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  1. Oggie: Mathom says

    Wyoming is kind of surprising.

    In addition to the low salaries, add in the lack of flexibility in lesson planning, teaching the students how to take tests rather than how to think, and, oh, yeah, the vilification of teachers that has been going on since at least the late 1970s.

  2. Ada Christine says

    if they wanted to be paid well they should’ve got a job that’s useful to the economy, like a stock broker or a CEO /s

  3. Akira MacKenzie says

    It’s easy: Americans love stupidity.

    American s HATE knowledge and education. They despise anyone with intellect and idolize the grunting, muscular brute. They show their anti-intellectual contempt through cutting funding to schools and treating teachers like garbage.

  4. brightmoon says

    Akira, bingo!

    I once tutored a high schooler who cut chemistry class the entire semester and 3 days before the final she decided that she wanted to pass. I gave her enough info during those 3 days that she got a 65 on the final. To add insult to injury I was tutoring her while she was at work at a cash register. If we really taught chemistry in this country ( USA) I shouldn’t have been able to do that

  5. brightmoon says

    Akira, bingo!

    I once tutored a high schooler who cut chemistry class the entire semester and 3 days before the final she decided that she wanted to pass. I gave her enough info during those 3 days that she got a 65 on the final. To add insult to injury I was tutoring her while she was at work at a cash register. If we really taught chemistry in this country ( USA) I shouldn’t have been able to do that

  6. indianajones says

    Not trying to argue the brute fact that teachers are underpaid cos they always are, but underpaid as compared to what metric?

  7. indianajones says

    Sorry I looked closer and saw the ‘other comparable college-educated workers’ part

  8. birgerjohansson says

    Mebbe you should bring in those scary Midwich kids? It saves on techers, all kids know what one kid has learned.
    It would eventually lead to humans being displaced and going extinct, but that is the kind of long-term thinking the MAGA crowd (and tories) hate.
    https://youtu.be/Pxi9xTQ4pUU

  9. rvoss says

    Speaking for Oregon, it appears that this comparison is based on an annual salary. We here have a decent retirement benefit as well. It’s good enough to make up for our lower wages. A few decades ago state workers noticed that their wages were below private sector (and other state’s) wages so state union workers went on strike for better wages. The state legislature did not want to face voter anger to raising taxes to pay for a wage increase, so they instead decided to offer a retirement benefit increase instead, knowing that they could put off funding that budget increase until later. Well, you can guess what happened. The benefit has never been properly funded, so now every time the economy dips downward, the state budget goes into the red to pay this retirement benefit. So, do the legislators admit that they did not do their job? No, they point at the union workers and yell that we are selfishly, greedily, stealing from hard working taxpayers. Big surprise.

  10. says

    By dumbing down the next generation and stigmatizing birth control they are ensuring that they have an infinite supply of cheap ignorant labor. In short, the wealthiest are trying to bring back slavery. Not American Chattel Slavery, but more like the old school Roman slavery. They want us poor, uneducated, in debt and struggling to survive. That’s why they’re terrified of low unemployment. Anything that empowers workers is contrary to their agenda.

    The corporate elites are engineering an entire generation of impoverished ignorant workers so they can buy more luxery yachts and penthouse condos.

  11. consciousness razor says

    Teachers clearly just need to start hating their jobs a lot more. That would solve the problem. Once it gets bad enough, your masters may consider whether or not it’s worth it to pay you accordingly. (They’re always fair, presumably, so no need to worry.) Until then, you do get plenty of “exposure,” which is also what they call it when you die from hazardous environmental conditions, and that has to count for something. Really, you should just be satisfied that we allow you to make anything at all from your pointless little hobby, when there are much more useful/important things that workers should be doing with their lives, such as hating the work that they have to do to give us consumer everything we want as cheaply as possible.

  12. bionichips says

    In the not too distant, past before teachers were demonized and working conditions were OK, here in Northern NJ my teacher friends said they were underpaid – being paid 100k. I told them I could come in on Monday and not have a job (shortly thereafter I was laid off while on vacation). They asked about seniority and unions at which point I explained reverse seniority. They then asked about my pension plan – which is non-existent. I calculated their retirement package – pension of 65k/year + lifetime medical to be worth $1m-1.5m.

    Job security plus a great pension does need to be calculated.

    Here in northern NJ I would say considering the total packager – pay, job security, and retirement teachers are fairly compensated.

    That said, with the nuts out there teaching now has to be horrible.

  13. Akira MacKenzie says

    @ 17

    In the not too distant, past before teachers were demonized and working conditions were OK, here in Northern NJ my teacher friends said they were underpaid – being paid 100k.

    Let me guess, they worked in some nice, suburban school district populated by upper-middle-to-upper-class whites? If so, suggest they try to live on the compensation that teachers from an impoverished, non-white, urban district or even a school a school in a rural white region receive. Then we’ll see if they complain about their $100K pay.

  14. says

    Anti-intellectualism? This isn’t new. Hofstadter wrote “Anti-intellectualism in American Life” in 1963 and it still reads like he wrote it yesterday. Now we have Trumpers and tea party-ers instead of the Birchers from his day (but unfortunately, they took over the GOP, rather than being relegated to the fringe).

  15. flexilis says

    @1 Oggie:Mathom
    Wyoming (former) teacher here. Wyoming has a tiny population and until recently had an enormous tax base from the energy industry. Teacher salaries were once pretty comparable to other careers. With the plunge of coal the state budget has dropped. But even though I was teaching during the rich years I had to switch careers when our family started to grow. Good luck to all you teachers everywhere.

  16. Akira MacKenzie says

    @ 20

    I certainly wouldn’t want to be a teacher at this point in American history, not with Trumpist shits taking over the school boards with Proud Boy thugs backing them up.

  17. says

    Speaking for Oregon…
    Oregon teachers shouldn’t expect the retirement package to always be there. The public service here had a similar system and no surprises the government didn’t fund its share of contributions and helped out their “mates” by using employee contributions to fund dodgy projects. End result a huge unfunded liability. When there was a coup in my department and the director was overthrown the redundancy and pension payout all but bankrupted the department. The governments response to this impending disaster was to shut down the pension fund and transfer everyone to a fund with far fewer benefits Luckily we had a union who won a court battle to get it restored. End result those originally on the old fund get their decent benefits, the new fund was closed to new employees but kept running and a new even less adequate pension fund was started. So depending on when you started you either get a decent pension, an inadequate pension or a starvation pension. One other thing. Contributions to the funds are compulsory you can’t decide instead to set up your own fund which gives you control over how your contributions are invested and better tax advantages.

  18. irene says

    In a lot of places teachers don’t get Social Security, though, so you have to figure that in. (The value of what amounts to an annuity that’s indexed to inflation and has a provision for a spouse is considerable.)

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