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  1. Narf says

    Well, I guess that answers the question of whether or not they’re ready to go ahead with their own means, if Austin Public Access has issues.

  2. TheGreatAtheisto says

    Missed seeing Jeff on the show. I loved when he would say “How dare you!”

  3. mond says

    Nice to see a guerrilla episode of the show.
    It seemed to go rather well.
    This situation of the studio being unavailable for an extended period time has happened before; about 4 or 5 years ago when Channel Austin did their studio upgrade.
    As far as I remember those shows were broadcast from ‘Dillahunty International Studios’ aka Matts old apartment and skype worked well but it tended to be almost exclusively atheists who called.

  4. EnlightenmentLiberal says

    As I said in the other thread, <3 <3 <3 Jeff for his kid-Flash example. It's perfect, and it's very much things I say.

  5. Peggy says

    It seems that theists might not know how to find the show–or how to call in with this system. I wonder how this can be advertised. Otherwise, the calls will mostly be fans of the show.

  6. EnlightenmentLiberal says

    @Peggy
    I do hope to get into serious philosophical arguments with Matt when he’s next on. I hope that will at least be entertaining for the audience, and informative.

    Unless Matt ends up agreeing with me like Jeff did on this show, but that seems unlikely based on my previous call with Matt.

    PS: MS mentioned previously that Matt might have changed his position in some recent videos, and I haven’t actually looked into it yet because I missed like 4 or 5 AXP showings, and I’m still too lazy / too indifferent to back and watch them.

  7. favog says

    In regard to scientific evidence against a deity, it’s true that you need to have the god in question specified first. But my own attempts to understand how the god-botherers manage to misunderstand The Second Law of Thermodynamics in an attempt to disprove evolution have led me to think that The 2nd Law shoots down any divine being that is non-physical in nature. Since everybody who has ever pitched the Abrahamic Sky Daddy has told me that he is non-physical, that’s science that lays him low.

  8. Narf says

    @5 – Peggy

    It seems that theists might not know how to find the show–or how to call in with this system. I wonder how this can be advertised. Otherwise, the calls will mostly be fans of the show.

    Hopefully they’ll catch up, in a week or two.  After all, it isn’t like in the old days, when we had dozens of people, each week, picking up the phone and calling in, after catching the show on the public access channel. Almost all of the theists we get are calling in from all around the US and occasionally from Canada.

    No reason they can’t use Skype, just like the atheist callers, who call from all over the place.

  9. says

    I found it interesting that the one caller commented that the Bible makes more sense if read as humans trying to teach God to be moral than the other way around. It kind of mirrors a thought that I had a little while back, which is this:

    The Jesus story being read as God incarnating so we could torture him to death in order for him to forgive is for all the times we broke his rules makes no sense at all. But what would make sense is him incarnating so we could punish him for all the horrific stuff he’s done, and thereby earn *our* forgiveness as he tries to become more compassionate.

    It’s still fiction either way, but I think this interpretation at least renders it a *sensible* fiction.

  10. says

    I’m really glad I wasn’t the only one who was bothered by that episode of Young Justice that Jeff was talking about. I had the exact same reaction to it. It’s like when I’m reading The Dresden Files series and in book 6 the main character spends an entire chapter bashing science and how people fool themselves into not believing magic exists in that universe. Even using the “people thought the sun revolved around the earth, and that it was flat, and…” nonsense people like to trout out. Meanwhile, I’m just sitting there screaming, “yes, but we don’t believe that now, and why is that? SCIENCE!”

  11. EnlightenmentLiberal says

    It’s like when I’m reading The Dresden Files series and in book 6 the main character spends an entire chapter bashing science and how people fool themselves into not believing magic exists in that universe.

    I’m curious, do you know which chapter offhand? I recall some of that, but I don’t recall it being especially bad. I would like to go reread it.

  12. says

    “I’m curious, do you know which chapter offhand? I recall some of that, but I don’t recall it being especially bad. I would like to go reread it.”
    Sorry, it was CHAPTER 6 of book 7, Dead Beat.
    And it may just be me being overly sensitive or somethin. I’d been going through the series again and noticed a bit of a, i dunno, I wouldn’t say anti-science thing, but it seemed to like making digs at it at least, like within the first chapter of the first book. “Psychics, haunts, vampires-you name it. People still didn’t take them seriously, but all the things Science had promised us hadn’t come to pass. Disease was still a problem. Starvation was still a problem.” “Science, the largest religion of the twentieth century”
    It did seemed to taper off a bit after Dead Beat, though.

