good, but to honestly expect people to follow your freespeech wank for getting booted when you spent the last dozen posts talking about how everyone of your cohabitant’s shit stinks but your own seems…well actually it seems like exactly what will happen and that people will lap it up because they’re idiots.
Hell, I’ve seen in the last week people defend a 30 year old man who gets suspended for making rape jokes to coworkers, then fired for throwing a temper tantrum and screaming at fans over it…and people still defending him as the persecuted poor victim of politics.”
Here, have this, PZ. *hands drink* I didn’t piss in it too much.
*wheels in a bed ridden groggy Succubus*
What?
Oh wait this is a Mono Lilith….my bad
Pretending that anyone is suggesting Thunderf00t be booted for dissenting from the majority opinion is what puts one’s intellectual honesty into question.
charlescollom,
Your concern is noted.
Oddly, “Beiber Sandwich” was my nickname in college. I can’t say why for another 3 years, stupid statutes…
But see, note that we can’t criticize Charles. Since he’s a gay guy he can’t be an apologist for misogyny.
Josh, Official SpokesGay,
Three grunt mean bring slippers and pipe.
Ugh Ugh Ugh.
Will you warn a person before you lob a joke like that? It could rip someone’s head off.
charlescollom:
You don’t say! My gods, you had better alert the press, this will be red lettered!
If it’s a serious issue? Really? It is a serious issue, Cupcake. We should know, we’ve been fighting the good fight for a few years now, dealing with this specific issue.
Oh, is that so? His blatant sexism isn’t harmful? His support of some of the worst offenders on the sexist front isn’t harmful? Let me guess…you’re sporting a penis, so of course you can’t possibly imagine what harm there could be in an idiot indulging in toxic sexism, going full court bitches ain’t shit and giggling over it.
Here’s a thought, Cupcake – you go visit TF and all the slimepit crew and let them know they aren’t acting very grown up and yes, it’s true, women are people, so could they stop with the misogyny and the threats and all the rest of it? Thanks.
What’s the code for “bring Ardbegh?”
*looks around*
I think you’re in the wrong thread. Find another one or start making sammich and kitteh jokes.
:Walks in:
:Reads OP and a few comments:
:Thinks he’s accidentally gone to Yahooooo!:
:Walks out:
:Looks at the address:
:Looks at the invitation envelope:
:Looks again at address:
:Re-examines invitation envelope:
:Says ‘WTF?!?’ and heads over to Coyne’s place:
Goodness gracious, Josh, you’re right. It’s gays like DJ Grothe who fight tooth and nail against misogyny.
Has PZ become JR “Bob” Dobbs?
I firmly dispute the last two and am undecided on the first one.
Rite? So why they get all this hate? Everyone knows the ghey menz are totes 100 purcent the bestest allies of wimmin evah. They have NO blind spots at all. Especially the white ones.
*tosses moldy bread after McC2lhu*
Josh:
Uh huh. Imma start calling them Chill Gays™.
Christ, I need a drink.
Damnnit, i can haz vagina sammiches anyoltime…
Where me gonna getda scienze drools now dat PZ dun drank da myoonshinez?
num numnum slurpz
(rolls out plans for complex spanking machine involving quantum entangled paddles and neighbors cat who happens to be named Schrodinger…..clears line for call from Nobel committee…)
I just downloaded 2 books on making crocheted food. Bwahahaha – sammiches forthcoming. Not edible, but durable.
Bye. So long. Ta ta. Auf Wiedersehen. Hasta la vista. Au revoir. Good riddance.
Chill Gayz. . .LOL. It would be more amusing if it weren’t so fucking I WANT YOU DEAD NOW infuriating.
Esteleth, please forgive me but I just had to do this.
Chris Clarke
Maybe even make that trompe. (From the communist-French verb tromper.)
There are only so many fallacies one can read before one begins to suspect this issue isn’t really about harassment.
And, you’ll note, (well you probably won’t but you should) that I emphasized the “*is*” in my original comment, not the “if.”
Finally, it is telling how soon an *idea* you disagree with becomes “dangerous” or “evil.”
Auf Wiedersehen
And for you we sing this final song
For you there is no hope
Oh hell, that was a thing of beauty and a joy to behold. [wipes eyes]
There are only so many “ones” one can read before one concludes that one’s interlocutor is a stuffy, self-regarding ass.
Girl please-give it up.
One suspects it is two.
If it *is* a serious issue in the skeptic community…
Oh well, we have to give the Elevator Stalkers and the upshot videographers the benefits of the doubt, right? I mean, those women; the estrogen and their menstrual cycles mess with their brains and make them all uppity! They could be seeing things.
…then people on both sides need to step up and act like adults.
Right, because nothing says “adult” like false equivalency.
Fuck off.
Because justifying sexual harassment is good ol’ harmless fun! Teach the controversy, amirite?
Fuck off.
You are right, charlescollom, there is nothing wrong with suggesting that some women have been exaggerating about harassment at secular conferences. Say, what else have some women have been getting hysterical about. It is not like it is a millennium old trope.
Mattir, is there a hot dog bun afghan by any chance?
One suspects it is you.
Jesus Christ. Try to be less of an asshole. Try reading up on this topic and understanding why people are saying what they’re saying before you tromp in pronouncing (stupid) entitled judgment.
Josh, damn you! Now I’m jonesing for a tater tot and green bean hot dish. *sigh*
Are you really trying to argue that fighting against the mere existence of anti-harassment policies is “safe” and “good/neutral”?
Enough about sexism!
I wanna figure out a more important issue. Mainly, what would happen if PZ were to eat a squid or octopus sandwich?
It’s a pressing issue of our time, and the Bible says nothing about it.
Guurrrrl, don’t I know it. Me too. I don’t care how trashy it is. That shit is GOOD.
I noted it, you dimwitted douchetart. You obviously don’t have the slightest intent of even considering what things are like for women or the monstrous elephant in the room, which happens to be sexism in the atheist/skeptic community.
I don’t need to hear multiple instances of “If I were a girl, I’d kick you in the cunt” or “oh, so you were raped, get the fuck over it already” or “you need to get raped again, bitch!” from people in the atheist/skeptic community to know what’s going on.
You, on the other hand, need to stop penis gazing and think you know what the fuck you’re talking about. The thoughts of Chill Gays are as useful as those of Chill Girls.
Why don’t you run off and cry on TF’s shoulder about how mean and unreasonable we are? Oh, and make me a sammich on your way out.
Dammit, I keep expecting to see subbie with Goss and I keep expecting subbie to be silent but rather menacing.
if i ask my Mistress real nice, She’ll make me one. wanna come over for dinner?
Subbie: shit yeah! When’s it on? :)))
Is anyone going to say anything about my sniny new moniker?
Allow one to put this into the sarcasm that you understand:
No, I would never suggest this is an emotional issue where people allow their feelings to get in the way of identifying and fixing the problem. There is no evidence at all for that hypothesis.
I just made the awesomest sammich. It was turkey and swiss with pepperoni and hot sauce, grilled enough to melt the cheese, and some crunchy wilty lettuce… mmm, it was soooo good.
I ate it all though, so no sammich for you. All sammich for me.
Janine, sorry, null content there. must be a pop culture referent i’m not familiar with. (not that that’s difficult.)
Facts 42:108 “And lo, there will be much ink upon the Tentacled Overlord’s chin, and a single tear upon his cheek”
Fake Wife of #1 Quality—I love the new ‘nym. Of course I immediately set about reading it , transposing it as .
No, it’s one, douchebiscuit. You’re downright loathsome. Be happy wallowing in your ignorance, I’ve had enough of your shit.
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SamStrange, you still do not have the gender thing right. you are not supposed to make your own sammich.
