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Apr 24 2012

Women’s Prayer Group Praying That the Women at MRFF All Get Incurable Breast Cancer

Feel the Christian love. A women’s prayer group is praying that all the women at MRFF get incurable breast cancer. We just got this email, with the subject line “We Pray Christ Jesus to stop You.” These GCBs also phoned Mikey, I think on Saturday, and apparently thought it was rude of him to hang up on them.

“Mickey Wienstien, we called you on the weekend to advice you that our womens prayer circle at our church will be ending your wickedness against Christ Jesus and his anointed of the USA in our military. In America which is Jesus’ country we can pray all we want for anything we want. you hung up on us and were rude to our leader. but will that stop us or Christ Jesus? No it will not and never could have, wicked Mickey. Our prayer circle has never failed to acheive our hosts granting of the scripture we pray. for direct intervention against you as you are a true demon to America. Luke 9:1 We will not stop our prayers until you stop the evil you do with Lucifer on a daly basis. Luke 9:1 But not against you Mickey. We know by your internet site and your book who it is to be. Now for our prayer, we pray that the women who work in your MFRR and the women in your family will befall fast moving breast cancer which can not everbe cured. We pray this for Leah Bruton, and Becki Miller, Patricia Corigan, Chris Rodda, Edie Disler, Vicky Garrison, Kristin Leslie, Melinda Moeton and Joan Slish. And you evil clan too, we pray this for Bonnie Wiensten and Amanda and Amber Wienstein and the woman lawyers Cariline Mitchel and Katherin Ritchy and all women of all who work at with for Military Freedom Against Religon Foundation. know that we pray and pray hard all the days until you stop your destruction of our American army and accept Christ Jesus as Lord and join His army.”

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  1. 1
    doktorzoom

    Heh…the robo-ad is for “Christian Prayer Center: Post a Prayer Request. Thousands will pray for YOU”

  2. 2
    lewisthomason

    They forgot the eye of newt and the dried bat wings,so this isn’t going to work.

  3. 3
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    Dear Santa,

    Please give all women associated with Mickey Wienstien cancer.

    I will be good for a whole year and tidy my room if you get me it.

    Love,

    The Women’s Prayer Group, age 6 1/2

  4. 4
    dianne

    Now for our prayer, we pray that the women who work in your MFRR and the women in your family will befall fast moving breast cancer which can not ever be cured.

    My first thought was, “Why breast cancer? Breast cancer’s such an unreliable assassin. There are women out there who have had metastatic breast cancer for 25 years or more. Why not pancreatic cancer or some really deadly disease?” Then I saw the “and the women in your family” bit. The point being that they’re praying for a cancer that they believe affects women only* and they want it to occur to all the women in the prayed against one’s family. Not just the ones who are actively involved or even the ones who agree with the action they are against, but ALL the women in the family. Very Old Testament: someone offends you, kill their whole family!

    *Actually, men have breast tissue and get breast cancer too. They really should have gone with ovarian: nasty, frequently fatal, and exclusively female.

  5. 5
    cottonnero

    Chris, I’m surprised they spelled your name right. They got almost everyone else’s wrong.

    Do prayers count if they’re misspelled?

  6. 6
    amenhotepstein

    Christian slime, and barely literate slime at that.

    Keep up the good work, Mikey and Chris. Without you, people just like this will have free reign in our military.

  7. 7
    Ophelia Benson

    Ew!!!!!!!

    What horrible people. They want not just death but pain and misery. What foul loathsome hateful people.

    Can’t you name the group? They need to be shamed. (Note: not to die, not pain and misery; just shamed for their horrible “prayer.”)

  8. 8
    Ophelia Benson

    I don’t find this at all amusing. It disgusts me.

  9. 9
    Chris Rodda

    @ Ophelia … We don’t know the name of the group. They didn’t say in the email, and they blocked caller ID when they called Mikey.

  10. 10
    Gregory in Seattle

    Dear Jesus, save us from your followers. Amen.

  11. 11
    digitalatheist

    God, what a lovely group of people /puking-sarcasm-font>

    That has to be one of the sickest things I’ve heard of. Too bad their “god” ain’t real… maybe he would make all of them ask for forgiveness.

  12. 12
    Didaktylos

    “Swear not at all, for, for thy curse/Thine enemy is none the worse.”

