Asked. Answered.


I think his own words definitively answer that question.

This is not the first time Trump has gone on a racist tirade. Anderson Cooper, and other non-Fox-News announcers are reasonably intelligent people who ought to be capable of recognizing this crap, I don’t know why they pretend it’s some strangely peculiar assertion.

Comments

  1. Bruce says

    Not that it matters, but at the turn of the previous century, all of AOC’s ancestors were living in America, while none of Trump’s family were.

  2. lotharloo says

    Yes it is outrageous but then again this is the same guy who announced his presidency run by calling Mexican immigrants rapist and criminals with some “I suppose good people”.

    In fact, the big blame lies with pathetic Democrats who tell him he can get away with anything, I’m looking at you fucking Nancy Pelosi. Put aside your stupid political calculator and do your fucking job.

  3. pipefighter says

    Sorry PZ, Anderson Cooper, like all the contributors as CNN and MSNBC, we’re hired not to rock the boat and be cosy with power. The only reason they’re at all friendly with the “squad” or Elizabeth Warren is because they spent all kinds of airtime pretending to care about identity when Hillary was running. They can pretend to give a shit about these folks but the fact is throwing them under the bus was always part of the plan. Just like they’ll pull out the knives with Warren the second Sanders drops out, they’ve been waiting for the chance to take out the squad. If you in anyway threaten their power they’ll crush you at the first opportunity. Sure, they’ll play nice when it works (suddenly they’re enamoured with Warren because Bernie scares them so much more) and they act like they love AOC, but they’ll never forgive her for knocking out Joe Crowley. If the women/poc/lgbtq2saplus candidate is pro establishment, they’ll fight day and night to protect them and they absolutely would call the speech what it is, but if they’re people fighting for even modest change, they will be persona non grata. The leadership in that party needs to go.

  4. Chris Capoccia says

    I don’t take Anderson Cooper’s “How can you say that?” as necessarily disbelief. It could be, but more than that it’s mean to be “tell me more about why you believe Trump is a racist”. And AOC obliges: “When you look at the words that he uses, which are historic dog whistles of white supremacy. When you look at how he reacted to the Charlottesville incident, where neo-Nazis murdered a woman, versus how he manufactures crises like immigrants seeking legal refuge on our borders, it’s — it’s night and day.”

    The simplest explanation is that Trump has always been racist. The convoluted conspiracy is that Trump only mobilizes racism but isn’t racist himself

  5. Bruce says

    Trump should share the wisdom of his people, by doing a fact-finding tour of Germany to tell us all how Bismarck instituted universal health care for all. So Donnie can tell us all how to do Medicare for All, like he essentially promised. Of course, everything he says is meaningless, and his party knows it, and feels no commitment to any of the ideas he pretended to campaign on. They never took him seriously, so why should anyone else?

  6. stroppy says

    Much of the supposedly liberal media beat the drums for war in Iraq. They covered AGW denialism as equal to science. When they’re not fluffing things up, and the frenetic news cycle makes causes undamped oscillation in their little bobble heads.

    The have some bad habits because they haven’t advanced their profession to keep up with the times. For example…

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/06/25/when-npr-more-dangerous-fox-news#

    and also this (you’ll need to take out the spaces I’ve added to the url–because moderator’s filter)…
    https://www.juancole.com/2019/06/pres ident-m ent ally-ret a rded.html

  7. stroppy says

    Hmm, my comment at #6 above certainly needs cleaning up. Apologies.

    Damn I’m groggy this morning.

  8. Akira MacKenzie says

    Now the slug is calling for these for congresswomen to “apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said…”

    They should respond accordingly: “Fuck no.”

  9. Saad says

    Akira, #8

    I think the standard Democrat resistance consists of “Mr. President, you should be uniting America”.

  10. says

    Some people say that he is an opportunist instead of a racist. But,

    An opportunistic racist is still a racist.
    An opportunistic misogynist is still a misogynist.
    An opportunistic fascist is still a fascist.

  11. pipefighter says

    @10 SQB, that reminds me of the whole “it’s okay, they’re just trolling, they’re just pretending to be bigoted” argument. I can’t remember who said it but I always liked the “if you’re going around pretending to be a racist you aren’t pretending.