This is supposed to be sarcasm? Because it looks like the straight up truth to me. The problem has been identified and a solution has been found. It is being implemented in multiple venues as we speak. There’s a small regressive authoritarian backlash, but nothing we can’t handle.
Do try to keep up.
Janine:
I adore it.
When you’re done with DJ how ’bout you skeptically and circumpectly suck your own cock? You’re obviously dying to. I mean, whose dick could ever measure up to your own pure and objective cock-meat?
Your ignorance is noted and so is your need to argue from that position. If only there were some way to describe why that’s wrong…..
Don’t worry, charlescollom. I have identified the problem and have found a solution. See this nice, civil porcupine I have here? *dangles in air* If you would just shove it up your ass and fuck off, I think that would go a long way toward fixing the problem. Thanks, bye.
Oh. Should I give it to you then? But I’m really hungry.
Janine, I only just now got what it was you were apologizing to me about!
Neat!
*gets matching hats for herself and Janine*
Subbie, Goss and Subby are a couple of characters from China Miéville’s novel, Kraken. Nothing good happens when they show up.
Not meant as a reflection on you. Just making goofy jokes.
The crocheted food book has PB&Js, ham & swiss, tacos, falafel pockets, side salads, french toast, pizza, and ice cream sammiches. Plus a bunch of other stuff. No beer, though.
Yes, because the REAL solution is to insist that there is no problem except that people are talking about harassment. We should all view anti-harassment policies as fun killing monsters to be beaten with a stick until dead. Furthermore, women who complain about being harassed should be dismissed because no women ever tell us they are harassed.
I think idiots who refer to themselves as one should be automatically quarantined to TZT for being so incredibly tiresome and causing near fatal eyerolls.
Do you need to be one of those strate doodz to get some scantily clad sammich makers? I’m getting hungry and the kitchen’s kinda far away.
My time will be better spent writing about stuff white people find awesome, cars, cosmetics, Charlie Sheen, Justin Bieber, cats and kittens, the attractiveness of slender women in bikinis, martinis, football, and jokes about women making sandwiches
Well good. You can finally start building up some readership.
Ick.
You are still doing it wrong.
I am beginning to doubt that you will ever become a real boy.
(Did I just break out into Pinocchio?)
Why do I suspect we’re being played by someone who’s been whinging all over TF about how meanz the horrid commenters on FtB are and how we need an anti-bullying policy?
Also, charlescollum, there is a large basket of handcrafted porcupines on your left as you head out the door. Feel free to help yourself.
Mattir, I am sorry that you got the Justicar treatment earlier.
It’s about time you figured this out. You will also probably take in the movie Prometheus to open your mind to amazing ideas. I’ll bet you didn’t know that Darwinism is obsolete.
Thank you for finally seeing the Truth and the Light.
Indeed. Apparently being asked to put aside their male privilege for even a moment is the most emotional and traumatic thing one can expect of certain menz.
Oh, that’s not who you meant? What bizarro-world version of these discussions are you reading?
Janine, i didn’t take it to be any kind of jab at me. i just didn’t unnerstand. and goofy is me all over.
As we say in the greeting-cards industry, these are a gift “from moo to you.” Celebrate the moment of your life with General Ungulates International Dildos.
Erista:
Oh, that’s not it – it’s just that there aren’t ever witnesses, or if there are, they aren’t the right kind of witnesses. So you just can’t believe wimmin. Ever. Blackford says so.
Person at comment 173, you might want to rethink your moniker.
Then I fully expect you to all talk about this and nothing else, in dry language, using only a small subset of approved tools of language and human intercourse until I complain that you don’t talk about anything but sexism and ask where the atheism or science or subject matter of my choice is, and why it isn’t in every post I happen to read.
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I thought this thing was banned a day or two ago?
Mez 2 Janine… wish I had one as sniny as youse.
All the meanz peeps around here, only funz things was the Mono Lilith…. that thar was hissterical and hisstorical and made my vibinrator drop right out…
More sammiches! Less creepz!
But it is an emotional issue. Mainly the issue of female security over her body, mind, sexual freedoms, and her right not to be harassed, pressured, or raped.
If you’re unable to see why people aren’t emotional when their liberty, life, and/or their ability to pursue happiness is on the line, then you don’t understand the values that have made America.
This is coming from a Canadian.
charlescollom: A little friendly advice.
@Janine – I think I am going to cross stitch the “you’re a bad bad mother” rant from one of Justicar’s buds and hang it on my wall. And then if I take the Spawns anywhere where such fools congregate, I’m gonna make sure my knitting needles are sharp and perhaps even bring along some sashiko (seriously sharp, sturdy 4 inch sewing needles).
I haz kitteh. Can I trade kitteh for sammich? Or does my wimminlyness make me ineligible for sammich receiving privileges?
enuff ov thiz tawking! me tyred! me guing tu bed tu FUCK wimmin hoo buring me sammich!
Nite!
(Ugh ugh)
It has been fun playing but I still have little time for this right now.
I am pleased that people like my new, well borrowed and altered, moniker.
Josh, Official SpokesGay 176
I had always wondered what GUID stood for.
Oh, but it’s not just the wimmin! It’s also the feminazi’s so called “allies,” beings who are disguised as men but are really pussy whipped boys.
Because, you see, anyone who agrees with wimmin is bad, too. Only Real Men can be trusted. You know, the kind of men who conflate consensual and non-consensual actions and who don’t want to determine if a woman is okay with being touched before they dive right in. Plus, tits or GTFO.
You need a drink?
No, no, no! Don’t you SEE? If a woman is upset about being raped/sexually harassed/etc, then that just means she’s too emotional to be listened to! And if she ISN’T upset about being raped/sexually harassed/etc, then there’s no problem!
Yes yes?
This is the ideal for treating teh winninz.
We want our cowboys back!
Found a crocheted beer mug, which doubles as a holder for a spare roll of TP. Strangely appropriate, somehow.
Ugh! Ugh! Caol Ila!
I believe the treatment for hysteria was genital stimulation. Just get her more sex and she’ll be fine. Trust me. I think of myself as a doctor!
Careful, StarStuff. Some denizens might take that to mean that we all sling about “cunt” like it was confetti.
Oh, wait, they already think that we are unthinking bullies.
Carry on.
Bakaaw!
Mattir:
Interesting. There’s no way to get around the swearing police. When you don’t have spawn, they say you can’t possibly understand anything. If you do, you’re a Bad Bad BAD Parent for letting your kids be exposed to this.
Catch-22.
Thunk, wait until Mattir feeds chocolate covered cotton to the spawns.
“Oh yeah, oh well. Who really gives a fuck about the bitches, right? It’s not like they have it that bad.
Idiot.”
I don’t get how this addresses anything in my comment.
You’re so vain, I bet you think this thread is about you.
Janine and Esteleth are twinsies! Are you both wearing bikinis and carrying beer? Because that’s totally hawt!
annabucci, lots of people have taken time to deal with your comment. In fact, this whole freaking post deals with your comment.
Sandwiches? Never heard of such things. But I could make you a burrito, senor, if you were kind enough to hide me from the immigration police. While you are eating, I could dance around my sombrero singing La Cucaracha. But only after the siesta, of course.
Janine:
How dare she? Doesn’t Mattir know that it’s $UNHEALTHY? Anything with that damns the spawn to a lifetime of $OBESITY! Oh Noes!!!
I came into this thinking the pro Harassment Policy side had the better end of the argument, and since name calling hasn’t had a profound impact on me since middle childhood, my opinion hasn’t changed. There is something to be learned from people who dissent from the pro HP position, however, even if it is to craft a more effective policy. (Example: if Thunderf00t has a blind spot to some action that constitutes harassment, it may be shared by others.) His post concerning group-think is being vindicated magnificently by the commenters here.
