I wish she hadn’t given them free publicity; they get too much attention, as it is. I wish we could stay focused on problem solving, rather than problem mulling. She’s a smart, capable person. All they have is cheap shots @ physical appearance? Hell, I get that on my YouTube channel, all the time. I’m very poor; I have missing teeth. I’m old. My diet is poor. I am not physically attractive. Yet, my subscribers respect me. Any comments re: characteristics I can’t control: appearance, sexual orientation, gender ID, race, etc. and that person is blocked. period. I don’t have much time left on the planet; I can’t squander it on haters.
mythbrisays
@Brett
Being male isn’t something to be ashamed of, any more than being female is.
Guys like this piss me the fuck off, but unlike them I know better to hate the rest of their gender as collateral damage.
imthegenieicandoanythingsays
I could make these weenies cry within five minutes by joking about the tiny size of their, well, everything they consider important.
Yikes! One of them actually called her “a dumb broad.” Who let the 1950s out? Really, someone actually uses that expression now?
My other favorite is the one whose profile picture is a civil war soldier. Can’t tell if Confederate or Union. I’m leaning towards Confederate. Call me biased.
dantelevel9says
And we all know about their immature fantasies about women — their notion of the ideal woman comes straight from Frank Frazetta cover art.
The biggest problem of feminism has been this very notion. That females try to decide for men what they should find arousing.
it just doesn’t work that way
A huge problem is idiots who think this sort of bullshit has anything at all to do with feminism. Ugh.
Rev. BigDumbChimpsays
sigh
mythbrisays
@Caine
Wait….you mean that you DON’T frame your feminism through the lens of what men do or do not find arousing? How dare you neglect all the potential boners out there!
marinerachelsays
Here’s what I’m yucking it up about:
1. Dudebro claims men are attracted to “feminine” women and those who aren’t are a bit gay.
2. Turdlet whinges that feminism (whatever they mean by that) is trying to tell men what they should find arousing.
No, I think it’s your mate calling everyone with different taste from him gay who is telling you what you should find attractive.
Bjarnisays
For some reason I’m reminded of that line from ‘spaceballs’: “I knew it. I’m surrounded by assholes!”
I know it’s not fair to blame all guys, but I get what Brett means, I feel ashamed to share a common chromosomal complement with these guys.
chrisvsays
First the Mormon foolishness, then these cretins. Damn but it is hard to remember that there are lots of good people in this world. Excuse my Forrest Gump moment but society is like a soup – it will only be as good as the proportion of good to bad ingredients in the mix. There are times I fear the sour overwhelms the sweet.
Wait….you mean that you DON’T frame your feminism through the lens of what men do or do not find arousing?
I’m afraid not. Never gave a toss about what anyone found arousing.
How dare you neglect all the potential boners out there!
I’m busy enough as it is, besides, I’ve always found that boners, much like all those potential cases of imminent blue balls tended to be dealt with the best by the owners of those bits. :D
As I said over at Blag Hag, today would be one of those days when I start thinking that maybe eugenics is a good idea.
QueQuoi, traded in her jackboots for jillstilettossays
I am choosing to look at this in a positive way.
Every time one of these entitled, misogynist, bootstrap-pulling, all-about-my-peen fuckwits comes racing onto the scene to talk about the world from his point of view (as if all of history is not from the male perspective), it’s like shining a flashlight into an abandoned building… The cockroaches come streaming out, knowing that their time is limited.
I like to think of this as one of the final battles in the war against patriarchy.
People like Jen and PZ and Ophelia and Greta are well-positioned on the top of the hill with us, a screaming angry horde of quick-fire archers hell-bent on true equality behind them. Roosh and his ilk are attempting to engage us, petulantly waving their penises from the middle of a river at the bottom of the hill, wearing heavy armor and being washed away by the current.
Yes, Rogi, you already lectured Jen on how she shouldn’t have put up that post, because your need not to see their comments somehow supersedes her right to post what she wants on her blog, and because you obviously don’t understand that “don’t feed the trolls” doesn’t fucking work.
If it’s too much for your beautiful mind to handle, go back to YouTube. Nobody’s keeping you here.
vaiytsays
As I just told some people on MSN: weird fetishes don’t faze me, because what are they compared to this? Really. Odious.
I wish she hadn’t given them free publicity; they get too much attention, as it is. I wish we could stay focused on problem solving, rather than problem mulling.
