Policy and romance? How can I not support her?


This was charming enough.

But even better…Elizabeth Warren actually called her, and talked about a plan!

The best kinds of plan always involve raising taxes on billionaires.

I’m getting a little worried. My wife is still fiercely favoring Bernie Sanders, while I keep on warming to Elizabeth Warren. I may have to worry about my marriage if this continues.

Nah, no worries. The DNC will stack the deck for that schlemiel Biden, and we’ll find marital harmony in hating him together while we both end up voting for him. Then, of course, we’ll be comrades in the revolution that follows.

Comments

  1. Michael says

    “I am deceased.”? Is this a spelling mistake/autocorrect or beginning of a zombie sex apocalypse?

  2. rpjohnston says

    @Michael it’s a Millenial expression. Or maybe Z. It means “overwhelmed emotionally to the point of dying”.

    Yay Warren! Bernie’s lost a lot of my support since he’s spent the years since 2016 Old White Dudeing around and making excuses for the “economically anxious”. Still has good policy I think, but I vote mostly on how likely I think someone is to fight for their people vs pine after mediocre white guys who complain about being “unheard” despite dominating everything. I back Bernie over Clinton for that, and Bernie’s pretty much middle of the pack for me now.

    Harris has been winning back some of my respect after some stands and tweets that weren’t milquetoast asinine crap.

  3. vucodlak says

    If Biden is handed the nom by the MSM and DNC, and he does somehow miraculously beat Trump (and it will take a fucking miracle), then we can look forward to someone even worse than Trump in 2024. No way does the gormless gropey gaffe-machine (the Democratic one, I mean) serve more than 4 years in office, not least because Trump’s economy will start to collapse under the weight of looting and sheer stupidity in the next couple of years.

    If Trump’s economy starts to show serious signs of collapse before the 2020 election, Biden will have his best chance of winning, and he’ll end up saddled with the whole of the blame for it. He’s too far in the pockets of the wealthy parasite class to take the “extreme” measures necessary to significantly mitigate or mend the damage in time for 2024.

    I don’t care to place bets on what foul thing the Republicans will scoop out of their bottomless cesspit and stuff into a suit and red tie, but unlike Uncle-fucking-Joe I know they aren’t going to suddenly grow a sense of human decency after Trump is gone. The rot is shot through, and there’s no bottom to their depraved inhumanity.

    If we somehow manage to shed our current quasi-dictator through democratic means, we won’t be so lucky next time around. Without a strong leftwing voice to move this country away from the abyss, we’ll plunge right in. I’d advise people to start planning for that now.

  4. markkernes says

    Aw, don’t be such a party poop! I’d take either Sanders or Warren as president, and I think both of them can muster the support to get the nomination—and imagine if they were BOTH on the ticket as P and VP! Unstoppable! (Thinking I’d like her as P because, you know, the woman thing…)

  5. cartomancer says

    No, the best kind of plan involves fundamentally restructuring society such that billionaires aren’t actually a thing anymore.

  6. numerobis says

    Sanders knows about climate mitigation. Warren doesn’t; she’s all about adapting.

    Inslee is the only one with a real plan though.

  7. canadiansteve says

    If Biden is handed the nom by the MSM and DNC, and he does somehow miraculously beat Trump (and it will take a fucking miracle), then we can look forward to someone even worse than Trump in 2024. No way does the gormless gropey gaffe-machine (the Democratic one, I mean) serve more than 4 years in office, not least because Trump’s economy will start to collapse under the weight of looting and sheer stupidity in the next couple of years.

    This. The DNC and media friends seem hell bent on making Biden the Democratic nominee. I think Trump might be just bad enough for a dead squirrel to run for the Dems and win, but when Biden gives 90% of Americans the middle finger on the first chance to prove his loyalty to his rich backers over everyone else, the backlash will pretty much guarantees the next Republican gets to finish the work of Trump.

  8. says

    @#6, numerobis:

    The problem is that Sanders still, even now, has the best all-around policy package. (Complaints that he — or Warren, or any of the others who isn’t a right-of-Centrist — is “weak on foreign policy”, I’ve found, boil down to “but he won’t commit to pursuing any of our endless, pointless wars for his entire term”. “Strong on foreign policy” has come to be a euphemism for “evil” the way “tough on crime” is.) He also has the best history of not getting swept up into the latest right-of-center policy madness, like NAFTA or the Iraq war.