You may now go back to thinking that if someone disagrees with you in one thing, then he disagrees with you in all things.
Sorry, thunk, chocolate covered cotton was also from Catch 22.
I hope you hand picked the ads for this page – just got me a yearly subscription for “skinny” pills and raspberry fat burning pills so can be beautiful.
Janine
I noticed your handle (early today? yesterday?) and it is awesome, as all your nym extensions are. Esteleth*-inspired or not.
I vote you have more time for whatever it is you need to do. I think it comes through the USB port like beer and foodstuffs do.
*Whose nym is also teh awesome. Well, to be fair, I’m rather partial to the nymming in this community, among other things.
You know, given the density of your first post, that’s not surprising at all. It addressed your post just fine, Cupcake. Now, seeing as sexism just isn’t all that interesting to you, why don’t you go find some other topic to chew on, okay? I’m not in the mood for your brand of stupid tonight.
206: Damn; i need to read that.
…Thunderf00t has actually been pressing the attack on the sexism front? Ugh.
What’s it with good video makers and being complete sexist asswipes? First Spoony’s simultaneous whinging about Scarlet for over a year while making rape jokes on Twitter, then Thunderf00t defending DJ. What next, AVGN ordering his wife to make him a sammich in a video?
I see the doucheholes are crawling out from under their rocks.
Ugh.
Ugh Ugh. Ugh Ugh Ugh Ugh.
Well, those things are unfortunately the focus of the vast majority of people…or at least that is what the media wants us to think.
It’s been my experience that science isn’t even on most people’s radar screens…it is somehow magic that we can pick up a hand-held device and speak to anyone on the planet; that we can search the web and find virtually anything or piece of information we imagine; that pill just magically makes our headache go away or makes us feel happy or subdued; and that planes just somehow get from point A to B safely in the vast majority of the cases.
It is up to us geeks to keep everything going…scientific illiteracy and anti-science are epidemic…keep fighting the good fight!
Elly:
Sorry about that; the ads are not determined by the people here. Google et al. determines the content (based on online activity and what’s displayed here). Usually, it’s insane pro-religion stuff, but I’m sorry it’s fat-shaming crap.
charlescollom: TF doesn’t “have a blind spot to some action that constitutes harassment.” He actively dismisses the concerns of women who have been harassed, and declaims from his Throne of Manhood that “it isn’t a problem.”
Can you not see how incredibly offensive that attitude is, how bigotted, how dismissive of 1/2 of the population of the world?
It looks like you can’t. And that is what is disqualifying you from being taken seriously on this thread (among other things).
charlescollom @ #149
“You hysterical womenz with your emotions and your vulvas and your…underpants contortionism!”
Also: ding, doucheacabra.
Caine: Don’t you know that the grunt code is only for ?
Is it group think, or a lot of people who happen to think something similar and talk about it?
Le sigh. A google created algorithm selects ads that appear on your page according to what words are found on the page and your browser history.
Do you think that PZ would choose to have ads for fundy colleges and essays that prove that jesus existed?
The ads that I’m getting for this particular page have consistently been for “Amazing Psychic Advice” and Norton Anti-Virus.
There are no women here, are there? Just look at my fine beard.
*grunt*
Caine – Three drinks? Aren’t you a ladytype?
Does this mean I can have someone make -me- a sammich?
Wait… I’m thinking for myself again. Time to go clean the house and acquiesce to my husband’s insistence that breast groping is simply a normal part of showing affection and not, obviously, a violation of my personal boundaries.
Sexism is totes not a problem, no way. Doesn’t happen to us normal, humdrum, boring people at all.
truebutnotuseful:
Now, now, I might be hysterical with my emotionz and vulva, however, I find being commando deals nicely with that whole underpants contortionism problem. *nod nod*
Don’t you know that that would make teh gloriouz Thunderf00t TEH WRONGZ!!!!!
“His post concerning group-think is being vindicated magnificently by the commenters here. ”
Exactly.
Sophia:
Everyone knows there are no women on Pharyngula, except for Nerd of Redhead.
Caine, what of Patricia’s brass brassiere and flouncing skirts?
These trolls sure are funny.
Thanks; I needed that.
Now will one of those family guys bring me a sammich? Please?
Oh, I mean
GRUNT
pardon my charming accent.
Janine:
The breasts are brass and the skirt…well, that’s a kilt.
Caine – Of course, what was I thinking. Sorry, the cat pissed on my Man Brand Testosto-Beard and I had to put it in to the cleaners. That feminism stuff is so insidious; one little accident and you start growing those horrible vagina things. Eesh.
It’s kind of hilarious to watch a bunch of people sitting around nodding at each other and agreeing that yes, THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE are engaging in group thing.
I’ll leave it to you to see if you can figure out why that’s funny.
If it’s kilt, you might as well make a sammich out of it.
Janine:
And strikingly stupid. It’s amazing how much we get the crap. It’s not like there isn’t a whole lot of happy agreement going on amongst the slimepitter’s at Thunderfoot’s. Oh no, that’s different or something.
Oh no. The Lone Wolf Dissenters against the Hivemind are actively agreeing with another about how much groupthink we are all suffering from. Do you know what that means? They’re groupthinking! It’s groupthink vs. groupthink now! We are through the looking glass people. The consequences will never be the same.
Mattir, your foodstuffs made of tangled threads may be cool, but I have a Dalek made of tangled thread a friend made for me.
So there.
You must be new to both marketing/advertising and the internet. But The FTB PTB always take complaints about the ads in rotation on the adservers seriously.
This is entirely your problem. Unless it’s due to the effects the same sort of manprivilege that also loves sexism.
If one side touches the other, will existence explode?
Or will it be more like that cheesetastic Star Trek episode where the two half black-half white guys wrestle for eternity.
Janine:
*Geek Alert! Geek Alert!*
Wrong ep. The one you’re thinking of is The Alternative Factor, there were two Lazaruses, a good one and an evil one. They had to wrestle for eternity to keep the universe safe.
Deeeep Riiiifts
So we all totally agree harrassment is bad and shouldn’t happen, but it totally doesn’t so we should all shut up about it.
All those reports – LIES! Just another dastardly feminazi effort to discredit the poor menz and hurt their Massively Important Feelings.
Why are you guys so hostile?
annabucci:
You’re not that clever. People can figure out that your one-sentence, intentionally vague responses are designed to provoke. No one thinks you’re a good-faith conversational partner. So take your passive aggressive tee-hee-hee coy game somewhere else, k dumb ass?
Speaking of thingstuffs crafted from tangled threads, I would sell one of my superfluous organs for this Bender Toque.
Because we’ve just spend the last year (or more) watching women be dismissed, threatened with rape, threatened with death, minimized, called names, gas lighted, accused of lying about something even if there are multiple independent witnesses, intentionally triggered with comments meant to dredge up past trauma (like rape) and more.
We’re tired of it. Really, really tired of it. And yet here comes yet another person who just can’t understand why we’re making such a big deal of this, why we’re so upset! Can’t we just let men touch us without making sure we’re okay with it? Can’t we just believe that threats that come through the internet are never true? Can’t we just let people rewrite history about harassment we have been subject to? Can’t we just Shut The Fuck Up?
Oh look! The wimmin dare to speak up for themselves, and some men are supporting them!
http://whoneedsfeminism.tumblr.com/
silly bitches!
anteprepro:
I certainly hope they are being properly neutral and posting over at TF’s.
Don’t bother responding to annabucci. She’s a deliberate and conscious troll. You’ll write three paragraphs of reasonable prose and she’ll “just ask” a one-sentence question to piss you off. Don’t indulge her. She’s bullshit.