  13. 13
    'Tis Himself

    Dear Women’s Prayer Group,

    Eat shit and bark at the Moon.

    Respectfully yours,
    An atheist whose wife is recovering from breast cancer

  14. 14
    bubba707

    Gee Chris, blocked caller ID and refused to name themselves? Doesn’t surprise me a bit. Like most such groups they’re not only vile and loathsome, they’re cowards.

  15. 15
    nonsense

    Okay, so it IS Jesus who’s giving everyone breast cancer. Got it.

  16. 16
    satcomguy

    Foul and loathsome indeed (and why are these people always so illiterate?)

    But do tell, what are “GCB’s”? I have my suspicions, but I would have replaced “G” with “F”….

  17. 17
    grumpyoldfart

    I think you’re getting your leg pulled.

  18. 18
    Ingdigo Jump

    I imagine they would find the response “go fuck yourself” unbelievably rude

  19. 19
    had3

    Their prayer group has never failed? I wonder if that means they prayed for Obama in 2008 and a Dem Senate in 2010? They seem awful liberal to me with those type of prayers.

  20. 20
    donaldmilliken

    @ grumpyoldfart

    Are you familiar with Poe’s Law? It’s an adage which states that unless accompanied by a clear indication or statement of intent, genuine statements of fanaticism/extremism are nearly indistinguishable from parody.

    In other words, you could be right but all we know for sure is that there are really people out there who think this way, whether or not these are genuine examples of them.

  21. 21
    geocatherder

    They Called Mikey on a weekend??? And he hung up on them? It wasn’t Mikey who was being rude…

    I was a good Catholic growing up (I’m an atheist now) and the notion of imprecatory (sp) prayer was never introduced to me. Turning the other cheek was. Repeatedly. These women are praying for cancer to strike others, and they call themselves Christians??? Hell, I hate to admit it, but sometimes the Catholic church *is* right.

  22. 22
    Stephanie Zvan

    Well, as long as they don’t write down their prayers, any god listening might have a chance of understanding what they’re asking for.

  23. 23
    roxannebrown

    Dear Women’s Prayer Group,

    Die in a fire, you ignorant, illiterate douchebags.

  24. 24
    Christoph Burschka

    Then I saw the “and the women in your family” bit. The point being that they’re praying for a cancer that they believe affects women only* and they want it to occur to all the women in the prayed against one’s family.

    But of course the conservatives aren’t at all waging a war on women.

  25. 25
    hiro

    @donaldmilliken

    Shields up, check. Ok hit the submit button…
    “Sir, incoming blasts…”

    Could be Poe’s Law but when something so perfectly designed to stoke our righteous indignation arrives it always leaves me wondering if it’s a setup. Pray for breast cancer plus the misspells…perfect representation of a christian we’d love to loath.

    Of course as planned or not planned, we get bothered by these despicable people and then we feel better because our non-theism has been reinforced once again.

    Maybe there are people that really think this way and act it out (through prayer) but I think something smells a bit.

    Question to former christians. Do any of you actually know someone this hateful? I don’t which is why I think it’s a bit fishy.

    Regards!

  26. 26
    watry

    @hiro

    I most certainly do. I call him ‘uncle’.

  27. 27
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    @hiro

    Love is only for christians, atheists can’t have love because love is god. Therefore the only thing left is hate. Checkmate, atheists!

  28. 28
    MikeMa

    As prayer has no value whatsoever, I do hope the wicked ladies spend a lot more time doing it. That way a lot less time can be devoted to actual evil.

  29. 29
    godlesspanther

    The first thing that I would note is that this is not an “us” or a “we” it is a single individual’s tantrum. Whoever it was Mikey hung up on — that’s who wrote this. Was it a conference call? I doubt it so he can only hang up on one person at a time. When she says “rude to our leader” I would say that she is referring to herself.

    One can also note that this person is very immature — childish. Sadly, this is not likely a kid but a mentally underdeveloped adult. Her lack of maturation is due to long-term heavy indoctrination.

    Reaction formation — we can see how she wants to portray herself as incredibly powerful — superhuman magical powers over the lives of others. In reality she feels very powerless and inadequate.

    Projection — why breast cancer? It’s likely that she has some reason to worry about getting breast cancer herself. Family history? Did she find a lump? Been diagnosed?