As I said at Jen’s, in response to a similarly infuriating, callous, clueless comment:
You know what I hate even more than I hate the enthusiastic misogynists? Apathetic whiners who just want women to shut the fuck up about the problem so they can go back to living their comfy lives without feeling guilty about their utter lack of doing anything to help solve the damn problem.
I mean, seriously, “free publicity”? Yeah, let’s keep it so the sexist douchebags aim their harassment at women in private, and keep everyone else in the dark about it. That way, when women disappear from public life, everyone will think it’s just “natural,” it’s just because women “can’t handle it,” or similar such patriarchy-supporting nonsense.
Was it your goal to support the patriarchy, rogiriverstone? Because, if not–whoops! You did anyway.
I agree that insulting penis size is a stupid fucking retort to misogynists. Plenty of small-dicked dudes are both awesome and awesome lovers.
Charlie Foxtrotsays
I’m lost for words… I… argh…
I’ve got an 8 year old daughter who’ll be wanting to join the citizenry of the net soon enough, and I just… its… I… they… argh!
No words!
Yeah, I’ve been keeping my mouth shut because that moronic post made my blood boil and I wouldn’t say anything remotely…civil. I’ll see how long I can keep quiet. Let’s just say this person isn’t giving me a good impression, in this thread or any other.
I’m just gonna start saying “three post rule” instead of insulting people.
Good idea, I think I’ll adopt it.
Louissays
Don’t worry PZ, I’d totally do you.* It’s the beard (and the tenured position. I’d do a lot for tenure).
Oh wait…is that, like, MISSING THE POINT?
Why golly gosh gee, it’s like someone’s worth is not, like, totally connected to and dependent on their attractiveness to a specific person or sub group. THIS IS TEH KWANTUMM ROKKIT SURGEREH! I HAS A SMART!
It’s almost like I can read what a specific woman or man has to say on a subject, even if I disagree, and focus on the content of their words and not the wonderfulness of their secondary sexual characteristics. As if my bell end doesn’t do all my thinking for me.**
REVOLUTIONARY! ZOMG! Does this mean I am a mangina and/or woman?
Louis
* Actual “doing” might just involve having a beer with. Hey! I’m not easy! It’s beer first, then we’ll see about the rest. A boy’s got to have standards. Looooooooow low standards.
** To be fair the little*** fella does do most of my thinking for me. I’ve learned to shut it out. After all, getting caught humping lamp posts for the thirty second time tends to make the judge frown on your behaviour somewhat. Even if you are both members of the same Club. Blatant discrimination if you ask me.
*** Well, by little, erm, of course, well, you know, I mean, ahahaha, it’s, erm, gargantuan. Obviously. Goes without saying really. No, honest.
Maksays
I agree that insulting penis size is a stupid fucking retort to misogynists. Plenty of small-dicked dudes are both awesome and awesome lovers.
Not to mention it’s transphobic as fuck.
“She sounds upset. Must be ugly,” pretty much says it all, really. Kinda hard to wrap up the stupid any better than that.
Illuminata, Genie in the Beer Bottlesays
I’m just gonna start saying “three post rule” instead of insulting people.
Interesting . . . I’ve been mentally saying “strike one”, “strike two” as they go.
BeyondUnderstandingsays
For the same reasons PZ & Dawkins do not debate creationists, I feel like a serious response to these these slimeballs legitimizes them a bit.
I’ve read the “Don’t Feed the Trolls” Is Bad Science post, but I’m still not convinced. Ignoring asinine comments is not the same as keeping silent. MRA assholes only exists to battle with feminists. They post this shit with the hopes of invoking a response from the opposition.
You really think they attack specific feminists bloggers with the hopes they stay silent? That if they’re ignored, that’s a “win”?
Not calling their shit out only acts to reinforce their douchebaggy behavior.
So, yes. To them at least.
BeyondUnderstandingsays
Not calling their shit out only acts to reinforce their douchebaggy behavior.
While that has some truth, calling them out on their shit doesn’t degrade their douchebaggy behavior either. (As you can see with his response of “hey, check out this ugly broad”)
Jen’s response to RooshV puts them on the same level, in a sense. I’m sure he loved the fact that a legit feminist devoted a whole blog post to his lazy, adolescent attempt at humor.
I guess I just can’t find a big enough upside to battling with these idiots, to counter the downside of giving them an equal platform.
BeyondUnderstanding, calling out the MRAs has made more people aware of their behavior and, more generally, has made more people (especially men) realize just how bad misogyny is in our society.
While that has some truth, calling them out on their shit doesn’t degrade their douchebaggy behavior either.