    In fact, with respect to the latter, as in 2016 the election is going to focus a lot on rhetoric over history, partially because a lot of the candidates have so little history but partially because Biden’s history is 99% revoltingly bad and the DNC really wants him to get the nomination.

  9. says

    How is it I’m almost 40 years old and I still feel like Baby Boomers are making all the decisions for me? I’ll suck it up and vote for Biden if I have to, but I will NOT be happy about it. FYI I’m an independent and have been my entire adult life, and the only reason I vote Democrat 90% of the time is because I hate, despise and resent them slightly less than Republicans.

    In fact, my preference for the Democratic nomination would actually be Kamala Harris, solely because she would destroy Trump. She might not win the election but she would be the candidate most likely to crush and humiliate him in public. He might not survive the first debate. Like, literally die of a heart attack/stroke on stage.

    Yeah, it’s nasty and vindictive, but I’m very angry. Harris, so far, has been as close to an avatar of my anger as it gets and I hope she crushes it.

  10. says

    The DNC couldn’t stack a deck if the cards were still in their cellophane-wrapped box. It doesn’t control the scheduling of the primaries and it certainly doesn’t control the votes people cast. Every year the party organizations have less and less control over anything. What a waste of time worrying about what the DNC might do.

  11. ridana says

    #9 @ Ray Ceeva

    How is it I’m almost 40 years old and I still feel like Baby Boomers are making all the decisions for me?

    Because Boomers vote more? According to a report from the United States Election Project, less than 45% of people 18 to 29 voted, and over 70% of people 65 and up voted in 2016. Of course, that’s not the whole of it. Gen X and Millennials outnumber Boomers 2:1 (adult Millennials alone will outnumber them this year), so there’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to easily outvote them. But they either don’t show up, or more important, close to half of them vote very much as their parents and grandparents do, which shouldn’t surprise anyone. Voters 40 and above went for Trump, as did nearly 40% of those under 40.
    Plus Electoral College with its fist on the scales…

  12. says

    @anthonybarcellos

    The DNC couldn’t stack a deck if the cards were still in their cellophane-wrapped box. It doesn’t control the scheduling of the primaries and it certainly doesn’t control the votes people cast.

    It has a great ability to impact fundraising and early-race media coverage. When CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. have stories on “electability” or “buzz”, you can be sure that’s because the party establishments are assigning those qualities. When someone in the Dem establishment asks a centrist-ish billionaire if they’ll be able to meet up at the Biden fundraiser later that week, that sends a signal.

    This is all separate from the party super-delegates who are entirely unelected and, indeed, whose job is to protect the party from the democratic primary vote of the party membership at large.

    Yeah, the Dems have plenty of tools to use to stack the deck. This doesn’t mean someone else won’t win, but it does make it very, very hard to do.

  13. liberalhysteria says

    We have to prove to the establishment that Biden is not electable. That means not voting for him if he wins the primary. We e need Sanders or Warren to get the nomination. Unfortunately the DNC wont allow that to happen, so we’ll just have to stay home and show the Democrats that this country will no longer vote for dried up old right wing plutocrats just because they wear a blue tie. Is it worth another 4 years of Trump? Yes. If we’re going to pull this off, we’ll need resolve. The same resolve the 2013 Indianapolis Colts showed when they established themselves as superbowl contenders with a 38-24 win over the Seahawks, despite the two previous seasons being so disappointing. And I know that if they bring the blitz more often, and sign Eric Barry they could be contenders again this year. Go Colts.

  14. voidhawk says

    There seems to be a truism in US politics that the VP acts as a kid of counterweight to the P, to try to attract as broad a church as possible. I wonder whether this works or whether it just dilutes the message? Did people who were concerned about Obama really feel comforted that Biden was the VP?

    It seems to me that a large criticism that hurts the Dems is that people don’t know what they stand for. Would a better strategy not be to have a joint ticket that is ideologically very similar (Warren/Sanders, for instance) who can reinforce one another and spend their time tag-teaming the media, getting that message out?