    More projection — “know that we pray and pray hard all the days until you stop your destruction of our American army and accept Christ Jesus as Lord and join His army.” Her conversion to xtianity probably followed a period of personal tragedy and desperation. She assumes that all others who suffer to the extent that she was will turn to Jesus as she did.

    Sad person.

  30. 30
    flakko

    Fucking lunatics. It saddens and horrifies me that people like this exist, and likely are more common than anyone cares to admit. It makes me double down on my support for Mikey and the MRFF, and also atheism in general. So way to go, lunatic women’s prayer group.

  31. 31
    anubisprime

    “wicked Mickey”

    Kewl’ t-shirt logo methinks!

    It is probably just one very disturbed and twisted jeebus clone!

    Youngish, lonely and very frightened at the world…and pretending to be ‘legion’, safety in numbers and all that!

    Unless there is a truly evil coven of them, not impossible seeing as xians are generally not the brightest nor the most balanced of critters but even then it is doubtful that they would all be gung-ho for the ‘remedy’.

    In any such evil ‘coven’ of women it is more then likely that at least one, possibly more, have had personal,familial or peer experience of just what this disease actually does!

    Xian victims are not blessed with over empathy for sure, but women are generally better at it then men.

    But one twisted mama pouting alone and possibly frighted at a world she does not understand would have no such natural brake on their wish fulfillment from other more ‘enlightened’ members in the circle.

    Seems this is just a ‘legion’ of one very sad and very frightened lady…lashing out at what she thinks, or has been told, is the enemy to what is considered the norm amongst her community.

  32. 32
    peterh

    The most heinous and loathsome entry (to date) in the sorry pit of hate that is the religious right.

  33. 33
    Longjocks

    I remember reading of JC healing the sick and raising the dead, but I must have skimmed over the part that told of him dishing out breast cancer.

    As an extension to that, isn’t it absurd to pray to Jesus to have him do something that goes against what is supposed to be his character?

  34. 34
    Randomfactor

    Do prayers count if they’re misspelled?

    In this case, yes.

    Prayers are like computer programs. If you misspell a command, the prayer won’t compile. But if you specify incorrect names from a database, the program will diligently try to find those incorrect names.

    Given the proportion of god-botherers in the US, it seems likely the prayer group just gave breast cancer to a bunch of Christian women. Their god’s kinda stupid that way.

  35. 35
    busterggi

    Can anyone explain to me the difference between prayers for evil and black magic? The goals are the same and so is the theorectical deity who would answer them (the bible clearly shows Satan is Yawhew’s errand boy).

  36. 36
    a miasma of incandescent plasma

    Ooh! A chance for an experiment! I’m glad someone’s finally testing if prayer really works. I’ll wait for the results…

    Wonder what’ll happen…

    I haven’t been this unsure of an ending since I went to see “Titanic”.

    So exciting…

  37. 37
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    Pretty much think this is one of the times when posting their email address would be justified.

  38. 38
    jmckaskle

    Not hemorrhoids, boils, plagues of locust, lives of the first born sons, famine, rivers of blood? They went with breast cancer? Swift, incurable breast cancer?

  39. 39
    joed

    really nothing amusing or funny about the frame of mind it would take to create this Prayer.
    at best it sounds as though desperation has set-in at this “women’s prayer group”.
    Could be a poe but is still quit believable coming from a christian group.
    If there was some way to get the “prayer” into criminal or civil court would be interesting to see the outcome. Provided the court was reasonable. so many judges these days are part of a prayer group too!

  40. 40
    Pinky

    To paraphrase Aquaria an FTB commenter from Texas who some say has a little “snap in her garters”:

    “Christians; you’ll know them by their love.”

  41. 41
    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    Ophelia:

    I don’t find this at all amusing. It disgusts me.

    Agreed. Exceptionally so. And I thought I was pretty jaded on the subject by now.

    Hiro:

    Question to former christians. Do any of you actually know someone this hateful?

    You sound sheltered.

  42. 42
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    Didn’t anyone ever tell them that whatever you wish on someone comes back on you threefold?

  43. 43
    leonpeyre

    Perhaps they should pray for better grammar. I count ten errors in one paragraph.

  44. 44
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    I suspect that they chose breast cancer because Uppity Women should be attacked in their ladybits and they couldn’t spell “cervical.”