Yes, and? That happens every fucking day here, “annenimby”. So you think, what? That just because some men supported the silly bitches on an instance of tumblr all is right with the world?
How about you turn into “annenapa”?*
*”anne not at pharyngula anymore”
“Because we’ve just spend the last year (or more) watching women be dismissed, threatened with rape, threatened with death, minimized, called names, gas lighted, accused of lying about something even if there are multiple independent witnesses, intentionally triggered with comments meant to dredge up past trauma (like rape) and more.”
That’s understandable.
Josh, I already killfiled xer Density. Too fucking tiresome for words.
Yep.
I don’t understand the point of linking to http://whoneedsfeminism.tumblr.com/
No one here is arguing we don’t need feminism.
Have I missed some clue as to what this is supposed to mean?
Hmm, probability of Poe on this thread may require breaking out more /sarcasm tags.
And I am so not wearing a bikini. It’s the middle of winter!
Sorry Caine. I am one of those weird science fiction fans who hates both Star Wars and Star Trek. Thirty years ago, I just wanted Spock to do mind meld on Tom Baker’s Doctor and let Spock’s brain overload on the illogic.
I think you can understand why I do not bring that issue up too often.
Janine:
That would be kinda fun.
Ariaflame, you girly wuss! If you were a Real Man and you’d just Grow A Pair, then you’d be able to wear a bikini in any weather!!
Umm, I think. Something seems slightly wrong about that, but I can’t quite put my finger on the flaw.
I’d settle for watching Matt Smith and Zacharch Quinto make out.
now I want a sandwich *sigh*
And yet again, slash fiction consumes all.
That said, I would like to see Leela kick Kirk’s ass.
No, not Futurama’s Leela. But she can kick Zap Brannigan’s ass. Close enough.
Apparently, my snark was misunderstood. I should have used /sarcasm tags. I thought the whoneedsfeminism blog was an interesting counterpoint to Thunderf00t’s claims and youtube poll results. Misogyny is far more common than Thunderf00t perceives, as evidenced by the blog I linked. (I admit there’s selection bias at whoneedsfeminism.)
My atheism is a result of my feminism, because of the misogyny inherent in religion. If atheist men want to achieve their stated goal of having more women actively participating in atheist events, then they need to address the misogyny. Feminism and atheism are linked in my mind, and I think that I’m not the only woman who has that view.
Janine:
Futurama’s Leela did kick Kirk’s ass. She ended up making out with him though. Where No Fan Has Gone Before.
I know. But this is a different Leela.
Odd. That.
Huh. Annenimby, Annabucci: these are NOT the same people. I think some sarcasm detectors may have misfired.
annenimby
I was going to say I thought the tumbler was pretty cool, but I had to check to see if you had a history of bs comments after some other comments I read, but found nothing to that effect. I thought maybe I was missing something in your words, but Imma fall back to my original impression.
So, thanks for the http://whoneedsfeminism.tumblr.com/ . What a great and illustrative variety of statements.
Oooh, I see!
Oh my, I just read Thunderf00L’s blog to find out where PZ’s sarcasm is coming from. It is worse than slime. It’s like a quicksand goo of thoughtless babble threatening to swallow me whole.
A poll of my house residents shows that not enough attention is paid to how much petting kitties need.
Hiya, Annenimby, sorry you happened just by unlucky coincidence to comment right when folks were getting trolled by the not-your-namesake Annabucci.
The solution: comment MORE.
Folks will recognize you better that way.
Thanks for the link to Who Needs Feminism.
Finally you’ve come to your senses, PZ. You’ renounced the groupthink and hivemind by writing about the same topics other blogs do. But I won’t read your blog today unless you’re going to write about the breakup of Tom and Katie.
BTW, haven’t heard the Beebs new release yet but I heard some girls talking about it and they didn’t like it very much so he’ll probably will only sell a zillion copies instead of his usual two zillion.
My two kittehs sez “hai.”
As a straight white middle-class able-bodied neurotypical man, I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
now wheres my sammich
I can haz come late, bring fried green tomato, swiss, smoked turkey sammy on sourdough.
Scratch armpit once for mustard, twice for mayo.
Annenimby, my apologies for jumping all over you. I’ll second the comment more.
Mouthyb:
What do I do if I want both?
Scratch right once for mustard, left twice for mayo. Monkey faces means add hot sauce. :D
I’m not familiar with any Leelas.
I did just watch Firefly for the first time the last couple of days though (minus the unaired eps) and then Serenity.
Does that mean I can stay?
Mouthyb:
That’s an awful lot of work for a sammich…can’t I just grunt?
Jafafa Hots:
Only if you watch the rest of Firefly. And get me a sammich and a beer. ;p
MISANDRIST!
(Am I doing this /s ting right?)
Yikes! I felt dirty for that one. I don’t think I’ll have the stomac for this, so I’ll get out of bed and make myself a sammic
I clicked into this thread having just made myself a sammich. Does that make me a mangina or a gender traitor? I can never remember which is which.
@ Loqi
apparently it means you’re doing gender wrong. It’s really hard to get it right!
Best of both worlds ?
*ducks*
@…Sam…Strange
It really is pretty hard to do this gender thing. So many people don’t understand how hard it is to be a person with a male-sounding ‘nym.
On a completely unrelated note, I remember there was another bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant on this blog not too long ago. I wish I could remember her name. I just remember her being one of those uppity wimmin types. Always talked about the necessity of harassment policies and gender equality and other such inconsequential things. Never commented on the topics of prime importance. She didn’t seem to care at all about what color Justin Bieber dyed his dick hair this week.
1) I shall make PZ a sammich, even though I am a man.
{Claps hands}
One “Lucky Pierre” for PZ please!
Oh, not that kind of sammich? Sorry, too late, I’ve ordered the {ahem} “materials”.
2) Tfoot has developed a sufficient case of head-in-arse syndrome it is causing me pain. Therefore: Drinking.*
3) I expect more sarcasm by the time I return to the interwebs. None of you have tried hard enough. {Fierce look}
Louis
*Okay I was meeting friends today anyway, but I am going to have an extra drink to compensate for the psychological trauma of watching otherwise intelligent people screw the pooch in what can only be described as an epic fashion. IS this groupthink blogs? Oh fuck me quite deftly.
At last! Now can we focus on MOAR skepticism?
Just don’t you ask questions and examine and post about gender and how society defines and treats the gendered (including cis, trans and non!)! That’s not skepticism! Because…
Hey look, someone said “fairy”. Let’s go stomp them like the manly men we all are!
Gen:
Right. *Ahem* Now, who has the notes of the last meeting? We need updates on the status of Bigfoot, Nessie and UFO debunking…
Yeah! Then we can do other manly things, like bashing our heads into each other until Charlie Sheen becomes funny and Thunderf00t becomes insightful!
Newzeelan.
Have human babbys, sheep-babbys. Lambs.
Better sammich you not find.
Making a sammich? Why, sure. Let’s see if I have all the ingredients: plasticine, crayons and bits of paper, check. A lovely make-believe meal for 19-month-olds, coming soon! That should fit the demographic nicely.
(Why, yes, I’ve been babysitting for a friend of mine this week, why do you ask?)
BTW, I hear it’s kids before 3 who are expected to be into the self-centered-at-all-time and being-contrarian-for-fun thing. Though obviously, some individuals never grow out of it.
Suggestions for improvement gratefully accepted:
Thunderfoot opened wide and put
His thund’rous foot in his gob.
Then proceded to shoot at his other boot,
Whilst screaming that it wasn’t his job
To to clarify his stance, ’cause he’s so nuanced
That an idiot can see at first sight,
That though he spouts sexism, his ism, erm… isn’t.
