Jul 14 2013

How big is the Universe?

We who know a little bit of science know how big the universe is. The video above is not for the people who already know about the size of the universe, but for the people who believe in the Holy Bible, in the Holy Quran, and other sacred texts that have numerous scientific errors.


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    Al Dente

    Hubble Extreme Deepfield. Some of the smudges in this picture are galaxies almost at the edge of the observable universe. The Hubble Space Telescope was aimed at an apparently empty piece of sky 1/70th the size of the full Moon and the CCD was exposed for a million seconds (about 13-1/2 days). It’s estimated there are 10,000 galaxies in this picture.

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    The Flat-Earth Bible The writers of the Bible weren’t very interested in cosmology, so one has to deduce what they believed from off-hand remarks. However, 1 Enoch, a book from about 100 BCE that did not make the canonical cut, goes into a lot of detail. The Earth is shaped like a disk, with the sky a bowl overhead. Stars move on the inside of that bowl, rising and setting through doors in its base. They go from setting doors to rising ones. There is a jail for stars that dawdle.

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    Which Universe do you want to measure? Single or multi dimensional? Observable or non observable? Known or unknown?

    It is obvious that with present knowledge , it is impossible, or ever be possible.

    Cosmology of Bible & Quran is written by the illiterate & for the .illiterate, wont touch with a barge-pole.

    Curious you have not mentioned Hindu cosmology. You have to be familiar with, to feel the depth and understanding of their astounding observation (right or wrong) which was done before telescope/ Hubble/ NASA . Simply mind-blowing.

    “The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths.

    It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology.

    Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still.”

    There is the deep and appealing notion that the universe is but the dream of the god who, after a Brahma years, dissolves himself into a dreamless sleep. The universe dissolves with him – until, after another Brahma century, he stirs, recomposes himself and begins again to dream the great cosmic dream.”

    Sagan continues, “A millennium before Europeans were wiling to divest themselves of the Biblical idea that the world was a few thousand years old, the Mayans were thinking of millions and the Hindus billions”.- CARL SAGAN

    I have used the supercomputer ’Titan ’ and the measurement is:

    - Decillions of decillions of decillions of cubic light years-

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      Taslima Nasreen

      Click on the sacred texts.

      1. Agni_B

        Nirmuhkto – self appointed Indian ‘Atheist Tliban’, are not qualified to discount Carl Sagan, Astrophysicist ,Pulitzer Prize-winning author and his endorsement of Vedic cosmology.

        They are psychotic delinquent’-‘copy & paste Bloggist , not part of the established scientific community. ‘Dogmatically confident ‘Darwin Rottweiler’ happy to deface any Indian feat – not worthy of any significance. They believe they are certified genius- arrogance at its pinnacle

        No one can be 100% certain about any thing on science or cosmology but Comparing all the other faiths Indian Vedic account is more palatable and magnetized the world scientific communities attention :
        ““When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous”. Einstein

        “I have made the Bhagavad Gita as the main source of my inspiration and guide for the purpose of scientific investigations and formation of my theories”. Einstein
        “After the conversations and discussions about the Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of recent Quantum Physics theories that had seemed so crazy to me suddenly made much more sense and understandable W.Heisenberg,

        “To the philosophers of India, however, Relativity is no new discovery, just as the concept of light years is no matter for astonishment to people used to thinking of time in millions of kalpas, ( A kalpa is about 4,320,000 years). The fact that the wise men of India have not been concerned with technological applications of this knowledge arises from the circumstance that technology is but one of innumerable ways of applying it.”Alan Watts,

        Temporal notions in Europe were overturned by an India rooted in eternity. The Bible had been the yardstick for measuring time, but the infinitely vast time cycles of India suggested that the world was much older than anything the Bible spoke of. It seem as if the Indian mind was better prepared for the chronological mutations of Darwinian evolution and astrophysics.” Guy Sorman,

        ”Hindu calculation of the present age of the earth and the expanding universe with such astonished precision would make any man spellbound “Professor Holmes **

        I am continually astonished, with having no expertise in astrophysics, yet ‘Nirmukhtu’ discusses these in great length and seems to rejoice undermining any Indian accomplishment.

