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Jun 14 2013

“We’re Scared of Mikey Weinstein” Amendment Passes in House

From the website of Congressman Tim Huelskamp (R-KS):

June 13, 2013

House passes Huelskamp Amendment and Rebukes Anti-Christian Zealot Mikey Weinstein

WASHINGTON, D.C. – By voice vote this afternoon, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the amendment of Congressman Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas) to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of FY2014. This amendment will require the Department of Defense (DoD) to inform Congress whenever its employees meet with outside individuals regarding military policy related to religious liberty.

The objective is to at least expose, and possibly deter, future meetings between Pentagon officials and Mikey Weinstein, the founder and president of the inaptly named Military Religious Freedom Foundation. In April, The Washington Postpublished the shocking revelation that several Generals and Pentagon officials actually consulted Mr. Weinstein for assistance in formulating Air Force policies concerning “religious tolerance.”

 

Text of Huelskamp’s amendment (seriously, this is for real):

1 SEC. 5__. MEETINGS WITH RESPECT TO RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.

 (a) NOTICE.— (1) IN GENERAL.—The Department of Defense shall provide to the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate advance written notice of any meeting to be held between Department employees and civilians for the purpose of writing, revising, issuing, implementing, enforcing, or seeking advice, input, or counsel regarding military policy related to religious liberty. (2) CONTENTS OF NOTICE.—Notice provided under paragraph (1) shall include information on the time, date, location, and anticipated attendees of the meeting and information on who initiated the meeting. (3) VERBAL NOTICE.—If a meeting to which this subsection applies is scheduled less than 24 hours in advance of the meeting, the notice requirement under paragraph (1) may be satisfied by a phone call if Committee staff provide verbal confirmation of receipt of the notice.

(b) REPORTS.— Not later than 72 hours after the conclusion of a meeting to which subsection (a) applies, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate a report on the meeting, which shall include information on the time, date, location, duration, and attendees of the meeting and information on who initiated the meeting.

 

According to Huelskamp:

The vile and vulgar pabulum Mikey Weinstein spews would fill volumes.  Those unfamiliar with his litany may wish to peruse the examples below.