We’re WRONG, NYER- NYER, he’s RIGHT!!11!!
So take this leaf, from the Thunderfoot tree
And you’ll never ever lose a another match:
Just double down, hide your head in the ground,
And remember that it’s truer if IN CAPS.
Daz, :applause:
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
BIOLOGY!
(I didn’t see that on your list)
Caine, thank you.
Where’s me sammich?
Since this is Pharyngula, I told the wife to make me a bacon sammich.
She asked me if I had a broken arm and threatened to call my cardiologist to have him yell at me about fat.
Us menz never get any respect. :-(
PZ, you really believe your are doing anymore than preaching to the choir?! Fascinating.
What’s your point, anotheratheist? Are you objecting to a discussion of sexism? Are you objecting to the Pharyngula commentariat being strongly anti-sexist? Do you think if sexism is ignored it’ll go away? Do you think Thunderfoot has a legitimate point about FtB having too much discussion about sexual harassment?
Well obviously anotheratheist isn’t a member of the choir and hasn’t read the preaching at all. Therefore anotheratheist is completely correct in their assessment of the preaching that they haven’t read.
‘Tis Himself
Why are you so stupefyingly stupid? I don’t care if PZ is blogging about crocheting or car tuning I would simply nor read it. The last census that blaghag did (2011 the one before the one that PZ screwed up) had approximately 3000 respondents among them not a single theist. What would the result be for a pharyngula reader census and the question whether the reader self identifies as a feminist?
Yet you must be reading it, so you are admitting to being a scumbag liar.
Group think is what happens when more than 1 person disagrees with Thunderfoot.
PZ, I could make you a sammich, but would you like to eat it once it has crossed the pond?
Heh. Oh hellz yeah, I’m preaching to the choir. The choir that sings the best. The choir that I want to grow until it fills the world and is singing a beautiful song.
It’s amusing that TF complains of a lack of freethought, and then wants FTB to cater more to a ‘majority’ of the ‘community’.
Incidentally, don’t think I can agree with the calls for the git to get evicted, since FTB doesn’t have a mission statement or the like. He’s an obnoxious bigot and I don’t like him here, but I don’t see the moral basis for giving him the boot. It smacks too much of the people complaining the PZed wasn’t writing about science on Scienceblogs.
That said, I certainly hope the commentariat and the other bloggers here will make life difficult enough for him, that he’ll leave on his own – much like John Loftus.
The choir that I want to grow until it fills the world and is singing a beautiful song.
Awww!
We love you too PZ!
Sili
The point where I changed from “never going to bother reading him” to “I want this bastard gone” was the copyright indecent. At that point he crossed a line from being arrogant and bigoted to being flagrantly and petulantly immoral.
“copyright
indecentincident“The Horde are the community that I thought was reflective of the skeptical/atheist community at large – progressive, socially aware, self-examining, scientifically literate, compassionate and forward-looking.
It was a devastating betrayal of my pixie-rainbow-unicorn dream when I realised that, actually, the ‘skeptical community’ was as full of idiots and arseholes and bigots as the rest of the population. My bad for having a bit of faith. I won’t be making the same mistake again; I’ll just set up permanent camp here. The Horde is how I want the whole world to be: better than.
Get back into the kitchen and make me a sandwich – A boring mans guide to gaining acceptance with other boring men.
Its sorta really sad that those against sexism are labelled a minority even within the ‘freethinking’ community. So imagine the outside world, where you have religion too to fuck things up. Things like this make me think religion is jus an excuse to keep the wimmin in place and the sammiches rolling in. People don’t treat women like shit cos their religion tells em to, they do it cos they can, and point their fingers at some fucktard book to justify themselves.
When an atheist wants to spew garbage like, “Strategically sexually harassing a few wimmen in those conferences is no big deal, cos hey its only a few people who attend anyway” he has to do it without the crutch of scripture, try to rationalize the whole thing, that’s when ALL CAPS rants like Thunderf00l’s are born.
So yeah, PZ isn’t preaching to the choir, he’s providing a place for those of us who can still think straight to retain our sanity in a world full of different streaks of the same insanity – patriarchy.
A fine display of childish pique from PZ. Most of these sycophants want you to take your ball away so that nasty thunderfoot can’t play with it anymore. PZ’s orneriness is appealing when he’s holding the right end of the stick. But insisting on being right, on continuing to be right, whatever the situation, however life goes on and changes, in defiance of reality, and in ignorance of others’ voices: this is dogmatism, pure and simple. And disappointing…
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Loqi@281: You made it for yourself, so you’re a gender traitor. If you’d made it for a woman, you’d be a mangina.
Aww! PZ, for that you get a (crocheted) sammich if I run into you at CON.
Daz @305 I’m not aware of a copyright incident regarding Thunderf00t, apart from the frivolous DMCA notices sent his way. Any chance of a brief summary or link to somewhere that discusses it?
I laffed
I laffed agin!
What’s the grunt-code if I wana burrito instead? No sour cream?
Josh:
Oh dear, it seems that I am literally barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
TF’s original ‘misogyny!!! post used (sarcastically) a copyrighted image by Amy Roth. She asked him to take it down. He was a jerk about it.
Sorry, PZ, you fail. Even if this post was meant seriously it still wouldn’t be as stupid as Thunderf00t’s latest. Parody is supposed to be more absurd than the real thing, dammit.
@316
Audley, I love you.
Just saying.
Somebody named M.A. Melby posted this [link to Word document] professional vetting of TF’s latest effort. It deserves wider dissemination.
gworroll
In his Misogynist post, TF used a graphic copyrighted by Amy Roth. When she asked him to take it down, he got all defensive about it. Though he eventually complied, he replaced it with a sarcastic text-graphic claiming that “should spend more time thinking and less worrying about copyright.”
It’s the back ‘n’ white graphic about half way down the linked post.
PZ @ 302
Deep breath. “Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa spines on his back are too sharp for a maaaaaaan…”
Charlie Sheen? That is SO 2011. I hear that another vapid celebrity is getting a divorce.
Oh fuck off, it’s Friday night.
Or, actually it’s Saturday morning. These early bedtimes I’ve been on lately are really cramping my style.
Do you tedious fucksticks ever have any original material?
Apparently not.
Excuse me, the topic of this thread is sammiches. Please stop derailing.
It really is the gift that keeps on giving.
Damn, that just boils it all down doesn’t it? “We should spend more time [blank] and less time worrying about [some way people are victimized]” is the perfect template for a TF argument generator.
(Still catching up…)
Janine:
Oh! We could all jump on the SamStrange bandwagon.
I’m down.
One of my favorite novels. You make me *swoon!*, Janine. :D
otrame:
;)
♥ back atcha!
Thus, I must mention the turkey sammich I just made with questionably-aged turkey and lettuce for my day trip to Johnson’s Shut-Ins. For lo, I am without a sammich maker, oppressed I am.
So I took a poll in my house, on whether or not this was a cool-ass post/comments thread. The results were as follows:
-“Meow?”
– “What? Stop getting so involved in the Internet drama, it isn’s healthy!”
-“MEOW! MEOW MEEEEEOW MEOOOOOW!”
-“Woof! Grrrrrrraaarrraaarrraaaarrrg…”
-“Blert.”
-and then a nonverbal response that involved running around the floor really fast and then biting my big toe.
I’m calling it a net favorable result, and will start demanding sammiches and drinks immediately.
Improbable Joe:
You have a turtle, too?
That Word document Chas linked at 320… Effin’ brilliant!
I vote ‘Blert’ as the new ‘WTF’.
PZ, I appreciate your providing the choir practice space. Love singing about the kittens. Beiber not so much.