        This fundamentalist atheists are in fact guilty of unreflective, unquestioning dogmatism in their belief that they are always right . So delusional that they assume Santa’s workshop is the source of all the toys in the world

        What makes atheists arrogant is that they absolutely know they’re right. If they didn’t,
        they’d be agnostic

        ‘Be wise enough to know that we knew nothing’

        1. Taslima Nasreen

          Agni, you are angry. You are cursing nirmukta, but not proving them wrong. You quoted some great men without mentioning the sources. They mean nothing to me. You are showing you are arrogant, not nirmukta, and you absolutely know that you are right. BTW, what kind of telescopes ancient Vedic people used to explore the universe? Or do you really believe they are all divine?

          1. Agni_B

            It seems you have not comprehended my comment- .

            I have not produced any scientific document, so being right /wrong does not arise
            How do u know the contents of the Nirmukhta document scientifically correct and have you searched any other sources for verification?

            As it stands-Vedic cosmology is endorsed by brilliant scientist of the world, including astrophysicist Carl Sagan. No certification from ‘Nirmukhta or any atheist group is necessary.

            The quotes I have added – you can find it easily on line, I did not make it up.

            Angry? No, I keep my cool with Yoga. Cursing? No, I just being descriptive

        2. Nick Gotts

          What a load of ignorant drivel. I’d bet any amount that you can’t tell me where and when Einstein made the remarks you attribute to him – because he never made them. You give no source for the Heisenberg quote. Alan Watts was an alcoholic fraud without the least scientific knowledge, and as for “Professor Holmes” – who is that? Googling the quote you attribute to Holmes, the only place it appears is in your comment.

          1. Agni_B

            If you happen to be an internet illiterate & ignorant of Einstein & others perception of Indian culture/science – is not my fret. It just confirm your deficiency

            Neither crucial nor I am bothered , to prove /justify anything , you have to discover it yourself , I am not prepared to offer you any free tutoring.

            . Intelligentsia can identify / relate to my comment

          2. dogfightwithdogma

            Agni B

            You are simply wrong. You are making a claim: specifically that Einstein made the remark you quoted. It is incumbent upon you to provide the source of this quote. Any person making a claim has the burden to demonstrate the truth of the claim. None of us here have any obligation to accept the accuracy of the quotes simply because you wrote them. For all we know you made them up. Or it could be you are quoting someone who made up the quote. It is your responsibility to provide the evidence that you or someone else did not fabricate the quote.

            I entered the quote into a Google search. Two of the websites that appeared call the quote into question. I suggest you read them. Then provide the source where Einstein actually wrote or said these words. And you do not get to quote someone who is claiming to quote Einstein. You must provide the actual source from Einstein’s writings or recordings of Einstein’s words in which he says what you say he said.

          3. Nick Gotts

            At this point, I feel confident in calling you a liar. I searched for all your quotes (except Watts, whose opinion on anything is worse than worthless), and produced the results I found. You do not provide sources for your Einstein quotes, or identify “Professor Holmes”, because you can’t.

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    The the narrator was doing an excellent job of explaining the cosmic expansion until he said that every three seconds we receive light from objects that are currently beyond our observational horizon, thus implying that our observational horizon is increasing. The comment implies that with time we will see farther and farther into space and observe objects that are now not visible. This is incorrect. The more distant an object is from us (beyond our own galaxy), the greater the velocity with which it is moving away from us because of the expansion of the universe. (NOTE: It is important to note that the galaxies themselves are not moving away from us because of any velocity they have in space. Rather their growing distance from us is because the space in which they are embedded is expanding. An analogy is the growing distance between raisins in a loaf of raisin bread as it is baking.) Astronomers are quite certain that there is a distance from us beyond which the universe is expanding at a rate faster than the speed of light. Thus there are objects that are now and forever will be beyond our ability to view them. The light from these objects will never reach us. Cosmologists are also fairly certain that because of the expansion of the universe, less and less of the universe will be observable to us as the expansion continues. We should also note that the rate of expansion is not constant but is accelerating, a discovery made in the 1990s that was an enormous unexpected surprise to cosmologists. A time at least some hundreds of billions of years in the future the only objects that will be observable to us will be the objects in our galaxy and possibly those galaxies that are part of the galaxy cluster to which we belong. Everything else will have receded beyond our observational horizon. So while the first part of the video is very good and accurate the part about us seeing more and more distant objects as time goes by is either incorrect or very misleading. Here is a link that explains this: http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=575.