  45. 45
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    I seem to remember a court case, probably from Texas, where the preacher prayed for the pub to burn down and it did, so the pub owners sued the church, resulting in pleadings by the church that prayer was ineffective and by the pub owners that it worked!

    This would qualify as religious hate speech, of course.

    A prayer *is* a spell.

  46. 46
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    Ah! The pub story is a fable.

  47. 47
    carlie

    Death threat, and if you want, also conspiracy to hire a hit man to kill specific people (the hit man being god). They need to be arrested and tried for it. Oh, they didn’t do anything? They only prayed? Would they be willing to admit that prayer doesn’t do anything in court? I wonder.

  48. 48
    Illuminata, Genie in the Beer Bottle

    I don’t find this at all amusing. It disgusts me.

    Agreed that it is disgusting. I’ll add inhumane and callous as well.

    But, it is a little funny that a group of adult women think that talking to themselves will convince their imaginary friend to kill innocent people for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Add to that their claim that they are 100% effective in making things happen when talking to themselves. AND the fact that they are to chickenshit to let it be know who they are. They’re cowards who talk to themselves and actually believe that will hurt innocent strangers. That’s a little funny. In a tragic, black comedy sort of way.

    I wonder if there’s a time limit on this “Kill them for me, Jebus!” prayer. I mean, if in 50 years someone does actually have cancer, do these despicable chunks of rotten distended rectum claim victory?

  49. 49
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    Taking a leaf from the notebook of Kev from Wipeout Homophobia on Facebook:

    “Thank you for your interest in our work and your amusing rant. I believe that there are more than enough crazy people in the world. It always amazes me that people who wouldn’t have been allowed crayons 10 years ago now have access to the internet. By the way, what is your favorite color crayon? Mine is blue, they taste best.”

  50. 50
    tomschott

    @hiro #25 – I really hope this is a Poe, however, to answer your question: Yes, i’ve known a few bible-humpers this crazy. The short story: a church deacon “performed” an imprecatory prayer in my mother’s living room, praying against my two sisters who were standing there. This happened in 2006, in Mississippi.

  51. 51
    evilDoug

    I would really like to see this go viral.
    I want to know how all the accommodationists, all the “moderate” christians, all the paid mouths in the yappage trades would respond.
    It certainly rates as a high floater in the scum on the pond of shit from christians.

  52. 52
    phillipreed

    Email, huh? Do you know how to extract the headers from the email? Different email clients do it differently, but they all have access to the headers one way or another. Looking at the headers will give us a fairly good idea where the email came from.

  53. 53
    hiro

    @Ms. Daisy Cutter #41

    You are correct in that I’m probably sheltered. I was a christian my entire life and became an atheist only 2 years ago. It was all fairly mainstream but I never had anyone express something so disgusting as this in a prayer in my presence.

    I experienced lying, deceit and a host of other failures from other christians but never anything as hate filled as praying for breast cancer or even anything close to that. My eyes are opened everyday which is why I hang out here at FTB. It may have been easier for me to believe this was a setup rather than someone who called themselves a christian.

    @Tomschott #50
    Thanks for sharing the personal experience. Sad.

  54. 54
    cyberCMDR

    I’d call them a coven, but that designation would probably be an insult to all the practitioners of Wicca out there. This behavior is indistinguishable from the Christian stereotype of witchcraft. Maybe they should use little cross shaped pins to stick into some dolls….

  55. 55
    IncredulousMark

    I really think the email address should be published so we can each do at least a modicum of research to check its veracity. I’m fairly certain this is a Poe designed to rile us up.

  56. 56
    Ichthyic

    you hung up on us and were rude to our leader.

    Right Wing Authoritarianism FTW!

  57. 57
    beautdogs

    Anyone who thinks that this is a poe needs to watch the documentary “In God We Trust.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucVDpmFz-E

    I guarantee it will blow your mind. These people do exist, yes indeed. And if you’d rather watch it on your TV while clutching your pillow or S.O. on the sofa, you can order a high-definition DVD cheaply here:

    http://trianglefreethoughtsociety.com/drupal/content/dvd-order-form

    It also makes a great gift–for your freethinking friends, or as a wake-up call for your believer friends.

    (New documentary about Reason Rally and Rock Beyond Belief coming soon from this brilliant filmmaker, Scott Burdick–with Mikey among the stars on the film.)