So you’re not going to discuss the Tom – Katie split? But it’s something everyone is dishing about!
Folks… shhhhh.
I have a cat with a speech impediment. She’s a little sensitive about it. She can only say “blert” and let out this grating sort of “eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerg” sound.
Improbable Joe:
Fascinating. Incidentally, that’s the same exact sound as a turtle toot.
@ anotheratheist
Ah. That would be my clue to enter.
Unless, of course, if recognizing that I am not part of the choir makes me part of the choir?
Warning, long rant. *clear voice*
* Summary of previous episodes:
Our hero inadvertently revealed on-screen one week ago that just under the surface, he has some deep-rooted sexist prejudices. Thankfully for all concerned, he got called on it and had to face the elephant he was having in his room and which presence he refused to acknowledge.
We now see our hero as he is coming out of his period of soul-searching. *
OK, I dunno how I’m going to have this elephant out of my room, but hopefully, now that I’m aware of his presence, I will be able to reduce the amount of pestering he is doing.
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More seriously: prejudices like sexism or racism are scary. They are feeding on the surrounding culture, on other peoples’ prejudices. And speaking of Groupthink, one spouts prejudices as a way of group recognition – you (I) openly would say something sexist/racist in the hope of being accepted in a group.
And fighting your (my) prejudices is an everyday battle.
I know, it’s not new, but experiencing it firsthand is an eye-opener – I really hoped I was better than this, that I was more rational, more in control. It was a lie.
And no, I’m not dropping the responsibility of my prejudices on people around me: they may reinforce my prejudices, but I was perfectly aware of the bullshit I was spouting. I just denied that I was doing it. The human brain is wonderful for rationalize away things we don’t like.
I just had my week phone call with my mom and I told her about me discovering some behavior of mine I would prefer not have. Her answer?
“Lucky you, you got it before you hit 40. I know men in their 60’s who still have to realize it.”
OK, enough about me, what’s news?
Ah. “cats and kittens”? You monster. You will pry my kittens out of my cold, dead hands.
“the attractiveness of slender women in bikinis”
Err. Excuse me a minute, I need to check my back room, I think I hear something move.
*Gosh. Not a second elephant? False alarm, it’s just the first one wandering around. But I better watch him closely. I have done enough damage already.*
“jokes about women making sandwiches.”
check twice for an elephant.
I never got this. Adult men being proud that they still need mom to fix their lunch, like a 4-year old?
And anyway, don’t they know that the best sandwich maker is Arthur Dent?
I read the Why Evolution is True website, but I have to admit I’m getting nervous that the flouncers will soon reach critical mass over there and vaporize the place in a single flounsplosion.
If this keeps going at this rate, we’ll have a third endless thread on our hands. TST.
And now I really have to get off this computer. Everybody start talking about MMORPGs or something like that.
So I started playing League of Legends a few weeks ago…
Sorry that’s all I got, Rey Fox.
Err, let me expand on this, just in case there is doubt on my meaning:
Preparing tasty food is a gift. In the case of Arthur Dent, it gave him god-like status.
So I never understood those men who think that preparing food is menial and beneath them. They think they are funny, but they just sound like self-centered petulant children.
So that being said, would you accept sammiches from a Frenchman, PZ? For the meat, I have this elephant I don’t know what to do with.
Fuck MMORPGs. A world I can’t affect in any real way combined with playing with assholes.
Even if that’s true, so what? The “choir” gets fired up and then goes out and spreads the word. They write letters, talk to their friends, talk about the subject in less amenable forums. That’s how you build a movement. Who has more influence on society: the preacher in a church, or the guy shouting on a street corner?
Makin’ Sammiches with the ladies is kind of fun as long as you don’t get smothered.
Emrysmyrrdin
Hells to the yeah. This was exactly my experience.
Pharyngula on SciBlogs was the first Atheist blog I started reading. I felt at home immediately, although it took YONKS before I could scrape up the gumption to comment. The “sharktank” athmosphere nowhere intimidated me. To the contrary: for me, it’s comforting.
Someone like me, IRL, the timid, quiet, perpetually nervous nice abuse survivor who flees conflict before it even erupts? you say and I say YES. COMFORTING. Because the rules are clear, easy to follow and consistently applied.
There’s nothing “safer” than that for someone like me who is dependent upon emotional weather IRL and used to changing who I am just to be “nice” and fit expectations and not make waves and avoid conflict.
I particularly enjoyed the lucidity and clarity of the concept: If you can substantiate the argument, the tone doesn’t matter. To attack the tone only is to beg off the argument.
It was revolutionary to me, a well-trained Nice Girl. I can now even apply it IRL. To a very limited degree, but still.
To find out that this does not represent “the community” at large? Sad and shocking.
****
Kk, lest angsting MOAR SAMMICHES!
Incidentally, one of my favourite sandwiches is Marmite and syrup. (True story)
*runs away cackling*
Scratching one pit fer mayo, teh other fer mustard ?
fuk dat chit. u wimminz is spos’d ta be sychic an no what I wantz on my sammichs. doan make me tellz u agin, u alredy gotz a black eye from me tellin u de firts time.
/blitheringIdiot
Me, I stopped on the way home and got a breakfast sandwich from MC’ds. Which makes me a cholesterol hog as well as a Man-traitor ?
lol wut? did you post this at the wrong blog?
yep, thats why I started my blog. I kept getting referred to skepchick as the acceptable feminism but was dissapointed in the nudie calendars and such. its improved a lot since egate but still, jesus, I hated how irrational shit was totally acceptable if you were defending some kind of bigotry. I took all the outrage over religious abuse of women at face value too.
NOOOOO! Except for cats and kittens.
Ooh, ooh.. PZ Can you post a lot of stuff on haunted random items, spirits in people’s underwear drawers, and strange creatures that wrestle on football fields? I just can’t find enough shows about the paranormal, cryptozoology and football on TV in this day and age. ;)
Oh, right, and since its Rhomney vs. Obama this time around, we really need to solve that whole “UFO + invading space aliens” thing, so I know who to actually vote for. lol
Yes…I’ve never been blown away impressed by the skeptics. Skepticism is kind of a minimal qualification for making any progress at all*. It’s not like we have a pat-ourselves-on-the-back society for the literate, or the numerate, or us-who-are-capable of tying our own shoes.
*I realize that this minimal qualification is not actually a broadly distributed trait in the population. Hence, things like stupidity abound. However, when I want to see stupidity on the Internet, there are abundant sources. Sites with intellectual merit are considerably fewer, and don’t include every site that espouses skepticism.
I’m continually giggling from people using the word “dogma” the way herperp poster at 310 does.
Yeah, that word…
I am not at all surprised by this reaction. I take part in a group that attempts to notify users on a social network, and in the wider world, that their photos are possibly being used without permission on this social network (it is against the ToS to post photos are you not in, or did not take, among other reasons not to want this type of thing). When people are caught they often start with arguments invoking fair use, but in the end they almost always just complain about how everyone is just wasting their time or are poopy-heads.
That is the best description of an MMORPG I have ever read.
I’m usually someone who reads the comments here on FTBs more than actually comments, but I hoped to make salient one point from my own experience that I think is somewhat relevant. I hope it doesn’t get lost in the 350+ comments on this post…
I have a social science degree (sociology), and I’ve had the chance to study issues like gender, sexism, etc. While I was sympathetic to women’s issues (and having been raised by three women, hopefully not totally clueless), the difference between *my* experience of life as a heterosexual, white male clicked when I was having a conversation with my girlfriend several years ago.