  15. lotharloo says

    Sanders and Warren are very similar, I don’t know why people try to manufacture some kind of stupid competition between them and I ‘m pretty sure as soon as one of them drops out, AOC will endorse the other one. At least that’s what I’m hoping for!

  16. says

    @liberalhysteria
    I am with you re: USA dems need to change. But not the rest.
    However, I am not convinced that even the pretence of democracy you have now will survive another four years of Trump. Quite the contrary, I am afraid that after four more years of Trump would mean an outright fascism, and that, once established, does not go away without bloodshed.
    We learned that the hard way in Europe.

  17. liberalhysteria says

    @Charly

    We have no democracy. We have a corporatist oligarchy. It pushes me ever further leftward.

  18. says

    We have to prove to the establishment that Biden is not electable. That means not voting for him if he wins the primary. We e need Sanders or Warren to get the nomination. Unfortunately the DNC wont allow that to happen, so we’ll just have to stay home and show the Democrats that this country will no longer vote for dried up old right wing plutocrats just because they wear a blue tie. Is it worth another 4 years of Trump? Yes. If we’re going to pull this off, we’ll need resolve.

    LOL. Nice parody account. You almost had me there for a minute.

  19. Ichthyic says

    we’ll be comrades in the revolution that follows.

    better be getting on with that sooner rather than later.

  20. Ichthyic says

    Is it worth another 4 years of Trump?

    let me guess. you’re white and male and straight?

    you should be honest:

    “Is it worth throwing women, minorities, the environment, the very rule of governance itself under the bus so I can get a candidate I want that then will be shut down entirely by a congress that has shown repeatedly that it is willing to violate the constitution to get what IT wants?”

    because if you’re willing to throw your neighbors under the bus NOW, you shouldn’t wait, Malcom X. start the revolution now. it will save time, and you won’t be a hypocrite.

    you will make a much better soldier in that revolution than you ever would as a voter anyway. and more power to you.

    just stop pretending you think your ideas about how voting should work, will work.

  21. says

    @liberalhysteria, note that I wrote “even the pretence of democracy you have now ” so your response to me is moot.

  22. MattP (must mock his crappy brain) says

    @liberalhysteria
    Why the fuck do you mention the colts in damn near everything you post? Not many here give a shit about a pack of overpaid dudebros beating the shit out of each other over a non-round ball with action resets every few seconds, other than the consequences of ignoring repeated concussions and injuries for profit.

  23. brucegee1962 says

    @15 voidhawk

    Did people who were concerned about Obama really feel comforted that Biden was the VP?

    Anecdotally, yes.
    My father was a centrist Eisenhower Republican who drifted into the Democratic camp after Watergate. (I think Ford was the last Republican he voted for.) He had deep reservations about Obama, mainly due to his lack of experience. Obama’s appointment of Biden as VP greatly reassured him that there would be a steady, known quantity close at hand, and let him vote for Obama without reservations.

    I have a leftist friend who, when the question of appealing to centrists came up, said, “Yeah, and if I ever meet any centrists, I’ll let them know.” But I thought, “yeah, with the silos we’re all living in now, are you really likely to meet any centrists? Just because you don’t know any doesn’t mean they don’t exist.”

    When it comes to “electability,” nobody really knows who people will vote for, so vote your conscience. But when it comes to the VP pick, I think it does make sense to think strategically. For instance, I think a female/male or male/female ticket is a very good idea.

  24. drst says

    I think Biden’s going to do what he historically has done in every presidential race. Flame out badly. Once the debates start happening and he’s flat footed around multiple women who are smarter and better prepared than him who don’t have the baggage of racism, sexism and foot-in-mouth syndrome, his support is going to slide.

    Sanders needs to be put out on his “independent” ice floe and stop sucking up oxygen from actual Democrats.

  25. says

    drst.
    I’m an independent who generally votes democratic. I thought the Democratic party would want our votes, rather than having us sit home or vote third party.
    You can bet if there isn’t a Republican in a race I’m voting Green now. Even in Texas that sometimes happens.

  26. dianne says

    I currently favor Warren but would not be unhappy with a President Sanders and would even be mildly pleased with a President Biden. However, I would point out that whoever is elected, they will be elected to the office of president, not the office of monarch. Be ready for disappointment, especially if the early drop outs don’t choose to run for other offices.

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