  1. Weinstein has declared war on millions of Christians, saying on tape: “We are at war with a sub-set of evangelical Christianity…how many? Roughly 12.6% of the American public or 38 million people.” persuade.tv/MikeyAtWar.mp3
  2. Weinstein reportedly told one interviewer: “The biggest crime I accuse the religious right of and it’s a blood libel, a crime against humanity is torturing that concept…My response is: F**k you. F**k you. How dare you?”www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  3. Weinstein routinely threatens violence, reportedly saying “When I see anti-Semitism, I don’t f**king care if I live or die, someone’s going to get a f**king beating.” newhumanist.org.uk/1681
  4. Weinstein reportedly demanded the Army court-martial its Chief of Chaplains for announcing an interfaith day of prayer: “The Military Religious Freedom Foundation [MRFF] sought Maj. Gen. Douglas Carver’s ouster on the day Carver designated for prayer and fasting for chaplains…Foundation President Mikey Weinstein…alleging widespread religious discrimination within the military called Wednesday for the Army to court martial its chief of chaplains…” www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/ap_ouster.html
  5. Weinstein reportedly hires eight different law firms and five PR agencies to wage his war against Christians, saying “It’s time to stop doing nothing…I’m now going to lay down in a withering field of fire, kick ass, take names and leave sucking chest wounds…We are at war, I agree with my friend…We are at war.” www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  6. Weinstein reportedly described his anti-Christian organization MRFF: “We are a weapon. We’re a militant organization. Our job is to kick ass, take names, lay down a withering field of fire, and leave sucking chest wounds on this unconstitutional heart of darkness, if you will, this imperious fascistic contagion of unconstitutional triumphalism.”www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/jewsingreen_haleyized.html
  7. Weinstein targets evangelical Christian chaplains, reportedly saying: “Either you stay quiet and let the evangelical chaplains shape a generation of the most powerful instrument of death the world has ever known into an army for Jesus, or you speak up. I couldn’t stay quiet…today we face a new danger; the rise of the ‘fundamentalist Christian, parachurch, military corporate proselytizing complex.’” www.moaablogs.org/battleofthebilge/2009/07/mikeyvsgoliath
  8. Weinstein reportedly threatened violence to a former Navy Chaplain, saying “I would like to beat the s**t out of him in a boxing ring or in an alley behind a Safeway.” Mikey later sued (and failed) to stop the Chaplain from publicly praying the Psalms to God. christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2010/06/03/weinstein-fails-to-intimidate-with-lawsuit-military-complaint
  9. Weinstein is now being sued for defamation by that same chaplain, who is accepting donations to the “Sue Mikey Weinstein Fund.” www.prayinjesusname.org/2012/12/chaplain-sues-mikey-weinstein-original-documents
  10. Weinstein reportedly denigrates Pentecostal Christians, saying “Our Pentagon has been turned into a Pentacostalgon, and our department of defense has been turned into an imperious, vicioustic, contagion of unconstitutional triumphalism by people that want to kill us, or have their version of Jesus kill us, if we don’t accept their Biblical worldview.”www.examiner.com/article/military-religious-freedom-foundation-complains-about-franklin-graham
  11. Weinstein labels Bible-believing Christians as monsters, writing that “those evil, fundamentalist Christian creatures and their spiritual heirs have taken refuge behind flimsy, well-worn, gauze-like euphemistic facades such as ‘family values’ and ‘religious liberty.’” www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
  12. Weinstein reportedly said: “General Petraeus has, by his own hand, become a quintessential poster child of this fundamentalist Christian religious predation, via his unadulterated and shocking public endorsement of a book touting both Christian supremacy and exceptionalism…Petraeus’s immediate dismissal and trial by General Courts-Martial under Article 134 is not merely warranted but demanded!” christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2010/07/09/mcchrystal-petraeus-replacement-hurts-us-muslim-relations
  13. Weinstein reportedly called Sarah Palin a “virulently homophobic, virulently misogynistic, virulently anti-Semitic and Islamophobic… premillennial, dispensational, reconstructionist, dominionist, evangelical, fundamentalist Christian.”christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2010/03/05/weinstein-defines-religions-assigns-followers
  14. Weinstein reportedly believes Bible-believing Christians are like the Taliban, saying “Basically what we’re facing are Fundamentalist, Dominionist Christians that are preying — P-R-A-Y and P-R-E-Y — on non-Fundamentalist Christians including in many respects other evangelical Christians that are just not fundamentalist Christians, telling them that, ‘you may think you were Christian enough for us but you’re not. And as a result, you will burn eternally in the fires of Hell along with the Jews.’” www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18334.htm
  15. Weinstein reportedly makes anti-Semitic comments against Jews: “They’re bad. That includes our folks, the Orthodox, the others…The JWV has no spine. I’ve been completely depressed. They haven’t reached out at all, they seem to have absolutely no balls whatsoever. Somehow I think they and the ADL, Abe Foxman, have confused circumcision with castration. I don’t see any balls at all from any of them, so my response is ‘go back to collecting your dues.’”www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/jewsingreen_haleyized.html
  16. Weinstein reportedly blames evangelical Christians for the Holocaust, saying “I’m not just talking about the Holocaust or the Inquisition or the four Crusades, I’m not just talking about the Black Plague; it’s the transition from Plan A to Plan B. In Plan A, evangelical Christians with a smile on their face will ask you to please, please, please accept their biblical worldview of Jesus. The problem with that is, inevitably, Plan A morphs into Plan B. They stop asking so nicely, and then you have the Holocaust, the pogroms, the Inquisition…” www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  17. Weinstein reportedly believes religious people may not wear a military uniform: “Whatever religious belief you have Judaism, Christian, agnostic, et cetera wear whatever clothes you want, you just can’t wear Uncle Sam’s clothes. What is so hard to understand about this?” www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  18. Weinstein reportedly was asked if he wants to ban people from saying “God bless you” when someone sneezes, and replied: “If standing up for the Constitution makes you a godless secular leftist or an arch secularist, well, like I’ve said before, gee, you say that like it’s a bad thing.” www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  19. Weinstein labels evangelical Christians as terrorists, reportedly saying “We are facing a national security threat in this country that is every bit as significant in magnitude, width and breadth internally as that presented externally by the now-resurgent Taliban and al-Qaeda…We are facing an absolute fundamentalist Christianisation – a Talibanisation – of the US Marine Corps, Army, Navy, and Air Force.” newhumanist.org.uk/1681
  20. Weinstein reportedly labels many popular Christian fellowship groups the “draconian spectre of command influence to push this weaponised Gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s very digital, one and zero. Either you accept our view, or either we or our version of Jesus will have to kill you, and our version of Jesus will light you up on fire for Eternity, so you’re really gonna be dead.” rationalist.org.uk/articles/1681/backward-christian-soldiers
  21. Weinstein reportedly despises Christians who support Jews in Israel, reportedly saying: “They love us to death. Literally that. They’ve got to place us in Israel. They’ve got to make sure there’s Israeli hegemony over as much as of the Middle East as possible. They have so much to do… ‘We love you Jews. We love you Jews.’ (claps hands) ‘Places everyone, all the Jews go to Israel. We gotta strengthen Israel.’… Supportive of Israel and Judaism for their own twisted agenda, eh? That’s f**ked up, bigtime!” www.jewsingreen.com/2007/08/an-interview-with-mikey-weinstein
  22. Weinstein reportedly calls evangelicals in the military “a virulently dominionist, fundamentalist evangelical Christian element within the Pentagon. They would prefer this to be the ‘Pentecostalgon,’ not the Pentagon…. they don’t have the mental wherewithal to understand that to a person who isn’t an evangelical Christian, you’re calling our faith a cancer.”www.salon.com/2006/12/13/weinstein_3
  23. Weinstein reportedly believes “evangelicals are trying to turn his beloved military into a ‘frickin’ faith-based initiative.’ These people should be court-martialed.” www.salon.com/2006/12/13/weinstein_3
  24. Weinstein reportedly believes a Jewish chaplain should be court-martialed. Concerning a Messianic Jewish chaplain who may have intercepted materials intended for an Orthodox Soldier while deployed to Iraq, Mikey reportedly said “that chaplain should be immediately court martialed. He should be f**king court martialed. I’m speaking as a JAG… Charges should be referred against him immediately for a general court martial.” www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/jewsingreen_haleyized.html
  25. Weinstein routinely compares evangelical Christians to terrorists, reportedly saying “It’s a fundamentalist Christian-Constitution fight…This represents a perfect, quintessential example of the fact that our United States military has become infused, essentially, with the Christian mirror image of the type of Islam that is pushed by al-Qaida and the Taliban.”www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/ap_ouster.html

