Ladies and gentlemen, the pick of the evangelical Christian right.
Do you think this will change Trump’s supporters’ minds at all? Now you can find out! Breitbart has rather tersely reported the bare facts of this story. Just read the comments.
Lots of “Bill Clinton is worse!” comments.
TRUMP = boys talk. Clinton actually did attacked and raped woman against their will and used his position to do so.
If only it would sink in that Bill Clinton isn’t in the running.
Then there’s the “All men do it” excuse.
If You’re upset about this, you have never been in a mens locker room. Sorry, but men (if they’re straight) talk about women as women talk about men.
Sorry, nope, I don’t, nor do any of my friends.
There are people who are very happy about what Trump said. It makes him a manly man.
BFD! 2005 LMAO, Yawn! At least he’s not a fag!
TRUMP is a true red blooded American, he has AMERICAN CHILDREN not imports or one that is soley a CLINTON political set up
And then there’s simple denial.
Women love Trump and Trump loves women. Nobody cares.
The evangelicals will still vote for him easily. He is the only candidate who is anti-abortion. Since that is an anti-woman stance, it is perfectly in line with the comments in the video. There is no conflict brought up by this video for most evangelicals.
This was today. Ryan is scheduled to appear with Trump tomorrow.
I very much doubt that Trump is personally anti-abortion, as I don’t think he really cares one way or the other. But he is more likely to appoint conservative SC justices, and that’s what matters to the evangelicals, apparently.
It might not be terribly Presidential, but it’s certainly Prime Ministerial.
For a given value of Prime Ministerial.
That value being “Silvio Berlusconi”…
I wonder how evangelicals and other Republicans who have endorsed him can honestly think he can be relied upon to hold up any agreement they think they have with him.
Also, there’s another test coming up tomorrow: a rally with Paul Ryan. Will Ryan show some principles?
Probably not.
“Who is Billy Bush?”
“A piñata made of shredded MAXIM magazines held together by the tears of actual journalists who are unemployed.”
Tony Perkins and Ralph Reed are sticking by him.
Actually, some evangelicals found their conscience: Group of nearly 80 evangelical leaders publish letter condemning Trump.
Michele Bachmann just dismissed this as “bad boy talk.” No. It’s bad man talk, you bigoted sycophant.
Has he ever?
Yep, he follows the Koch brothers orders, like any other über conservative.
And if it’s not just talk, but actions? I imagine the author of this little gem thinks he would be only to happy to have women walk up to him each day and grab his balls, especially if they were famous. Somehow, though, I think he’s imagining that all those women would look like Miss Universe and not, um, Donald Trump.
Heavens no! I value my composure too much for that.
I laughed when I read this. Paul Ryan have principles? LOL.
raven, PZ wrote ‘show’, not ‘have’. Different claims.
Charlie Sykes just said on Chris Hayes that Trump was talking about sexual assault.
And now a word from the Idiot Fringe.
Donald Trump’s first and third wives are from…Czechoslovakia and Slovenia. This guy doesn’t know that these aren’t places in America. Much less that these women are Slavs not real Europeans.
Which means his 4 kids are…half American and half Eastern European.
Rick Wilson: “If you think this is anywhere near the most morally repugnant thing about Trump to come out before the election, you’re going to be shocked.”
The very, very best electoral map.
Ryan says Trump won’t be appearing in WI tomorrow.
Ryan: “Women are to be championed and revered,…”
Shut. Up.
Tony Schwartz, Art of the Deal writer: “Trump’s words on women are precisely why I felt compelled to speak out about him. He is a repugnant human being by any standard.”
Rachel Maddow is going to be talking to Yamiche Alcindor momentarily. Alcindor is reporting on an emergency Republican meeting.
Nancy O’Dell – good taste in men (as far as can be discerned) and earrings. (Seriously – I love her earrings.)
Of course.
From the OP:
“If you’re upset about this, you have never been in a mens locker room. Sorry, but men (if they’re straight) talk about women as women talk about men.”
Yeah, no. I mean, it’s true that I’m not straight, but I am attracted to women, and I’ve never talked about a woman like this. Even as a hornier-than-average-conservative-through-apathy-asshole teenager I found it distasteful to talk about other people like this.
I can’t remember any of my actual friends doing this either. It’s just never been acceptable in any social circle I’ve ever voluntarily been a part, perhaps because women have always been a part of them.