    All proceeds go to good causes for freethinkers.

  58. 58
    Deuteronomy

    Truly insane shit.

  59. 59
    ruthterrill

    these people are not Christian. Christian’s do not pray for the deaths and illness of other’s. Shame on you. Remember “Love thy neighbor as thyself”? This makes me sick. You need to pray for salvation you sick people! God is LOVE and not hate.

  60. 60
    Tony

    Not to be totally off-topic in this thread, but just saw this video that I wanted to share. It’s great to see a tax-paying veteran standing up to loudmouth preachers complaining about their rights in America being oppressed.

    http://youtu.be/zhlvdPCalXM

    Tony

  61. 61
    joshnankivel

    These groups need to be publicly ridiculed. Why not tell us who they are so we can share their contact information with the media?

    Religious extremism and threats get buried, and we let it happen. Things like this need to go mainstream so people understand why atheists can appear to be angry sometimes.

    We need believers who are good neighbors to also help us shun these nutbags and others like them. You can say whatever you want, but when it’s ridiculous and evil we need to make sure everyone knows this kind of thing happens.

  62. 62
    Amateur

    Chris, will you please publish the email header that came with this email message?

    For readers unfamiliar with what I mean, the email header usually is not displayed with the message; most email applications (Thunderbird, Outlook, etc; even web apps like GMail, Hotmail) will give you an option to show this information. It looks a bit like this:

    Return-Path:
    X-SpamCatcher-Score: 1 [X]
    Received: from [127.0.0.1] (HELO email-server.com)
    by bigkahuna.email-server.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8)
    with ESMTP-TLS id 61258719 for [email protected]; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:30:15 -1500
    Message-ID:
    Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:30:15 -1500
    From: Taylor Evans
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
    X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    To: Jon Smith
    Subject: The Usual Ridiculous Message About Jesus
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

    As you can see, the head tells you a lot about when the message was sent. One can see what email server was used and, most importantly, the user name, the email application, and (possibly) the IP address of the sender.

  63. 63
    Chris Rodda

    @ Alexander Safir

    MRFF has people who track down where emails come from, and we turn the really threatening ones over to them. I’m actually off from MRFF this week (working on my response to David Barton’s new book), but I’ll call Mikey and ask if we’re tracking down where this one came from. We always do it with outright threats, but I don’t know if this one rises to that level where we get someone to track down the source. I will ask, though.

  64. 64
    d cwilson

    My mother is a breast cancer survivor (cancer free for almost 40 years now).

    I’d like to give a heartfelt “Fuck you!” to these “ladies”. it takes series hate to wish that on anyone, even if it really has no chance of being fulfilled.

    Chris: If MRFF does track them done, please tell them “Fuck you!” from me.

  65. 65
    adamgill

    sounds like the letters my mom used to write in the eighties. she broke free of the cult of christianity and is now living happily. i wish only the same for these sad angry people.

  66. 66
    patricksimons

    Can you imagine how these fine folk would spread that “christian love” around if they could?

  67. 67
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    Ruth Terrill @59. There is no shortage of Christians like these. Instead of denying that they are examples of believers in your religion, why don’t you go after some of them and rebuke them for their hatred and bigotry. Playing “No true Scotsman” does nothing to improve public discourse.

    Everyone, I believe this applies both to Schadenfreude and cursing with magic as these wackaloons are doing:

    “Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.” (Proverbs 24:17–18)

    I found this on The Endless Thread from John Morales.

  68. 68
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    Chris, please find out who they are and identify them for us. The fact that they are trying to hide indicates that they know their hatred is a disgrace to them. They deserve all the publicity that we can bring to bear. Also, without an identified source, this is just one more bit of hearsay that religion makes people self-righteous and hateful. Known perpetrators will make it harder to dismiss.

    “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” — although I understand that someone read “poisoner” and redacted it into “witch.”

  69. 69
    labrat9

    Awesome! I’m changing the name of my band to “Wicked Mickey”. Thanks insane Xians!

  70. 70
    godlesspanther

    I can only speculate, but if I were to bet, I would put my money on — real, not Poe.

    The reason I say this is the poor spelling and grammar does not appear to be intentional — it looks habitual, this does not look like someone who is playing dumb — it looks like someone who really is dumb, and the reference to the phone call — a Poe would not know about it.