  13. EnlightenmentLiberal says

    @VahnRPG
    My recollections are that it’s an attack on the fictional human society and academics in the story in order to explain The Masquerade, and it wasn’t really attacks on the scientific method or the scientific process itself. I want to see if I remember accurately. Thanks.

  14. Narf says

    @10 – VahnRPG

    Even using the “people thought the sun revolved around the earth, and that it was flat, and…” nonsense people like to trout out. Meanwhile, I’m just sitting there screaming, “yes, but we don’t believe that now, and why is that? SCIENCE!”

    I don’t remember any scientist of any renown promoting either of those.  Sure, most of the very early people who worked with science, after the ancient Greeks, were trained in religious institutions, because those were the only places to get a decent education, at the point.  He seems to be saying that because a lot of the people in those institutions were religious people who believed stuff like that, the more scientifically-minded people discovered those things with their scientific examinations.

    I know it’s a TV show, and a lot of the writers were probably new-age woo types, but damn.

  15. Conversion Tube says

    Was that one caller Zephrame not Blake Giunta disguised? About the third caller or so, near the beginning.

    If it is him why is he disguising himself after having a public debate with Matt. Does he want his public persona to be considered too elite in apologetics to lower his standards of calling a debate show like this?

    Like imagine WLC calling in.

    Of course all of this is irrelevant if its not Blake. But it sure as hell sounds like him.

  16. Kudlak says

    Being a life-long comics fan I also liked the Kid Flash reference, although Batman is DC comics voice of atheism. I particularly like his discussions on the matter with Wonder Woman who, of course, believes in the ancient Greek gods, and even became the goddess of Truth herself for a while. Easy for her, Batman points out, because she can talk and even beat some of them up. Who needs faith when you can do that, eh?

  17. Kilgore Trout says

    I liked the high quality video and audio, especially the excellent caller’s audio during the show from the new studio. This is vastly superior to the old studio. Please don’t go back! I also enjoyed how Jeff kept the callers moving right along and didn’t get stuck on any one caller the way other hosts almost always do. Thank you Jeff! I wish Jeff could host more often, he’s a very good host.

  18. Se'Kara says

    If I were a christian, I’d want Joe to explain to me why I was mistaken.

    I’d forgotten how calming his voice is.

  19. says

    Being a (web)comic artist myself I try to keep up with whatever superhero movies and shows come out, so I watch a lot of them. If I remember correctly, both Young Justice and Ultimate Spider-Man had that very similar storyline, only with USM it was about Dr Strange.
    And I remember thinking about it while watching one of the previous episodes, where Russell was talking about straw man representation of skeptics.
    I could even live with how all other characters become hostile towards the skeptical one (what is wrong with you? why can’t you just believe the floating guy in a cape whatever he says?), if not for the fact that the conversion of the skeptic was, I think in both cases, required to resolve the problem of the episode. In other words, they have to start believing in magic to defeat the bad guy.

    And Young Justice is otherwise a very good show, in my opinion.

    A show that, as far as I can recall, handled the topic pretty well, was Justice League (Unlimited). They had skeptical/atheist characters, mainly Hawkgirl, but never got them to be stubborn like “there is no magic!” in a world where magic obviously exists (whether the label is applied to a specific form of science is a separate issue).
    They also had the only “christmas episode” I can think of that I actually like, where each character would just spend time relaxing in their own way, some more religious/traditional, some just took a day off and had fun.

  20. Tudor says

    Dont worry about not beeig in the public acces studio, the video is great as always and you are not loosing much. I have been wathching your show on youtube for years from Romania and nothing will change. My oppinion is the most of your viewers will still be with you no matter what media you use.

  21. Narf says

    @Tudor
    Well, yeah, their audience online is far larger than their audience on local public-access.  They greatly prefer local Austin calls and prioritize those, but they don’t get many of those, anymore.  Going to online-only won’t have a huge impact on the show, aside from financial, I imagine.

    As for video quality … yeah, modern HD cameras have brought the price of professional-level recording down to ridiculously cheap prices.  A $400 – $600 (1,600 – 2,400 Leu) video camera will serve most professional videographers perfectly well, maybe $1,000 – $1,200 (4,000 – 4,800 Leu), if you want to go nuts.  Of course there are other costs, like microphones and lighting, if you want to have a much more professional production-quality, but that’s only about another $400 or so, give or take a bit.

    Really, the computer equipment and sound-mixing equipment that they use probably costs a couple times more than the actual recording equipment.