Cross posted from the Moments of Political Madness Thread.
Other Republicans trying to distance themselves from Trump’s remarks:
Supposedly, we are now waiting to see a video message from Donald Trump, speaking “directly to the voters” about his lewd and sexual-assault-approving comments.
What John McCain says about Trump’s comments:
Mitch McConnell says that the tape of Trump talking about women is “repugnant and unacceptable.”
But, no, McConnell still has not rescinded his endorsement of Trump.
Paul Ryan was scheduled to appear at an event in Wisconsin tomorrow with Donald Trump. Now it appears that Ryan has basically disinvited Trump.
But, no, Ryan did not take back his endorsement of Trump.
ew, he’s a fratboy pig. At, what, 60 years old when recorded?
And he said all that shit while he knew he was wearing a microphone?
what a dumbass buffoon.
‘course everything I said is already over on the other thread. Carry on.
Nice of McMorris to be explicit about what’s wrong with what Trump said instead of offering vague condemnation. Or worse:
Putting us on a pedestal is still objectifying us, fuckface.
The last Breitbart comment can’t be descibed as denial, it is no more than a hyperbole. Most of white American women are going to vote for Trump, according to Nate Silver’s 538. You Americans have very strange pale-skinned females, most of them just don’t seem to care whether their president grabs unknown women by their genitals or not.
The Republicans are acting like they’re surprised by this. They lay down with this dog, now the itching is getting unbearable.
Trump has released an apology video.
No patience for you right now. Piss off.
SC, your lack of patience doesn’t change the sad fact that still 55% of white American women are stupid and racist enough to vote for Trump, despite all his disgusting misogynist remarks. I hope you’re not one of them. But they are the majority of the largest demographic group in a powerful and arrogant country — and these women are all over the internet defending Trump right now.
Apparently you own the site, so I shall piss off now, lest you attack me more. If you’re an American, you’ve pretty much proved my point about the arrogance. Do vote for Hillary, anyway.
Not true.
WaPo October 1
Among white women without college degrees, however, Trump leads Clinton 52 percent to 40 percent. The two candidates are virtually tied among white women overall: 46 percent for Clinton and 44 percent for Trump, according to the Post-ABC survey.
A later poll has the female vote difference between Clinton and Trump at 18%
It’s not just a subset of white females who will vote for Trump regardless.
It’s also a larger subset of white males.
And a small subset of nonwhites of any gender.
Oh I get it.
Borealis is just trolling. Fuck you troll.
Go play on Twitter or 4chan and finish your bottle of cheap vodka.
The adults are having a discussion right now.
borealis #36
oh FFS
SC’s comment #35 is one voice on one thread.
Suck it up, buttercup.
@raven #18
WTF “real” Europeans? Czech and Slovak republics lie right in the centre of European continent. There is no doubt we are “real” Europeans by any standard, geographical, historical, cultural or otherwise.
I think you mean no harm, but this attitude at both conscious and subconscious level gave us Brexit, destabilised EU and is still demonstrated by prejudices against Slavs across a significant part of EU. Some see Slavs as not “real” Europeans and some go even further and see us as not “real” people either. When you make a comment about some demographics, try to see how they might interpret it.
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I have not expected that Trump will describe how he can assault women and get away with it because he is rich. I had to stop the video halfway throught becasue I could not stand it. It makes me wonder now if he assaulted his wives whenever he felt like it, or the contestants in the Miss Universe pageant.
I guess I am naive, when even Trump is capable to surprise me with his vileness.
Eh. I still say his publicly stated desire for his daughter is creepier than this.
I am impressed by borealis’ determination to find someway in which women are to blame for Trump’s co.ments about us.
No wait, not ‘impressed’, ‘bored’, yes that’s it. I’m always confusing those two.
The crude, disgusting sexism displayed and the attitude toward women that is evidenced by the way he so offhandedly throws out the words should be warning signs enough that the person saying the words is not someone who should be elected to represent all of the people of the United States. The President, whether he is of your party or not, is everyone’s President, and how can you be everyone’s President when you treat half of humanity as if they were playthings ?
Charly at 40 you are dumb. That was snark or sarcasm. I hate it when I have to explain really, really simple things.
I don’t believe Slavs are untermenschen. And these days most people don’t or I hope anyway..
