They Said It Far Better


I don’t really want to post endlessly about the US elections, they are over and done and we all need to accept the fact that Trump is President. A few days ago, I also posted about how annoyed I’ve been at the finger pointing and bickering in the wake of the US elections, putting forward my thoughts as to who this whole mess actually happened. Today I’ve watched a few back episodes of TYT and, I realized, I should have just posted one of their videos instead, as they are the professionals and they’ve explained what I was thinking far, far better than I.

 

If you don’t have 17 minutes to dedicate to political analysis, this parody video also sums up one of the core reasons Hillary lost in just a few seconds.

Comments

  1. Kreator says

    Yawn, the same white-pologia again, which also plagued your previous post. Hillary won the popular vote by about two million. She is not the main person to blame. Paraphrasing her husband’s campaign: It’s the racism and sexism, stupid! Helped by America’s ridiculous electoral system.

    • thoughtsofcrys says

      She did win the popular vote, that is true. It is also true that Donald Trump won fewer votes than Mitt Romney did, and you may recall he lost. In my previous post I did say that the racist and sexist vote is what tipped him over the edge, and the video did speak a lot about the electoral college system, but you don’t think that the fact that many were not excited enough by either candidate to even bother voting had something do to with it? If you think that, we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    • says

      @Kreator
      The racists in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania voted for a black president twice. The sexists in Wisconsin and Michigan have currently sitting female senators.

      42% of women voted for Trump.

      29% of asians, 29% of hispanics, 37% of people in the “other race” category voted for Trump. 14% of the LGBT community voted for Trump.

      14% of LGBT! Despite Trump! Despite Pence! That’s a shitload of LGBT people looking at the crystal-clear homophobia and siding with it anyway. Something must be going on. Something that simple-minded identity politics can’t explain on it’s own.

      You can’t just hand-wave those numbers away and pretend that all those people are somehow self-hating bigots, that makes no sense and gets you nowhere.

  2. Siobhan says

    but you don’t think that the fact that many were not excited enough by either candidate to even bother voting had something do to with it?

    If the prospect of a self-admitted serial rapist, racist and xenophobic dickstain becoming President doesn’t agitate you enough to vote in a fashion most likely to defeat him, that definitely speaks to your character.

    • thoughtsofcrys says

      Unfortunately, most people were convinced he didn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell of becoming President. If they had, I think more of that category would have stirred. For that, I blame the obsession with polls and the establishment media, as does PZ from what I recall.

    • says

      @Siobhan
      Desperate people are willing to overlook things they would normally oppose. You voted for Hillary Clinton despite her worst actions.

      They downplayed his racism, “He’s not really talking about all latinos, just the criminals”, in the same way you downplayed her role in the destruction of millions of lives, “Well, it’s not like she single-handedly overthrew honduran democracy.”

      They denied his sexism, “He’s not talking to all women, just Megyn Kelly”, like you denied her warmongering “She doesn’t really want to wage war on Russia, she’s just threatening military response to cyber attacks and encouraging anti-russian sentiment on TV”.

      Even on things that may affect you personally, you were willing to let her and her party off the hook:
      -The super-predators comment was racist. The tough-on-crime laws of her husband, which she supported, were also racist.
      -Denying asylum to latin american child refugees was several levels of fucked up.
      -She was vocally opposed to gay marriage right until it stop being politically viable, and even then she had some disgustingly trans-phobic things to say about Chelsea Manning.
      -Her campaign used anti-atheist bigotry against her primary opponent.
      -Her predecessor (Obama) deported 2.5 million immigrants. More than either Bush. More than Reagan.
      -Nearly every time the choice was put in front of her, she chose war and intervention.

      I don’t think less of your character for doing this. You were desperate. If you were drowning and a KKK member (for whatever reason) threw you a life-jacket, you’d take it. That doesn’t make you a lesser person.

      This is not to say that all Trump supporters were desperate, just enough to get him in office. Hillary lost because she lost the rust belt. They were badly harmed by NAFTA and both the democratic sitting president and the democratic presidential candidate were pushing for the TPP. Donald Trump told them that he would cut that out, the democrats assured them that they would keep it up.

      They took the KKK lifejacket, it might be (and probably is) full of lead, but desperate people make desperate choices.

  3. sonofrojblake says

    most people were convinced he didn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell of becoming President… I blame the obsession with polls and the establishment media

    You might also blame the disdainful abuse heaped on anyone who, at any stage leading right up to election day, suggested even for a second that Trump should be taken seriously and could win the White House. The chattering classes dismissed him as a joke from day one and didn’t seem to get the memo until the results were in, which was, duh, far too late.

    Also yes, Clinton won the popular vote – with TEN MILLION fewer votes than Obama got in 2008. This election was not won by Trump, it was lost by Clinton.

  4. Jake Harban says

    If the prospect of a war criminal, racist and colonialist dickstain becoming President doesn’t agitate you enough to vote in a fashion most likely to defeat her, that definitely speaks to your character.

    That’s the trouble with a two-party system— it doesn’t matter how deplorable one candidate is if the other isn’t a clear improvement.

  5. Ice Swimmer says

    Could it be both ways? The racism and sexism got the mainly white votes for Trump and Clinton couldn’t get the same kind of enthusiasm* as Obama plus Supreme Court re-legalising voter suppression.

    In large and diverse nation, more than one factor can influence the results.

    How would Sanders have fared? I don’t know.

    __
    * = both because she was quite conventional and for the establishment and because of sexism in the society

  6. eddie says

    This ‘hillary won the popular vote’ is bullshit. It’s because there’s an electoral college system that trump didn’t compete in many states such as cali. Change the system and he would’ve stomped you there also.

  7. sonofrojblake says

    This ‘hillary won the popular vote’ is bullshit

    It’s a fact. Y’know, one of those things that used to matter.

    I do see agree with the rest of your point, though. Trump concentrated his fire where it mattered with the system as it stood. It’s almost as though he wanted to win and knew how to. Bizarrely, even now I still see people sceptical of these things.

  8. says

    @7 sonofrojblake
    It is a fact, but a kinda useless one. She could win by up to 3 million votes and still be as much of a president as my dog. Sort of like saying “All lives matter”. I mean, sure, the statement is true, but it doesn’t add anything to the discussion, help anyone or teach you anything of use.

    @ everyone going on and on about the popular vote “win”
    She won more votes. Cool. What then? Forcibly relocate those voters into swing states so they can ensure your victory next time around? Pass a constitutional amendment through a republican house, senate and supreme court to have direct voting like we have in Mexico? Do that thing I just said, but instead of direct voting, have it be a proportional allocation of electoral votes, like Maine? Does anyone here honestly think any of that is feasible now?

    Bernie Sanders had a viable strategy to win the general election. We know it was viable because Donald Trump won with it. Jesus, even fucking Bill Clinton who was right there knew what was up, apparently:
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/14/the-real-forgotten-man-of-2016-was-bill-clinton/

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