  12. Dunc says

    Well, it is true that these “Democrat Congresswomen” [sic] do come from countries – or rather, a country – whose government is a complete and total disaster, and while it may not be the most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world, it certainly is notably corrupt and inept… The head of that corrupt, inept government? One Donald J. Trump.

    As for fixing the broken, crime-infested places from which they came… That’s exactly what they’re trying to do.

  13. Akira MacKenzie says

    Saad @ 9

    Under whose desk are those tweets being made? Pelosi or Schumer’s?

  14. nomadiq says

    To quote Trump on these congresswomen, ‘telling the people of the United States… how our government is to be run’

    This is not some weird midnight rant. No cofeves, no grammatical errors. This was well thought out racism. He said women, so he can’t be just talking about Omar, who is obviously a US citizen and member of Congress… who better to have a say in how the government is run? Maybe Putin. Doesn’t matter, she is not one of us.

    As for the other progressive democratic congresswomen he must be referring to I’d like to see a Trump and/or his supporters deny he was talking about the following women:

    Tlaib, a native born US citizen who is an Arab, so presumably not one of us. Worst of all, a Palestinian Arab, so one without money and critical of Israel – what could be worse? And what country is she to go back to? Palestine is not allowed to be a country.

    AOC, who has ancestors with US citizenship for longer than Trump himself, but knows Spanish and has a funny Latinx name, so not one of us? Only country she can go back to is that of her ancestors…. the USA.

    Pressley, who is black and a native born US citizen, in one of the most vicious acts of racism from this president yet, is not one of us and needs to go back home? Pray tell which country she should go back to? Which country were her ancestors snatched from?

    It is hard to think of things that are more racist short of actual acts of violence and physical oppression. We only need to look at the southern boarder for that.

  15. blf says

    Republicans silent as Trump renews racist attack on congresswomen (Grauniad edits in {curly braces}):

    […]
    In the face of international condemnation — but very little comment from his own party — Donald Trump returned to the offensive against four Democratic congresswoman he targeted with racial invective on Sunday.

    True to provocative form, the president accused the Democrats of spewing racist hatred — precisely the offence of which he has been widely accused.

    In a tweet early on Monday, the president [sic] wrote: When will the Radical Left Congresswomen apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said. So many people are angry at them {and} their horrible {and} disgusting actions!

    He added: If Democrats want to unite around the foul language {and} racist hatred spewed from the mouths and actions of these very unpopular {and} unrepresentative Congresswomen, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I can tell you that they have made Israel feel abandoned by the US.

    […]

    In familiar fashion, Trump’s first tweets, sent perhaps to distract from controversy over squalid conditions at the southern border and certainly in an attempt to drive a wedge into a fissure in the opposition party, were factually inaccurate.

    That’s seems tame for the Grauniad, albeit I presume forthcoming analysis / opinion columns will use something more robust, such as “contained many lies and were completely bonkers”.

    […]
    On Sunday Nihad Awad, national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said: “If Trump shouted the same thing at a Muslim woman wearing hijab in a Walmart, he might be arrested.”

    […]

    Commentators from the Never Trump wing of the [thug] party were swift to condemn the president. Charlie Sykes, an editor at the Bulwark website, wrote: “There was a time when GOPers like Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham, Nikki Haley, Jeff Flake, even Reince {Priebus} would have denounced this kind of racism. Who will speak out now? Will any elected Republican push back?”

    [… Thug] party figures, among them Utah senator Mitt Romney, a frequent [sic] critic of the president [sic], were silent. Some, such as Graham, instead devoted media appearances to defending Trump over images from the southern border of migrant men held in cages amid what one reporter called “sweltering” heat and “horrific” stench.

    […]

  16. Nemo says

    I assumed Cooper was being rhetorical, but yeah, it came across weird. How can anyone not?

  17. blf says

    The Grauniad’s snark machine splutters into action, If there is an ‘immigrant’ who has failed to integrate in America, it’s Donald Trump:

    People like Trump hate our freedoms so much they want to turn us into some kind of dictatorship like they had back home — in Europe

    Why does Donald Trump hate America so much? What is it about this German-American that makes him think he can tell native-born citizens what to say and how to behave?