She and I have been together for about 8 1/2 years now, and for about the last six years, worked together in the gaming industry (as professional dealers), as well as supervisors. Not long after starting out in the industry, whenever we’d talk about what happened at work, her recounting of the day would almost invariably include someone, at some point, hitting on her. Usually she would recount it with some annoyance, and I never understood this. I was lucky if someone hit on me even once a month – it was just not a part of my daily experience, and when it happened, I was flattered. I didn’t understand how she didn’t really feel the same way.
I think you’ll see where I’m going – it hit me. Not only did her daily experience at work involve (mostly) men gawking at her (and making this explicit to her), but this also happened to her *everywhere* she went. Her daily life is characterized by men making advances on her. I suddenly understood how she had to navigate her day, and how much of a factor her sexualization was for her. She has to constantly carefully navigate the relationships with so many men in her life, whether they are strangers, co-workers, or one of her bosses. Now, I wouldn’t say that most of these men were harassing her, and she never suggested as such. This isn’t so much about harrasment per se as it is about trying to understand the challenges faced by someone with a different “identity”, or yes, less privilege – because yes, privilege DOES exist – as an adult male, I have the *privilege* of not having to navigate my daily life worrying about how many sexual advances I will have to fend off; that’s a privilege, trust me.
I realize this is a personal anecdote, but it gives voice to substantial empirical evidence that many women attest to in their daily experience of life, and the known frequency of problems such as harrasment, assault, etc.
I could recount the hurdles we faced when she DID have to try and have our workplace deal with a customer that was harassing her (a high roller, surprise, surprise), but I hope that I’ve made the bulk of my point.
“Most people in the world do not care much at all about science, as long as their TVs work, are completely ignorant of evolution, and find atheism completely repellent.”
Actually most people are starving to death and looking for a place to curl up and die having abandoned their babies.
That’s what most people are up to these days.
Jesus fucking Christ, TF is an asshole. If you’re going to use what someone else spent their time and energy to create without their permission, you don’t get to be all persnickety when they ask you to respect the fact that it was not your time and energy that went into the creation.
Sounds like my real life. If I could cast spells, that would probably make it better.
I think this was the precursor to religion.
I liked Thunderfoot a lot more before he started talking about things outside his area of expertise. What a fuckhat.
For burritos, scratch crotch./phallic reference
I’m not sure what to do about sour cream, let alone red or green chilie, roasted jalapenos or guacamole.
For issues of such magnitude, you may have to use word things. Mah silly lady brains are unable to intuit it without directions like that.
Cats and kittens? If you truly want to make this a blog that caters to things white men really care about you’ll post about dogs. And note I say dogs, no puppies, which are cute, which is unmanly. And you’ll only post about manly dogs, like pitbulls and Rhodesian Ridgebacks. No dogs that can’t bite off someone’s face in one bite.
and i must scream
Vijen:
You know what amazes me, Vijen? That every single idiot like yourself thinks this problem began with Thunderfoot. You might want to shut up and stop advertising your stupidity.
Looks like annabucci and charlescollum didn’t like being taken to task (quietly) by Richard Carrier and know he runs full moderation on his blog so they’ve come to try their tired, worn out shit here.
Look you two, it’s too late. Instead of offering anything useful to the policies, you’ve come to debate about the debate. What? Did you spend days and days constructing your little strawpersons so you just can’t stand the thought of not being able to trot them out in all their (in your mind) glory?
You’ve been given the evidence that puts to lie many of TF’s declarations.
The policies are in place and will be changing and adapting as needs be. Go! Read the links to the info that have been generously provided by many bloggers here that aren’t TF! Learn something useful! It won’t hurt at all.
Barring actually reading and coming to your own independent conclusions (Hint: This means NOT what TF tells you you should think), should that prove so onerous to you, please do fuck right on off!
KTHNX!
Emrysmyrrdin
Thirded, fourthed or fithed. Hey, we could even share a sammidge.
(Is it OK if there are pickles? /ridiculously obscure fandom reference)
Shit, my g**gle-fu has failed me. I so wanted to post a link to the best pronunciation of the word “sandwiches” ever. It was by Ray Charles, hawking 5 roast-beef sandwiches for $5 in the late 90s, and the way he said it was so smooth, as close to 2 syllables as possible…’saadges’ or something like that.
(I also liked how he said ‘horsey sauce’.)
So you see why I hate the genre. To me a MMORPG is running on a treadmill minus any health benefits
With someone screaming “FAG” in your ear as you do
You might want to be wary of eating a sammich made and given to you by a cheesed-off woman—say, one who has been relegated to the role of sammich-making sextoy. The Secret Sauce (a blend of Entirely Natural herbs and spices and minerals) could give you a case of heartburn that you’ll remember for the rest of your life.
However short it might be.
(Not a threat. More of a contemplation.)
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Mattir, are you taking donations? ‘Cause the Pixel-cat sheds enough fur in a day to knit an entire new cat. Not sure about the cat/sammich exchange rate, but surely that’s at least one sammich-worth.
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Just like McDonalds’!
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There is no Blackford. There is only Zuul.
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There, that’s better.
Zull motherfucker! ZULL!!!!
Schism!!!
Do I want to know who is the Gatekeeper and who is the Keymaster?
I’mma put my pee-pee in it!
I thought Zuul was the Gatekeeper. The question is who is Gozor the Gozarian
Dang, PZ must think I’m a traitor. I fixed the Redhead a roast beef/munster/deluxe sammich for lunch.
charlescollom @ 85:
I completely agree, except for the malce, evil, and danger parts.
Jafafa @ 99:
Don’t tar us all with the same brush. (My ‘nym might be Hershele but it says Charles on my ID)
The same thing happened to me, James. Except it wasn’t just hitting on. Guys touching, demanding to get her number, insisting there wasn’t a ring on her finger so she was fair game. All while she’s trying to serve coffee and go about her work day in peace.
Lately it’s gotten worse. Her old boss (a gay man) never had much patience for that sort of thing. Her new boss (a het woman) won’t let her so much as respond curtly to those assholes.
“Stop making a scene! It’s a compliment. You have nice tits! Now get back to work.”
*facepalm right*
*facepalm left*
*headdesk*
*bodyfloor*
Julian:
Back when I was waitstaff a hundred years ago, I worked at a small place, lots of repeat, regular customers. One day, I got a sudden shift change, so I was going to get out early. While working, I kept my hair tightly braided and worn up (it was past my ass in those days) and wore my uniform to my knees, ’cause of that whole bending over to clean tables business.
So, I go upstairs, get changed, let my hair down and head back downstairs and through the cafe on my way out. One of my regulars blurts out “Holy shit, you have a body!” Then came the “Yeah, don’t hide those, baby!” “Look at all that hair! You look so pretty!” and other assorted comments. Christ, I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.
PZ:
wait a minute, gay people aren’t on my list.
Are you any good at making sammiches?
Not the kind of sammiches you’re thinking of…
PZ:
I remember this, though. *shudder*
*double shudder for Coke ad rework*
For preference, I’ll take clever amusing snark any day of the week.
Caine:
Okay, honey. C’mon over here, I have a surprise for you. Oooh, yes, kitchen table, it’s okay, put on this blindfold and I have these awesome fuzzy cuffs, it’s alright, it will be FUN. Okay, I’ll be right back…
*sharpens knives*
Oooh, are you going to play that game where you place your hand on a table with your fingers spread wide and do the stabby thing between said fingers [with increasing speed]…
(is there a name for that ‘game’)
Don’t be silly, Nerd. We all know that you’re the only woman on Pharyngula. Now, where’s my roast beef/muenster sammich?
PS: Does this mean that The Redhead is a Menz™ or are women allowed to make sammiches for each other?