Perhaps not, but reinforcing that this is not acceptable may (and has) had the effect of enlighting other people. Or has given them the courage to speak up when they see this shit go down
No great civil rights movements happened because people didn’t loudly and forcefully express themselves. Sitting down and shutting up changes nothing.
BeyondUnderstandingsays
That’s a great point Ms. Daisy/Audley. Consciousness raising is definitely a decent upside.
I guess I see this guy as small-time, and hate the idea of him gaining any legitimacy within his own ranks via “battling” with a more legit feminist.
OK boys. Out of the gene pool.
I am ashamed to be male.
I wish she hadn’t given them free publicity; they get too much attention, as it is. I wish we could stay focused on problem solving, rather than problem mulling. She’s a smart, capable person. All they have is cheap shots @ physical appearance? Hell, I get that on my YouTube channel, all the time. I’m very poor; I have missing teeth. I’m old. My diet is poor. I am not physically attractive. Yet, my subscribers respect me. Any comments re: characteristics I can’t control: appearance, sexual orientation, gender ID, race, etc. and that person is blocked. period. I don’t have much time left on the planet; I can’t squander it on haters.
@Brett
Being male isn’t something to be ashamed of, any more than being female is.
Guys like this piss me the fuck off, but unlike them I know better to hate the rest of their gender as collateral damage.
I could make these weenies cry within five minutes by joking about the tiny size of their, well, everything they consider important.
And beat them up, too!
Yikes! One of them actually called her “a dumb broad.” Who let the 1950s out? Really, someone actually uses that expression now?
My other favorite is the one whose profile picture is a civil war soldier. Can’t tell if Confederate or Union. I’m leaning towards Confederate. Call me biased.
And we all know about their immature fantasies about women — their notion of the ideal woman comes straight from Frank Frazetta cover art.
Yikes. It just never gets better.
A huge problem is idiots who think this sort of bullshit has anything at all to do with feminism. Ugh.
sigh
@Caine
Wait….you mean that you DON’T frame your feminism through the lens of what men do or do not find arousing? How dare you neglect all the potential boners out there!
Here’s what I’m yucking it up about:
1. Dudebro claims men are attracted to “feminine” women and those who aren’t are a bit gay.
2. Turdlet whinges that feminism (whatever they mean by that) is trying to tell men what they should find arousing.
No, I think it’s your mate calling everyone with different taste from him gay who is telling you what you should find attractive.
For some reason I’m reminded of that line from ‘spaceballs’: “I knew it. I’m surrounded by assholes!”
I know it’s not fair to blame all guys, but I get what Brett means, I feel ashamed to share a common chromosomal complement with these guys.
First the Mormon foolishness, then these cretins. Damn but it is hard to remember that there are lots of good people in this world. Excuse my Forrest Gump moment but society is like a soup – it will only be as good as the proportion of good to bad ingredients in the mix. There are times I fear the sour overwhelms the sweet.
Mythbri:
I’m afraid not. Never gave a toss about what anyone found arousing.
I’m busy enough as it is, besides, I’ve always found that boners, much like all those potential cases of imminent blue balls tended to be dealt with the best by the owners of those bits. :D
As I said over at Blag Hag, today would be one of those days when I start thinking that maybe eugenics is a good idea.
I am choosing to look at this in a positive way.
Every time one of these entitled, misogynist, bootstrap-pulling, all-about-my-peen fuckwits comes racing onto the scene to talk about the world from his point of view (as if all of history is not from the male perspective), it’s like shining a flashlight into an abandoned building… The cockroaches come streaming out, knowing that their time is limited.
I like to think of this as one of the final battles in the war against patriarchy.
People like Jen and PZ and Ophelia and Greta are well-positioned on the top of the hill with us, a screaming angry horde of quick-fire archers hell-bent on true equality behind them. Roosh and his ilk are attempting to engage us, petulantly waving their penises from the middle of a river at the bottom of the hill, wearing heavy armor and being washed away by the current.
Yes, Rogi, you already lectured Jen on how she shouldn’t have put up that post, because your need not to see their comments somehow supersedes her right to post what she wants on her blog, and because you obviously don’t understand that “don’t feed the trolls” doesn’t fucking work.
If it’s too much for your beautiful mind to handle, go back to YouTube. Nobody’s keeping you here.
As I just told some people on MSN: weird fetishes don’t faze me, because what are they compared to this? Really. Odious.
