We’ve got ’em. A St Cloud minister took out an ad:
Oooh, it’s the usual fear-mongering. I had to do a double-take when I saw Dennis Campbell’s summary of the Islamic Strategy, though…
Moslems seek to influence a nation by immigration, reproduction, education, the government, illegal drugs, and by supporting the gay agenda.
…because when I think “gay friendly”, I picture the Taliban.
I’m also wondering if Pastor Campbell thinks that a good way to oppose the influence of immigrating Muslims would be to counterbalance it with more immigration from those Catholics south of the border.
âAnd unlike xenophobia in Germany, Islam in Western Europe actually tends to weaken in the 2nd Generation.â
I wish that were the case. Unfortunately the British security services spend a lot of their time disrupting terror cells of 2nd generation Islamists.
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/the-nature-of-the-threat.html
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/terrorist-plots-in-the-uk.html
âtell that to Miss USA 2010. Very Muslim of her, to participate in a bikini & evening gown beauty contest, don’t you agree? â
Miss USA 2010 thankfully does not take the slightest bit of notice of what is in the Koran. Many of her co-religionists take a different view. Do you remember the Miss World riots of 2002 in Nigeria which left over 100 dead?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/23/newsid_3226000/3226740.stm
âBut when Muslims emmigrate, they often secularize, too.â
Not much evidence for this in the UK. See this interesting pol from 2007:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm
⢠86% of Muslims feel that religion is the most important thing in their life
⢠36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be
punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s
⢠37% of 16 to 24-year-olds prefer Sharia compared with 17% of over-55s
⢠74% of 16 to 24-year-olds would prefer Muslim women to choose to wear the veil, compared with only 28% of over-55s
You would have thought that being exposed to Western values would lead to an increasing liberalism in the second generation; for whatever reasons this does not seem to be the case. I doubt it is racism or ghettoization either given the UKâs very strong anti-discrimination laws on the grounds of either race or religion.
âholy fuck, dude, do you even realize that a lot of people from those places are asylum seekers?! are you seriously proposing a quota on people who are fleeing their countries?â
As I said there will always be individual exceptions for people who are fleeing from persecution and hold similar values to our own, but I donât see why we should take in people who, even though they are being persecuted in other countries, hold views antithetical to our own. The UK is not running a charity and people from outside the EU should not expect to be granted citizenship as of right.
âyou missed the point. sooty was insisting that no moderate Muslim sects exist. The existence of the Nizari proves him wrong, even if it’s a small sect. â
I didnât say that, I said he would be hard pushed to find one. The Nizari do appear to be fairly reasonable from looking at some of their websites (http://www.theismaili.org/) but their existence only shows that they are the exception to the rule. I wish there were many more Nizaris, but this isnât the case and they do not represent the vast majority of authoritarian, literalist Islamic sects.
âBasically, the question was about whether it’s ever ok to use a specific type of violence, in general. In every population, you’ll find a significant number of people who will agree with that. Is the percentage of Pakistanis higher in this regard than the percentage of Americans who feel the same way about killing with a gun, or committing act of “sabotage against the government”?â
No, the question was whether it is OK to use violence against civilians in defence of Islam. Do you think 46% of American Christians would answer in a similar manner about the defence of Christianity?
âdon’t tone trollâ
Since when was being civil âtrollingâ?
âAnd unlike xenophobia in Germany, Islam in Western Europe actually tends to weaken in the 2nd Generation.â
I wish that were the case. Unfortunately the British security services spend a lot of their time disrupting terror cells of 2nd generation Islamists.