    Real.

  71. 71
    calladus

    Mickey Wienstien needs to get Google Voice as his primary number. It allows you to engage recording of the phone call at any time. (It does it legally).

    Then, let them rattle on, and put the resulting audio online for download. Fun!

  72. 72
    ashleypatterson

    What!? That’s hatred!!! Not cool. Karma. Ppl are just blind, you should never wish ill on someone. A
    D they say it’s a Christian to be nice, wow your eating your own words!

  73. 73
    annaliesa

    Last I read the Bible, I wasn’t left with the impression that God was a hitman.

  74. 74
    Amateur

    @Chris Rodda

    Thanks for the reply. Sounds like you will be quite busy.

    Of course, you have to do what you think is right, judging the ‘menace’ level and whether it deserves escalated attention.

  75. 75
    Deuteronomy

    @ 73 You should read it again… The fucking god of the bible is a jealous homicidal maniac…

  76. 76
    marella

    Godlesspanther @39 sounds like they know whereof they speak. A lone desperate and miserable loonie, for whom conversion to Christianity has clearly failed to provide the happiness promised.

  77. 77
    Raging Bee

    @hiro #25 – I really hope this is a Poe, however, to answer your question: Yes, i’ve known a few bible-humpers this crazy…

    Christians talk a LOT about how God has ways of smiting just about everyone who offends his followers in any way. If someone they don’t like has a car accident, or even gets a bad case of the sniffles, there’s always some whiny little wanker popping up to say it was God reminding them who’s really the boss. And it’s not recent either: their earliest hagiography is full of cautionary tales about saints who were blessed with good fortune and pagans who were cursed with sickness, poverty, weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, and never being invited to parties anymore.

    So yeah, this recent disgrace is not that far outside the mainstream of Christian belief.

  78. 78
    Raging Bee

    And why are these women praying for women on the “enemy” side to get breast cancer, but not for the men on that side to get testicular cancer or the like? Are they so poisoned by a phallocratic mindset that even men on the enemy side get more deference than women? These women’s exclusive hatred for other women only adds another layer of sickness onto this whole stinking enterprise.

  79. 79
    iain

    After I shared this and a friend pointed out that there’s no source, and it could be a single individual (or a troll) I realize that he’s correct, as other commenters have noted.

    I don’t personally need to have the group outed, but I’d definitely like to see some rationale for believing that this is a real group, and not someone sending anonymous hate mail to get skeptics riled up.

  80. 80
    thezombiemessia

    “Jesus loves you so much, he wants you to get incurable breast cancer you wicked, sinful and perverted little fuck of an Atheist.”

  81. 81
    cindy

    This is not prayer. It’s not even really imprecatory prayer.

    This is divination. It is forcing your will and using God to do it for you. That’s not what the Christian faith calls for. It says to bless one’s enemies and to do good to those despitefully use you, if that’s even what is really going on.

    When people do evil, it is one thing to pray that they will be able to learn from the consequences of their actions. If someone steals a car, they should have to return it and pay their debt to society, and hopefully those consequences will change the way that person behaves. It is fine to pray for justice. I think that Mikey Weinstein wouldn’t take too much issue with that principle. He worked to see that those who misused liberty face the consequences of their actions.

    But to pray for physical harm to come to people? That’s what divination involves.

  82. 82
    Raging Bee

    …but I’d definitely like to see some rationale for believing that this is a real group, and not someone sending anonymous hate mail to get skeptics riled up.

    In this age of right-wing sock-puppets and front groups (many of which exist for the sole purpose of planting lies in the public discourse to get people riled up, without anyone having to answer for the lies), perhaps you should define what you mean by “real group.” Is the Catholic League a “real group?”

  83. 83
    Rutee Katreya

    these people are not Christian. Christian’s do not pray for the deaths and illness of other’s

    *Glances at the OP*
    No, no, that would appear to be incorrect, there are indeed Christians that do those things.

  84. 84
    Mike Morrison

    As a Catholic, I have never heard of the term “imprecatory prayer” before. In the context of the above comments, I can only assume it means a prayer that is meant to harm someone. As a Catholic, this would be considered “witchcraft,” and goes against everything Jesus.

    The only sort of “offensive prayer” that one is to make against another being, is called an “exorcism,” and is only practiced against demons. Not humans……

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