 

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  1. 1
    Trebuchet

    So did they actually include that list of all the great stuff Mikey does in the bill?

  2. 2
    tubi

    Yeah, that reads more like a “Kudos to Mikey” sense of the House type thing.

  3. 3
    marcus

    Mikey Weinstein you atheist scum! Well done!

  4. 4
    yoav

    (a) NOTICE.— (1) IN GENERAL.—The Department of Defense shall provide to the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate advance written notice of any meeting to be held between Department employees and civilians for the purpose of writing, revising, issuing, implementing, enforcing, or seeking advice, input, or counsel regarding military policy related to religious liberty.

    Does that mean they now have to give notice whenever they meet with christians fundies to plan some mandatory prayer event or does the amendment exempt cases when the meeting involves an attempt to limit religious liberty.

  5. 5
    blorf

    I’m with yoav, if this crap passes Mikey *must* use it to prosecute any time they meet with civilian fundies!

  6. 6
    patricksimons

    This is reminiscent of the rhetoric coming out of Islamic countries regarding Salmon Rushdie’s “Satanic Verses” about twenty years ago. Judge a man’s grasp of a subject by how angry he gets when someone challenges him.

  7. 7
    iknklast

    That does it. Now my freethought donation next month has to go to MRFF. I knew Mikey was great; now they’ve given me a list of just how great he really is, I have to get even more behind him. (By the way, if he ran for president, I’d vote for him, and I’m not a Republican!)

  8. 8
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    So what number Public Enemy is he now?