    […]

    Trump sounded like he just noticed some new phenomenon of Congress telling the executive branch how to behave. Let’s hope he doesn’t know about the Tea Party.

    […]

    Trump is unfortunately correct when he says their government is “the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)”.

    Because it’s his own government and it barely functions. Everyone in Washington — especially the poor British ambassador — has said as much.

    […]

    That’s the problem with immigrant families like the Trumps. They have no respect for our traditions and our elected representatives.

    They hate our freedoms so much that they want to turn us into some kind of European dictatorship like they used to have back home. When they talk about our God-given constitution, they sound like they haven’t even bothered to read the Cliff’s Notes version.

    On Friday Trump insisted that he was immune from all that Russia-related stuff because his own attorney general said he didn’t break the law. Which must be how these immigrants think the law works where they come from.

    “Take a look at one other thing,” Trump told reporters, explaining how there was no way he could be charged with obstruction of justice. “It’s a thing called Article Two. Nobody ever mentions Article Two. It gives me all of these rights at a level that nobody has ever seen before. We don’t even talk about Article Two.”

    Article Two of the constitution has been around for a while — as long as the constitution, in fact. If nobody has ever seen it before, that nobody must be an immigrant from a country without a constitution.

    It’s true that Article Two establishes the office and powers of the presidency. It also talks about a pesky thing called impeachment.

    But what can you expect from these newcomers, fresh off the boat with immigrant wives called Melania and children with foreign names like Ivanka? All they want to do is hobnob with foreign leaders, instead of hanging out with real American members of Congress.

    Give them an inch and they’ll take away our all-American first amendment rights.

    “To me, free speech is not when you see something good and then you purposely write bad,” Trump said to a group of rightwing nutjob social media hacks at the White House last week. “To me, that’s very dangerous speech and you become angry at it. But that’s not free speech.”

    Trump purposely talk bad, like immigrants do. He also thinks free speech is happy speech and bad speech is angry speech.

    […]

    Some people say that Trump’s racism is becoming more obvious and obnoxious as we near the 2020 election.

    Those people have clearly forgotten how Trump built his 2016 campaign on racism against President Obama, Mexicans and immigrants in general.

    Those people have also forgotten Trump’s incompetence and indifference in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria. And they have ignored his policy of punishing families and especially small children at the southern border for the last two years.

    They can’t remember his complimentary comments about the neo-Nazis in Charlottesville who wanted to rid the country of Jews, or his less complimentary comments about immigrants from what he called “shithole countries” that just happen to be majority black and brown.

    […]

    Soon we’re going to have to watch a German-American president playing footsie with a British prime minister who was born in New York, with Turkish and Russian roots, who is actually named Boris.

    With all these immigrants around, it makes you wonder why we can’t find any real white nationalists to play the racism card any more. All these foreigners are taking the jobs away from our pure-bred bigots. They ought to go back to where they came from.

  18. colinday says

    How can she say that?

    The speech centers in the brain send signals to the larynx, tongue and mouth to move in certain ways, and the resulting sounds come out. I’ll leave the details to the more biologically educated.

  19. says

    sqb@10:

    Some people say that he is an opportunist instead of a racist. But,
    An opportunistic racist is still a racist.
    An opportunistic misogynist is still a misogynist.
    An opportunistic fascist is still a fascist.

    As a gent wo goes by the gym Popehat has been known to observe: If you fuck a goat to own the libs, you’re still a goatfucker.

  20. says

    This IS their country of birth, but if it wasn’t, then when they became citizens they would have made the following oath:

    I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure
    all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or
    sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;
    that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States
    of America against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true
    faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the
    United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant
    service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law;
    and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or
    purpose of evasion, so help me God.

    So he’s asking Naturalized citizens to go back on their oath.

  21. says

    Chigau. Yes, and the oaths for resident alien, Congress, and the military are pretty similar with the military specifically making an oath to the President.

    Of course we can’t totally blame our dear leader, he’s never had to take any of those oaths. Though the presidential oath specifies that “to the best of my ability I will defend the constitution of the United states”. Again, one could argue that he’s working to the best of his ability.

  22. A Sloth named Sparkles says

    Can we apply this to white skeptic men? Including those who claim to hate Trump, but still won’t call out his bullshit?

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