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/the-nature-of-the-threat.html
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/terrorist-plots-in-the-uk.html
âtell that to Miss USA 2010. Very Muslim of her, to participate in a bikini & evening gown beauty contest, don’t you agree? â
Miss USA 2010 thankfully does not take the slightest bit of notice of what is in the Koran. Many of her co-religionists take a different view. Do you remember the Miss World riots of 2002 in Nigeria which left over 100 dead?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/23/newsid_3226000/3226740.stm
âBut when Muslims emmigrate, they often secularize, too.â
Not much evidence for this in the UK. See this interesting poll from 2007:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm
⢠86% of Muslims feel that religion is the most important thing in their life
⢠36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s
⢠37% of 16 to 24-year-olds prefer Sharia compared with 17% of over-55s
⢠74% of 16 to 24-year-olds would prefer Muslim women to choose to wear the veil, compared with only 28% of over-55s
You would have thought that being exposed to Western values would lead to an increasing liberalism in the second generation; for whatever reasons this does not seem to be the case. I doubt it is racism or ghettoization either given the UKâs very strong anti-discrimination laws on the grounds of either race or religion.
âholy fuck, dude, do you even realize that a lot of people from those places are asylum seekers?! are you seriously proposing a quota on people who are fleeing their countries?â
As I said there will always be individual exceptions for people who are fleeing from persecution and hold similar values to our own, but I donât see why we should take in people who, even though they are being persecuted in other countries, hold views antithetical to ours. The UK is not running a charity and people from outside the EU should not expect to be granted citizenship as of right.
âyou missed the point. sooty was insisting that no moderate Muslim sects exist. The existence of the Nizari proves him wrong, even if it’s a small sect. â
I didnât say that, I said he would be hard pushed to find one. The Nizari do appear to be fairly reasonable from looking at some of their websites (http://www.theismaili.org/) but their existence only shows that they are the exception to the rule. I wish there were many more Nizaris, but this isnât the case and they do not represent the vast majority of authoritarian, literalist Islamic sects.
âBasically, the question was about whether it’s ever ok to use a specific type of violence, in general. In every population, you’ll find a significant number of people who will agree with that. Is the percentage of Pakistanis higher in this regard than the percentage of Americans who feel the same way about killing with a gun, or committing act of “sabotage against the government”?â
No, the question was whether it is OK to use violence against civilians in defence of Islam. Do you think 46% of American Christians would answer in a similar manner about the defence of Christianity?
âdon’t tone trollâ
Since when was being civil âtrollingâ?
I am EvilSooty posting under this alter ego and if anyone is wondering both names are nicknames for my cat!
It looks like PZ is now moderating my EvilSooty account for some unknown reason:
‘Your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner.’
It is good to know that PZ only extends the principle of freedom of speech to those who express opinions he agrees with.
Anyway, here is my reply to Jadehawk that I had attempted to post and which will probably be deleted due to my thought crimes in a moment:
âAnd unlike xenophobia in Germany, Islam in Western Europe actually tends to weaken in the 2nd Generation.â
I wish that were the case. Unfortunately the British security services spend a lot of their time disrupting terror cells of 2nd generation Islamists.
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/the-nature-of-the-threat.html
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/terrorist-plots-in-the-uk.html
âtell that to Miss USA 2010. Very Muslim of her, to participate in a bikini & evening gown beauty contest, don’t you agree? â
Miss USA 2010 thankfully does not take the slightest bit of notice of what is in the Koran. Many of her co-religionists take a different view. Do you remember the Miss World riots of 2002 in Nigeria which left over 100 dead?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/23/newsid_3226000/3226740.stm
âBut when Muslims emmigrate, they often secularize, too.â
Not much evidence for this in the UK. See this interesting poll from 2007:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm
⢠86% of Muslims feel that religion is the most important thing in their life
⢠36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s
⢠37% of 16 to 24-year-olds prefer Sharia compared with 17% of over-55s
⢠74% of 16 to 24-year-olds would prefer Muslim women to choose to wear the veil, compared with only 28% of over-55s
You would have thought that being exposed to Western values would lead to an increasing liberalism in the second generation; for whatever reasons this does not seem to be the case. I doubt it is racism or ghettoization either given the UKâs very strong anti-discrimination laws on the grounds of either race or religion.
âholy fuck, dude, do you even realize that a lot of people from those places are asylum seekers?! are you seriously proposing a quota on people who are fleeing their countries?â
As I said there will always be individual exceptions for people who are fleeing from persecution and hold similar values to our own, but I donât see why we should take in people who, even though they are being persecuted in other countries, hold views antithetical to ours. The UK is not running a charity and people from outside the EU should not expect to be granted citizenship as of right.
