Two wackjobs met in a podcast


No. I’m not going to listen to it. I’ll take the Readers’ Digest Condensed version of the epic encounter between Boghossian and Bret Weinstein.

This was amazing.

1/ Peter Boghossian’s interview with Bret is, predictably, an hour of them discussing the mental and moral defects (including ‘being ugly’) that lead people to disagree with them

Bret brags about how intellectually honest he is and how hard he works to disconfirm his hypotheses

2/ IMO the highlight was when Bret released a suprise new hypothesis

Apparently, the Woke Mind Virus could very well be a bioweapon seeded by our geopolitical enemies to destroy The West!

3/ I thought he probably meant this in an unfalsifiable sort of “well there are russian/chinese troll farms sowing dissent on twitter” kind of way, but no, he’s very clear that he believes they might have *invented wokeness* and deployed it as a weapon

4/ Also funny that Peter Boghossian seems to have paid absolutely no attention to Bret’s content and does not know that he’s become a hardcore antivax conspiracy loon.

5/ Bret’s recent interactions twitter with yours truly😘 seem to have crystalized into a new talking point. You don’t have to pay attention to your critics if they haven’t “accomplished anything.” This raises the question – what has Bret accomplished?

Yeah, Bret used to be a biologist. Boghossian used to be a skeptic.

Comments

  1. Akira MacKenzie says

    Yeah, Bret used to be a biologist. Boghossian used to be a skeptic.

    Yeah, funny how these are the same assholes who claim that our “feelings” are interfering with our ability to make rational decisions when they are ones ignoring facts to suit their emotion-driven racism, sexism, homo/transphobia, and capitalist greed (Whoops! Tautology!).

  2. raven says

    Bret who?
    Guy isn’t even a nobody, he is a never was.
    AFAICT, he is an internet troll.

    twitter Mar. 05, 2020
    Bret Weinstein
    @BretWeinstein
    I’m a PhD, not an MD. I believe vaccines are among the greatest human inventions—discovered in multiple cultures and contributing massively to human wellbeing. My kids are vaccinated. But I don’t believe vaccines are safe, or that we fully understand the risks

    I see one of his many problems here.
    Bret Weinstein is dumb, not the brightest bulb on the tree.

    He is an antivaxxer.
    .1. Vaccines aren’t completely safe.
    But they are very safe compared to the diseases they protect against.
    To take the current example, a few out of a million will have a bad reaction to the Covid-19 virus mRNA vaccines. The death rate from Covid-19 virus is 1.6%, so 16,000 out of a million will just die. Around 200,000 will come down with Long Covid-19 syndrome and many of those will be permanently disabled.

    We don’t just guess about vaccine safety.
    Scientists collect data from clinical trials and post clinical trials surveillance.
    We know what the risk reward profile is.

    .2….or that we fully understand the risks.
    This is very dumb.
    Some of our vaccines are centuries old and have been given to billions of people.
    With that sort of data base, we know what the risks are.

    As of two days ago, 4.89 billion people worldwide have been vaccinated against the Covid-19 virus.
    With that large a number of people, the risks and rewards are well understood.

  3. raven says

    WillametteWeek
    09/15/2021 By Anthony Effinger

    The loudest COVID-19 vaccine skeptic in Oregon? You might think it’s pistol-packing, Trump-loving talk radio host Lars Larson. Or Baker City Mayor Kerry McQuisten, whose opposition to mask and vaccine mandates is stoking her run for governor.

    You’d be wrong.

    Instead, the loudest voice may be that of a Toyota-driving Bernie Bro who lives near Lewis & Clark College, an evolutionary biologist with a Ph.D. who studied and taught at two of the nation’s most liberal universities and participated in Occupy Wall Street.

    His name is Bret Weinstein, and he makes his living preaching the dangers of COVID-19 vaccines while extolling ivermectin, the controversial drug often used to deworm horses.

    Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying on their podcast.
    Weinstein, 52, is one of the foremost proponents of ivermectin. He’s appeared on Tucker Carlson’s show to flog the drug. He and his wife, Heather Heying, also a Ph.D. biologist, went on Real Time With Bill Maher in January, an appearance that boosted interest in their DarkHorse Podcast, which has 382,000 subscribers on YouTube alone.

    Guy is an idiot and a scammer.

    He was pushing Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid-19 virus.
    It’s been in numerous clinical trials and has been shown to not work at all against the virus.

    Claims like this end up killing a lot of people.
    Instead of going to the hospital for treatment, they sit at home and take Ivermectin. By the time they find out it doesn’t work, they are past the point where the treatments such as MABS, antivirals, steroids, and anticlotting agents should optimally be given. This can and often is…fatal.

  4. birgerjohansson says

    “Lars Larson”
    (Cringe)
    Why do all the worst whackjobs have Swedish names?
    .
    By the way I am surprised the Reich Wing tolerate a guy with a vaguely Jewish-sounding name like Weinstein.
    But mebbe they are too busy hating the gay.

  5. ealloc says

    From @3’s quote:

    Instead, the loudest voice may be that of a Toyota-driving Bernie Bro who lives near Lewis & Clark College, an evolutionary biologist with a Ph.D. who studied and taught at two of the nation’s most liberal universities and participated in Occupy Wall Street.

    It’s a pattern: Guy who initially claims surface allegiance to leftist causes, trying to attract an audience for their upcoming podcast/book, but it later turns out in practice they believe the opposite. Weinstein, Lindsay, Michael Shellenberger, and more.

    Reminds me of quote I recently read (to Godwin this thread with Mein Kampf): “We chose red for our posters after particular and careful deliberation, our intention being to irritate the Left, so as to arouse their attention and tempt them to come to our meetings — if only in order to break them up — so that in this way we got a chance of talking to the people.”

  6. John Morales says

    “This raises the question” is a very good indicator of someone with at least a clue.
    I approve.

    (Most people would have written “This begs the question”)

  7. hemidactylus says

    There was a time when I cared about street epistemology but the brand is horribly tainted by ASSociation with Boghossian and Lindsay. It didn’t help when prominent street epistemologist Reid Nicewonder started following Lindsay around like a fawning puppy. I seriously have much better things to do than watch these two has been bozos talk.

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