But anti_Slavic hatred, bigotry, and prejudice was common in the 20th century. The German Nazis thought they were lower than the Jews. And planned to ethnic cleanse and genocide them and take their land and stuff. That was a big part of why WWII happened. Lebensraum.
It also existed in the USA in one form or another. There was a lot anti-Slav prejudice.
While most of us have moved on, I can assure you some of the Trump supporters haven’t and would consider Slavs to be questionable at best. Some of Trump’s support is from…Nazis and neoNazis.
I’m guessing some people don’t know recent history. It was pretty dismal. Anti-Slav prejudice was a real thing.
1. The Holocaust was just a warmup act. The Nazis really wanted the Slavs gone.
2. There was a lot of anti-Slavic prejudice in the USA during the 20th century. Mostly directed at Polish and Hungarians. And also prejudice against Irish and Italians.
3. It’s still around both in Europe and the USA. How much I don’t know.
My impression is that in the USA, the targets have shifted to Hispanics and nonwhites, and these days Slavs, Irish, and Italians are considered white enough to join the KKK and Nazis.
Or marry Donald Trump if they are cute and young enough.
Well, raven, thank you for explaining basic history to me, as if I did not already know it. As well as explaining that anti-slavic bigotry does not exist anymore and is a thing of the past because you do not see it. I guess my friends imagined it when they were called “filthy slavic swines” by their French catering manager in Sun Valley mere 15 years ago.
Actually, no thank you, fuck you, you condescending asshole, fuck you and the high horse you rode in on.
I hate, when someone writes something idiotic, is called on it and instead of apologizing subsequently tries to save face by claiming it was snark or sarcasm and accuses people of stupidity for the crime of taking written word as it is, actually, written. A hint – without facial expressions, tone of voice and/or long friendship that implies deep mutual knowledge a written sarcasm is not as clearly recognisable as you think it is. If you want your sarcasm/snark to be recognized by someone who is miles away and has no way to read your mind, you should take greater care in formulating what you say.
For example you could write “Much less that these women are Slavs, who to the likes of them are not real Europeans.”. Or you could put “real Europeans” in scare quotes. There is a number of ways you could phrase your post. You phrased it as you did, do not blame others for your poor communication skills.
Phuy.
Transcript of Trump’s apology:
OK Charly you win.
There is no way I can explain things simple enough for you to understand. I know this because I tried.
While you may know recent history, a lot of Americans don’t. Our educational system has been going downhill for decades. And this is a blog in the USA with a mostly American readership.
raven
Bless your heart and have a nice day.
Er, if Americans are so uneducated how were they supposed to know that “not real Europeans” was sarcasm?
That was an assumption I made.
It turned out to be wrong.
That some people don’t know recent history is an empirically derived conclusion. I’m sometimes surprised at what people don’t know.
This thread is boring and a waste of time. If you want to continue squabbling over nothing, feel free. I’ve got better things to do.
Following the raven to the letter.
raven script
At least I know exactly how a woman must feel when some dude says/writes something sexist, she calls him out on it and he starts to mansplain to her how stupid she is, because he was just being sarcastic and snarky and joking and stuff. There is a silver lining I guess.
Don’t worry Charly, I’m dumb too!
So, does Chelsea know she’s an import or political set up? You’ve got to give them credit – have a kid that will only be used decades later for political gain in a presidential election.
Charly:
Raven is a compleat asshole, don’t let them get to you. Raven thinks the only person on the planet who is ever right is…Raven. :eyeroll:
You have long been one of most favourite people, you are very smart, thoughtful, and an all around wonderful person. I mark it a great privilege to know you.
Raven, I assumed your original comment was snark, but your subsequent replies have not been okay. Charly clearly knows about anti-Slav prejudice (she talked about it in her first comment to you!) and it is not her fault you expressed yourself poorly
@Caine #57
Oh. Thanky you for the kind words. I did not think that I comment enough to be remembered by anyone. I now muse about whether you remember how you chewed me out in our first interaction some six years ago :)
@jefrir #58
I am not a woman. But I know a lot about anti-Slav prejudice, because I am Slav (specifically Czech) myself and I encountered some of it first hand and more of it second hand. That is why I used “we” when I was talking about Czech and Slovak republic and Slavs in general.
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Why I actually came back here – it seems my worries about whether Trump has assaulted other women and the contestants of Miss Universe pageant were, unsurprisingly, more than justified. -click-