âyou missed the point. sooty was insisting that no moderate Muslim sects exist. The existence of the Nizari proves him wrong, even if it’s a small sect. â
I didnât say that, I said he would be hard pushed to find one. The Nizari do appear to be fairly reasonable from looking at some of their websites (http://www.theismaili.org/) but their existence only shows that they are the exception to the rule. I wish there were many more Nizaris, but this isnât the case and they do not represent the vast majority of authoritarian, literalist Islamic sects.
âBasically, the question was about whether it’s ever ok to use a specific type of violence, in general. In every population, you’ll find a significant number of people who will agree with that. Is the percentage of Pakistanis higher in this regard than the percentage of Americans who feel the same way about killing with a gun, or committing act of “sabotage against the government”?â
No, the question was whether it is OK to use violence against civilians in defence of Islam. Do you think 46% of American Christians would answer in a similar manner about the defence of Christianity?
âdon’t tone trollâ
Since when was being civil âtrollingâ?
EvilSooty here posting under this nickname.
I had to create this account as the EvilSooty account is now being moderated by PZ for some unknown reason. It is good to know that PZ only extends the principle of freedom of speech to those he agrees with.
Anyway, here is the post I had tried unsuccessfully to submit in reply to Jadehawk and which will undoubtedly be deleted in a moment for thought crimes.
âAnd unlike xenophobia in Germany, Islam in Western Europe actually tends to weaken in the 2nd Generation.â
I wish that were the case. Unfortunately the British security services spend a lot of their time disrupting terror cells of 2nd generation Islamists.
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/the-nature-of-the-threat.html
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/terrorist-plots-in-the-uk.html
âtell that to Miss USA 2010. Very Muslim of her, to participate in a bikini & evening gown beauty contest, don’t you agree? â
Miss USA 2010 thankfully does not take the slightest bit of notice of what is in the Koran. Many of her co-religionists take a different view. Do you remember the Miss World riots of 2002 in Nigeria which left over 100 dead?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/23/newsid_3226000/3226740.stm
âBut when Muslims emmigrate, they often secularize, too.â
Not much evidence for this in the UK. See this interesting poll from 2007:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm
⢠86% of Muslims feel that religion is the most important thing in their life
⢠36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s
⢠37% of 16 to 24-year-olds prefer Sharia compared with 17% of over-55s
⢠74% of 16 to 24-year-olds would prefer Muslim women to choose to wear the veil, compared with only 28% of over-55s
You would have thought that being exposed to Western values would lead to an increasing liberalism in the second generation; for whatever reasons this does not seem to be the case. I doubt it is racism or ghettoization either given the UKâs very strong anti-discrimination laws on the grounds of either race or religion.
âholy fuck, dude, do you even realize that a lot of people from those places are asylum seekers?! are you seriously proposing a quota on people who are fleeing their countries?â
As I said there will always be individual exceptions for people who are fleeing from persecution and hold similar values to our own, but I donât see why we should take in people who, even though they are being persecuted in other countries, hold views antithetical to ours. The UK is not running a charity and people from outside the EU should not expect to be granted citizenship as of right.
âyou missed the point. sooty was insisting that no moderate Muslim sects exist. The existence of the Nizari proves him wrong, even if it’s a small sect. â
I didnât say that, I said he would be hard pushed to find one. The Nizari do appear to be fairly reasonable from looking at some of their websites (http://www.theismaili.org/) but their existence only shows that they are the exception to the rule. I wish there were many more Nizaris, but this isnât the case and they do not represent the vast majority of authoritarian, literalist Islamic sects.
âBasically, the question was about whether it’s ever ok to use a specific type of violence, in general. In every population, you’ll find a significant number of people who will agree with that. Is the percentage of Pakistanis higher in this regard than the percentage of Americans who feel the same way about killing with a gun, or committing act of “sabotage against the government”?â
No, the question was whether it is OK to use violence against civilians in defence of Islam. Do you think 46% of American Christians would answer in a similar manner about the defence of Christianity?
âdon’t tone trollâ
Since when was being civil âtrollingâ?