PPS: I hope The Readhead is doing well! I still have my fingers crossed for a smooth recovery.
charles:
There are only so many fallacies one can read before one begins to suspect this issue isn’t really about harassment.And, you’ll note, (well you probably won’t but you should) that I emphasized the “*is*” in my original comment, not the “if.”Finally, it is telling how soon an *idea* you disagree with becomes “dangerous” or “evil.”
Please go away until you grow up and learn about the subject.
Lesson 1: sexual harassment of women is extremely common in society (and various communities in society also face this problem, including the atheist/skeptic community
Lesson 2: stop minimizing the extent of the harm done by sexual harassment
Lesson 3:
go make PZ a sammich…something something…rotted porcupine…sit n spin…Janine:
Sorry Caine. I am one of those weird science fiction fans who hates both Star Wars and Star Trek.
I didn’t know people like that existed. Sorry, that can’t be true.
Thou must pick a side (hint, hint, Star Trek sux).
Ugh.
Now I need to make a sandwich and feed it to my cat, right?
I’m not sure how well this plan was thought through.
@123 You reminded me: Jesus I need a drink.
Frack. I’m sorry, I meant to just have the url there, not have the video pop up. How do I edit my post?
James @352:
I could recount the hurdles we faced when she DID have to try and have our workplace deal with a customer that was harassing her (a high roller, surprise, surprise), but I hope that I’ve made the bulk of my point
#1: I’m extremely happy to see that you came to understand that women have to deal with being sexualized on a regular basis. I wish there were a formula for teaching this to people.
#2: While I’d hate to ask you to venture into the slimepit, perhaps you could mention your story to Thunderblunder…
davidbyars:
You can’t, I’m afraid. Don’t worry about it, it happens all the time.
Well, you don’t have Pharyngula Saloon and Spanking Parlor™ receiving transporter unit installed, so that leaves the trebuchet. But hawks and other raptors seem to sense the reentry and grab bacon sammiches midflight. The reality is the Redhead finished the roast beef, and I haven’t made it to the store yet in order to restock the deli sliced beef.
Her friends have been stocking the fridge with leftovers, which makes it easier on me. Tonight, planned-over chicken, smashed potatoes, broccoli, salad, and watermelon. For second dessert, the Redhead has meds in vanilla yogurt with homegrown black-/rasp-berries. Speaking of which, I better start reheating…
Nerd:
I don’t?? This must be rectified immediately! I need a sammich, STAT!
Why are you guys so hostile?
Why are you stupid, dishonest, whiny and full of shit?
I dunno, maybe it’s because you are a stupid, dishonest, whiny piece of shit.
Ya think?
Didn’t have the time yet to read this thread, but I just suffered through TF’s.
Apart from the general stupidity and hypocrisy of TF’s post (how much scientist street cred does he have left?), I quickly noticed that I was skipping almost every other comment because they were fucking appalling.
So I decided to made a list of these commenters for future reference. My very own, very subjective, Raging Asshole List.
What constitutes Raging Asshole status? Couple things. Like trolling. Like accusing FTB of groupthink, cencorship or bullying. Like demanding atheism stay pure (the only thing atheists are allowed to talk about is atheism). Like being condescending or dismissive (especially towards survivors). Like using any of the following phrases in relation to FTB for realz:
– echo chamber
– page hits
– hysteria
– feminazi
– sycophants
– radical feminist agenda (somehow I don’t think they mean transphobic radfems)
– fembots
– feminist dogma
– dissent (from the “party line” or whatever)
– lynch mob
– cencorship
– baboons
– name calling (awwwwww!)
– drama
– watsonistas
– Peezus
– “free thinker” (note the scare-quotes)
Who are these Raging Assholes? Lemme give you the list:
#Comments | Nym
1… AJS
1… Alfonso
8… AndrewV69
25.. annabucci
1… Anonymous
3… BarfSimpson
4… bluharmony
1… Bob Moynihan
2… charlescollom
1… codelette
7… CommanderTuvok
2… Crispytoad
6… Darren
6… Egbert
2… ericatkinson
1… Eshto
5… good ol’ southern white boy who loves guns
1… Iamcuriousblue
1… I.C.K.D. (stands for “International Cunt Kicking Day” *shudder*)
1… jake
2… John C. Welch
8… John D
25.. johngreg
1… JSpiro
4… JT (not JT Eberhard)
32.. Justicar
2… kacyray
4… Kahfre
2… KarlVonMox
5… Kyle Rybski
1… LadyBlack
2… Masakari2012
1… Michael R
1… Mike de Fleuriot
1… mouth mixture
1… Mr. DNA
1… nope.avi
5… plhearn
3… Porco Dio
5… sam
6… Spence
1… stephenmuth
1… Stretchycheese
11.. Stue Never
8… tigzy
1… thunderf00t (firmly established by now)
5… Tony
14.. xtog
3… Za-zen
49 of 144 (34%) commenters were Raging Assholes.
235 of 513 (45.8%) comments were written by a Raging Asshole.
Thunderf00t has managed to create a space that is apparently very attractive to a very special kind of person. It’s also very stinky (and slimy) over there.
PZ, you really believe your are doing anymore than preaching to the choir?! Fascinating.
You thought you had a point, douchecanoe?
Fascinating. Well, in the same way as watching a dog eating peanut butter. That’s you, dumbass.
Klatu, thanks for the effort, but most of us are all too familiar with the denizens of the slimepit.
Hawsie sauce! I vaguely remember that commercial. Funny that it’s not on the internet. I wonder if it’s because it’s from a sort of post-VHS but pre-Youtube period of time.
Gads, no kidding. The disturbing part is that if my introduction to online atheism and science had come from one of the more sexist writers, my mid-twenties self might have ended up rolling with it.
Check your yard for the transporter unit, sent by trebuchet. Bacon sammich sent in cavity, since the raptors can’t get to it. Cost added to your tab.
*watches Pullet Patrol™ nod, lose the Evil Eye™ and waddle away*
klatu #392
Some recognizable nyms there.
Nerd:
Uh ohs, I don’t have a yard.
EVERYONE, DUCK!
There are VHS fans online, weird little communities. Everything Is Terrible is a well known hub of VHS activity; if you want the commercial really bad it could be a place to start.
@ klatu
Thanks for the guide. I might have missed a few, but I think I got the biggies.
For the sake of the hivemind echoes that may be coming, you can call me Bob.
@ klatu #392
Only 45.8 % of the posts? It felt like more when reading it. :S
Probably just the way the postings began and ended; since the comments have internal postings, some posts outside of the initial are left response-less, some of which are pretty disgusting. It’s almost enough to forget everything I know agree with them even if only for a second, even though the points were shot down ages ago.
klatu: How would you like to work with Pharyngula Special Intelligence? That’s some very impressive work there.
Oh, rly?
*Looks over at stacks of ST:TNG VHS tapes and wonders if they might be interested
@lonelyshadow #401
It certainly felt like more. Maybe it’s because every OK post was in response to a RA (that includes TF). So the theme was… consistent. *cough*
@Caine #394
I thought so. I just found it impossible to actually read that shit without needlessly categorizing it.
enyway weres my sammich?!
wimmin can make sammiches for each other if theyve made sammiches for the menz first
[ot] typing with no caps and punctuation feels wrong, but it makes it so much easier when youre typing with a six month old asleep on you
Nice coincidence: while reading this thread I got this in my twitter stream http://youtu.be/x1oXIZVLthw
Do not diss Goss and Subby. They are my role models.
Also, kitties aren’t being hand-fed enough treats, and catnip deliveries are distressingly irregular.
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I gotcher sammich right here. It’s Entirely Natural.
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Well, Bigfoot and Nessie are overdue with their report on the State of UFO Debunking, if that’s what you mean.
I suspect them of eloping on the company dime.
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+1
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Tabletop RPGs, anyone?
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