    1. 4.1

      What precisely you are trying to prove /disprove?

      *Einstein quote don’t exist or Indian did not invent ZERO?

      *Nirmukhta (copy& paste ) article is correct and Carl Sagan’s inaccurate?

      *Indian did not have a clue about science/cosmology?

      You are not eligible or have any clout to assert if I am right or wrong,. ‘Nirmukhta’ and you + worshippers are not astrophysicist or mathematician to understand Vedic /Einstein mathematical principle of cosmology .

      What gives you + that superfluous air of superiority? Amazing self delusion of pomposity

      1. Taslima Nasreen

        Agni, you are talking like an eight and a half year old child here. You should know that Free Thought Blogs readers are highly intellectuals, many of them are scientists. You just can not fool them by some made up quotes. They have read Einstein and the works of other scientists and philosophers more than you can imagine. So please argue like an adult. You have to give authentic sources whenever you quote people. We do it here to prove our points. Nobody is putting India down, but you are so desperately trying to prove that ancient Indians have been the best cosmologists of all time. You should know that modern cosmologists have much more knowledge than ancient cosmologists. The equipment they use for their research were not available in ancient times.

        You have now come up with zero. Nobody is saying Indians did not invent zero. India’s invention of zero does not prove that ancient Indians knew about the universe better than today’s scientists.

        1. Agni_B

          Your response like a thump sucking little girl , breaking into a sweat cause she
          cant find her ‘dummy‘. It seems you are obsessed with your self righteousness.

          * Where is the proof that ‘Nirmukhto‘ article is accurate and they have the requisite scientific background to negate Carl Sagan?

          “Free thought – highly intellectual- scientist” – all emotive words , in plain English just bullshit. It is just your opinion ,does not sway with me .

          You have not proved any points just desperate attempt to defend your atheist horde. Free thought blog?- thought is designed to process information- never free- you are hallucinating.

          Many articles exist from various sources , appreciating India’s Science/Cosmology but you happen to chose ‘Nirmukhto’ without any reservation ,almost like religious obligation – inconceivable naivety. why didn’t u add another article which gives a non biased approach to Vedic cosmology to be unbiased?

          scientific ‘facts’ being proved wrong with the passing of time. The theory is not correct in all circumstances – but it was the best theory with all the evidence known at that time.

          Read my first comment :
          1)“You have to be familiar with, to feel the depth and understanding of their astounding observation (right or wrong) which was done before telescope/ Hubble/ NASA . Simply mind-blowing.”

          2)“It is obvious that with present knowledge , it is impossible, or ever be possible“.

          Carl Sagan- “The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology”

          Does Carl Sagan , prominent astrophysicist, well respected by world SC. community needs approval from tin pot ‘Nirmukhto’ nobody? Audacity of arrogance!

          Read ,understand evaluate, and then comment like a rational adult.

          We are so vain and arrogant to think something is not worthwhile if it is beyond the realm of our limited understanding

      2. dogfightwithdogma

        First, to which post is this reply aimed. You posted this comment under my post about the error in the video concerning the expansion of the universe. But it sounds as though it is a reply to my comments about the Einstein quote. I’ll assume the latter.