As I said at Jen’s, in response to a similarly infuriating, callous, clueless comment:
You know what I hate even more than I hate the enthusiastic misogynists? Apathetic whiners who just want women to shut the fuck up about the problem so they can go back to living their comfy lives without feeling guilty about their utter lack of doing anything to help solve the damn problem.
Three post rule.
I mean, seriously, “free publicity”? Yeah, let’s keep it so the sexist douchebags aim their harassment at women in private, and keep everyone else in the dark about it. That way, when women disappear from public life, everyone will think it’s just “natural,” it’s just because women “can’t handle it,” or similar such patriarchy-supporting nonsense.
Was it your goal to support the patriarchy, rogiriverstone? Because, if not–whoops! You did anyway.
I agree that insulting penis size is a stupid fucking retort to misogynists. Plenty of small-dicked dudes are both awesome and awesome lovers.
I’m lost for words… I… argh…
I’ve got an 8 year old daughter who’ll be wanting to join the citizenry of the net soon enough, and I just… its… I… they… argh!
No words!
SallyStrange:
Yeah, I’ve been keeping my mouth shut because that moronic post made my blood boil and I wouldn’t say anything remotely…civil. I’ll see how long I can keep quiet. Let’s just say this person isn’t giving me a good impression, in this thread or any other.
I’m just gonna start saying “three post rule” instead of insulting people.
SallyStrange:
Good idea, I think I’ll adopt it.
Don’t worry PZ, I’d totally do you.* It’s the beard (and the tenured position. I’d do a lot for tenure).
Oh wait…is that, like, MISSING THE POINT?
Why golly gosh gee, it’s like someone’s worth is not, like, totally connected to and dependent on their attractiveness to a specific person or sub group. THIS IS TEH KWANTUMM ROKKIT SURGEREH! I HAS A SMART!
It’s almost like I can read what a specific woman or man has to say on a subject, even if I disagree, and focus on the content of their words and not the wonderfulness of their secondary sexual characteristics. As if my bell end doesn’t do all my thinking for me.**
REVOLUTIONARY! ZOMG! Does this mean I am a mangina and/or woman?
Louis
* Actual “doing” might just involve having a beer with. Hey! I’m not easy! It’s beer first, then we’ll see about the rest. A boy’s got to have standards. Looooooooow low standards.
** To be fair the little*** fella does do most of my thinking for me. I’ve learned to shut it out. After all, getting caught humping lamp posts for the thirty second time tends to make the judge frown on your behaviour somewhat. Even if you are both members of the same Club. Blatant discrimination if you ask me.
*** Well, by little, erm, of course, well, you know, I mean, ahahaha, it’s, erm, gargantuan. Obviously. Goes without saying really. No, honest.
Not to mention it’s transphobic as fuck.
“She sounds upset. Must be ugly,” pretty much says it all, really. Kinda hard to wrap up the stupid any better than that.
Interesting . . . I’ve been mentally saying “strike one”, “strike two” as they go.
For the same reasons PZ & Dawkins do not debate creationists, I feel like a serious response to these these slimeballs legitimizes them a bit.
I’ve read the “Don’t Feed the Trolls” Is Bad Science post, but I’m still not convinced. Ignoring asinine comments is not the same as keeping silent. MRA assholes only exists to battle with feminists. They post this shit with the hopes of invoking a response from the opposition.
You really think they attack specific feminists bloggers with the hopes they stay silent? That if they’re ignored, that’s a “win”?
Not calling their shit out only acts to reinforce their douchebaggy behavior.
So, yes. To them at least.
While that has some truth, calling them out on their shit doesn’t degrade their douchebaggy behavior either. (As you can see with his response of “hey, check out this ugly broad”)
Jen’s response to RooshV puts them on the same level, in a sense. I’m sure he loved the fact that a legit feminist devoted a whole blog post to his lazy, adolescent attempt at humor.
I guess I just can’t find a big enough upside to battling with these idiots, to counter the downside of giving them an equal platform.
BeyondUnderstanding, calling out the MRAs has made more people aware of their behavior and, more generally, has made more people (especially men) realize just how bad misogyny is in our society.
Perhaps not, but reinforcing that this is not acceptable may (and has) had the effect of enlighting other people. Or has given them the courage to speak up when they see this shit go down
No great civil rights movements happened because people didn’t loudly and forcefully express themselves. Sitting down and shutting up changes nothing.
That’s a great point Ms. Daisy/Audley. Consciousness raising is definitely a decent upside.
I guess I see this guy as small-time, and hate the idea of him gaining any legitimacy within his own ranks via “battling” with a more legit feminist.
Shocking. What is wrong with people?!