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Jun 08 2013

And now more whistleblowing

As promised, Glenn Greenwald has received more leaks from whistleblowers. The latest is that president Obama has issued a directive ordering his agencies to draw up a list of targets for cyberattacks all over the globe. You can see the leaked presidential directive here.

The directive’s publication comes as the president plans to confront his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping at a summit in California on Friday over alleged Chinese attacks on western targets.

Even before the publication of the directive, Beijing had hit back against US criticism, with a senior official claiming to have “mountains of data” on American cyber-attacks he claimed were every bit as serious as those China was accused of having carried out against the US.

Provided anonymity to speak critically about classified practices, the source said: “We hack everyone everywhere. We like to make a distinction between us and the others. But we are in almost every country in the world.”

The US likes to haul China before the international court of public opinion for “doing what we do every day”, the source added.

It looks like the Obama administration’s war on whistleblowers is not only failing to deter them, they are being emboldened to leak more, making public its hypocrisy.

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  1. 1
    slc1

    Ah gee, the US and Israel launched cyber attacks against Iran’ s nuclear weapons program (Stutnet), which I guess is naughty according to Glenn Greenwald, first class two fisted Israel basher. Better to allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons, the better to wipe out Israel.

  2. 2
    trucreep

    Take the blinders off your eyes slc1, well-reasoned and tempered discourse will always trump your way of “contributing” to a discussion.

  3. 3
    Marcus Ranum

    It’s all always about Israel, for you, isn’t it??? You ever wonder if you sound a bit monomaniacal? Because – hint: you do.

  4. 4
    slc1

    Israel uber alles.

  5. 5
    Mano Singham

    Even over the US?

  6. 6
    abusedbypenguins

    Do the Chinese have better hackers? Maybe the us government has pissed of just too many citizens to get good hackers to work for them rather than against.

  7. 7
    Aliasalpha

    It’d be an amusing irony if they originally outsourced the hacking jobs to china

  8. 8
    slc1

    of course.

  9. 9
    Mano Singham

    So if Israel and the US were to ever go to war, you would fight for Israel against the US?

  10. 10
    slc1

    The US is as likely to go to war against Israel as we are against Canada. I don’t believe in responding to hypotheticals that unlikely.

  11. 11
    Marcus Ranum

    Why?

  12. 12
    psweet

    This sort of thing always amuses me. Of course, we’re practicing cyber attacks, just as of course, we’re practicing espionage against other countries. What astonishes me is how surprised everyone acts when they find out that we (or anyone else, for that matter) is doing so.

    It’s worth remembering that the title for that new documentary about Wikileaks, “We Steal Secrets”, was a direct quote, not from Julian Assange, but from the head of the CIA — in front of Congress.

  13. 13
    Mano Singham

    That’s evading the question, isn’t it? And it is hardly an unthinkable hypothetical. The US has shown that it is willing and capable of going to war against any country if it serves its own interests. Even Canada is not out of the question.

    Since you say that you place Israel over the US, why do you shy from the consequences of that higher allegiance?

  14. 14
    slc1

    I would prefer to go to war against Sri Lanka which would be a much easier opponent. Since Israel has nuclear weapons, and the Jericho 3 missile has a range in excess of 4000 miles, which put the East Coast of the US within range, they might do us considerable damage. By the way, Prof. Singham should note that we don’t go to war against nations having nuclear weapons so I guess that Canada is more likely then Israel.

  15. 15
    slc1

    To get back from highly unlikely scenarios, there is a serious question here as to the appropriateness of cyber attacks on perceived enemies. Apparently, Prof. Singham thinks that such attacks aren’t kosher. How does he feel about the Stuxnet attack on Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program, which apparently set it back a considerable time?

  16. 16
    Mano Singham

    Still evading the question, I see.

  17. 17
    Mano Singham

    I thought it was pretty clear that I was opposed to the Stuxnet attack. There, I have answered your question.

    Why are you still evading mine: Since you say your allegiance to Israel is greater than your allegiance to the US, does that mean that if Israel and the US were to ever go to war, you would fight for Israel against the US?

  18. 18
    slc1

    At my age, I wouldn’t be in a position to fight for anybody. And since the US doesn’t go to war against other nuclear powers, we ain’t going to war against Israel. Therefore, Prof. Singham’s query is irrelevant.

    So Prof. Singham didn’t like Stuxnet. Apparently, then, he either believes that the US should allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons or he favors a military response.

  19. 19
    Mano Singham

    I think the US has no business deciding which country can have nuclear weapons and which can’t. If Israel can have them, then why not Iran?

    It is also glaringly obvious that you are ducking a straightforward question. I wonder why?

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