        Secondly, I am not attempting to prove or disprove anything. My post was an argument that you have an obligation to provide evidence that the Einstein quote is authentic and not just simply made up by someone. The two websites to which I linked provide pretty convincing argument that Einstein likely never uttered the words you say he did. Again, you must provide evidence, which we can check and verify, that Einstein said what you claim. Furthermore, you must provide evidence that Carl Sagan endorsed Vedic cosmology. Saying he did without providing a reference that we can check is just an assertion, one that can be dismissed with as much evidence and argument as was offered in its defense, which amounted to zero.

        Third, I have no idea why you mention the invention of the zero, given that I never mentioned anything about the invention of the zero in my post. The invention of the zero is completely irrelevant to the current topic under discussion.

        I said nothing about the Nirmukhta article being correct or incorrect. I frankly don’t know to what Nirmukhta article you are referring. If Carl Sagan endorsed, as you say he did, Vedic cosmology, I have no way of knowing this from what you said. You provided no evidence for this assertion. Direct me to the book or item written by Sagan in which he said this. And don’t direct me to the website of someone quoting Carl Sagan. Provide the title of the book or paper, with page reference where Carl Sagan made a comment endorsing Vedic cosmology. Until you do this, I simply reject your assertion that he did as you claim he did.

        I never said that ancient Indian culture had no clue about what today we call science and cosmology. I’m sure that like most other ancient cultures ancient Indians also developed a pre-scientific cosmology. I strongly doubt that that ancient Indian cosmology, however, does any better a job than any other ancient cosmology of explaining the actual history and workings of the universe. Science has pretty much consigned all ancient cosmologies to the trash heap of mythology. Science has pretty much made all ancient cosmologies irrelevant.

        Eligibility is not a requirement for commenting on the remarks made by anyone posting at this site. I have no idea what clout has to do with it either. I don’t need clout to point out what appears to be intellectual bullshit when I read it.

        You are a pompous twit to assert, without knowing anything at all about me or my educational background, that I can’t possibly understand what the hell you are talking about unless I am an astrophysicist or mathematician. Furthermore, you don’t even explain this so-called Vedic/Einstein mathematical principle of cosmology. I teach science, including physics and astronomy. I’ve never seen this so-called principle in any science texts or peer-reviewed scientific journals. Frankly, it sounds like pseudoscientific nonsense.

        As for delusion, you should take a long reflective look in the metaphorical mirror. Everything you’ve said thus far indicates that all the delusion talk in this conversation is coming from you.

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    1. 5.1

      It is even worse

      Did not realize you have not read all the comments

      Please see if u can relate to my few remarks

      1. dogfightwithdogma

        I have read everyone of your comments. They are all irrational ramblings filled with nonsense, unsubstantiated claims and assertions, and muddled flapdoodle. Taslima said you sound more like an eight-year old. After reading your latest post, I’d say that even an eight-year old sounds more coherent and rational than you have thus far.

        You continue to refuse to offer source citations for the quotes from Einstein and Sagan. This continued refusal to do so, along with the muddled content and incoherence of your comments, demonstrates a complete failure on your part to engage in rational and logical dialogue. So until you provide the requested information, this is the last time I shall respond to your childish postings. Engaging with you has now become intellectually boring.

        1. Agni_B

          Feeling is mutual. ‘
          ‘birds of a feather flock together’

          Dazed pretentious atheist horde cant hoodwink forever, eventually get caught with their
          pants down

          Everyone is good at something, and there is always someone can be better than you at
          whatever you are good at

          “whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of the truth & knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods”

          This so called ‘Free thought’ atheist blog is nothing but Valium-soaked frat .

          Dogfighting? You just protecting you own Dogma- pretentious people never disappoint me.

          Nothing was intellectual- it was just plain boring with you

          1. Nick Gotts

            Everyone is good at something

            In your case, bullshitting.

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    Carl Sagan talked about the indian cosmological idea of time as part of his TV series on Cosmos:


    Note that he acknowledges that indian cosmology mentions time units which are in line with modern scientific cosmology..

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