  9. 9
    ottod

    “..well, like I’ve said before, gee, you say that like it’s a bad thing.”

  10. 10
    steve84

    If it passes in the Senate sue them for having issued a bill of attainder.

  11. 11
    Barefoot Bree

    I’m intrigued. They want Congress to be notified after the meeting about “the time, date, location, duration, and attendees of the meeting and information on who initiated the meeting.”

    Uh, what about, you know, the content? You know, what was said? Maybe even by whom? And whether any agreements were reached, or something? Seems to me that if one wishes to police such meetings, that information about the content is as important, if not more, than the time, location, and duration.

    Or am I missing something?

  12. 12
    marshalldoc

    So, I’m confused. After listing all of Mikey’s accomplishments he then acts as though he’s done something wrong…

    On a more serious tack, the degree to which they’re outraged and attempting to try more & more desperate means of subverting the MRFF’s goals & achievements is a direct measure of both MRFF’s successes and of the dominionists’ fear of loosing power & influence. With luck, their power & influence will dwindle to zero and their true lard & mistress, being hugely displeased, will cause them to all vanish in a cloud of sulfurous fumes… (kind of like those Bush left at the U.S. the day before Hugo Chavez address them)!

  13. 13
    abusedbypenguins

    Having congress pass a bill is better than being on nixon’s hate list.

  14. 14
    Gvlgeologist, FCD

    And the odds of this being passed by the senate and signed by Obama are about as big as the repeal of ACA being passed by the senate and signed by Obama.

  15. 15
    dan4

    How can anyone defend Weinstein after those list of quotes? He belongs in a padded cell, not in a meeting “with Generals and Pentagon officials.” He is pretty clearly mentally unbalanced.

  16. 16
    gfross

    @ dan4 I guess you don’t know Mikey very well, do you, Dan? I suggest that you read his books and get to know him better. Also, notice the sources from which the quotes were taken, and all of the times that the word “reportedly” was used. That should tell you something. I also suggest that you go to the following website: “Study Guide: problematic religious right quotes and arguments.” You will find it very informative.

  17. 17
    forestdragon

    Geez, an actual frickin’ amendment affecting all the armed forces of one country because of ONE PERSON? Damn, whatta bunch of chickenshits. Or on the other hand, good on you, Weinstein. Keep it up, you got ‘em scaaaaaared.

  18. 18
    lochaber

    dan4> care to point out which of those warrants being locked away and explain why?

    You do realize that most of those quotes are figurative speech, much of which are idioms that are quite common in the military, and furthermore, they are taken out of context.

    Otherwise, go back to whatever right wing idiot farm you stumbled out of.

    -Also, they seem to keep repeating the same handful of quotes (but can’t even keep the quote accurate “lay down a withering field of fire” vs. “lay down in a withering field of fire”

  19. 19
    dan4

    “…furthermore, they are taken out of context.”

    Ahem, care to point out which of those comments are taken out of context?

  20. 20
    yoav

    dan4

    Ahem, care to point out which of those comments are taken out of context?

    Let’s look at #24, which should be a no brainer, I’m sure you would have gone apeshit if a catholic chaplein would have intercepted religious literature intended for a fundigelical, and would, rightly, demand they were courtmartialed.

  21. 21
    dan4

    @19: My question @17 wasn’t directed at you…but putting that aside, Weinstein believes the chaplain should have been court-martialed for his behavior. Huelskamp obviously disagrees. Not sure what that has to do with anything “taken out of context.”

  22. 22
    lochaber

    Yeah, your question wasn’t directed at yoav.

    I’ll grant that my “… they are taken out of context.” wasn’t very specific. I probabaly should have threw a qualifier in there like “many”, or “most”. Sure, there are probably a couple that aren’t.

    Regardless of whether they were taken out of context or not, you are the one who threw out the blanket statement that he should be “…in a padded cell,…” – care to back that one up, or do you just want to nitpick about which ones may or may not be taken out of context. or maybe discuss the meaning of figurative speech?

    Just go away, you don’t have any valid point, or you would have made it already.

  23. 23
    Barefoot Bree

    @Dan4:

    That’s a pretty mixed bag of quotes. First off, I look at the source in the link for each one. Call me prejudiced, but “quotes” provided by ChristianFighterPilot.com and PrayInJesusName.com I just toss out immediately. I feel no need to even research how they’ve likely been twisted out of context, or possibly made up from whole cloth. HuffPo is also near enough to the bottom to not bother. That takes care of the most inflammatory ones.

    For the rest… I’m on Mikey’s side in the fight. I’ve been in the military or connected to it for most of my adult life. This is the kind of language used by military “warriors” when they’re not writing official communiques or regulations. So why shouldn’t Mikey use the same sort of language when fighting the attempted Evangelical takeover of the military?

    Finally, most of the last half aren’t really even inflammatory. They’re there to pad the list, and only further inflame those who were outraged by the ones at the top. Can you honestly say you read each one objectively? For an exercise, try reading the list bottom to top, slowly, one by one, and see if you still think all of them are equally padded-cell-worthy?

  24. 24
    Chris Rodda

    Mikey did say these things, but they are almost all taken out of context. The biggest thing that’s omitted is that all of his comments about Christians were only about the minority of Christians who are fundamentalists and dominionists. Mikey always makes it very clear that he is not talking about all Christians, but the dishonest “Christians” like Huelskamp remove this context and claim that Mikey is anti-Christian and that MRFF is an atheist organization that wants to rid the military of Christians. They know damn well that neither Mikey nor MRFF are anti-Christian. 96 percent of MRFF’s clients are actually Christians — Catholics and mainline Protestants who are not considered to be real Christians or Christian enough by the fundamentalists and dominionists in the military.

  25. 25
    thebookofdave

    I concur with @steve84 #10. This cartoonishly inept offensive against the separation of powers just happens to take the form of a personal attack on Mikey. I would love to be present at the court challenge, if only to witness the judge try to issue the ruling with a straight face.

  26. 26
    Karen Locke

    While it’s true that Mikey’s military roots make themselves heard in some of his unofficial communications, the mission of MRFF is to make the military a safe place for ALL worshipers along with those who don’t worship at all. His enemies are fundagelical Christians who are on a crusade for Jesus whether it’s discrimination against those not of their specific Christian persuasion, or attempts to prostletize in areas where we are at war with people who belong to a different majority religion. That isn’t appropriate in the U.S. military. Period.

  27. 27
    birgerjohansson

    I have a suggestion for Herr Kongressmann Huelskampff: Only Party-affiliated priests should be allowed to become chaplains. And belt buckles should carry the phrase “Gott Mit Uns”.

  28. 28
    paulburnett

    Doesn’t this amendment also cover all meetings etc. which deprive non-fundagelical military members of their religious liberty? It appears to me that it covers all planning meetings with fundagelical organizations whose on-base “events” deprive mainline Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims and atheists of their religious liberty. This could be a great thing!

  29. 29
    jamessweet

    Heh, well even in context, a lot of those quotes are um, ahem, a tad “undiplomatic” shall we say? A few of the ones I was surprised about, I clicked through to get the context. I will say that Mikey could probably be a little more effective if he dropped slightly fewer fucking F-bombs during interviews :D But nevertheless, the reason for the “undiplomatic” approach is pretty well summed-up by quote #6:

    We are a weapon. We’re a militant organization. Our job is to kick ass, take names, lay down a withering field of fire, and leave sucking chest wounds on this unconstitutional heart of darkness, if you will, this imperious fascistic contagion of unconstitutional triumphalism.

    Yeah, I mean, that’s what he’s trying to do, so… I get it. Are many of those quotes over-the-top, even in context? Yes. Some of them are unfair, some are vulgar, some are even a little violent (I didn’t care at all for #3, for example, but unfortunately the link is broken so I can’t get the context). That seems to be his shtick, for better or worse. It’s certainly no more inflammatory than some of what the mainstream folks on the “other side” are saying.

  30. 30
    Mike Morrison

    Wouldn’t such an amendment be considered “unconstitutional?” Because….you know…..the military is supposed to be answerable to the civilian population and all. THEY serve US. Therefore, for a Congressperson to attempt to pass a bill that denies the public direct access to speak with the military in meetings addressing specific concerns is directly unAmerican.

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